Taylor rules again!

walshb

With all this Olympic talk we seem to be forgetting
about our most successful athlete ever

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2008/0807/taylork.html

MBC

Yep well done Katie.........good to see other irish girls competing aswell. Debbie Rogers and Kelly Harrington.

theone

if she stays amateur we should get a gold in 2012 fingers crossed on women's boxing being let in.

Big Ears

She did only win 1 fight to get to the final but I don't want to play down the achievements of our best amateur boxer, who is quite possibly the best female boxer in the World.

This will be her first time winning the EU's, she lost to eventual winner Gulsum Tatar in the quarter-finals in 2006 and didn't enter in 2007 which Tatar won again.

So hopefully it's soon to be 2006 World Champion, 2005,2006,2007 European Champion, 2008 EU Champion and 2012 Olympic Gold medal winner. Of course with more European and World wins along the way.

walshb

Well then, I don't see why you needed to mention it. She has been the worlds best boxer for two years solid now. An amazing talent and a ferocious puncher. What does it matter that she only had one bout en route to the
final? I know of Irish Senior winners who didn't even fight in the year they won their titles. Katie IMO is a sensation!

joepenguin

What an athlete. Lets hope womens boxing is included in 2012

buck65

hear hear
class act RTE should be covering this live
about time women's sports were respected.

nacho libre

She is an incredible athlete - we don't get to say that very often about an Irish athlete. I hope she does get to compete at an Olympics before she is past her peak.

Dodge

buck65 wrote: »

hear hear
class act RTE should be covering this live
about time women's sports were respected.

In fairness they don't cover the mens world championships, nver mind European Championship or the even lower ranked EU Championships, so its not a gender thing.

All signs point to Womens Boxing being included in LOndon BTW.

Hero Of College

nacho libre wrote: »

She is an incredible athlete - we don't get to say that very often about an Irish athlete. I hope she does get to compete at an Olympics before she is past her peak.

I have never summoned the courage to ask her dad.........would he prefer she were born a boy.....:eek:

efb

She kept my boxing news when Al Morris showed her her article on winning world Gold. Didn't want to ask for it back...:P I think she thought I was giving her the magazine, lovely girl.

walshb

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2008/0809/taylor.html

Another title for Katie, simply awesome!

cowzerp

Fair play to her, she's great for irish boxing...

Big Ears

Excellant stuff, it seems all our top amateurs are in fine form at the moment.
An 11-0 win is very impressive and picking up the boxer of the tournament award means she must have been fighting well.

walshb

Our men are in fine form at the moment, but Taylor has been in absolute awesome form for the past 3 years!!!

nacho libre

An awesome performance to win 11-0. Fair play to her for all her achievements to date.

Hero Of College

I think its a real pity that womens boxing will always have the same significance as womens soccer. In other words, none.

Dodge

Hero Of College wrote: »

I think its a real pity that womens boxing will always have the same significance as womens soccer. In other words, none.

Or just women in general then :rolleyes:

Hero Of College

Dodge wrote: »

Or just women in general then :rolleyes:

Well, in Sport, the physical expression of the mental aspect is what we are dealing with.

Women are simply less capable of generating the physical end product. They are slower, less powerful creatures than their male equivalents.

Thus, Cotto and Margarito will always sell out venues, and Katy Taylor will be a lesser attraction.

Plain and Simple.

After all, do you pay money to Setanta to watch Cotto and the Premiership, or to see Live Womens Boxing from Germany followed by the Arsenal Ladies.???

Dodge

So you equate sgnificance in terms of Setanta Sports schedules? Is Sonia O'Sullivan's silver medal less significant than John Treacy's?

HollowMan

Excellent comeback Dodge!

megadodge

Congrats Katie, yet again.
Fantastic boxer and that's taking no gender into account.
I know she spars with the Joyces in Athy regularly, which shows how good she is.

However, on the topic of women's sport, I can't believe it, but I'm agreeing with Hero here. Women's sport doesn't get the coverage simply because they're not as good as their male equivalents !!

If a women is 'world champion' it means she's the best of half the world.
If a man is 'world champion' it means he's the best in the entire world.

There is no anti-woman sentiment in what I'm saying, they're just the facts.

Hero Of College

Dodge wrote: »

So you equate sgnificance in terms of Setanta Sports schedules? Is Sonia O'Sullivan's silver medal less significant than John Treacy's?

