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Tall People Flying !
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05-07-2008 3:46pm#1
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I didn't know you did have to pay extra?
Let me explain, I do not fit in an economy seat, my feet do not touch the ground as my knees are stuck somewhere near the table, and if the guy/girl tries to move their seat back during the fight I am screwed ! and before anyone suggests putting my legs out in the aisle, this is assuming I can get an aisle seat and its not practical or comfortable, not to mention safe for others or the trolley cant get past. on long haul flight my chances of DVT are increased as my legs are squashed from the start... so please
take this as read..
Now the only way out is to pre-book an emergency seat..
Our national carrier charges 30 euros for this service for a round trip to say London !0 -
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Look at it this way OP. While you have to pay for leg room on flights, short people may have to fork out for step-ladders to reach things that are high up - you don't. Short people have to ask for help with reaching high things in supermarkets - you don't. If there's a really big puddle, you can step over it - they can't. If you're at a gig or club, you have an infinitely better chance of being able to see and/or find your friends if/when you get separated. I realise that only one of these things is of monetary value, but take some comfort in the others!!
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Look at it this way OP. While you have to pay for leg room on flights, short people may have to fork out for step-ladders to reach things that are high up - you don't. Short people have to ask for help with reaching high things in supermarkets - you don't. If there's a really big puddle, you can step over it - they can't. If you're at a gig or club, you have an infinitely better chance of being able to see and/or find your friends if/when you get separated. I realise that only one of these things is of monetary value, but take some comfort in the others!!
Brilliant LOL but there are flaws, the finding a friend at a gig only works if they are tall or have a rather unique bald spot on their head !
and for all the other items mentioned you dont get charged 30 euros 0 -
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Do they go to LA ? JFK in NY ? :P
Yep, I can see how this is going to go !!!:D:confused:;):rolleyes:0 -
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If you didnt have the option of pre-booking the emergency exit then you wouldn't be able to be sure you could get it so you should be glad you can pre-book it - even though it is expensive.A friend of a friends sister-in-law mothers brother.. OK its me
Why do tall people, I mean really tall people 6ft 6in have to pay for leg room on flights ? its genetic ! I cant help it !0 -
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If you didn't have the option of pre-booking the emergency exit then you wouldn't be able to be sure you could get it so you should be glad you can pre-book it - even though it is expensive.
I am so glad that I pay an additional 30 euros each time
You clearly are not tall and if you are you clearly don't travel a lot
Regarding the "fat" people. Personally I believe if its medical or genetic, (don't know a lot about been overweight" but if its a medical situation as opposed to "who ate all the pies" then why should they pay for an additional seat ? could be simply sorted with a letter from your doctor ! I suppose.. either way, I dont need a doctors note I am just tall ! the human race is getting taller, I am simply ahead of my time !
Next we will be charging for wheelchairs.... O, we did do that didn't we LOL until someone stood up (figuratively) and complained !
Regarding the long haul you are in fact correct.. the seat configuration gives you some additional leg room.. not a lot but its bearable just...
I am simply saying that its descrimination !
If I was blind my dog would be allowed ! 0 -
Im only about 6' 1" but I travel at least twice a month on an aeroplane.I am so glad that I pay an additional 30 euros each time
You clearly are not tall and if you are you clearly don't travel a lot
Which do you prefer - the ryanair way of every man for himself or the aerlingus way of giving an option of pre-booking a seat well in advance of the flight at a cost? or what do you suggest the airlines do?
I am not trying to justify their charge but its really the same difference when it comes down to it. You are always going to have problems being either much taller than average or much smaller than average (the average being about 5' 7/8")0 -
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Axer,
I am at a loss here. maybe you could clear up a few points, you said above you are not justifying the airlines position.. but you go on to say basically I should accept it ? may I ask you a simple direct question.
Do you in fact agree with the charge or not ?
and at 6ft 1in do you fit comfortably into a domestic seat ?
as for the charges they are in fact relatively new...
