Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Aldini98

Wish we would forget about Gareth Barry. O'Neill is hinting Arsenal might be interested ? Why ? To guarantee the 18M (ludicrous) asking price !!! Duh !

Dont like MON.

wcarey1975

Aldini98 wrote: »

Wish we would forget about Gareth Barry. O'Neill is hinting Arsenal might be interested ? Why ? To guarantee the 18M (ludicrous) asking price !!! Duh !

Dont like MON.

And to think he was linked to the LFC job along with Rafa.....TGFR....

IrishMike

Toon In For Insua
Newcastle United are thought to be keen on a loan move for Liverpool's promising full-back, Emiliano Insua...

The Argentine was kept at Anfield for this coming season supposedly under express orders from manager Rafael Benitez, but the Toon are still hopeful of securing his services, if only for a year on loan.

With new signing Andrea Dossena and Fabio Aurelio more established internationals in Insua's position, the move may remain an outside possibility, particularly as John-Arne Riise has left for Roma.

The 19-year-old would most likely head straight into the Magpies' starting line-up ahead of Jose Enrique, who has failed to live up to his £6.3 million billing from Villarreal.

Nicky Shorey of relegated Reading and Wayne Bridge, Ashley Cole's deputy at Chelsea, are other targets being eyed up by the Toon.

"I've got to sign another left-back, as I've only got one at the club," said coach Kevin Keegan.

"That's not to say I don't fancy Jose [Enrique], I do, but I need another left-back."

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=777300

Think it would be a great move for him.
Plenty of first team football and would seriously increase him value should Rafa not
deem him capable of the step up in future.

~Rebel~

IrishMike wrote: »

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=777300

Think it would be a great move for him.
Plenty of first team football and would seriously increase him value should Rafa not
deem him capable of the step up in future.

that would be a good move alright. Toon could really do with him and he wouldn't have a lot of competition for the spot, unless they started playing n'zogbia back there again which i couldn't see happening. Once it was made very clear this was only a loan move and there wouldn't be an option to buy afterwards, i'd be up for this.

Charlie

~Rebel~ wrote: »

that would be a good move alright. Toon could really do with him and he wouldn't have a lot of competition for the spot, unless they started playing n'zogbia back there again which i couldn't see happening. Once it was made very clear this was only a loan move and there wouldn't be an option to buy afterwards, i'd be up for this.

Yeah cheers we'll take him.

In other news

Juventus have ended their pursuit of Liverpool midfielder Xabi Alonso, saying they have finished their summer recruitment.

The Bianconeri have been linked with Alonso all summer and held talks with the Spaniard over a possible move to Turin.

However, the deal stalled after they failed to agree a fee with Liverpool and Juventus ended up switching targets by signing Christian Poulsen.

Juve president Giovanni Cobolli Gigli says the arrival of Poulsen signals the end of their interest in bringing in Alonso.

"Everyone knows that the transfer market ends on August 31," said Cobolli Gigli.

"But if I have to be honest, unless something extraordinary happens, we can say that we have concluded our transfer activity."

Cobolli Gigli believes Danish international Poulsen will prove to be a valuable addition to the squad.

"I am convinced that we have made a good choice by acquiring Christian Poulsen," added Cobolli Gigli.

"This signing is not a bet made by (Claudio) Ranieri but rather a tactical decision taken by Juventus, knowing that a powerful attack can only be supported by a strong midfield."

The news of Juventus' waning interest in Alonso could be a blow for Liverpool as they look to raise funds for a double swoop for Gareth Barry and Robbie Keane.

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but did I not get slated last week for saying the sale of Alonso was a big if. In fact, Al even chirped in with this:

Mr Alan wrote:

Charlie, there comes a time in everyones life when they have to admit they are wrong

You said it son......you said it.

IrishMike

charlie mchugh wrote: »

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but did I not get slated last week for saying the sale of Alonso was a big if. In fact, Al even chirped in with this:



You said it son......you said it.

Can i ask what on earth are you talking about?

Charlie

IrishMike wrote: »

Can i ask what on earth are you talking about?

