Mt. Leinster now transmitting in MPEG4

slegs

Switched on the TV this am and the DTT channels were not being picked up even though signal was 100%. Did a rescan and it picked up 9 channels instead or the usual 15 or so. Rte1,2, TV3, TG4, Radio1,2, Lyric, Today FM and RNaG. Is the new lineup for the public service MUX (minus the HD Test and Oireachteas and the other radio stations). Also seems to be MPEG4 broadcast as I can find the channels on my WinTV usb stick but it only reads the audio stream. Picture quality looks excellent on the main TV. Must try out text/mheg to see if there is anything there.

e17

Yes I am getting the 9 services on MPEG4.

martin12

Anyone with the humax trial box getting the new mpeg4 tests.
I have one but am only getting sound but blank screen.

Myxomatosis

Seems to be slight aspect ratio problems with the software I'm using. Not auto detecting like it was when it was MPEG2

But H.264 @ 2.5 ~ 3 MB/s looks pretty sweet.

It almost feels like I'm living in a technologically advanced country.

maxg

Try a factory reset at the humax box.

scath

I have the box and no problems yet from 3 Rock. I assume you're in Claremont Cairn. I assume I'll get the blank screen in a day and a half. I shall miss UK TV, but maybe that'll do me no harm. I haven't retuned to test if I'm picking them up but I assume that I'll have the same thing after tomorrow.

martin12 wrote: »

Anyone with the humax trial box getting the new mpeg4 tests.
I have one but am only getting sound but blank screen.

martin12

I have tried default mode which reboots and starts new installation finds channels same as before sound but black screen

scath

You didn't say what transmitter you were near, which would have a bearing. I'm not sure what's happening with Claremont Cairn. But 3 Rock will probably go down like this until next week. The full Irish channel tests should return in MPEG4. So try again middle of next week. In other areas like Mount Leinster transmitter, 9 channels total are up now, The 4 Irish and the remainder, radio, reflecting that this is for the RTÉ FTA mux only. So try again next week with the default retune and 0000. The downtime is likely due to multiplex reconfiguration by RTÉ to reflect its non-UK channel focus purpose.

martin12

I'm getting the channels from Mt.Leinster can get them on my pc no problem.

vandeman

Im getting sound and no vision on RTE 1, RTE 2, TV3 and tng on a sony w2000 series tv any ideas how to get the picture ? can I get a card to upgrade to mpeg 4 ?

watty

In theory yes. In practice wait till service launced so you don't buy something obsolete.

taung

If you have a PCMCIA slot in the back of your TV, which you should have in this class of a SONY TV, stick this yoke into it and you will be able to receive the new RTE FTA MPEG4 broadcasts.

scath

I think that Mt.Leinster is just switched on.

There is a cam that converts from MPEG4 to MPEG2 for your TV. I don't know the cost. The picture quality will degrade a little though, otherwise an MPEG4 set top box is needed.

vandeman wrote: »

Im getting sound and no vision on RTE 1, RTE 2, TV3 and tng on a sony w2000 series tv any ideas how to get the picture ? can I get a card to upgrade to mpeg 4 ?

maxg

And why should a lcd come to the idea to pipe the ts stream through a conditional access modul for a mux which is marked FTA?

lucernarian

It wouldn't be as simple as that. I know that when my wharfedale freeview box tries to access the SD Test channel, it will not be displayed and the box claims it is scrambled or encrypted. Regardless of the TS flag.

maxg

Your wharfedale box is not able to handle mpeg4 and as error message you get what the firmware coder thaught is the reason for not accessable data.

Can anyone confirm whether the Mount Leinster transmissions are marked as encrypted or not?

Myxomatosis

Not marked as encrypted

lucernarian

maxg wrote: »

Your wharfedale box is not able to handle mpeg4 and as error message you get what the firmware coder thaught is the reason for not accessable data.

Your post is a little unclear, but I think you're just making the point I was making. The TS is not passed through the CAM. I believe a particular TV channel on the mux is passed through the box's decoder and if that doesn't work, it sends it on to the CAM.

Either way though, the CAM is not there to decrypt the TS, only its contents.

watty

A module in CAM slot need not be for decryption. I'll know more on the Neotion pocket Duo when the regular MPEG4 start on Three Rock.

Dr.Mark

just back from holiday to find the test over.

Are the new MPEG4 channels on the same frequency? My T6900 will pick them up no probs.

Dr.Mark

are channels broadcasting?

Pointing at 3Rock, On Ch 54, 738MHz, I can pick up a strong signal but am only receiving 2 encrypted channels, SD Test 1 and HD Test 1.

Has anyone had any success?

renshai

Using both a Thomson stand alone DTT box and a Panasonic TH-42PZ81B TV no joy, as Dr Mark says above...Clareemount Cairn

Joe Bangle

Hi. Can anyone tell what the audio parameters for the radio channels are now in MPEG4 from Mount Leinster?