I refer back to the times when wheelchair charges were introduced..
you also mention the measuring of people.. at my height its obvious even to a blind person (my voice is heard form above) that I am quite tall. so no need to think for one minute that I am going to fit in a standard seat..
so, I get charged for been genetically tall.. Lets be fair and charge the blind people for their dogs.. you are not suggesting that is right ?
I travel a lot myself.. I'm a travel photographer among other things.
Not directed at your good self, and I have mentioned it before here on boards. But I often come across many people who simply argue the opposite to whatever the way a discussion is going.. To me I am discriminated for something I cant help. I am tall.. why cant we go after the blind folks as well its only fair after all. :rolleyes:
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Well, if you want/have to fly with aerlingus then you have to accept it. The only way that it will change however is if it more hassle than it is worth to them.Axer,
I am at a loss here. maybe you could clear up a few points, you said above you are not justifying the airlines position.. but you go on to say basically I should accept it ?
No in one way, yes in another.may I ask you a simple direct question.
Do you in fact agree with the charge or not ?
No, because I think it is a bit money grabbing exercise to charge for those seats considering aerlingus are still not that cheap of an airline and thus are not passing on the savings to their customers. I could understand ryanair doing it since you could buy a flight from them and pay the extra charges for the emergency exit seat and still come out cheaper than aerlingus.
Yes, because they are firstly looking at supply vs demand and see that there is a demand there (and obviously low supply) and also because it is the only way of making sure you get that seat if you really need it since before this you could pick your seat online or at the airport thus the seats with extra leg room would be gone very quickly if you didnt have to pay for them
I usually fly with Ryanair (30") but 2 days ago I flew with aerlingus (32"). I fit into both fine however it would be great to be able to stretch my legs but you get what you pay for thus I accept that. I also took a citylink bus to dublin airport. That journey was longer than the flight I took and had less legroom from what I could tell thus it doesnt bother me too much about the leg room in the aeroplane.and at 6ft 1in do you fit comfortably into a domestic seat ?
So where is the line between when a person should get a seat with extra leg room or not? 6' 1", 6' 2", 6' 3"...?you also mention the measuring of people.. at my height its obvious even to a blind person (my voice is heard form above) that I am quite tall. so no need to think for one minute that I am going to fit in a standard seat..
I don't think you are getting charged for being genetically tall. I think airlines have looked at the average size of a human and the amount of seats they can fit in and settled on a leg room distance as a result i.e. what customers would accept. 32 inches is a very common size.so, I get charged for been genetically tall.. Lets be fair and charge the blind people for their dogs.. you are not suggesting that is right ?
Can you actually fit into a normall airlingus 32" seat?
I am not arguing just for the sake of arguing but from a business point of view I see why they are charging. Also since it is the only way you are going to guarantee to get that seat since otherwise it would more than likely be booked straight away since very few are willing to pay the extra bit. Also there is no point giving out about something without giving a viable alternative method - that is why I ask the questions.Not directed at your good self, and I have mentioned it before here on boards. But I often come across many people who simply argue the opposite to whatever the way a discussion is going.. To me I am discriminated for something I cant help. I am tall.. why cant we go after the blind folks as well its only fair after all. :rolleyes:
I think being blind is somehow a little more inconvenient than being tall.
It is going to be a hard fought battle since most accept it because they are not as tall as you.If we accept it then we deserve it..0 -
which we are not in.
What about those checking in online or via the computers they have set up?
The length of legs is not the only reason why someone would need extra leg room. Conditions whereby someone is prone to blood clots; conditions such as arthritis whereby the person might need to stretch their legs to help with the pain; conditions that make it hard for the person to get in and out of their seat. Im sure there are more even deserving conditions that I don't know about.
I can see this is truly going nowhere, so I will leave you with this..
You cant sit in an emergency seat unless you are medically sound..
try any of the above and you will be instantly excluded from one at an emergency door.