No...I equate Setanta Sports schedules in terms of Public Demand. Setanta shows it cos the Public wants it- its why they have Steve Bunce on for 1 hour per week and show 2 Premiership games in the same time frame.

Soccer is more popular than Boxing. It attracts a higher percentage of the Public.

Take for example Sky Sports recent advertising campaign- they are selling their product off the back of 6 sports- boxing not included.

Its the same with womens sports. Setanta and Sky make a hullabaloo about showing sports which are male-dominated.

The bottom line is that, political correctness aside, the worlds doesn't give a flying fukc about womens boxing or womens football. They want to see the best Male stars.

Of course, there will always be time for womens sports, it has a place, naturally. But when push comes to shove, it is the best male stars that make the headlines.

Hero Of College

megadodge wrote: »

Congrats Katie, yet again.
Fantastic boxer and that's taking no gender into account.
I know she spars with the Joyces in Athy regularly, which shows how good she is.

However, on the topic of women's sport, I can't believe it, but I'm agreeing with Hero here. Women's sport doesn't get the coverage simply because they're not as good as their male equivalents !!

If a women is 'world champion' it means she's the best of half the world.
If a man is 'world champion' it means he's the best in the entire world.

There is no anti-woman sentiment in what I'm saying, they're just the facts .

Thats basically what it comes down to. And why wouldn't you agree- I always tell the truth.

Why is Womens Football called "WOMENS Football" and not just "FOOTBALL".

Why is the "WOMENS WORLD CUP" called just that??

Was Germany 2006 called "THE MENS WORLD CUP"??

No...it was just "THE WORLD CUP".

The very use of the word "WOMAN" automatically highlights the product in question as being slower, worse, not as good, not as technically proficient, lower, slower, lesser....take your pick of words.

The best female tennis player will hit her serves slower and will always lose to a male counterpart.

The best female high jumper will jump less distance than her best male counterpart.

The best female fighter will always be pounded into a gooey mash by her best male counterpart. Its why when women "fight" men, the woman is usually in tip-top shape and the male is a 5' oriental dwarf with the reach of a t-rex and the heart-rate of a hyperactive mouse.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/1999/1009/106430.html
Margaret McGregor won every round on every card of her four-round, history-making bout Saturday night against Loi Chow, a jockey who showed virtually no boxing skills.
McGregor, a 36-year-old hometown favorite from Bremerton, Wash., towered over Chow and threw combinations that racked up points, even if they didn't seem to do any damage.
All three judges scored the bout 40-36 in McGregor's favor.
McGregor, in a red top and gold trunks, landed a right to the head in the first two-minute round, then a four-punch combination. Chow responded by bouncing away. He kept bouncing all over the ring, smiling and doing not much else.
Chow, 0-3, hardly posed a worthy opponent. The 33-year-old from Vancouver threw punches awkwardly, covered up most of the fight, and landed only a few punches. Listed as 5-foot-2, he seemed a head shorter than the 5-4 McGregor.
McGregor, 4-0, threw punches like a trained fighter, even if she never came close to hurting Chow. She was the busier fighter throughout the bout, and never looked intimidated by Chow or the occasion. As the fourth round came to a close, the crowd chanted, "Margaret, Margaret," and she responded with a combination to the body.
"It was like my dream was coming true right before my eyes," McGregor said of those chants. "This is the biggest day of my life."
The crowd of 2,768 roared with delight at the decision in her favor, but booed Chow for his defensive, lackluster effort.
"I fought my best tonight," McGregor said. "All I want to do is keep getting better and better. I don't care who it is, I'll fight anybody."
Chow's blood pressure was high an hour before the fight card started, and the doctor told him to rest a while before taking it again to make sure he was OK. Chow passed the test the second time.
Chow blamed his loss on his high blood pressure, saying that his blood pressure actually peaked at 185 over 115 before he took some medication to bring it down.
"I didn't feel right," Chow said. "I don't think I got whipped. I hit her with a couple of good shots."
Asked what, if anything, the bout proved, Chow responded with a smile and a bit of bravado: "It proves a woman cannot hurt a man."
Asked the same question, McGregor said: "Just that I'm a winner."
A lot of fans, though, attached more significance to the fight.
"I think it's breaking a lot of barriers. I feel like I'm taking part in this big event in history," said Rosemarie Moore, 18, Seattle, attending her first fight.
"Women are saying, `Hey, we're just as good as you.' We've come a long way."
Another fan disagreed.
"It's not a good thing for boxing," said Sherman Daniels, 47, from Renton, Wash. "With all the controversy, this might be the first and the last time a man and a woman fight.

