RECENT STATE OF THE POKER FORUM

smurph

Like everyone else ive become p*issed off with the constant trolling of threads on Boards over the last couple of weeks. I was going to put up a post to get ideas obout trying to improve my game as I feel it is going backwards... in a rut so to speak. But instead of putting up a post I decided to re-read the "Poker Guide" on the top of the page... There are some brillant posts on it and definitely worth reading again and again.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=318504

I think that new posters should be encouraged to read this sticky.. It can be easily overlooked. I would also like to thank the people who took their time to write the articles.

We shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush folks and assume that a new poster is automatically a troll. Take the time to answer peoples questions instead of resorting to the usual "who the F*ck are you", "What have you won" type of responses.

At the bottom of the page there are 37 members and 37 guests, we should be encouraging the guests to become active members

Anyway waffle over

bantee

I think that the "newbie safe zone" in the theory section had to be created as a result of all the LOL and IBTL posts whenever genuine questions are asked.
I suppose its similar in other forums, but I find this one so handy for tips and strategies, and as long as a constructive post is put up, it is usually answered in a civil manner.

I agree though that a lot of trolling is creeping in lately which is both putting off new posters, and some of the regulars.

El Stuntman

Smurph, I think we should create a Seniors Poker Forum - no under 30s allowed....at least people will be able to spell there and we might have half an idea what they're on about

Actually come to think of it, a Seniors Casino would be a good idea too

damn, I feel old today

Flipper

Well said Collette. I can't speak for them but I know that it's the continued growth of trollers on this forum that have reduced/stopped the posting of a lot of the "old regs". It's the very reason I don't post a lot anymore.

Bandara

I'd imagine new posters are afraid to put up HH or ask for advice etc, as all that seems to be forthcoming in the past year are answers like "ridic standard", "easy fold", "this is retarded" and the more popular "this thread is so bad"

If the poster fully understood the situation they were asking for help on then they obviously would not have posted in the first place. If you think a question is 'so stoopid' that its beneath you answering then don't answer it if your only comment will be an unhelpful one.

Everyone has to learn. It took me months to realise that shoving all in over a raise in the 1st level of a tourney with a pair of sixes wasn't good play, even though I most likely seen it on the telly.


Edit - just to clarify, none of this is aimed at Collette in any way, its more a general observation why a new person will not register/post

roryc

Ban everyone with less than 500 posts imo

thedini

roryc-its because of stupid comments like that that the forum is going backwards.

bantee

thedini wrote: »

roryc-its because of stupid comments like that that the forum is going backwards.

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CourierCollie

Really don't think bringing in some ageist criteria is going to help. I'd easily qualify under the over 30 rule, but I still have the mental age of a 13 year old. Come to think of it my spelling and grammar was better when I was 13 too.

Ste05

Actually the problem is people reacting like that and then it gets all drawn out and gets stupid, it was quite obviously a joke that people seem to have taken the wrong way.

There has to be room for some light hearted banter and craic around here or else the place will get very dry and sterile. The theory forums should be like that, but not the main forum and tournament forums.

Report a post people have a problem with/ ignore the post/ put the poster on ignore/ PM a mod/ etc. etc. there's lots of options available, but reacting and mini modding is not the way to go.

Ste05

Tight Ted

thedini wrote: »

roryc-its because of stupid comments like that that the forum is going backwards.

I don't think Rory C is making a 'stupid comment', he's making an ironic comment about the some of the old 'aristocracy' of the poker forum having strange superiority complexes and an overwhelming sense of smugness.

I sometimes wonder have the posters here been on a general poker forum before? They're full of people joking around and having fun. Even twoplustwo, the biggest and most popular poker forum in the world. Unless you go to a specialised strategy section.

roryc

Ste05 wrote: »

Actually the problem is people reacting like that and then it gets all drawn out and gets stupid, it was quite obviously a joke that people seem to have taken the wrong way.

There has to be room for some light hearted banter and craic around here or else the place will get very dry and sterile. The theory forums should be like that, but not the main forum and tournament forums.

Report a post people have a problem with/ ignore the post/ put the poster on ignore/ PM a mod/ etc. etc. there's lots of options available, but reacting and mini modding is not the way to go.

Ste05

Exactly... It seems that SOME of the people that have joined over the last year are taking every post literally and have absolutely no sense of humour. I can think of 15-20 regulars that have stopped posting altogether due to the amount of new posters that come on here to argue for the sake of arguing, and cant grasp the concept of a joke.

