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Glounthaune Midleton track laying underway

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    what's the speed limit on the road there? 50?
    The train is slooow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭deRanged


    The train is slooow.
    to be fair it's speed restricted there for the works. The usual average speed between Glounthaune and Cork is about 70 km/h.
    Allegedly opening July 27th.

    that's great news.

    there's a new sign up in Fota retail park advertising the line.
    spot the artistic license.
    3673045794_23aa4791f8.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,316 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    It seems a new station is going in there. http://www.fotaretailpark.com/


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 BJOD


    yeah, there is an official planning application gone in this week. Now if Irish rail got off their rear and invested the state subsidy into the revamp of Kent station to turn it around and face the quays that they were supposed to do years ago, we might actually start getting a 21st century service.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭invincibleirish


    Victor wrote: »
    It seems a new station is going in there. http://www.fotaretailpark.com/

    I read somewhere recently that the station in question is going to be called Carrigtwohill East. How cosmopolitan.

    And hasn't the line between Kent & Dunkettle always had restricted speed limits?.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    I find it hard to credit that IE can "drop" at this late stage a station into "Fota" (is this a Ryanair definition by the way?) and yet Oranmore has none, which might solve the chronic congestion in Galway at least some bit.

    What signalling/other design changes are likely to be required for a no-loop halt?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Looking at the map on www.fotaretailpark.com surely this new station is just the rebuilt Carrigtwohill Station? :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,316 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    dowlingm wrote: »
    I find it hard to credit that IE can "drop" at this late stage a station into "Fota" (is this a Ryanair definition by the way?) and yet Oranmore has none, which might solve the chronic congestion in Galway at least some bit.

    What signalling/other design changes are likely to be required for a no-loop halt?

    Oranmore is getting one. If the gombeen councillors didn't put the housing estates on the worng side of Oranmore, maybe it would have been built sooner. http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=53.266881~-8.928881&style=a&lvl=14&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1 The railway is where the white roofed factories are.

    I presume Fota Retail Park are paying for this one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 BJOD


    well, they would have to pay some development contributions towards it alright, its the usual, company applies for planning, city council try and levy everything they need money for in the next 12 months onto the applicant, applicant appeals to bord pleanala, objectors appeal to bord pleanala, bord pleanala is overloaded so takes months to decide and eventually its sorted. Possibly sitting down with the applicant day 1 and thrashing out a deal about the money never seems to happen or isnt provided for in legislation and should be,

    Does that mean all companies in the retail park would then have to contribute? not exactly encouraging business is it?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 842 ✭✭✭dereko1969


    dowlingm wrote: »
    I find it hard to credit that IE can "drop" at this late stage a station into "Fota" (is this a Ryanair definition by the way?) and yet Oranmore has none, which might solve the chronic congestion in Galway at least some bit.

    What signalling/other design changes are likely to be required for a no-loop halt?

    They're not dropping a station into it now, an application has just been made so it will be next year at the earliest before the station will be opened, Oranmore as stated is due to issues between Galway City Council and Galway County Council.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Victor wrote: »
    Oranmore is getting one. If the gombeen councillors didn't put the housing estates on the worng side of Oranmore, maybe it would have been built sooner. http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=53.266881~-8.928881&style=a&lvl=14&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1 The railway is where the white roofed factories are.

    I don't see your point, the most of the new housing in Oranmore is near the village centre, which is a better place than near where there isn't a railway station.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 842 ✭✭✭dereko1969


    I don't see your point, the most of the new housing in Oranmore is near the village centre, which is a better place than near where there isn't a railway station.
    the station has been planned for some time, would you rather they moved the railway line? where would you say most people living in oranmore are working/commuting to?


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    BJOD wrote: »
    yeah, there is an official planning application gone in this week. Now if Irish rail got off their rear and invested the state subsidy into the revamp of Kent station to turn it around and face the quays that they were supposed to do years ago, we might actually start getting a 21st century service.

    And how would that give us a 21st Century Service ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Oranmore has a station , it happens to be derelict but so what ??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    dereko1969 wrote: »
    They're not dropping a station into it now, an application has just been made so it will be next year at the earliest before the station will be opened, Oranmore as stated is due to issues between Galway City Council and Galway County Council.

    Usual bickering. Get someone in there and trash out a solution. One week is all it should take to sort out, then fast track the planning.

    Of course that would happen in my little dreamland.