Can I ask what on earth are you so puzzled about? My post is fairly self explanatory.

Mr Alan

he is talking crazy talk is wat he is talking he said that Liverpool would bring in nowhere near 40m in outgoing players.

people said basically if Alonso was sold, we would.

Charlie, see as your something of a time traveller, will you pull out you first handful of posts on the subject please, i seem to remember you saying that even if we sold Alonso, we'd get nowhere near 40m.

you were wrong. and there is 1 and a half months for Alonso to be sold.

IrishMike

You said Alonsos transfer was a big if....
What the hell does that mean?
Does that mean if he passes a medical?
If he wants to leave?
If Juve can afford him?
If Liverpool sign Barry?
Is that not true of every single transfer?
Why on earth are you posting as if you have some inside knowledge of the deal that noone else has?

Charlie

No crazy talk here Al, just having trying to have a cheap pop at your expense.

Your good self and a fair few other Liverpool supporters seemed to think that it would be a piece of piss to sell your knock offs at top prices, whilst baulking at what other clubs are looking for their top players.

I merely was pointing out that the list of money coming in was quite ambitious, and I couldn't understand how Liverpool fans couldn't see this when they seem to think that everyone elses players should be going on the cheap.

IrishMike

charlie mchugh wrote: »

Your good self and a fair few other Liverpool supporters seemed to think that it would be a piece of piss to sell your knock offs at top prices, whilst baulking at what other clubs are looking for their top players.

Links please ?
Otherwise you are basically making it up in fairness.
Who on earth said it would be a piece of piss to sell any players we didnt want?

I merely was pointing out that the list of money coming in was quite ambitious, and I couldn't understand how Liverpool fans couldn't see this when they seem to think that everyone elses players should be going on the cheap.

How on earth is 17m for Garreth Barry cheap?
Seriously the mind boggles!

Mr Alan

charlie mchugh wrote: »

No crazy talk here Al, just having trying to have a cheap pop at your expense.

Your good self and a fair few other Liverpool supporters seemed to think that it would be a piece of piss to sell your knock offs at top prices, whilst baulking at what other clubs are looking for their top players.

I merely was pointing out that the list of money coming in was quite ambitious, and I couldn't understand how Liverpool fans couldn't see this when they seem to think that everyone elses players should be going on the cheap.

less of the cheap pops at our expense please.

i still would not be suprised if the likes of Sevilla or Athletico didnt make a bid for Alonso before the window closes, its only open 2 weeks after all.

as for the rest of the "knock offs at top price" they were the prices that deals were done or close to being done at.

as was alonsos price.

IrishMike

Completely unsubstantiated gossip coming up

Atletico Madrid to step in for Liverpool's Xabi
tribalfooball.com - July 15, 2008

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez is determined to find a buyer for Xabi Alonso.

Juventus have dropped interest in Xabi over Liverpool's asking price, but Benitez needs the midfielder's sale to raise much-needed transfer funds, says the Liverpool Echo.

Atletico Madrid are keeping tabs on the situation, with coach Javier Aguirre admitting they're short of a playmaker in midfield.

Completely devoid of any concrete facts but who cares

Charlie

IrishMike wrote: »

Links please ?
Otherwise you are basically making it up in fairness.
Who on earth said it would be a piece of piss to sell any players we didnt want?

I'm not going through the hassle or rooting up the old thread and digging through posts, but a few punters seemed to think it would be a formality flogging the likes of Alonso, Pennant and the other cast offs for a pretty penny, and thinking that £12-15 million was a reasonable price for Crouch, whilst the likes of Barry and Robbie Keane are only worth £12 million themselves and that Liverpool should be paying no more than that.

IrishMike wrote: »

How on earth is 17m for Garreth Barry cheap?
Seriously the mind boggles!

I never said it was cheap. However, was that the inital bid Liverpool made? No. They have dragged their heels in trying to offer all sorts of pick n' mixes of players, and the odd million or two, to get the deal through. This is their 4th or 5th bid, and only now are they starting to get near valuation.

