Russia and Georgia are 'at war'

darkman2

On the news now........Russia seems to be flexing some muscles.

DarkJager

Ghost Recon anyone??

Dragan

Hardly a fair fight.

Georgia have been trying to get into NATO for ages too.

IvaBigWun

Id like to be the first to say that I love both countries deeply and equally.

KTRIC

Could we just send Snake in to sort it out ?

Wazdakka

Linky?

thelordofcheese

darkman2 wrote: »

On the news now........Russia seems to be flexing some muscles.

No they aren't, they're just posturing.

Conor108

We'll send in a single Guard. War will be over in approx 30 minutes

thelordofcheese

Wazdakka wrote: »

Linky?

BBC

KnifeWRENCH

The Georgian president has an EU flag in his office. That's a bit strange I think he likes to pretend his country is in it.

Balls - Georgia are in our WCQ group

The US have an alliance with Georgia with bases in the country.
Russia back the rebels.
Nothing like a good old fashioned cold war-esque proxy war

ps Georgia has ALOT of energy resources with a multi billion dollar gas oil pipeline thing

R0ot

KTRIC wrote: »

Could we just send Snake in to sort it out ?

No because he would spend 3/4 of the time in cut scenes that divulge no more of the plot than a dog playing pictionary divulges the actual thing its attempting to draw with its lack of opposable thumbs. [/rant about MGS] :pac:

edit: forgot my generic "I for one welcome our new communist overlords" bit

The Master

Deleted User wrote: »

The US have an alliance with Georgia with bases in the country.
Russia back the rebels.
Nothing like a good old fashioned cold war-esque proxy war

ps Georgia has ALOT of energy resources with a multi billion dollar gas oil pipeline thing

Are you suggesting America would go to war to protect overseas oil interests?
Pfft , not very likley now is it?

IronMan

Cool, I really enjoy a good war, it really gives the 24 hour news channels a chance to shine.

portomar

remember wen i was workin in a pub during iraq invasion, and one of the regulars comes in "stick on the war there will ya" felt sick

qwertplaywert

May I be the first to say, I welcome our new Russian overlords.

Heil Zsar Putin.

connundrum

Deleted User wrote: »

Balls - Georgia are in our WCQ group

Game will probably be played in Iraq, or some other neutral venue.

Oh and I presume this will be the shortest war evaz?

connundrum

connundrum wrote: »

Game will probably be played in Iraq, or some other neutral venue.

Oh and I presume this will be the shortest war evaz?

LOL @ Iraq

Well, the US has backed Georgia in the past so it really is a dodgey situation. Not to mention China will be pissed for them taking their olympic thunder !

genericgoon

Well technically its just over the South Ossetia region which for all intents and purposes is practically independent already. There was a similar situation in Abkhazia aswell if I remember correctly.

Jack Sheehan

I love the final line in the story:
China, where the Olympic Games opens on Friday, called for worldwide truce during the sporting event.

So it's fine when the games finish then is it?

Also am I the only one who thinks the georgian president looks like Alan Partridge?

Heisenberg.

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Agamemnon

IronMan wrote: »

Cool, I really enjoy a good war, it really gives the 24 hour news channels a chance to shine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVESMxs4rbA

faceman

I wonder if the tanks were told to go there or went for the craic. You never know with the Russian army!

humanji

All hell is going to break loose when Bungle and Zippy find out.

thelordofcheese

faceman wrote: »

I wonder if the tanks were told to go there or went for the craic. You never know with the Russian army!

I like to think that Russia and China have a competition going to see who can do the most ridiculous shit and get away with it.

China: Get to host the olympics dispite a hideous human rights record and stomping on a bunch of tibetan monks.
Russia: Take an armoured divison, a few hundred soilders and as many jets as they can into a neighbouring country and taunt them. Also kick the everlovin' snot out of chechnya when they are bored.

keane2097

R0ot wrote: »

No because he would spend 3/4 of the time in cut scenes that divulge no more of the plot than a dog playing pictionary divulges the actual thing its attempting to draw with its lack of opposable thumbs. [/rant about MGS] :pac:

edit: forgot my generic "I for one welcome our new communist overlords" bit

QFHilarity.

