CIT inferiority complex

partyguinness

Had to laugh there again on Friday night...long story but was in a group of people stranded in an Irish airport. None of us knew each other but there there was a few CIT engineering students...and low and behold I wondered how long it would take them to say that "Engineering in CIT is alot better than UCC" or "I had the points for UCC but decided to go to CIT instead"..they didnt dissappoint...its gone on for years.

But the irony is they now want to do a degree/masters in UCC but I didnt want to be cruel by pointing it out...

Why cant CIT students just accept that they are slow learners..?:D

Flamed Diving

UCC isn't much better, tbh.

partyguinness

Flamed Diving wrote: »

UCC isn't much better, tbh.

Perhaps..only went to UCC so cant say what CIT is like..(didnt do engineering btw) but its funny to meet CIT students esp engineering and within a few minutes they cant resist pointing out that their course is just as good even though nobody asks or quiet frankly cares.. reminds me of Canadians how will always make a point of letting everyone know they are Canadian in case they are mixed up with Yanks.

Flamed Diving

Yeah, but Canadians are better than Yanks.

KnifeWRENCH

Aw bless them

Of course they have an inferiority complex - they are but a lowly IT while we're a dazzling NUI. Plus we're just awesomer

KeyLimePie

UCC is better simple as :)
it's only good if u WANNA go there as in there's nothing else that u cud do, such as u wanted to do graphic design and ur too cheap to go to dun laoighre

quietsailor

I attended CIT back in the day when it was an RTC and I can honestly say with hand on my heart I attended a course which no UCC graduate will ever better me in..............simply because Marine Engineering isn't offered in UCC, or any other college in Ireland for that matter. So it's horses for courses. I wanted to go to sea as a career when I was 16 so UCC was useless.

And before you lot start send vitriol my way I'm going back to UCC to study the Energy Engineering Degree so I don't have any hang-ups about UCC, my father and brother both qualified out of UCC and hopefully I will in 4 years as well. :eek:

evil-monkey

I have been to both UCC and CIT. Studying computers.

I found that UCC was a far better college by terms of facilities etc etc, but found the course content was a bit generalised there. I remember one programming lecturer in particular spending an entire lecture reading from a book that tried to convince us that programmers were like wizards. Interesting of course but a total waste of time!!

CIT's course content seemed to be a lot more, how would you say, useful. The thing about CIT is the facilities aren't a patch on UCC, and CIT and there a lot of scobes around.

Of course I'm talking from the point of computers. More academic subjects I wouldn't be able to comment on, but I imagine UCC wipes the floor there...

castie

partyguinness wrote: »

...reminds me of Canadians how will always make a point of letting everyone know they are Canadian in case they are mixed up with Yanks.

If there was even a remote chance that id be confused for a yank i would be screaming from the hilltops that i wasnt .

deegs

partyguinness wrote: »

Had to laugh there again on Friday night...long story but was in a group of people stranded in an Irish airport. None of us knew each other but there there was a few CIT engineering students...and low and behold I wondered how long it would take them to say that "Engineering in CIT is alot better than UCC" or "I had the points for UCC but decided to go to CIT instead"..they didnt dissappoint...its gone on for years.

But the irony is they now want to do a degree/masters in UCC but I didnt want to be cruel by pointing it out...

Why cant CIT students just accept that they are slow learners..?:D

They are probably having a laf about the UCC git that had to start a internet thread on how much better UCC are!

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

It's really funny, two of my friends go there, and in fairness it sounds like a perfectly repectable institutuion, small class sizes, good facilities etc, but they go mental if I mention how I was in "real college" the other day or something. I only ever slag CIT to annoy them! And they always seem to end up saying "yeah well, CIT christmas day is CLASS so there!"

razorblunt

Leia Squeaking Gravel wrote: »

It's really funny, two of my friends go there, and in fairness it sounds like a perfectly repectable institutuion, small class sizes, good facilities etc, but they go mental if I mention how I was in "real college" the other day or something. I only ever slag CIT to annoy them! And they always seem to end up saying "yeah well, CIT christmas day is CLASS so there!"

