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Pistol Refusal by High Court Judge ?
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Don't be too sad - it means the Gardai are saying "here, this kind of shooting's fine, why don't you do it?". Which is a marked improvement on a while back when they were saying "Shooting? Feck off, that's far too dangerous for anyone but us and the army - what are you, a terrorist or a bank robber or both?". That is progress, even if not as much as we'd like - but it implies that given enough time, they'll come round. Granted, we may all have gray hair by then, but still......
Oylympic shooting would be fine if I wanted to do it. But unfortuantely, I don't have reasonable access to anywhere that does it
They seem to be saying unless it's Olympic type shooting there is something wrong with it though :eek: Good for the Olympic shooters but what about the rest of us
And it has been admitted here that Olympc shooters are a very small minority of the shooting community.
Be a bad reflection on the establishment if it frowned on anything Olympic really, even shooting0 -
bunny shooter wrote: »Oylympic shooting would be fine if I wanted to do it. But unfortuantely, I don't have reasonable access to anywhere that does it
They seem to be saying unless it's Olympic type shooting there is something wrong with it though :eek: Good for the Olympic shooters but what about the rest of us
And it has been admitted here that Olympc shooters are a very small minority of the shooting community.
Indeed they are, but since the Olympics are on the telly (even if the shooting rarely is) and the other types of shooting are rarely seen by non-shooters it's easier for a Superintendent to relate to. There's an element of the familiar about it.
There's probably also an element of "Well, if they let it into the Olympics it must be safe" about it too.
At the end of the day, many Superintendents and FAOs won't see firearms outside the "criminal weapon" or "farmer's shotgun" classes so it's not surprising that they view the unfamiliar as dangerous.bunny shooter wrote: »Be a bad reflection on the establishment if it frowned on anything Olympic really, even shooting
Well, they frowned on all the Olympic/ISSF pistol shooters until very recently.0 -
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Grizzly 45 wrote: »Point is;It is a concern but I have always wonderd on this,how do they know you have guns?
Who is going to tell the criminal class that you have firearms???You hardly have a big sign up saying Gun owner lives here.So this is always the one that I am baffled about.
I live in a small country town.
My next door neighbours son is doing time for armed robbery etc
Locals probably know I shoot, not necessarily with what though. Every time I leave house with firearm it's in a case, so they have fair idea it's a firearm but not what type.0 -
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Everyone seems to miss this small point. They're talking about pistols which can be used in the Olympics (ie., ones that conform to the Olympic rules for pistols - 8.4, 8.16 and 8.17 here). That includes things like the walther GSPs and feinwerkbau AW93s, but it also includes ruger Mk2s and browning buckmarks, and a host of others. All of which you could use under ISSF rules in a match, even if it'd leave you hopelessly outclassed by other people's kit. And all you need to shoot ISSF 25m pistol is a backstop, a paper target and a place to stand (preferably 25 metres away, but you could also stand closer and used reduced scale targets for training purposes).bunny shooter wrote: »Oylympic shooting would be fine if I wanted to do it. But unfortuantely, I don't have reasonable access to anywhere that does it
Everyone seems to think that when they say "Olympic shooting" they mean standing up there with Ralf Schumann in Athens or something. That's not what it means (well, it is a part of it if you want it, but most don't).
You've a .22lr revolver, right bunny?Good for the Olympic shooters but what about the rest of us
Well, congratulations, you're an olympic shooter.
Nope. People who are shooting ISSF disciplines in a really competitive way are a very small minority of all shooters.And it has been admitted here that Olympc shooters are a very small minority of the shooting community.
However, all pistol shooters, treated as a single group, are a tiny minority of the shooting community (6,000 in total out of nearly 240,000 licences?) And all rifle shooters are a small minority of shooters (~70,000 out of 240,000). Shotgun is the majority discipline in Ireland (~160,000 out of 240,000). And if you lump the ICPSA shooters and the NARGC shooters in there as one, you find that they're a minority as well.
So who's the single biggest player in the shooting community?
The IFA.
