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No Carb Diet
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08-07-2008 6:56am#1
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Hi,
I looking to lose about 2 stone and was thinking of going on the no carb diet. Carbs tend to go with all things bad that I eat. The only part of the day i'll miss them will be breakfast. I intend to go to the gym also 3 times a week. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
S.
Hey I tried the Atkins diet before and I lost weight very fast but it went back on even faster when I quit! Over the last 3 months I've been generally eating healthy and going to the gym and I've lost alot of weight. I have cut out alot of carbs like white bread, rice, potatoes but not because I'm on a Low Carb diet-Its just because I'm eating more salads and snacking on fruit etc. I actually don't feel like I'm on a diet anymore, this is how I eat now and hopefully always will be. Whereas with a diet such as a "No Carb Diet" its not easy to maintain. One more thing - I felt like crap on the Atkins and trying to vary what I ate on it was so much effort.
I really think if you want to lose weight and keep it off that you should consider another option.
Good luck
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cozmik have you got a link about that?eclectichoney wrote: »Really? I never knew this. So if beans have 20g of carbs and 7g of fibre, they really have 27g of carbs? Sorry if I have got it wrong, I'm a bit confused!
This could get a bit pedantic...
If you're low-carbing by rights the ONLY carbs you should be eating are from high-fibre vegetables in which case there's really no need at all to carb-count or worry about fibre mathematics.
Beans and legumes are high-carb in nature so if they're in your diet just eat them and enjoy them and don't worry too much about the nuances of their carb: fibre content.As long as the carbs in your diet are not from refined sugar/ processed grain sources then you're doing fine.0 -
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eclectichoney wrote: »So if beans have 20g of carbs and 7g of fibre, they really have 27g of carbs? Sorry if I have got it wrong, I'm a bit confused!
Here's an example.A manufacturer may list an item as having 10 grams of carbohydrates and 9 grams of fiber.
The dieter may assume that this item has an effective carb count of 1 gram.
But this is incorrect, since the manufacturer has already subtracted the fiber.
The food item actually had 19 grams of carbohydrates.
How do we know if the manufacturer has already subtracted the fiber?
By calculating the coloric composition of the food item.
The label in the above example would have stated 40 calories from 10 grams of carbs. Since 1 gram of carbs contains about 4 calories, this indicates that the fiber has alreay been subtracted (since the 40 calories account for 10 grams of carbs).
Had the label stated 19 grams of carbs, you would expect 76 calories. But since the label stated 40 calories, this confirms the fiber has already been subtracted.0 -
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Go Eileen, a woman after my own heart!
I can show you a website that shows that aliens are controlling our brains from mars but it doesn't make it true.
Those studies were 'correlations' ie they didn't factor in carbohydrate intake (off the top of my head I'm guessing it was above 100g a day) so I could make a study that people who combed there hair on the left have a higher rate of cancer, that's the flaw of epidemiological studies, the examination of the data is always skewed by the scientists preconceptions. The type of studies I trust are blind clinical trials, now if you showed me one of those, I'll send you 100 euro, but I'm confidant you can't, because there aren't any.
That website is the most dubious collection of information I've come across in a lifetime. If high fat is so bad then how come the Inuit don't get cancer or heart disease even though their diet comprises of 80% fat by calories?
Refined carbohydrate has been in our food for 200 years, meat and saturated fat for millions of years, what do you think we're more evolved to eat?0 -
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No need for all the carb hate, tehre is nothing wrong with 'good carbs'. Just avoid ones that are bad for you, which are rather obvious. Let's take starburst as an example.
What do ye make of that book?
http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?pid=412294&tab=1&agid=2
If anyone read it. What do you agree and disagree with?0 -
Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »No need for all the carb hate, tehre is nothing wrong with 'good carbs'. Just avoid ones that are bad for you, which are rather obvious. Let's take starburst as an example.
What do ye make of that book?
http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?pid=412294&tab=1&agid=2
If anyone read it. What do you agree and disagree with?
I think Starburst are a very fine example of bad carbs alright.