I've been to both, just finished in CIT and heding back to UCC for a Masters. Have to say I preferred CIT for the support from lecturers and what I found was better thought material, but then again somepeople in my course hated the pressure from lecturers and preferred the self-reliability of UCC.

UCC has far better facilities there's no denying that.

Xmas Day in CIT may not be on this year after the hasse that was caused during Rag Week. Funny watching everyone trying to blame the FÁS block release guys when I'd say the greater proportion of them attend class than most of the other courses.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

razorblunt wrote: »

Xmas Day in CIT may not be on this year after the hasse that was caused during Rag Week. Funny watching everyone trying to blame the FÁS block release guys when I'd say the greater proportion of them attend class than most of the other courses.

Didn't someone get stabbed on north main street on CIT xmas? I distinctly remember not being able to get my sub because the whole area was cordoned off, and then there was talk of it being called off coz of that...I dunno, I was off my tits

CantGetNoSleep

Leia Squeaking Gravel wrote: »

Didn't someone get stabbed on north main street on CIT xmas? I distinctly remember not being able to get my sub because the whole area was cordoned off, and then there was talk of it being called off coz of that...I dunno, I was off my tits

Yeah I was there, remember seeing guts on the road, ugh!

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Christ, my friend and I nearly walked straight into the cordon before we realised "hang on, subway has a much heavier garda presence than usual...hmmm" I really wanted a sub as well, I was proper mad

evil-monkey

deegs wrote: »

They are probably having a laf about the UCC git that had to start a internet thread on how much better UCC are!

+1

insinkerator

Well they have a point. Most people turn there nose down at CIT, especially if they are coming from UCC. However CIT especially when it comes to engineering is a far better system and course, even if they college as a whole doesnt have the same "prestige" as UCC....

That said, i am going to UCC. But im doing commerce and French!

KeyLimePie

has anyone ever noticed that there's no forum for CIT on here ? ........

Fabio

That's true...there should be one really...

Shinji Ikari

partyguinness wrote: »

Had to laugh there again on Friday night...long story but was in a group of people stranded in an Irish airport. None of us knew each other but there there was a few CIT engineering students...and low and behold I wondered how long it would take them to say that "Engineering in CIT is alot better than UCC" or "I had the points for UCC but decided to go to CIT instead"..they didnt dissappoint...its gone on for years.

But the irony is they now want to do a degree/masters in UCC but I didnt want to be cruel by pointing it out...

Why cant CIT students just accept that they are slow learners..?:D

Meh. Why should we enlighten those peasants? LOL! I don't know if its true that, in general, they have an inferiority complex. I did meet one, an absolute jerk, who made a snide remark "Oh I bet I will get a job before you" ......Idiot.

Webmonkey

KeyLimePie wrote: »

has anyone ever noticed that there's no forum for CIT on here ? ........

Nah doubt there will ever be one either tbh - I would have thought, considering the amount of students that we could at least get a trial run of a forum. Doesn't look like it though. Several threads on about it, no action.

One thing I have to say for CIT is at least most students will be used to getting up early in the morning and coming home late so they'll have no problem going into the working world. I also find that we have a lot more Labs and hands on things, take my course for example - Software/Dev with Computer Networking, we get to do the CCNA course free with it - a course that costs 2000 roughly. That is an excellent qualification to get along with your honours degree. CIT do a lot with work placement too which really does help on getting a job. I've almost completed mine now and I've already got a job offer for after college, so have a few others.

Intel interviewers came to mine and they couldn't believe the difference on the way things were done in CIT as apposed to UCC - at least in the area of Computer Science.

CIT doesn't have any facilities what so ever, they can't organise anything in there but damn - I think the content of the courses is good and end of day that's all that matters to me.

I have absolutely nothing against UCC, its a fine college but its the attitudes of some people that go in there that annoys me. The way in which they look down and complain how shít CIT is when they wouldn't even know what the place looks like - they just go with the general flow in UCC that CIT is crap. I just find some of them to be a bit too snobby for my liking.

Shinji Ikari

Webmonkey wrote: »

I have absolutely nothing against UCC, its a fine college but its the attitudes of some people that go in there that annoys me. The way in which they look down and complain how shít CIT is when they wouldn't even know what the place looks like - they just go with the general flow in UCC that CIT is crap. I just find some of them to be a bit too snobby for my liking.