On MPEG2 from Three Rock, AFAIK, they were 48kHz sampling, 192 kbps bitrate, MP3 encoding. Thanks in advance.

radiospan

Joe Bangle wrote: »

On MPEG2 from Three Rock, AFAIK, they were 48kHz sampling, 192 kbps bitrate, MP3 encoding. Thanks in advance.

Wouldn't it have been MP2?

watty

DVB doesn't use MP3. MP2 or AAC.

Myxomatosis

Mt Leinster is transmitting MP2 audio with h.264 video, if anyone is interested.

Joe Bangle

Great -- thanks for that. Is it still 192 kbps @ 48 kHz?

Myxomatosis

Joe Bangle wrote: »

Great -- thanks for that. Is it still 192 kbps @ 48 kHz?

Yup

Satfinder

In the original post, Slegs would appear to have pulled in BOTH picture and sound on the main TV. No PCMCIA card. No transcoder. No STB.

Can I ask what brand and model managed this? And has anyone else been as fortunate with other hardware?

joe25

Hi
I still have the 4 irish channels on my super darkbox combo here in tramore.
Are these in MPEG4 now?

barnicles

Yes

barnicles

Yes joe25

slegs

Satfinder wrote: »

In the original post, Slegs would appear to have pulled in BOTH picture and sound on the main TV. No PCMCIA card. No transcoder. No STB.

Can I ask what brand and model managed this? And has anyone else been as fortunate with other hardware?

I have a Sony Bravia 40W4000

Dr.Mark

Are they broadcasting Ireland HD?

3Rock is only 4 SD channels.

Myxomatosis

No HD Ireland or OTV on Mt Leinster.

Jayw

Hello,
I presently get my TV reception from Mt. Leinster. I’d welcome advise on what exactly are the specifications for the DTT receiver box, and will I be able to watch different DTT channels in different rooms at the same time, as in analogue reception, or do I need an amplifier for different rooms? If so, what type of amplifier do I buy?
Any help?

Satfinder

Thanks to slegs for the hardware info. I see a thread here asking for reports on what hardware is pulling in the MPEG4 signals. Good idea. Who can make it a "sticky"?

kdobey

Hi Guys.

Considering a DTT card (or usb dongle) for HTPC. Any reports of anything digital coming off Kippure yet ? I'm in Kildare (Newbridge) - so not sure if i'd reach Mt. Leinster - also I think I'd need a different Antenna for Mt. Leinster then Kippure - so unwilling to "just try it".

Thanks

scath

Jayw wrote: »

I presently get my TV reception from Mt. Leinster. I’d welcome advise on what exactly are the specifications for the DTT receiver box, and will I be able to watch different DTT channels in different rooms at the same time, as in analogue reception, or do I need an amplifier for different rooms? If so, what type of amplifier do I buy?

Welcome to the boards Jayw, nhttp://www.digitaltelevision.ie/NR/rdonlyres/BFED0C82-501B-42E0-8F38-0789EA604497/0/MinimumReceiverRequirementsforDTTinIrelandv10.pdf which was on the site by March this year has the minimum spec for the box but http://www.digitaltelevision.ie advise that the BCI will be updating this when the BCI DTT award process is completed(around October presumably)..

CEDA had an advisory note about this at: http://www.digitaltelevision.ie/NR/rdonlyres/4D228F0E-3207-4AC5-84BB-1EDBAC4313BD/0/CEDADTTGuidanceNotesFINAL14Feb2008.pdf

You will be able to watch different channels in different rooms but each TV will either need to be a digital TV MPEG4 set or an MPEG4 set top box.

While you're at it, its adviseable to get a combo DTT-Sat box so that you get the best of both worlds, for satellite, to have multi-room without subscription for the extra multiplex fee from the dish, so that TV set channel doesn't switch the other TV channel for satellite.

This means you'll have much more free-to-air channels, only necessary subscriptions. I don't know will Sky do DTT-Sat combo boxes, but you'll be able to get one that picks up Freesat UK and also Irish DTT. If sky do one, it'll probably be subsidised so then you'd have to subscription options, Sky or Boxer.But I don't know whether Boxer or Sky would combo with each other or anything. If they're clever the will, as FTA boxes are neither good for Boxer or Sky. I say let the consumer decide. For them,never the twain shall meet? The smart thing would be for Boxer to go with Freesat UK not Sky. And for Sky to go with DTT only not DTT pay in terms of combo boxes.

My opinion is that DTT won't be that successful for Boxer unless they combo with non-subscription satellite and sell it's pay channels which Freesat UK (BBC-ITV platform) will never be carrying, as a non-subscription platform. If people don't want satellites then charge them for a UK terrestrial package.

Jayw

Thanks for that Scratch. Very informative answer.
Jawy

slegs

kdobey wrote: »

Hi Guys.

Considering a DTT card (or usb dongle) for HTPC. Any reports of anything digital coming off Kippure yet ? I'm in Kildare (Newbridge) - so not sure if i'd reach Mt. Leinster - also I think I'd need a different Antenna for Mt. Leinster then Kippure - so unwilling to "just try it".

Thanks

I am in Kildare town. You can get Mt Leinster. You will need a powered masthead amplifier. I am getting a very high quality signal.