Hero Of College

HollowMan wrote: »

Excellent comeback Dodge!

No...it wasn't. It was the sort of response one would expect from those crippled by the social dystrophy that is Political Correctness.

buck65

No, it was a good comeback, take your spanking.

Hero Of College

Dodge wrote: »

So you equate sgnificance in terms of Setanta Sports schedules? Is Sonia O'Sullivan's silver medal less significant than John Treacy's?

No, Treacy ran the Marathon, in 1984, I think, and O'Sullivan ran a much shorter race in 2000.

Treacys Silver in the Marathon was more significant than the Silver a WOMAN achieved in the same marathon the same year. Conversely, the male silver medalist in the same race O'Sullivan won her Silver in the Same year {2000} would have run a better time than O'Sullivan- and Szabo too.



As it happens, Women MIGHT be better "Super-Marathon" runners. Maybe that makes you feel better.

Hero Of College

buck65 wrote: »

No, it was a good comeback, take your spanking.

Dude- when I am nailed I know it. I, uh, Dodged the shot.

Now, if a MAN had thrown that shot....:pac::pac::pac:

T-K-O

IMO womens sport is simply not as good as mens.

Take nothing away from KT she is an outstanding boxer.

walshb

If you simply watch Taylor and take away the fact it's women boxing, I see a really brilliant and amazing talent. She seems to be that bit ahead of every woman and is almost approaching mens level. She is that good. I agree that mens sport always seems more enjoyable to watch, but physically, men are simply more adept at sporting activity, stronger, faster, fitter, more agile etc. It's nature!

Dodge

Hero Of College wrote: »

No...it wasn't. It was the sort of response one would expect from those crippled by the social dystrophy that is Political Correctness.

You couldn't be further from the truth. However continue to think what you like about me based on internet postings on Sport....

Hero Of College wrote: »

No, Treacy ran the Marathon, in 1984, I think, and O'Sullivan ran a much shorter race in 2000.

Treacys Silver in the Marathon was more significant than the Silver a WOMAN achieved in the same marathon the same year. Conversely, the male silver medalist in the same race O'Sullivan won her Silver in the Same year {2000} would have run a better time than O'Sullivan- and Szabo too.

Again, how does the distance/time etc ralte to the significance of it? It could be argued that O'Sullivan's was more significant as hers was the only medal ever won by an Irish woman in track & field.

By your popularity logic, the Silver medal won by Irish sailors in 1980 is less significant than the bronze won by Hugh Russell. Then again by your length of event logic, the sailor's was more significant.

nacho libre

I think Katie could give Bernard some trouble in the ring:)

buck65

She would beat his Ass
and David Haye's too

Hero Of College

nacho libre wrote: »

I think Katie could give Bernard some trouble in the ring:)

No...no....Bernard is an elite fighter.:D

Hero Of College

Dodge wrote: »

You couldn't be further from the truth. However continue to think what you like about me based on internet postings on Sport....

Listen ignoramus- Womens acheivements in sports are not as significant as mens. Period. Nobody cares what the "Arsenal Ladies" are up to. How do I know? Cos a benchwarmer at the Emirates earns more in 1 week than they do in a year, thats how I know. Cos a benchwarmer at the Emirates is a household name, and the ladies who play for Arsenal Ladies aren't even household names in their own households.

End of story.

Katie Taylor has never even fought at the Olympics.

You know why? Cos there is NO OLYMPIC BOXING FOR WOMEN {yet}

You know why?

Cos nobody cares. Its all about the best men from Central Asia, Cuba, Russia and America.

Womens Football is called Womens Football cos to call it "FOOTBALL" would be misleading.

Now go back to yer Arts faculty.

Dodge

Hero Of College wrote: »

Listen ignoramus

Right so. Usually this means either you can't argue my point, or you're simply a ****. Either way...

Nobody cares what the "Arsenal Ladies" are up to. How do I know?

Please point out where I said anythign about women's football

You know why? Cos there is NO OLYMPIC BOXING FOR WOMEN {yet}

You know why?

Cos nobody cares

So the fact its going to be in the next Olympics obviously means people care?

Any other rubbish points you want to make about significance?

walshb

Well, if there is any woman in the world to make people care, it is Katie Taylor, and I think if she holds form until 2012, she will be a real GOBAL star, woman or no woman!