To be fair I think most of it is just good natured banter. Oh by the way U.C.C. is not a fine college, its a fine university.:D

The term U.C.C. is an anachronistic moniker. Technically speaking its National University of Ireland Cork. Ahhh..U.C.C.......narcissists paradise.lol!

Webmonkey

Shinji Ikari wrote: »

To be fair I think most of it is just good natured banter. Oh by the way U.C.C. is not a fine college, its a fine university.:D

The term U.C.C. is an anachronistic moniker. Technically speaking its National University of Ireland Cork. Ahhh..U.C.C.......narcissists paradise.lol!

Oops a fine University

jank

I did that same course (DNET). Graduated 4 years ago. Job market was slow so i went on to do a masters in DCU, and i found out that this was a bit of a step up but more so with the students rather then the course content. The content was fine, like it was harder in parts and very very hard work in some modules (I had to teach myself JAVA in a few weeks after only every doing c,c++) but people who go on to do more studying are generally the ones who are better ( or desperate in my case!!:D) so its no surprises there.

The point is you get what you put into a course. You could attend MIT and do **** all yet someone else could attend CIT and get way more out of it!

I have been working in the IT industry 3 years now and you have seen all sorts. There are good and bad in both CIT and UCC grads but regarding the course itself then Computer Sceince/BIS is nowhere near the IT courses that are offered in CIT. Industry will tell you that aswell. In Ireland only UL and DCU are better (this was 3 years ago now)but the thing is CIT is a bit of a dump. Nothing really works, things plod along. CIT is grand but its a bit depressing out there in winter. Im also a graduate of UCC so i can judge both!:p
I cant judge other departments by the way but in all universities you will have departments that are the best in the country or way below par. The CIT engineering department is supposed to be very good and i heard that from a UCC professor so is it better then UCC... have no idea.

A nice pretty dynamic php/mysql website in UCC will get you a honours. That would get you a bare pass or a fail in CIT and i have seen final year projects from both. UCC is very good at marketing itself especially that BIS course. It does have very good facilities and a very nice university feel to the place in fairness so i do understand why people are proud of the place and proud of going to it. You dont get that in CIT. But what is ones aim of college/university?

One thing about UCC is that alot of students go there for the sake of going to college and go on the pi$$ for 3/4 years. Especially Arts and Commerce. I suppose the same can be said of CIT but the courses offered there are generally job or sector specific. Jobs are easier to come by then.
OK in UCC you have the classics, but arts willl qualify you for feck all so you have to have a plan b imo. But thats good too as it opens your eyes to other things so you can persue. My bro did arts and went on to do a masters in GIS the UK. Arts on its own only looks good on the wall! Science can be the same but not as bad as it is much easy to specialise and do further study research.

That old joke about Arts and McDonalds is there for a reason. I have seen dozens of arts students who finish up and dont have a clue what to do next. They expect a big job because the wrote a big eassy on 4th century roman pottery but they are lucky to get a job as an AP or similar!
Its a sorry sight but one must have a plan b or specialise. College isn't always the answer. Follow what you want to do!

Webmonkey

Interesting read.

CIT is getting worse though with the Business course, more and more students are taking it just for the fun of it - its like the arts of UCC.
Don't get me wrong though, there are people in there that actualyl want to do good and further their education after, but it has to be said a lot of people take these courses because they are lost after the LC, don't know what to do and want to get out like their friends so take it for the craic.

jank

Webmonkey wrote: »

Interesting read.

CIT is getting worse though with the Business course, more and more students are taking it just for the fun of it - its like the arts of UCC.
Don't get me wrong though, there are people in there that actualyl want to do good and further their education after, but it has to be said a lot of people take these courses because they are lost after the LC, don't know what to do and want to get out like their friends so take it for the craic.

It is endemic of Irish Society really. There is a real dilution of standards.
Education up to 3rd level should not be a right!
They should bring back fees for those who can afford it, pool all that money together and spend it on 3rd and 4th level education. This is what the country needs to step up the food chain or get left behind with 40,000 semi -d's

Read some interesting stuff recently on how the oil rich gulf states are pumping tens of billions into new world class universities to try and catch up with the likes of Oxford, MIT, Yale etc. I wouldnt put it past them either!
Also how india's universites and techs are in huge trouble because of the dilution of course ciriculium. They churn out hundreds of thousands of grads but loads of them are wofully prepared to enter the workplace for what they were trained for. Quality not quantity is the answer there and should be ours aswell.