IrishMike

charlie mchugh wrote: »

I never said it was cheap. However, was that the inital bid Liverpool made? No. They have dragged their heels in trying to offer all sorts of pick n' mixes of players, and the odd million or two, to get the deal through. This is their 4th or 5th bid, and only now are they starting to get near valuation.

No they are now only starting to get close to MONs valuation.
We passed out his true value at the £14m mark.
Problem now for MON is if Liverpool say no thanks to £17m + Finnan he is
left with a mighty unhappy captain who can buy out his contract next summer
and walk for free.
Would be the best outcome for Liverpool as spending £17m on Barry is lunacy in my view.

jesus_thats_gre

charlie mchugh wrote: »

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but did I not get slated last week for saying the sale of Alonso was a big if. In fact,

You were being a pedantic tool. Just give it a break will you.

Karmafaerie

charlie mchugh wrote: »

I'm not going through the hassle or rooting up the old thread and digging through posts, but a few punters seemed to think it would be a formality flogging the likes of Alonso, Pennant and the other cast offs for a pretty penny, and thinking that £12-15 million was a reasonable price for Crouch, whilst the likes of Barry and Robbie Keane are only worth £12 million themselves and that Liverpool should be paying no more than that.



I never said it was cheap. However, was that the inital bid Liverpool made? No. They have dragged their heels in trying to offer all sorts of pick n' mixes of players, and the odd million or two, to get the deal through. This is their 4th or 5th bid, and only now are they starting to get near valuation.

No, you have a very warped idea of what actually happened there Charlie.
Seeing as you were responding to my post, let me clear things up for you.

I said that I thought that Liverpool would be able to generate £40,000,000 in sales, and add that onto between £15-£20,000,000 in a transfer kitty to make up a budget of around £55-60,000,000 for the season which is enough to get the players we need.

You jumped in stating that there was no way that we'd generate £40,000,000.
Both myself and Mr Alan then pointed out just how easily we "could".
Me you and Mr Alan then had a three way discussion about it, along with a few other posters.

All along both Alan and myself repeatedly pointed out that we think that the prices for Barry and Keane were high, but understandably so.

You then disappeared until jumping out here, and I'm sure will disappear as soon as Liverpool do generate £40,000,000 +, which I still think we will.

You said that we won't make £40,000,000 including the transfer of Alonso!!!

Just to remind you further, here's the transcript!!! :rolleyes:

My first post

Karmafaerie wrote:

I've been saying for months that we'll spend money this year.
I even have friends who I bet with about it.

I've always said that we'll make at least £40,000,000 in sales, and get £15,000,000 - £20,000,000 as a budget.

That's £60,000,000 hopefully, which is almost as much as last year when we bought Torres, Skretel, Babel, and Masch (among the others).

We don't need anywhere near as much of an improvement this year, so I'm still happy.

Your response.

charlie mchugh wrote:

Where are you getting this £40 mil in sales. Couchie will net 11 and Alonso another 15 if that goes through, and you'll get 2 from us for Guthrie, but after that you'll only pick up a mil here and a mil there on players like Finnan.

Feel stupid now?!!

P.S: The page where it started
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055299857&page=255

Aquos76

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez is determined to find a buyer for Xabi Alonso.

Would somebody mind please telling what has Alonso done that Rafa wants rid of him so badly. He is a far better player than Barry imo..

Charlie

Karmafaerie wrote: »

N
Feel stupid now?!!

No I don't, honestly.

Look, we'll have to agree to disagree, as I think we both differ on the valuations of Liverpool's potential sales and buys, and on how in demand Liverpool's potential sales are.

IrishMike

charlie mchugh wrote: »

No I don't, honestly.

Look, we'll have to agree to disagree, as I think we both differ on the valuations of Liverpool's potential sales and buys, and on how in demand Liverpool's potential sales are.

Are you honestly telling me that Liverpool couldnt raise £40m through player sales?
Torres to Chelsea £65m
Done
This is for you Charlie

Karmafaerie

charlie mchugh wrote: »

No I don't, honestly.