    Honest to god they're adults, they can sort out a solution and not be big babies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    Usual bickering. Get someone in there and trash out a solution. One week is all it should take to sort out, then fast track the planning.

    Of course that would happen in my little dreamland.

    Honest to god they're adults, they can sort out a solution and not be big babies.
    You're joking right?
    Think of the issue of interference by Kilkenny County Council in the development of Waterford City because part of the city falls in Kilkenny,
    the interference of Clare County County and Limerick County Council in the development of Moyross by Limerick City Council, the development of the Grange by Fingal and the opposition from Dublin city council (or was it vice versa?)!

    Cork county council has OVER 30 councillors, and I'm sure Cork city has likewise, these people want control over their own fiefdom, and here's you talking as if they should put the ordinary person first.

    We've a population similar to the greater Manchester Area, yet we have a multiple of their councils/councillors. thats why it so difficult to get anything done unless you're in the stationary business, brown ones at that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,316 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    BJOD wrote: »
    well, they would have to pay some development contributions towards it alright, its the usual, company applies for planning, city council try and levy everything they need money for in the next 12 months onto the applicant, applicant appeals to bord pleanala, objectors appeal to bord pleanala, bord pleanala is overloaded so takes months to decide and eventually its sorted. Possibly sitting down with the applicant day 1 and thrashing out a deal about the money never seems to happen or isnt provided for in legislation and should be,

    Does that mean all companies in the retail park would then have to contribute? not exactly encouraging business is it?
    You might look at the Section 48/49 contribution schemes which spread the cost of council development over all new development.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Looking at the map on www.fotaretailpark.com surely this new station is just the rebuilt Carrigtwohill Station? :confused:

    Nope it's a new station alright.

    3707295239_d205ee99c7_o.jpg

    In the image I have marked the location of the newly built station as "Carrigtwohill Station" and the now proposed station as "New Station (proposed)". It is about 1.7 km from the newly built station. It is to be situated to the rear of the Fota Retail Park and the Carrigtwohill IDA estate.

    How cosmopolitan......TWO train stations in Carrig!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,316 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Does that make it Carrigtwostation?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    I read somewhere recently that the station in question is going to be called Carrigtwohill East. How cosmopolitan.

    And hasn't the line between Kent & Dunkettle always had restricted speed limits?.

    Just wondered. Why will it be called Carrigtwohill East when it'll be west of the old one?


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,316 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/general_news.asp?action=view&news_id=401
    Midleton line to open on July 30th by Corporate Communications

    Iarnród Éireann has confirmed that the new Cork-Midleton line will officially open to the public on Thursday 30th July.

    A day of celebration is planned, involving the local community and businesses, and travel on the new service will be free on that day.

    An initial introductory service will operate from Thursday 30th July to Bank Holiday Monday 3rd August inclusive, before the full commuter service begins on Tuesday 4th August.

    Physical work on the new line has been completed, following a €75 million investment in the infrastructure under the Government’s Transport 21 programme, part of the National Development Plan 2007-2013. Finishing works on station facilities are continuing, and driver training on the line is underway.

    A total of 21 trains each way will operate daily between Cork and Midleton, with services running every 30 minutes at peak times, and every hour at off-peak times, Monday to Friday. Seventeen trains each way will operate on Saturdays, and eight trains will operate each way on Sundays.


    Monday to Saturday Timetable

    From Cork: 06.15, 06.45*, 07.15, 07.45*, 08.15, 08.45*, 09.15, 10.15, 11.15, 12.15, 13.15, 14.15, 15.15, 16.15, 17.15, 17.45*, 18.15, 19.15, 20.15, 21.15, 22.15

    From Midleton: 06.45, 07.15*, 07.45, 08.15*, 08.45, 09.15*, 09.45, 10.45, 11.45, 12.45, 13.45, 14.45, 15.45, 16.45, 17.45, 18.15*, 18.45, 19.45, 20.45, 21.45, 22.45

    * = Mon-Fri only


    Sunday Timetable

    From Cork: 08.15, 10.15, 12.15, 14.15, 16.15, 17.15, 18.15, 20.15

    From Midleton: 08.45, 10.45, 12.45, 14.45, 16.45, 17.45, 18.45, 20.45


    Journey details – Commuter service, and Intercity connections

    Journey time between Midleton and Cork will be 23-24 minutes, and all trains will serve the new stations of Midleton and Carrigtwohill, as well as Glounthaune, Little Island and Kent Station Cork.