This is way off topic i know but there is an underlining issue in this thread of how our new society view 3rd level.

jank

Edit: double post

razorblunt

Leia Squeaking Gravel wrote: »

Didn't someone get stabbed on north main street on CIT xmas? I distinctly remember not being able to get my sub because the whole area was cordoned off, and then there was talk of it being called off coz of that...I dunno, I was off my tits

Wasn't there like 3 seperate stabbing incidents that night?
I'dbe very surprised if the bars around CIT were allowed open as early and do as many dirnk promos this year that they did last year.

Ri na hEireann

Ah this thread is too serious.....

What do you get when you walk through the CIT campus?....anyone?

jank

???

Cork

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The site is too small for UCC.

Buying up houses and grayhound tracks etc for expansion makes the whole campus haphazard.

The airconditioning in the boole is crap. I used alwys dooze off during lectures there. Don't even get me started on the Keane Building.

UCC is ok. Did a post grad there.

No experience of CIT. But If I am doing further post grad work - I'll probably go with the Institutes of Technology option as they seem less knotted up in academia.

Shinji Ikari

Ri na hEireann wrote: »

Ah this thread is too serious.....

What do you get when you walk through the CIT campus?....anyone?

Feces on the soles of your shoes.Lol.

owenbjj

The simple fact that a ucc student started this thread confirms that its ucc students who have the issue no? I dont know, Im just a simple student from cit now, so one of ye ucc people better explain this whole situation to me.... i just cannot understand all these bigs words..

*Notice how all the replys to this comment will be from ucc students who are going to tell me how ucc is better and cit is'nt any good and blah de blah de blah....


It gets boring after a while u know, so resist the temptation to reply!

If one person replys to this comment it proves that its ucc people who have these issues

Aodan83

owenbjj wrote: »

If one person replys to this comment it proves that its ucc people who have these issues

You posted in the UCC forum. It's kind of expected that the majority of people who post here are in, or planning on going to, UCC. What brings you here, by the way?

D-Generate

Did you search for this thread? Was the thought of a rivalry niggling at you so much that you looked for past threads? Or do you always dig up threads from months and months ago?

bnt

This isn't all - owenbjj had some kind of meltdown last night, and got himself banned after posting this to the UCD forum. Not a happy bunny. :eek:

overexcitedaj

I was a student at ucc and i find alot of people to be nice. Especially the people in my course. Very nice down to earth people. BUT

Is this not a superiority complex?
So what if they say these things. Is it not being fuelled by the countless CIT jokes. Everyone has a right to an education and if some people dont get enough points in a few tests, that I consider to be an unfair assesment of a tennagers inteligence, at least they are still striving on to try and recieve a third level education.
There are a kind out there who really look down on the IT crowd ( generalisation here and not taking a dig at the boardsies ) just because they hold that ucc student card.
What is everyones opinion on this?

Webmonkey

People seem to think that just because points is higher - they getting a better education or that the course is more difficult.

I've just completed Software Dev/Networking degree in CIT and I know a lot of people from UCC courses, and we go into a lot more detail especially in telecommunications/networking sides of things yet you only need 260 points to get into it. Obviously they probably cover things we don't either - it goes both ways

Both colleges are good, depends what you doing. Some better off in CIT some better of in UCC.