Look, we'll have to agree to disagree, as I think we both differ on the valuations of Liverpool's potential sales and buys, and on how in demand Liverpool's potential sales are.

You're entitled to your oppinion, but you're the one who came back in here again, slagging off our players, and saying that Alonso "maybe" not going to Juve is proof that you were right, when in fact you were saying something completely different in the first place.

Liverpool will easily make £40,000,000 in player sales.

Riise - £4,000,000
Guthrie - £2,250,000
Crouch - £12,000,000
Le Tallec - £1,000,000

That's £19,000,000 already.

You really honestly think that we wouldn't get £21,000,000 for Alonso, Pennant, Finnan, Carson and Itange, all of whom look to be on the way out.
Juve offered £14,000,000 for Alonso after all, which would mean that you value the combined players of Pennant, Finnan, Carson, and Itange at less than £7,000,000.

Well done.

~Rebel~

charlie mchugh wrote: »

No I don't, honestly.

Look, we'll have to agree to disagree, as I think we both differ on the valuations of Liverpool's potential sales and buys, and on how in demand Liverpool's potential sales are.

sigh, just to put this one to bed, getting 40million in sales using conservative estimates;

crouch 10
alonso 14
guthrie 2.5
riise 4
finnan 2
pennant 5
itandje 2
carson 4
le tallec 1

That gives us 44.5mill so you can take the extra 4.5mill off wherever you think im being overly optimistic.

<edit> karma just pipped me to the post (pun intended)

Karmafaerie

Aquos76 wrote: »

Would somebody mind please telling what has Alonso done that Rafa wants rid of him so badly. He is a far better player than Barry imo..

Rafa doesn't think that he's good enough obviously.

It's one thing for all of us to sit here and say that if Alonso can get his form back, and stay injury free, he'll be the second coming of Jesus, but Rafa trains with him 6 days a week.
Obviously he thinks that this isn't the case.

I'll belay to Rafas judgement in this.

missingtime

Definately need to start charging people for the entertainment they get from winding up liverpool fans....

tonc76

www.breakingnews.ie

Aston Villa outcast Gareth Barry returns to training tomorrow for the first time since his fall-out with boss Martin O’Neill over the Liverpool transfer saga.

The Midlanders went to the extent of announcing skipper Barry’s return in an official statement, saying that the midfielder would be returning to training at the club’s Bodymoor Heath HQ.

O’Neill had initially fined Barry a reported two-weeks’ wages of £60,000 and banned him from all club premises almost two weeks ago after the player had launched an attack on his manager’s handling of the on-going row over his proposed move to Liverpool.

The new twist in the saga throws up interesting situations, with O’Neill confirming this week that Arsenal had asked to be kept informed of developments.

The key is that nobody wants an unfit player on their hands. Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez last week suggested privately that they would not be prepared to pay an £18m transfer fee for a player who had missed a significant part of crucial pre-season training.

Liverpool and Villa are at stalemate over the proposed move, with the Anfield club still to meet O’Neill’s demands.

The fitness issue would also concern another prospective buyer, as well as Villa who would also not want a player in their squad patently unfit.

It is believed that Barry has not been doing any significant training on his own.

As the bitter negotiations have continued over the past couple of weeks, it has even been suggested that Liverpool’s resolve to continue haggling has decreased.

With the prospective sale of Xabi Alonso for £16m to Juventus now having fallen through – and with the player stating he did not want to leave the club - Liverpool have now turned their attentions to trying to sign Spurs striker Robbie Keane.

And there are certainly sources at Anfield who do not believe Barry is worth £18m or that he is a better player than Alonso.

Benitez said last week: “Xabi wants to stay because he is happy here. I have talked to him, he knows my ideas and he knows why. So we will try to find a solution for him, for us, and the best for the club.”

That solution may well end with Alonso staying and Barry not moving to Liverpool.

Despite the Villa man making it plain to O’Neill that he wants to move to Anfield, the Midlanders’ boss would surely love to see Barry move to Arsenal - if he is going to leave – rather than Liverpool, considering the months of rancour between the clubs.