Also agree with someones post from earlier in the week where every time someone makes a fool of themselves they pretend it was a level or some other muck... Its getting ridiculous

Oh, and I was DBC2007

Hank Scorpio

gotta agree with this post..
i was kinda shocked moving from another section of the forum to this one and some of the things i read

DubTony

roryc wrote: »

Oh, and I was DBC2007

Yup, knew it all along.
Thought you were dead.
Welcome back.

smurph

Maybe the forum is suffering because of it's popularity so to speak. Like poker, the poker forum probably needs to evolve aswell. It's hard to take critisism of your play etc., or ever worse your thought process in a hand, but to improve as a player you need to be willing to change....

One player Im going to give as an example is BCB. He has worked really hard on his game over the last 2 years and there has been a noticable difference in his play. He posted up hands for analysis and critisism, but he also made people explain their thought process in their posts on the hands etc., I just think that people have become lazy in their replies to threads. One liners etc., easy shove/fold etc., aren't exactly going to enlighten anyone, which results in "handbags at 40 paces" reactions....

I am also guilty of this and I very rarely if ever give opinions on hands that are posted etc., Maybe because I rarely play online, just satellites for live games etc., so I feel that I have limited experience.

I think that to get the best out of the poker forum you have to willing to contribute to it, more than "white noise" so to speak.

LuckyLloyd

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BOBBB

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Most hands posted are that simple: shove / fold pf / raise turn, etc.

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El Stuntman

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The trolls are annoying. But the forum has been on it's knees in terms of usefulness for quite some time imo.

you think this one is bad...try looking at the Lisbon Treaty one :eek:

whenever I want to be driven into a furious rage (surprisingly often), I just pop in there for five minutes. This forum just makes me laugh.

Hyzepher

To the non-regular, posting up HH or giving advice, at the moment, is a futile experience. At best you'll get one liner advice that to a new player or "inovice" player doesn't give enough information for them to improve.

If you post something that is obvious to a regular you'll more likely get a load of ****e posted back and your thread become meaningless - when all you are looking for is a helping hand when starting off.

If you look back on this forum to when it started, you'll see a whole load of newbie questions from now regulars that if they were posted now would be laughed at.

I guarentee that 99% of posters to this forum have huge improvements to make in their game and no one has a monopoly on the right play or even what is considered "clever" play or even "dumb" play.

The forum has got to the stage where it is nearly impossible to be a non-regular and improve your game here. And it's not because there isn't loads of good advice to be had - it's more that it's nearly impossible to keep the good threads on topic and meaningful.

smurph

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

On the same hand Collette, there should be no reason for a detailed and in depth explanation for every hand, or for every post to be paragraphs in length. People want to be spoonfed and have their hand held for them a lot of the time. Most hands posted are that simple: shove / fold pf / raise turn, etc.

The trolls are annoying. But the forum has been on it's knees in terms of usefulness for quite some time imo.

good point lloyd, and I know that some hands are more obvious than others, im was just using that as an example. What im trying to get accross is that instead of giving out about the forum maybe we should try to contribute more to it.

off topic, god I wish I was in Vegas right now, sigh....

RedJoker

smurph wrote: »

Like everyone else ive become p*issed off with the constant trolling of threads on Boards over the last couple of weeks. I was going to put up a post to get ideas obout trying to improve my game as I feel it is going backwards... in a rut so to speak. But instead of putting up a post I decided to re-read the "Poker Guide" on the top of the page... There are some brillant posts on it and definitely worth reading again and again.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=318504

There's a lot of stuff missing from it though, and a lot of non strat drama bomb stuff in there as well. I've started to put together some of the better threads, hopefully this can form a base for a sticky in the HHs and Theory section. If there's anything missing post a link to it or a general description and I'll try to find it.

Strategy
General 6max strategy – Fuzzbox and others.
Low stakes guide – phantom_lord
A few observations – Gholimoli
Continuation betting – ianmc38

Psychology
Changes – opr
Timing Tells and Observation – Requiem4adream
Think – zuutroy
You don’t think enough – TommyGunne

Maths
Overestimating Implied Odds – RedJoker

Bankroll Management
Bankroll building – pok3rplaya
Bankroll Management – pok3rplaya

Stats
Guide to PokerTracker and PAHud – RedJoker
W$WSF – RedJoker

3betting and 4betting
Calling 3bets – robinlacey
3betting light – Various
4-betting – Van Dice
A3o on the button – Various
Logical steps and adjustments when 3-betting and 4-betting – NickyOD and others.
QQ button on Blind hand – Various
Squeeze with KQ – Various
3betting a Loose Opener – Theresalwaysone and others.