Hero, lose the aggression in the posts. Let's tone it down and try debate with a little more civillty

buck65

Who are the biggest names in world athletics for the past few years on this side of the pond ? Kelly Holmes , Paula Radcliffe , Sonia o Sullivan where are all the men?
What about tennis Nadal and Federer are matched if not surpassed by the Williamses and Sharapova in recognition.

Hero Of College

buck65 wrote: »

Who are the biggest names in world athletics for the past few years on this side of the pond ? Kelly Holmes , Paula Radcliffe , Sonia o Sullivan where are all the men?
What about tennis Nadal and Federer are matched if not surpassed by the Williamses and Sharapova in recognition.

Could Serena or Penis Williams beat Federer in a game??

Thank you and good night.

David Haye...he's a pretty good name:D:D

buck65

And this is what we call the Muppet Show

Hero Of College

buck65 wrote: »

And this is what we call the Muppet Show

I think Kermit could kick the sh!t out of Miss Piggy.....whether Miss Piggy weighed in the same or not.

Katie Taylor is a girl. She could become the UNDISPUTED Champeen of the World in 10 divisions and it would make no difference. Its girls fighting. Not boys.

Who cares who the WOMENS champion is? I know I don't.

Who cares about Laila Ali the same way they do about Roy Jones? Who cares about Jackie Frazier Lyde the same way they do about Joe Frazier?? Nobody.

walshb

I care and I follow here career and think she is superb, but I also do agree that womens sport is always going to lag behind mens.

Hero Of College

walshb wrote: »

I care and I follow here career and think she is superb, but I also do agree that womens sport is always going to lag behind mens.

Especially in boxing, if for no other reason than MEN do it better.:P

Women shouldn't be allowed to box as Pros, for several reasons that have nothing to do with sexism.

For a start, they don't offer the same level of competition. Their participation in the sport approaches irrelevancy as no matter what a woman does, it will always be found wanting when compared to the skill, talent, power and speed of a male comparator.

Secondly, as I have already illustrated, the degree of opportunity for gimmickry and novelty is far too high. Women "fighting" "men":rolleyes: is one example, where, in some fukced up attempt to recreate the Bobby Riggs vs BJ King "Battle of the Sexes" farce of the 1970's is made.

Riggs, an ancient, thoroughly unsuccessful {and washed up to boot} player, who insisted on playing through the opening set in a vinyl top which sweated him to death to get sponsorship money, was outplayed by the greatest Female player of her era who just so happened to be on top of her game.

Invariably, boxing, as with tennis involves an aged, decrepit excuse of a non-fighter, who is shipped in to be out-moved and out-jabbed by a far younger, fitter female opponent with some degree of boxing nous. This is then held up as "proof" that the "gender divide" is a "fabrication" intended to keep women "down":rolleyes:

I don't want to see the game degraded to suit the neo-fascist agenda of some fukcing lesbian dyke feminist who entertains impossible fantasies of swinging-cock Amazons defeating puny men. Let Germaine Greer and her ilk satisfy themselves through writing about men with wombs.:rolleyes:

Last but not least-, When a serious injury finally occurs to a woman in the ring, or one is killed in a high profile situation, it is not "womens boxing" that will be scrutinised, but ALL boxing. In other words, the MENS game, in effect the ONLY TRUE BOXING, will find itself coming under attack, because some out-of-condition mom of 5 with a beer belly was hurt fighting a real fighter.

http://ballardboxing.tripod.com/id48.html

This fight involved no less than a "College Professor"........and she had a 6-4 record....in an amateur fight.:eek: Whats gonna happen when some female pro gets her chest all horribly busted up and is killed live on the undercard of a big fight in Vegas???


I find that vision intolerable.

Women, by dint of their own physical makeup, run the risk of incurring injuries which are peculiar to the female form, swollen breasts, damage to internal organs that men don't have etc. They are also more prone to suffer more lasting facial damage and bad cuts too. In short, they will attract the attention of the "Ban Boxing Brigade" which will insist that ALL boxing be shut down.

Of course, the Pro-Female outfit have their own arguments, One valid argument, particularly valid in the case of one famous Appellant, Jane Couch, is that your tits don't swell if you don't have tits to begin with.:eek: Throw in the whole "Gender Testing" problem and you have some real sordid embarassment in store for the future.:mad: Steroid taking Females with clits like bananas who want to be famous failing gender tests.