Cheers for your thoughts folks.. I am in fact going to try to get some advice regarding the legality of this. should be interesting..0 -
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Can't believe this took 48 mins to come up
only took a few seconds for me, i'd check your connection if i were you
not particular tall my self, but will still try and get the emergancey seats my self, or if flying aer lingus, will select them on the self check in, just purely from a comfort point of view0 -
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The emergency exit seats are not the only seats with extra leg room.You cant sit in an emergency seat unless you are medically sound..
try any of the above and you will be instantly excluded from one at an emergency door.
What could be illegal about it?Cheers for your thoughts folks.. I am in fact going to try to get some advice regarding the legality of this. should be interesting..
There is no point giving out unless you have viable alternative ideas as to how it should work. You never answered at what height should people be offered the seats with extra leg room in your opinion?0 -
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What if there was a plane-load of people going to a tall people's convention. Who gets the seats then? Picture the carnage.
In all seriousness though, i do think there is an issue here. Not sure of a viable way to solve it though.Brilliant LOL but there are flaws, the finding a friend at a gig only works if they are tall or have a rather unique bald spot on their head !
and for all the other items mentioned you dont get charged 30 euros
Hey, a good sturdy step-ladder for those hard to reach kitchen cupboards can be upwards of €30! As can heel lifts or those shoes that make you look taller.0 -
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The emergency exit seats are not the only seats with extra leg room.
What could be illegal about it?
There is no point giving out unless you have viable alternative ideas as to how it should work. You never answered at what height should people be offered the seats with extra leg room in your opinion?
OK. I give up this is so ridiculous its comical.
Its not discrimination, its completely right that I am charged for my height. GOD made me tall and I should pay for it. its morally and ethically correct and I am thankful that they in fact don't charge more. They should re-introduce the wheelchair charges. they were right and society was wrong, and in addition, charge for people who use bottled oxygen, after all that is very heavy indeed and why should they carry it for you! so what if you need it to live? why is that the national carriers problem, geeze if they allow this they might make it comfortable for their passengers. heaven forbid.
You are right the emergency exits are not the only seats with leg room. and the airline is right to charge for all of them as well ! in fact the current situation of paying for your seat and knowing what your seat position is also correct. you in fact cant pick any seat without paying for it, this is a relatively new charge. Not sure with your logic if it escaped your attention that all seats pre-booked incur a charge. the leg room seats incur additional charges. but you know that with your flying twice a month.
I am wrong to think that anything can change, and what was that idiot thinking that took them on regarding wheelchair charges thinking.. he spoiled it for the airline. the nerve of him. he should be forced to pay the 15 each way charge to get him on board. cheeky bugger. what was illegal about it ? it wasnt descrimination, that would be illegal(imagine that), they were not saying " you wre born disabled and have to pay for it" they are simply saying if you are born tall you have to pay for it.. in fact they were saying both until someone stood up ( no pun intended) and said this is wrong LOL
I should not complain, I should just accept the situation, I should not seek any advice regarding the situation ! Who the hell do I think I am ? why do I think I could legally change the situation ?
And for the question regarding height,, I think anyone over 4ft should be charged.. its only right form a national airline to introduce any charges they like ! and it would net them a fortune. and people would accept it. well the people under 4ft would and the irish always do the majority of irish people are doormats very little backbone and little stomach for a fight ! I am irish by the way
I am truly sorry for my opinions and have learn so much from your good self. somethings are not worth speaking up about and this is one, I have no idea how to sort it (revert to old system without charges) no idea whats so ever, its far to complicated for me. if duffy cercus can stop tall people getting on certain rides that are 2 tall or 2 small then its beyond our national carrier. just designate the leg room seats to the first 12-20 people who present themselves and are very tall ! unless as stated its a freak show flight it should work !