Barry now has a choice to make. Does he continue to insist that the move to Liverpool is still his main objective or does he try for a way out of the difficult position he now finds himself in?

Although Villa are playing in the Intertoto Cup on Saturday against Odense, it would seem highly unlikely that O’Neill would want to use the player in the match considering his lack of fitness.

Even if he did make such a decision, it would not cup-tie Barry for either Arsenal or Liverpool. Recent rule changes mean that players cannot be cup-tied from one European tournament to another.

Barry’s return to training could even be a prelude to the deal with Liverpool finally going through, with his lack of fitness not allowed to become an issue.

Charlie

Yis are missing my point lads. A players value wholly depends on how much someone wants him, and at the moment, there isn't a que of people lining up for your players.

All those figures you've bandied around are what YOU value them at, and worse, assume that that all possible deals will go through.

I mentioned the Alonso fall through to highlight how people were taking it for granted that other clubs wanted your players, and that your valuations would be met. At present, I don't see how I am wrong, but once Liverpool tip £40 mil mark, i'll come in here for my humble pie, scouts honor.

Oh and IrishMike, that had to be the lamest fail post ever. Yes, I know Liverpool could sell Torres and raise £40 million+, but we were never talking about the sales of Torres, Gerrard, Babel etc.

mayordenis

no ther not, the value of risse was set by roma, crouch by pompey, guthrie by the toon.

as we know alonso was around the 15m mark - although only 14 offered
and not our guesses for either carson or pennant - at 4 and 5 respectively - more a case of media reports.

so we're at 5 for risse 11 for crouch 2.5 for guthrie, 4 for carson and 5 for pennant oh and 1 for le tallec.

28.5 by my calculations without selling alonso. just stop digging a hole please.

mike65

Christ on a bike. Boggles part deux.

Mike.

Charlie

mayordenis wrote: »

no ther not, the value of risse was set by roma, crouch by pompey, guthrie by the toon.

as we know alonso was around the 15m mark - although only 14 offered
and not our guesses for either carson or pennant - at 4 and 5 respectively - more a case of media reports.

so we're at 5 for risse 11 for crouch 2.5 for guthrie, 4 for carson and 5 for pennant oh and 1 for le tallec.

28.5 by my calculations without selling alonso. just stop digging a hole please.

(Banging my head off a wall)

~Rebel~

charlie mchugh wrote: »

Yis are missing my point lads. A players value wholly depends on how much someone wants him, and at the moment, there isn't a que of people lining up for your players.

All those figures you've bandied around are what YOU value them at, and worse, assume that that all possible deals will go through.

I mentioned the Alonso fall through to highlight how people were taken for granted that people wanted your players and that your valuations would be met. At present, I don't see how I am wrong, but once Liverpool tip £40 mil mark, i'll come in here for my humble pie, scouts honor.

Oh and IrishMike, that had to be the lamest fail post ever. Yes, I know Liverpool could sell Torres and raise £40 million+, but we were never talking about the sales of Torres, Gerrard, Babel etc.

To be fair, the values i put up are not anywhere close to what i value them, i put up ridiculously low prices that i would be quite annoyed with if they were carried out. and still ended up with 4.5mill surpluss, which means not all would need to go considering finnan and itandje could both stay and we'd still reach the target. And i didn't even add in the 2mill of future money for Crouch which if included (as it is in most transfers) gives us 6.5mill leeway.

I fail to see how anyone could look at these numbers and not admit that it would not be at all strange, and would even be likely, that we broke 40mill.

All of the fringe players prices i mentioned would be steals, eg carson for 4 or pennant for 5. I couldn't see them not being snapped up for that (Carson already looks to be on his way for that price with 2 clubs fighting for him). Itandje to be fair, i wouldn't even rate as being 2mill but the mooted move to galatasaray is 2 to 3, and considering we've already bought his replacement its probably pretty close. The only sticky one would be Alonso at 14, but given the surplus i mentioned, if it was dropped to 12 (and i would be in tears) he'd definately get a serious amount of interest.