    As well as offering a strong commuter service, the new Midleton timetable will offer excellent connections to the Cork-Dublin Intercity service, maximising the benefit of this new infrastructure.

    The infrastructure also offers the potential to expand services in the future to every 15 minutes, as demand increases.

    Each train will be a two-carriage commuter train, with capacity for 320 passengers, including seating for 129 passengers. Platforms have also been built to accommodate future expansion to four-carriage trains.


    Fares for Midleton customers to Cork will be:

    Adult Single: €4.40
    Adult Return: €6.50
    Adult Weekly: €26.00
    Adult Monthly: €92.00
    Adult Annual: €920.00

    Monthly and annual customers are reminded that employees of companies registered with the Taxsaver scheme are entitled to tax relief on the cost of commuter tickets, of up to 51%. Full details are available on www.taxsaver.ie


    Car park charges at Midleton and Carrigtwohill Stations will be:

    €2 per day

    €8 per week

    €30 per 4 weeks


    Midleton line project

    The €75 million investment in the Midleton line includes:

    - upgrading track on the previously disused Glounthaune to Midleton line, through provision of a single track with a passing loop at Carrigtwohill

    - providing a new signalling system

    - provision of two new stations at Midleton and Carrigtwohill, including extensive car parking facilities (340 spaces and 180 spaces respectively), lifts and footbridges

    - the replacement of a range of level crossings with bridges

    - other infrastructure work including bridge, boundary and drainage works


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭deRanged


    Midleton Cork training run waiting just outside Glounthaune station for the Cobh/Cork train to pass :
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    As above with Cobh/Cork train passing in background:
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    2 videos:

    Midleton/Cork training run waiting just outside Glounthaune station for the Cork/Cobh train to pass, Cork/Cork train visible in background

    Midleton/Cork training run moves off towards Glounthaune station


  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Typewriter


    Opens today! Trains are free all day from 13:15 onwards!

    I'll be on the 19:15, looking forward to it. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭invincibleirish


    Think i'll head to this after work, is 7:15 the last train for today?

    (Finally after 5 years its open Hallelujah).


  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Typewriter


    No the last train today is at 20:15...
    arrow.gifGeneral News Midleton rail service: opens this Thursday 30th July - FREE TRAVEL ON THURSDAY! by Corporate Communications
    The new Cork-Midleton line will be officially opened by the Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey TD this Thursday 30th July.
    The Minister will travel with invited guests and the media on the first passenger train on the new line, opening the new stations at Carrigtwohill and Midleton itself.
    A day of celebration involving the local community and businesses is planned at Midleton Station with a giant barbecue. Stilt walkers and face painters there to entertain the children, local Cork band, Bog The Donkey providing the music and local business and food producers will showcase the best of local fare. It promises to be a fun day out for all the family.
    Free travel to the public, Thursday 30th July, from 13.15hrs
    Travel on the new service will be free to the public for the day on Thursday 30th July, with public services operating from 13.15hrs onwards.
    Full timetable details are available via our timetable search facility at www.irishrail.ie . Thursday services will operate as follows:
    Thursday 30th July
    From Cork: 13.15, 14.15, 15.15, 16.15, 17.15, 18.15, 19.15, 20.15
    From Midleton: 13.45, 14.45, 15.45, 16.45, 17.45, 18.45, 19.45, 20.45


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭deRanged


    Platform 2 for Midleton:
    3771815887_f4a08b8f12.jpg

    big crowds for the train:
    3772623902_a909bf5d9f.jpg

    Midleton train arrives in Glounthaune from Kent (28 minutes late):
    3771817263_f56fa3f8d2.jpg

    spot the problem with the upgrade of the line:
    3772625584_eaf2bfe447.jpg

    Video:
    Glounthaune station, train arrives from Midleton

    Glounthaune station, train goes to Midleton


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Just heard on Newstalk news, that some services on the new line will be by bus due to signaling issues......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Just heard on Newstalk news, that some services on the new line will be by bus due to signaling issues......

    That's old news - on the Rail Users Ireland site since 27/7/09.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Spare a thought for the poor sods in Youghal and those who may want to go there - it might be another 31 years at the speed things move! These two pics - the best part of 100 years apart show Youghal then and now.

    Youghal today.jpg

    Youghal railway-station-and-beach-1890s.jpg

    www.irishrailways.blogspot.com


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