I am currently trying to replace the bad with the good. Haven't had a sandwich in 5 days for example.
Does anyone have a list of good carbs handy?
Am I right in saying that:
Processed/refined carbs=bad.
I am going to get that book I reckon.they/them/theirs
The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.
Noam Chomsky
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Define good carbs.
You mean the carbs in vegetables right?
Well vegatables (not potatoes) are naturally low in carbs.
The fruit we eat today is bred to be drastically sweeter than fruit of 50 years ago, up to 40% more sugar in some cases.
We are naturally heavier in winter, this is a response to the impending cold. We are designed to eat seasonal fruit in autumn, to build up a layer of winter padding. Fruit is designed to make us gain weight, so eating fruit all year round is a good way to get fat. Fructose is especially adept at accumulating belly fatScientists know that people who carry large amounts of fat around their middle are at a much greater risk of developing heart disease and diabetes.
New research suggests that fruit sugars, known as fructose, are more likely to cause this effect than other types.
The findings, highlighted by New Scientist magazine, could point to a factor behind the rise in the prevalence of some conditions in recent decades.
Fructose is found in fresh fruit, fruit juice and jams, but also in large quantities in soft drinks, many of which are made with high fructose corn syrup (HFCS).
Scientists tested the impact of a high fructose diet against one containing large amounts of other types of sugar.
They put 33 overweight and obese adults on a "normal" diet for 10 weeks, followed by another 10 weeks in which half the group received a quarter of their calories from fructose and the other half the same amount from glucose.
The findings show that both groups put on the same amount of weight, around 3.3 lb, over the 20 week experiment.
However, while those eating high amounts of fructose accumulated fat around their middle, in the glucose group extra weight was spread across the body.
Fructose also triggers your liver to produce tryglycerides, and high tryglycerides is a known risk factor for heart disease.
Tell me how your body distinguishes between glucose derived from brown rice as apposed to glucose derived from table sugar? Sure the brown rice might digest slower but it ends up as the same thing in the blood, glucose. Glucose raises insulin levels. Insulin is the fat storage hormone and triggers all calories floating around (including fat calories) to be stored as fat. That's why a high carb, high fat diet is so disastrous.
Not everyone will get fat and sick from eating carbs, just like not all people will get lung cancer from smoking cigarettes. Genetics plays a huge part.
So if your thin and you eat carbs, then you can handle them. But if you're fat, I can guarantee it's the carbs that did it, not the fat or the calories.
Also, as pretty as the 'eat less, move more' theory is, it's a gross oversimplification of how the body chemistry works. When insulin levels are high (they are always chronically elevated in an obese person) the corresponding hormone 'glucogen' is low. Glucogen is the energy release hormone, it says 'release the fat from it's stores to the cells that needed. In obese people, glucogen is chronically low, therefore sapping them of all their energy and causing them to eat more as their body is literally starved of energy as insulin is storing calories all the time and glucogen doesn't get high enough to let them out. So the body triggers a need for energy, ergo hunger, while simultaneously keeping energy levels low. So people are 'lazy and greedy' because they're fat, not the other way around.
I was technically obese before I started living low carb. I didn't intentionally exercise, but once I cut the carbs, my body craved activity as glucogen started elevating and releasing a tonne of energy from my fat stores into my cells. If I wasn't exercising, I would not be able to stop fidgeting
The body is exceptionally good at homoeostasis. By this I mean, maintaining the status quo. This goes for regulating body heat, salt in the bloodstream and weight. Look at animals in the wild, when they have an abundance of food, do they get fat? No, they multiply
But the introduction of large amounts of unnatural food, by which I mean grains, which your body is not evolved to deal with in the quantities we eat them, has caused an imbalance in hormones, which leads to obesity, heart-disease and type 2 diabetes. It's no coincidence that the three of these conditions are often found in the same people. Could it be they have the same root cause?
A great book is 'The Diet Delusion' by Gary Taubes. He did 7 years of scientific research on the subject. It's designed to be read by doctors so it's very dense, but a fascinating read.0 -
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Define good carbs.