Thank you and please accept my humblest apologies ! You and I will continue to fly around the place, you taking 2 flights a month and my own schedual of flights, we wont say anything, it doesnt effect you and heaven forbid I would say anything.. the last time I did they decided to ask me to leave the flight. I did, but then my memory failed and I couldnt describe my luggage... fancy that. even if they had hand scanned all the luggage and located it, its possible I might have said "thats not my bag, its been labeled wrong" and as we all know a flight cant fly with the luggage of someone not on board..
Strange thing, they then asked me to instantly re-board and organised a seat, that I had in fact requested in the first place..
May god grant my wish and allow Ryan-air control of Irelands national Airline.
It would be cheaper and then he will no doubt instantly change the seat size to a smaller dimension ! and rip out anything else that is comfortable !
We truly deserve what we are prepared to accept
On a serious note, I have decided after reading some of the crap on here to simply insist on upgrades regarding my clients. So I wont be paying for it and I will perpetuate the belief that the airlines can get away with anything ! next charge will be for babies buggies ! its right to charge, you know it !
Laughing my head off like a madman !
Buying a boat from adverts.ie !
please feel free to quote one sentence above and build a logical argument around it 0 -
OK. I give up this is so ridiculous its comical.
Its not discrimination, its completely right that I am charged for my height. GOD made me tall and I should pay for it. its morally and ethically correct and I am thankful that they in fact don't charge more. They should re-introduce the wheelchair charges. they were right and society was wrong, and in addition, charge for people who use bottled oxygen, after all that is very heavy indeed and why should they carry it for you! so what if you need it to live? why is that the national carriers problem, geeze if they allow this they might make it comfortable for their passengers. heaven forbid.
You are right the emergency exits are not the only seats with leg room. and the airline is right to charge for all of them as well ! in fact the current situation of paying for your seat and knowing what your seat position is also correct. you in fact cant pick any seat without paying for it, this is a relatively new charge. Not sure with your logic if it escaped your attention that all seats pre-booked incur a charge. the leg room seats incur additional charges. but you know that with your flying twice a month.
I am wrong to think that anything can change, and what was that idiot thinking that took them on regarding wheelchair charges thinking.. he spoiled it for the airline. the nerve of him. he should be forced to pay the 15 each way charge to get him on board. cheeky bugger. what was illegal about it ? it wasnt descrimination, that would be illegal(imagine that), they were not saying " you wre born disabled and have to pay for it" they are simply saying if you are born tall you have to pay for it.. in fact they were saying both until someone stood up ( no pun intended) and said this is wrong LOL
I should not complain, I should just accept the situation, I should not seek any advice regarding the situation ! Who the hell do I think I am ? why do I think I could legally change the situation ?
And for the question regarding height,, I think anyone over 4ft should be charged.. its only right form a national airline to introduce any charges they like ! and it would net them a fortune. and people would accept it. well the people under 4ft would and the irish always do the majority of irish people are doormats very little backbone and little stomach for a fight ! I am irish by the way
I am truly sorry for my opinions and have learn so much from your good self. somethings are not worth speaking up about and this is one, I have no idea how to sort it (revert to old system without charges) no idea whats so ever, its far to complicated for me. if duffy cercus can stop tall people getting on certain rides that are 2 tall or 2 small then its beyond our national carrier. just designate the leg room seats to the first 12-20 people who present themselves and are very tall ! unless as stated its a freak show flight it should work !
Thank you and please accept my humblest apologies ! You and I will continue to fly around the place, you taking 2 flights a month and my own schedual of flights, we wont say anything, it doesnt effect you and heaven forbid I would say anything.. the last time I did they decided to ask me to leave the flight. I did, but then my memory failed and I couldnt describe my luggage... fancy that. even if they had hand scanned all the luggage and located it, its possible I might have said "thats not my bag, its been labeled wrong" and as we all know a flight cant fly with the luggage of someone not on board..
Strange thing, they then asked me to instantly re-board and organised a seat, that I had in fact requested in the first place..
May god grant my wish and allow Ryan-air control of Irelands national Airline.
It would be cheaper and then he will no doubt instantly change the seat size to a smaller dimension ! and rip out anything else that is comfortable !