Misc
Video Training Sites – RedJoker and others.

lee_arama

smurph wrote: »

Maybe the forum is suffering because of it's popularity so to speak. Like poker, the poker forum probably needs to evolve aswell. It's hard to take critisism of your play etc., or ever worse your thought process in a hand, but to improve as a player you need to be willing to change....

One player Im going to give as an example is BCB. He has worked really hard on his game over the last 2 years and there has been a noticable difference in his play. He posted up hands for analysis and critisism, but he also made people explain their thought process in their posts on the hands etc., I just think that people have become lazy in their replies to threads. One liners etc., easy shove/fold etc., aren't exactly going to enlighten anyone, which results in "handbags at 40 paces" reactions....

I am also guilty of this and I very rarely if ever give opinions on hands that are posted etc., Maybe because I rarely play online, just satellites for live games etc., so I feel that I have limited experience.

I think that to get the best out of the poker forum you have to willing to contribute to it, more than "white noise" so to speak.

Huzzah for speaking up! So many people on this forum assume that their style of poker is the be all and end all, and fail to acknowledge that other players have their own comfort zone in terms of limits and actions.

As an Omaha player I like to see as many flops as possible, reasoning that whenever I hit big I can make up for lost blinds. All too often though, when I posted a hand the comments were with regards how I 'butchered' it, or that I should have folded pre-flop. We all know, however, that poker is not about pure stats and percentiles. If it were we'd all have AA and never lose a hand.

Some of us have been playing longer than others and some of us have picked up our trade in different locales. I've been playing poker (Chopper would say 'butchering poker') for over 7 years now and while I've more experience than many here I still see a lack of constructive criticism from my would-be peers, but rather criticism for criticism's sake.

Would it be too much to ask that posters attempt to structure their posts with some modicum of grammatical accuracy? The extra half hour it takes some of the luddites to correctly punctuate a reply might lead to a more reasoned response overall and, in turn, reduce some of the needless vitriol we see so much of...

RasTa

El Stuntman wrote: »

you think this one is bad...try looking at the Lisbon Treaty one :eek:

whenever I want to be driven into a furious rage (surprisingly often), I just pop in there for five minutes. This forum just makes me laugh.

Seconded. I spend most of my time reading the European Union form now a days.I love reading about how we should just leave the EU and go are own way.

roryc

smurph wrote: »

good point lloyd, and I know that some hands are more obvious than others, im was just using that as an example. What im trying to get accross is that instead of giving out about the forum maybe we should try to contribute more to it.

off topic, god I wish I was in Vegas right now, sigh....

good post

El Stuntman

RasTa wrote: »

Seconded. I spend most of my time reading the European Union form now a days.I love reading about how we should just leave the EU and go are own way.

yes because we can survive on our, er, fish

it's twilight zone stuff

roryc

El Stuntman wrote: »

yes because we can survive on our, er, fish

it's twilight zone stuff

link? Not bothered looking for the forum...

El Stuntman

roryc wrote: »

link? Not bothered looking for the forum...

soc\politics\EU

roryc

El Stuntman wrote: »

soc\politics\EU

cheers... first post i see...

idiot wrote: »

why are people so afraid of ireland going it alone?
we have an educated young work force, rich fishing grounds, best farming land and products in the eu, we've plenty of gas and im sure theres oil out there too. we've wind power,peat,forestry etc...

wow

LuckyLloyd

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El Stuntman

roryc wrote: »

wow

I hope he doesn't count him/herself as part of that 'educated workforce' :rolleyes:

I am yet to hear a proper, well-reasoned argument for voting No

BigCityBanker

good post Red Joker, add this to the list of good threads

Omaha, dont go nuts with the nuts

LuckyLloyd

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eagle eye

Well here is my take on it. And its about the appearance side of things.