Single-barrel shotguns used for blasting magpies lads, if you don't have one, you're in a minority...0 -
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*ahem*If money was no object, you'd appeal to the circuit court
Whoopsie. No, you wouldn't - under the CJA 2006 rules, you're appealing to the District Court, which means that the DC's judgement is final and binding. The sole exception is that you can appeal to the High Court if there's an error in a point of law in the DC judgement. (Appealing from the DC to the circuit court to the high court to the supreme court is the path taken by criminal cases)0 -
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Well, if you want a firearm whose main selling point is that it'll fire even after being stuck into mud, go right ahead. Me, I want a firearm whose main selling point is that the bullet or pellet goes into the same hole on the target every time
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What the UK now calls handguns are freaks ,neither fish nor fowl,to pass UK firearms laws. A handgun does generally not have a wrist brace,or a barrel over 12 ins.You are right,they havent been used in any crime,because they are too ungainly,and impossible to modify without destroying the gun from working properly.
NI,being a seperate entity,and with an unique political situation which can be argued had a bearing on the firearms rules,was always seperate from Westminister
Quote [Grizzly 45] Think Grizzly if you turn on the angle grinder and chop off 6" you will have something more compact, recrown job and mr criminal nut job won't care. Re NI all that matters is that they have never changed the law banning short pistols / highpowered rifles,they retained full rights to possess practice and use these firearms while we in the south lock ours up for 30 years.
[IMG]tp://www.severnsidearms.co.uk/assets/images/autogen/a_Ruger_Long_Barrel_Revolver_.jpg[/IMG]
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No, I mean they're irrelevant when you're filling out your application form. "Erra, but up north this isn't a problem" is not going to help you there. Pragmatism in spades will.Sparks you say the UK/Northern Ireland guns laws are irrelevant to quote here on boards
RTE can't stop you getting your cert, they're just trying to sell airtime and sex and violence sell - so you see lots of references to both on the news and since there's little sex in Irish target shooting, they try to lump violence in there instead, even when they have to import it to do so.but still RTE and the Judge can use them as a reference to stop legitimate shooters here getting a FAC for their firearm
The judge, sadly, can use out-of-jurisdiction references, because he's the judge.
No, we can quote any legal case or situation to make a point; but not to get a cert; and quoting cases from other jurisdictions is a poor argument.Here we have double standards again the Judge/RTE can quote any legal case or situation to get their point across but the Irish shooter cant. Hmmmm
Last I checked Mac, there was also a thriving air pistol scene in the UK.Mac Gunner wrote: »Sparks, reference was made that no pistols are available in the UK. Yes they are,12" pistols havent been used in crime in the uk.
If we were in the UK, you would just have been banned for encouraging an illegal act...How does anyone know unless one gets discovered by the UK police.
Please don't say that, because the immediate answer is "Gosh, you're correct. Well, have to fix that. Ban them as well, at once!"the point remains that for the criminal to rob one of these 12" revolvers and say its no use is patently wrong as the criminal will have no concerns in having the barrel reduced in lenght to suit his needs.
Not the 91/2inch barrel, but if you have the shorter barrel so the foresight and rearsight are less than 153mm apart, and it will fit (in any orientation at all) in a box that's 300x150x50mm in size, then yes, you can use it for 25m ISSFpistol events (there are several, one of which is on the olympic programme). If not, you can still use it (even with the 91/2 inch barrel) for 50m pistol, which is also on the olympic program.bunny shooter wrote: »It's a ruger single six, still classified "Olympic" ?
Welcome to the club!
Wrong. In fact, there are similarities in the appeals system for driving licences and for firearms licences in that both go to the District Court and both are decided upon there without appeal. That mechanism is there because of problems with the test.I dont think so sparks. Is it ever a problem for anyone who puts in for a driving licence? No.
There is a new testing setup now going in where everything is standardised to ISO standards and so on, but that's still not free from the human element. Besides which, the driving test is still far more distributed than what you're proposing (running all the licences through the one office), because there are testing centers all over the country.
I've been saying the same thing for years (though I thought the pilot's licence was a better model). Still though, let's look at the driving licence model. Under that model, you apply for your .308 and get told: Starting off with a fullbore rifle? Are you nuts? Start with an airgun, then progress when you've learnt if you still want to.Why cant we have the same system for firearms?
See, there's the problem for some. Having all the bits of the driving licence isn't popular. To be popular, you'd have to leave out the limits on what learners can drive, leave out the mandatory insurance and the road tax and the gardai traffic corps and the penalty points and the toll bridges and all that stuff. At which point, the question is why bother?
BECAUSE THEY'RE HUMAN. Just like you and me and everyone else in here. And some are more worried about being hauled over the coals because they gave out a firearm to someone they barely knew than others are.Instead we have some supers who seem to be related to Rev.Paisley and cry NEVER, NEVER, NEVER while the super in the next county will sit down with the person and talk and maybe come to an meeting point.0
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