We truly deserve what we are prepared to accept
On a serious note, I have decided after reading some of the crap on here to simply insist on upgrades regarding my clients. So I wont be paying for it and I will perpetuate the belief that the airlines can get away with anything ! next charge will be for babies buggies ! its right to charge, you know it !
Laughing my head off like a madman !
Buying a boat from adverts.ie !
please feel free to quote one sentence above and build a logical argument around it
You'll have the exact same problem on the Train, Bus, Tram, Taxi, Ferry and Tuc Tucs. So if you want to go on a crusade you can, but TS to be honest.
People that are claustrophoic could have the same argument, or make up any sort of crazy sh*t that just isn't 'their fault'
Living in a Land of tall ppl (The Netherlands) , tbh your argument holds no weight.
Whats next .. Trains specially kitted out for the left handed ...
You can always chance your arm, but i don't really see it as a consumer issue when thats just the way it is.
Dutch airlines have had the problem before, and have indeed refused to let people fly that have caused an issue as they cannot guarantee adequate facilities.0 -
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Who mentioned disabilities ? the issue is discrimination not disabilities. the wheelchair individual was discriminated against...
And I have in fact answered all of your questions. Everyone of them. some of them more than once
Which leads me to believe that there is in fact only one of us reading the others posts..
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You'll have the exact same problem on the Train, Bus, Tram, Taxi, Ferry and Tuc Tucs. So if you want to go on a crusade you can, but TS to be honest.
People that are claustrophoic could have the same argument, or make up any sort of crazy sh*t that just isn't 'their fault'
Living in a Land of tall ppl (The Netherlands) , tbh your argument holds no weight.
Whats next .. Trains specially kitted out for the left handed ...
You can always chance your arm, but i don't really see it as a consumer issue when thats just the way it is.
Dutch airlines have had the problem before, and have indeed refused to let people fly that have caused an issue as they cannot guarantee adequate facilities.
Could you explain some of this..
From the top..
Trains bus trams .. TS.. I assume TS is an insult.. etc....etc...
What is the point here.. we are in fact discussing a service (planes) that have the faculty to accommodate tall people but in fact charge for it. that in my eyes is discrimination. The seats on planes are not put in for tall people that is in fact a bi-product of safety hello..
People that are claustrophobic could have the same argument, or make up any sort of crazy sh*t that just isn't 'their fault' ??
NO IDEA WHAT THIS MEANS .. truly..
Living in a Land of tall ppl (The Netherlands) , tbh your argument holds no weight.
Again no idea what this has to do with anything..
Whats next .. Trains specially kitted out for the left handed ...
are left handed people uncomfortable or in higher danger of illness on trains ? (DVT) lost here again. please explain the wisdom.
You can always chance your arm, but i don't really see it as a consumer issue when thats just the way it is.
Consumer = me. I have an issue.. its a consumer issue.. Do you think I am the only person who has a problem with this ?
Dutch airlines have had the problem before, and have indeed refused to let people fly that have caused an issue as they cannot guarantee adequate facilities
ok.......... I have traveled with dutch airlines.. I am completely lost here AGAIN. are you saying that they don't fly tall people? or people who complain ? I think you might find that its Illegal to refuse travel based on your height or the fact that you complain.. I am working on the principle that the Netherlands (heading there in Oct) is part of the European union. yep, its part of EU ... hmummmm so I am dying to hear this..
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Who mentioned disabilities ? the issue is discrimination not disabilities. the wheelchair individual was discriminated against...Next we will be charging for wheelchairs.... O, we did do that didn't we LOL until someone stood up (figuratively) and complained !If I was blind my dog would be allowed !
I think you did - or did you not read your own posts?I refer back to the times when wheelchair charges were introduced..
On what grounds are you being discriminated against?
Here is a list to choose from:- Gender - well it can't be gender unless you want to argue that men are on average taller thus men are more discriminated than women since you believe taller people are discriminated against.
- Marital status - are married men taller?