El Siglo

Came across this thread from perusing the UCD forum after the thread started by that owen chap. Really what matters is how useful is your degree abroad and how well known is your university/college etc... CIT has weaknesses and so does UCC, however what matters is status abroad given the current economic situation. Personally, I would rather a degree from UCC, because it's a university, CIT probably has a better teaching environment etc... but try explaining this in an interview with a recruitment firm in Canada, New Zealand etc... that you have degree but it's not from a university per se. I think, if you go to an IT, great, fair play (without trying to sound too condescending), but to back up your qualifications, a postgrad of sorts might be useful from one of the universities, and the same applies vice versa (i.e. I remember reading about a poster discussing the quality of his DIT Masters was on a much higher par than the MA he/she did in UCD regarding taught element and the level of complexity it entailed). So really, it's not a question of which is better UCC or CIT, but really, we're on a small island, we have a load of third level institutions, we should be collaborating more than competing with one another because at the end of the day we're all going to end up working abroad and Kiwis and Canucks don't really care about our third level education system but more of; do we have comparable university standard degrees and can we do the job. On a further note, I must say the Quad in UCC is a really nice example of elegant Victorian landscaping unapparent in good ole Belfield, bravo folks, bravo!;)

captainspeckle

Cork wrote: »

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The site is too small for UCC.

Buying up houses and grayhound tracks etc for expansion makes the whole campus haphazard.

The airconditioning in the boole is crap. I used alwys dooze off during lectures there. Don't even get me started on the Keane Building.

UCC is ok. Did a post grad there.

No experience of CIT. But If I am doing further post grad work - I'll probably go with the Institutes of Technology option as they seem less knotted up in academia.

and acamedia is a bad thing? wow. you are the fussiest person in the world.

CommieBaz

Academia isn't for everyone, ya know.

Hamiltonion

Guys, guys can't you all just get along? And prepare for a life of servitude to TCD alumni!:D

captainspeckle

CommieBaz wrote: »

Academia isn't for everyone, ya know.

i didnt say it was. just said it wasnt a bad thing. there is a diffference.:D

Arcto

I was in CIT for awhile on block release (so even CIT students looked down on us ). Nice enough place, lecturers were sound. Grub was sh1te.

Been in UCC a bit just for a wander about, looks alot nicer but i mean isnt a class room a class room at the end of the day? The lecturers are what makes the college/University.

Webmonkey

The grub isn't that bad - apparently it better than UCCs (Coming from UCC friends that come playing poker )

diego ribas

UCC is full of Pres and Christians, Dubarry clogged, MacWilliams bagged meat heads who have watched one too many episodes of Skins

CIT is full of tracksuit wearing, FAS headed greasy monkeys who drive ****ty boy racer cars that stink up the canteen at breakfast.

Take your pick.

deisedude

diego ribas wrote: »

UCC is full of Pres and Christians, Dubarry clogged, MacWilliams bagged meat heads who have watched one too many episodes of Skins

CIT is full of tracksuit wearing, FAS headed greasy monkeys who drive ****ty boy racer cars that stink up the canteen at breakfast.

Take your pick.

Ah seriously why do people keep dragging this old topic up. Let sleeping dogs lie FFS

diego ribas

deisedude wrote: »

Ah seriously why do people keep dragging this old topic up. Let sleeping dogs lie FFS

Maybe because it of interest to them perhaps?

If it really grates you then maybe you could stay out of the thread if that isn't too difficult. Christ..

ReacherCreature

but i mean isnt a class room a class room at the end of the day? The lecturers are what makes the college/University

I like this. Quite true.

diego ribas wrote: »

UCC is full of Pres and Christians, Dubarry clogged, MacWilliams bagged meat heads who have watched one too many episodes of Skins

CIT is full of tracksuit wearing, FAS headed greasy monkeys who drive ****ty boy racer cars that stink up the canteen at breakfast.

Take your pick.

Wtf? I'm in UCC. I don't wear 'Dubarrys' or have ever watch 'Skins'. I've no idea what you're talking about either. There's two wide sweeping general statements that don't cover every student in either insitution.

deisedude wrote: »

Ah seriously why do people keep dragging this old topic up. Let sleeping dogs lie FFS

Agreed. But I had to get my two cents in.

Soulja boy

I've always been of the opinion that if you were to do the friends/seinfeld thing with CIT and UCC

UCC would be seinfeld and CIT would be HBOs Oz

diego ribas

ReacherCreature wrote: »

I like this. Quite true.



Wtf? I'm in UCC. I don't wear 'Dubarrys' or have ever watch 'Skins'. I've no idea what you're talking about either. There's two wide sweeping general statements that don't cover every student in either insitution.



Agreed. But I had to get my two cents in.

If i was to cover every student I would be here all day, thats why sweeping generalizations work for me