You mean the carbs in vegetables right?
Well vegatables (not potatoes) are naturally low in carbs.
The fruit we eat today is bred to be drastically sweeter than fruit of 50 years ago, up to 40% more sugar in some cases.
We are naturally heavier in winter, this is a response to the impending cold. We are designed to eat seasonal fruit in autumn, to build up a layer of winter padding. Fruit is designed to make us gain weight, so eating fruit all year round is a good way to get fat. Fructose is especially adept at accumulating belly fat
Fructose also triggers your liver to produce tryglycerides, and high tryglycerides is a known risk factor for heart disease.
Tell me how your body distinguishes between glucose derived from brown rice as apposed to glucose derived from table sugar? Sure the brown rice might digest slower but it ends up as the same thing in the blood, glucose. Glucose raises insulin levels. Insulin is the fat storage hormone and triggers all calories floating around (including fat calories) to be stored as fat. That's why a high carb, high fat diet is so disastrous.
Not everyone will get fat and sick from eating carbs, just like not all people will get lung cancer from smoking cigarettes. Genetics plays a huge part.
So if your thin and you eat carbs, then you can handle them. But if you're fat, I can guarantee it's the carbs that did it, not the fat or the calories.
Also, as pretty as the 'eat less, move more' theory is, it's a gross oversimplification of how the body chemistry works. When insulin levels are high (they are always chronically elevated in an obese person) the corresponding hormone 'glucogen' is low. Glucogen is the energy release hormone, it says 'release the fat from it's stores to the cells that needed. In obese people, glucogen is chronically low, therefore sapping them of all their energy and causing them to eat more as their body is literally starved of energy as insulin is storing calories all the time and glucogen doesn't get high enough to let them out. So the body triggers a need for energy, ergo hunger, while simultaneously keeping energy levels low. So people are 'lazy and greedy' because they're fat, not the other way around.
I was technically obese before I started living low carb. I didn't intentionally exercise, but once I cut the carbs, my body craved activity as glucogen started elevating and releasing a tonne of energy from my fat stores into my cells. If I wasn't exercising, I would not be able to stop fidgeting
The body is exceptionally good at homoeostasis. By this I mean, maintaining the status quo. This goes for regulating body heat, salt in the bloodstream and weight. Look at animals in the wild, when they have an abundance of food, do they get fat? No, they multiply
But the introduction of large amounts of unnatural food, by which I mean grains, which your body is not evolved to deal with in the quantities we eat them, has caused an imbalance in hormones, which leads to obesity, heart-disease and type 2 diabetes. It's no coincidence that the three of these conditions are often found in the same people. Could it be they have the same root cause?
A great book is 'The Diet Delusion' by Gary Taubes. He did 7 years of scientific research on the subject. It's designed to be read by doctors so it's very dense, but a fascinating read.
So are you saying to eat no carbs at all or are you saying only eat the carbs found in vegtables? Eat no fruit?
Up until a week ago I had a very high carb diet. I am fat, not offically obese but fat. I am very physically active, by anyones measure I reckon, I do strenuous excercise 5-6 days a week and have been for about 4 months. On average in the 8 months prior to this I was excercising 3-4 days a week. But I am still fat i.e. 20% bodyfat. Does this mean my body is bad at handling a high carb diet? I think so.
My biggest question is this: Is it the type of carbs that I was eating my body can't handle or is it carbs full stop. Is there any way of finding out? If I eat just 'good' carbs from vegtables will it make any difference to me?
Its very bamboozling, very bamboozling indeed.they/them/theirs
The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.
Noam Chomsky
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I was asking you to give opinions on some points, not saying if I agreed or disagreed with what the books say, I haven't even read it, let alone took it as fact. I am interested to see if it was worth reading. Please don't lose respect for an argument I haven't made
I asked which do you disagree with, you said 4 and 8, that's what i asked. As for not believing abook because the author eats meat or does not is not a good reason, it's teh facts I am interested in.0 -
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