- Family status - are those with a family taller?
- Religion - are catholics taller than, say, protestants?
- Sexual orientation - are homosexuals taller than straight people?
- Age - could age be a factor?
- Disability - cant be this since I don't think being 6' 6" is a recognised disability.
- Race (including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origins) or - are Irish people discriminated against over the smaller Japanese?
- Membership of the Traveler community. - Are travelers taller than settled folk?
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/employment/equality-in-work/equality_authority/
Maybe you have a better list?
If you believe you have a case then contact:
Equality Tribunal
3 Clonmel Street
County:
Dublin 2
Country:
IRELAND
Tel: +353 (0)1 4774100
Locall: 1890 344424
Fax: +353 (0)1 4774141
Homepage:
http://www.equalitytribunal.ie/
Email:
info@equalitytribunal.ieThe Equality Authority is an independent state body in Ireland set up to ensure that all citizens in the country are treated equally and to ensure that discrimination on certain grounds does not occur.
There are two distinct pieces of legislation in place in Ireland which set out important rights for citizens and specifically outlaw discrimination when it occurs. The Employment Equality Act 1998 and the Equal Status Act 2000 as amended by the Equality Act 2004 (pdf) outlaw discrimination in employment, vocational training, advertising, collective agreements, the provision of goods and services and other opportunities to which the public generally have access. Specifically, service providers, agencies, and anyone providing opportunities to which the public have access, cannot discriminate against citizens on nine distinct grounds. (see above)
Well you said people over 4ft should be charged - so why are you on here complaining then?And I have in fact answered all of your questions. Everyone of them. some of them more than once
Exactly, and it doesn't seem to be you.Which leads me to believe that there is in fact only one of us reading the others posts..
You will not get very far with your quest if you give up this easily!Honestly I am done discussing this ! truly 0 - Gender - well it can't be gender unless you want to argue that men are on average taller thus men are more discriminated than women since you believe taller people are discriminated against.
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Sorry, I was using the English definition of the word ! Sorry if I threw you with that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination
Explaining all of this to you is boring the hell out of me ! truly.
Its not a conversation, its not an educated argument, its simply a waste of both of our times. I wish to do you a personal favour, see last point below.
I think my complain it possibly covered under natural justice.
I say it again. you were not reading my posts. You didn't see that I answered all your questions. I did in fact answer them all...
I am "again" done with this matter. You are right and I conceed everything to you.. hope that helps..
I have already posted that I have come up with a solution to my problem that is free to me !
So, in the grand "Irish" tradition... I AM ALRIGHT JACK ! Feel free to enjoy your economy seat, or upgrade or paying for a designated seat.. I am looking after myself
I told you earlier on about people who need to take the opposite position at infinitium... its all over Boards. you are not one of those.(obviously). People post really worrying things and really personal things.. and other people post replies with "ITS YOUR FAULT" (very helpful) there are are also people who feel the need to post the LAST WORD.. you are also not one of those.. neither am I as I am about to prove.
Big thank you. its been very education and extremely helpful to know you think its OK for the charge.. I just have not met anyone in the "real" world who does. (non INTERNET)
If I missed anything please don't let me know and put it down to my stupidity.
But out of mutual respect I conceed and invite you to reply to this knowing I wont reply to you...
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A friend of a friends sister-in-law mothers brother.. OK its me
Why do tall people, I mean really tall people 6ft 6in have to pay for leg room on flights ? its genetic ! I cant help it !
Pay for leg room? Dont be giving Michael O Leary any ideas will ya LOL
I'm over 6' 5 so I know what its like to have someone in front put their seat waaaay back and I'm snookered for the whole flight until just before landing when the seat must be put in the upright position.
I, where possible, will request a bulkhead seat or one near an emergency exit where there is a good bit of extra legroom. Aer Lingus planes seem to be better than Ryanair planes as far as legroom goes, must be O Leary squeezing more seats into his planes thus they are more tightly packed!0 -
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