Well done sir.

Come on the Georgians!

dlofnep

genericgoon wrote: »

Well technically its just over the South Ossetia region which for all intents and purposes is practically independent already. There was a similar situation in Abkhazia aswell if I remember correctly.

What's the deal behind it? Was it / Is it apart of Georgia's territory? I'm not going to ask who's right and who's right here, as there are always two sides to the every story. I really don't know much about the situation, other than it's a fragile topic between George & Russia.

Any further info?

keane2097

dlofnep wrote: »

it's a fragile topic between George & Russia.

Good old George, always thumbing his nose at the Ruskis.

dlofnep

Indeed.

genericgoon

dlofnep wrote: »

What's the deal behind it? Was it / Is it apart of Georgia's territory? I'm not going to ask who's right and who's right here, as there are always two sides to the every story. I really don't know much about the situation, other than it's a fragile topic between George & Russia.

Any further info?

Well after the dissolution of the USSR, the region gained a de facto independence in a war during 1991/1992. However, this isn't recoignised by the UN. The South Ossetians consider themselves Russian, not Georgian and want to rejoin Russia. However as has been stated they have important pipelines in their region so Georgia isn't going to let that happen. Anyways, Georgia has recently launched an offensive against both South Ossetia and Abskhabia(sp?) which has pissed off the Russians whom see these as strategic allies in terms of control of the pipelines and as pawns to keep the Georgians under the kosh. The current Georgian President is very pro-west and is seeking both to join NATO and the EU, however the Russians don't want this as they'd like to keep these countries as weak and dependent as possible and keep them as allies for the Russians against the EU and America.

Basically the EU isn't going to let a country in when it contains two rebel regions within its borders but the Russians aren't going to let 2 politically expedient regions leave its sphere of influence, not to mention the Russian public would probably consider these people as their fellow countrymen and aren't going to allow them to ethnically cleansed which some reports suggest the Georgians are doing.

dlofnep

I see, thanks.

Dyr

This wouldnt have happened on ronnie reagans watch, no sirree. He had the measure of them russians

darkman2

Georgia 'under attack' as Russian tanks roll in




TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia's president said Friday that his country is under attack by Russian tanks and warplanes, and he accused Russia of targeting civilians as tensions over the breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia appeared to boil over into full-blown conflict.


Russia's Channel 1 shows heavy tanks purported to be on their way to South Ossetia.

1 of 2 "All day today, they've been bombing Georgia from numerous warplanes and specifically targeting (the) civilian population, and we have scores of wounded and dead among (the) civilian population all around the country," President Mikhail Saakashvili told CNN in an exclusive interview.

"This is the worst nightmare one can encounter," he said.

Asked whether Georgia and Russia were now at war, he said, "My country is in self-defense against Russian aggression. Russian troops invaded Georgia."

About 150 Russian armored vehicles have entered South Ossetia, Saakashvili said, and Georgian forces had shot down two Russian aircraft.

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov meanwhile said Moscow had received reports that villages in South Ossetia were being ethnically cleansed, according to Reuters.com.

"We are receiving reports that a police of ethnic cleansing was being conducted in villages in South Ossetia, the number of refugees is climbing, the panic is growing, people are trying to save their lives," he was reported saying.

South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia in the early 1990s, but it was not internationally recognized. Many ethnic Ossetians feel close to Russia and have Russian passports and use its currency. iReport.com: Are you there, share your photos, videos

Russia's Defense Ministry said it sent "reinforcements" to South Ossetia to help the Russian peacekeepers already stationed there. Watch the Russian tanks moving into the area »

The events followed an emergency session of the U.N. Security Council to discuss a dramatic escalation of violence in Georgia and South Ossetia. The session ended Friday morning without a statement about the fighting.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) said it was sending an envoy to the region immediately.

NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer issued a statement Friday saying he was seriously concerned about the recent events in the region, and he called on all sides to end armed clashes and begin direct talks. Watch more about NATO's attempts to help Georgia »

Carmen Romero, a NATO spokeswoman speaking to CNN from Brussels, reiterated Scheffer's statement. She said NATO was in regular contact with Georgia's president and was talking to the Russian side.

Britain and the United States also urged all sides to bring an immediate end to the violence.

"The U.S. has been in discussions for many months with all parties to find a peaceful resolution," said White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe. "We urge all sides to refrain from violence and to begin direct talks."

Earlier Friday, Russian military aircraft dropped two bombs on Georgian territory, a Georgian official said, causing no casualties.

In a letter addressed to his "fellow citizens" Friday, Saakashvili said he had mobilized tens of thousands of reserve officers and that the mobilization continued.


Georgia declared a unilateral three-hour ceasefire at 3 p.m. to enable civilians to escape from the conflict zone, which so far was focused inside South Ossetia but included aerial targets inside Georgia, Saakashvili said.

"Clearly they don't really have boundaries in their activities," said Georgian Foreign Minister Eka Tkeshelashvili, in an interview with CNN. She said Russian aircraft had bombed "several villages" in Georgia outside of the South Ossetian territory.

Tkeshelashvili said Georgian authorities are still collecting information on casualties.

Georgia was appealing to the world for diplomatic intervention, she said, stressing that Georgia was not asking for military assistance.

Violence has been mounting in the region in recent days, with sporadic clashes between Georgian forces and South Ossetian separatists. Georgian troops launched new attacks in South Ossetia late Thursday after a top government official said a unilateral cease-fire offer was met with separatist artillery fire.

Alexander Lomaia, the secretary of Georgia's National Security Council, said Georgian troops were responding proportionately to separatist mortar and artillery attacks on two villages -- attacks he said followed the cease-fire and call for negotiations by Saakashvili.

Russia said a Georgian attack on a military barracks left a number of Russian peacekeepers dead.

"It's all very sad and alarming," Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said earlier in the day. "And, of course, there will be a response."

Putin was at a meeting with U.S. President Bush in Beijing, where they attended a luncheon for world leaders hosted by the Chinese president ahead of the Olympics, which begin Friday.

"There are lots of volunteers being gathered in the region, and it's very hard to withhold them from taking part. A real war is going on," Putin said, according to his spokesman, Dmitry Peskov.

Russian peacekeepers are in South Ossetia under a 1992 agreement by Russian, Georgian, and South Ossetian authorities to maintain what has been a fragile peace. The mixed peacekeeping force also includes Georgian and South Ossetian troops.

"The Georgian leadership has launched a dirty adventure," said a statement from Russia's Defense Ministry on Friday. "We will not leave our peacekeepers and Russian citizens unprotected."

Saakashvili said the Russian invasion of South Ossetia was pre-planned.


"These troops that are in Georgia now -- they didn't come unexpectedly," the president told CNN. "They had been amassing at the border for the last few months. They claimed they were staging exercises there and as soon as a suitable pretext was found, they moved in."

Georgia, located on the Black Sea coast between Russia and Turkey, has been split by Russian-backed separatist movements in South Ossetia and another region, Abkhazia.

Georgia is suppose to be an ally of NATO and the United States. This is actually quite a serious situation. What does NATO do? If it does nothing it is abandoning a clear ally. If it does something the Russians will be pissed.


"The Georgian leadership has launched a dirty adventure," said a statement from Russia's Defense Ministry on Friday.....interestingly vague excuse:pac:

4Xcut

Jack Sheehan wrote: »

I love the final line in the story:
China, where the Olympic Games opens on Friday, called for worldwide truce during the sporting event.

So it's fine when the games finish then is it?

Also am I the only one who thinks the georgian president looks like Alan Partridge?

He does actually look quite like him.

Is paddy power givin odds on anythin' yet?

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Is this going to be aproper all-out war, or is going to be like that sham in Iraq?

And what's all this bullshít about NATO stepping in? wtf.