Always be mindful of JUST WHY the Marquess of Queensbury had GLOVES introduced- Polite, Prudish Victorian Society, thoroughly ignorant of anything, insisted upon the prevention of the facial injuries suffered by men in bare-knucke bouts.Such disfiguration offended polite society, the same way alcohol consumption offended Middle America:rolleyes:

PC people always know best.:rolleyes:

Of course, nobody knew that the gloves would allow fights go on for longer, allowing people to get their brains pounded for longer. Allow Lenny to explain, you can contradict him if you want....:D

So fellas....are we, the Boxing Public, going to make our own mind up, or allow some Lawyers/FemiNazis/Lesbians do it for us.???

walshb

No matter what spin you put on it, Taylor is a talent unheard of IMO. Yes she's a woman, and yes she is not as known as her male counterparts; but she is still awesome.
Just watch her with an open mind. She is really superb!

Hero Of College

walshb wrote: »

No matter what spin you put on it, Taylor is a talent unheard of IMO. Yes she's a woman, and yes she is not as known as her male counterparts; but she is still awesome.
Just watch her with an open mind. She is really superb!

Dude...I fight out of her gym in Bray.

She's still a girl.;)

walshb

I know, but for a girl, she is damn good, don't you think. I am not expecting her to beat men or be as agile or as strong as men. She cannot be, nature will not let her; but it doesn't take away from the fact that she is absolute class!

Take her for what she is, a woman competing against other women in boxing at the highest level there is for women. Why all the negativity and why do you keep stating the obvious, ie, that she's a girl and girls aren't as good as men at sport etc. We all know that.

Hero Of College

walshb wrote: »

Take her for what she is, a woman competing against other women in boxing at the highest level there is for women.

Thats like saying so-and-so is the greatest wheelchair basketball player of all time.

Then some 7 foot dude goes flying through the air and slam dunks it.

Its kind of hard to stay focused on how "good" the guy in the wheelchair was.

Yes, you can say "Damn, he's pretty good, for a guy in a wheelchair"..... because in your heart and your head you know he is only as "good as he is" cos he is performing against similarly handicapped opponents and that if he were to take his talent to the logical conclusion, he would be horribly and shockingly outclassed.

For me, I watch Katy fight and I say to myself...."Damn...what a boy would do there".

I understand, you want me to look at her in the abstract, and appreciate her for what she is. I am, trust me, but its hard to call her "Irelands Greatest Athlete"....because, well, she isn't:o

walshb

So basically women shouldn't be allowed compete in sport?

And your analogies are farcical and laughable.

You are biased against Katie and women in sport. It has zero to do with their ability as women with you. You don't think she's much because of her sex

So was or is Steffi Graf useless, Jackie Joyner Kersey, Serena Williams, Sonia O'Sullivan,
Martina Hingis etc etc.

Forget the fact they are women and simply judge them on what they do as WOMEN, not on the whole sport aspect.

Oh, an how about those amazing female gymnasts?
Are you going to dismiss them as well simply because they are women.

Again, I am not comparing sexes, but I think the women elite gymnasts are every
bit as good as the men and actually prefer watching them, just slightly.

I am not comparing Taylor or any other great female athlete with their male counterparts; but you don't seem to realise this, otherwise you wouldn't be replying with the same negative posts.

Do not compare against the great male athletes. We are simply judging her on her ability as a female competitor.

To be honest, I think my time is wasted on you, as you repeatedly are focusing on Taylor from a male standpoint.

nacho libre

I think she might have turned hoc down when he met her in the gym in Bray:D

megadodge

If you box out of Bray, have you ever sparred her ?

In my opinion, no matter how big you are, there's a strong possibility that a small, weak girl could beat the sh!te out of you !

She regularly spars with the senior champs in St. Michael's Athy, as there isn't good enough sparring most anywhere else.

cowzerp

Hero Of College wrote: »

They are also more prone to suffer more lasting facial damage and bad cuts too.

Hang on, your a doctor and make a statement like this? womens skin and flesh is the same organ type as mens, why would it have a different damage possibility than mens?

there is plenty of women boxers out there with no facial damage, actually i dont know 1 that has any! im sure there is but my point still stands.

im not going to say im a big fan of girls boxing but i think if they want to do it then they should have the same rights as everyone else, and i'll always support irish in any event regardless of sex or sport type.