Just let both of them at it, better country wins, like in the old days.

NATO my arse.

genericgoon

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I like to think that Russia and China have a competition going to see who can do the most ridiculous shit and get away with it.

China: Get to host the olympics dispite a hideous human rights record and stomping on a bunch of tibetan monks.
Russia: Take an armoured divison, a few hundred soilders and as many jets as they can into a neighbouring country and taunt them. Also kick the everlovin' snot out of chechnya when they are bored.

Might as well throw the Americans in there with invading countries for made up reasons and holding people for years without trial and then subjecting them to show trials and executing other countries citizens without consular advice.

darkman2

and Georgian forces had shot down two Russian aircraft

Is it wrong to laugh?........their almost as good as the Irish defence forces:pac:.....almost.

genericgoon

Des wrote: »

Is this going to be aproper all-out war, or is going to be like that sham in Iraq?

And what's all this bullshít about NATO stepping in? wtf.

Just let both of them at it, better country wins, like in the old days.

NATO my arse.

You do realize its Georgia (population 4.6 million) vs Russia + South Ossetians(141.3 million pop.) Thats ignoring the fact Russia is a major world and nuclear power

_blank_

genericgoon wrote: »

You do realize its Georgia (population 4.6 million) vs Russia + South Ossetians(141.3 million pop.) Thats ignoring the fact Russia is a major world and nuclear power

Well then, Georgia should have stfu, shouldn't they.

genericgoon

genericgoon wrote: »

You do realize its Georgia (population 4.6 million) vs Russia + South Ossetians(141.3 million pop.) Thats ignoring the fact Russia is a major world and nuclear power

Indeed, it'll be messy.

the_syco

Deleted User wrote: »

Georgia have been trying to get into NATO for ages too.

I'd say let them in, just so the USA can piss off the Russians and base a few nuclear warheads there (ala, Cube).

Pride Fighter

If a tiny Finnish army could destroy so many Russians in WW2 I am sure the Georgians could give the Russians a good fight. I hope Georgia wins and get to the gates of Moscow by Christmas.

CountingCrows

I'd say Peter Snow creamed his togs when he got wind of this

the_syco

the_syco wrote: »

I'd say let them in, just so the USA can piss off the Russians and base a few nuclear warheads there (ala, Cube).

Yeah but then it would be sweaty bum cheek time again. We don't want that lad. Lets let the vodka guzzlers go in there and have a party. Sure it means we'll probably get three points off Georgia easier at a neutral venue for the WCQs .

patmac

4Xcut wrote: »

Is paddy power givin odds on anythin' yet?

Russia 1/50 Georgia 33/1.

When working as a manager in Ladbrokes during Gulf War 1 I was handed a betting slip in which the rather inebriated punter wanted odds on: 'George Bush(senior) and Saddam Hussain to be assignated(his spelling)'. He wasn't best pleased when I informed him that the bet was in bad taste and no odds were on offer!

darkman2

patmac wrote: »

Georgia 33/1.

lol that would be funny stuff - not bad odds tbh!

patmac

patmac wrote: »

Russia 1/50 Georgia 33/1.

When working as a manager in Ladbrokes during Gulf War 1 I was handed a betting slip in which the rather inebriated punter wanted odds on: 'George Bush(senior) and Saddam Hussain to be assignated(his spelling)'. He wasn't best pleased when I informed him that the bet was in bad taste and no odds were on offer!

Odds would be much different mate. Odds on a stalemate would be favourite.

missingtime

Imagine some guy in Georgia, looking at the clock in his office.
"Ahh the weekend.About ti....are those ****ing tanks!"

thelordofcheese

genericgoon wrote: »

Might as well throw the Americans in there with invading countries for made up reasons and holding people for years without trial and then subjecting them to show trials and executing other countries citizens without consular advice.

I considered Isreal and America might be in on the game as well, but their brand of cocksure fuckwittery is a different beast alltogether.

I firmly believe that china and russia are playing a game only they know the rules of, the others are just cocks.