When you come onto the poker forum whether it be your first time or your one millionth time, you come on to the 'main' forum.
There is a lot of rubbish posted in the main forum and pretty much all the trolling happens in this section. Of course there are also some very good threads mixed in amongst the rubble also.
I think that when you arrive at the poker forum you should have to make a choice between which subforum you decide to visit, and that there should not be a main forum as such. That means that if you get 'paddysklansky' who is only interested in poker theory and hand histories, he is not faced with a page of stuff that he might be tempted to read and could turn him off the forum. Similarly you won't have 'dbc' coming on to the bbv thread as he is more likely to head straght for the online tournaments subforum.

On this page you have the bbv thread where you might find comments about soccer or basketball, poker or omaha, sessions and hangovers and loads of other stuff.
I love that thread, its the best thread on any forum that I have ever visited. You will get the op of this thread throwing a soccer question now and again, you get some great humour with el stuntman and yuletired leading the way. Then in the middle of a couple of posts you are cracking up laughing at, you have or had macspower posting twenty aces busted hands and pulling his hair out, but at least he is cheered up by some of the other stuff going on in there. I am actually laughing at the memories of some of those times whilst writing this.
Just to clear things up, I went hard on the dbc guy, but he was using the bbv thread like msn with something like 6 posts out of every 10 and made it impossible to enjoy reading it. He was given long enough and given enough hints to settle down but took no heed of anyone.

Just my thoughts on a forum I really like and whilst I don't use the hh section nearly enough, I have received good advice on there when I did post a hand.

Conbro

good post Red Joker, add this to the list of good threads

Lollers, very modest of you Noel.

BigCityBanker

Conbro wrote: »

Lollers, very modest of you Noel.

lol, srsly, it is a good thread, not cos i posted most of the hot air in it but cos its a concept that many omaha newbs dont properly grasp. Id be asking for it to be added if anybody else wrote it also.

RedJoker

BigCityBanker wrote: »

good post Red Joker, add this to the list of good threads

Omaha, dont go nuts with the nuts

Thanks. That would probably be more suitable to the omaha sticky though, it's unlocked so you can just add whatever you want.

Conbro

not cos i posted most of the hot air

No you made some very good points in it Noel, a conprehensive enough analysis that I felt anything I added would be a repitition of what you already said. Hence I didnt bother.

Ste05

RedJoker wrote: »

Thanks. That would probably be more suitable to the omaha sticky though, it's unlocked so you can just add whatever you want.

As I'm sure people have noticed I copied and stickied your post in the Theory forum. Nice work...

Hyzepher

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It's a different landscape now to when the forum started. When things were being hashed out for the first time on this forum there was a freshness and vibrancy to the discussion because the debate was there to be won - and people were genuinely learning fundamental concepts for the first time. Additionally, I don't believe that there was such a disparity in terms of the games and stakes that the majority of the first 40 posters considered regular on the site were playing during 2005 - 2006.

The point is that for some it is their first time here and for them there should be a freshness to it all and they are learning concepts for the first time.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

At this point, one grows tired rehashing the same old concepts and redebating the same fundamental ideas on a recurring basis. Plus, at this point the gap in terms of total hands played and current levels (both in terms of monetary investment and difficulty of game conditions) between people on the forum can be a veritable chasm.

That's to be expected and no one is saying that people HAVE to respond or give advice. All I am saying is that people either give meaningful advice or ignore the request and not put their 2cents in and ruin the thread.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I have seen many posts from you where you bemoan the old days and the way things used to be on this forum. The reality is that the place has moved on and we won't ever revisit what you may consider to be the "golden era" of the poker forum. The game in Ireland and the world in general has moved on an awful lot in three / four years and the basics have been discussed in a reasoned and respectful manner more than enough.

It's not about whether the "old" days were better than now - it shouldn't matter. Regardless of how far the game has moved on we should be mindful that a lot of people are new to poker or even the concept of posting about poker on a website. To treat these differently than when the forum started is just ignorant.

YULETIRED

The theory forum is full of incorrect advice . One of them is to berate the posters for results based thinking.....

I think results based thinking has got a lot of bad press from those poker books and it has won me a lot of money. Sometimes when I raise I wonder what will happen if I get reraised, I usually get reraised when I'm still thinking about this and lose my train of thought, thats when I shove all in. They usually fold to this shove asking me if I'm at it? If they gave me a second to think before reraising me, I'd be able to answer them .

Results base thinking FTW.

nicnicnic

RedJoker wrote: »

There's a lot of stuff missing from it though, and a lot of non strat drama bomb stuff in there as well. I've started to put together some of the better threads, hopefully this can form a base for a sticky in the HHs and Theory section. If there's anything missing post a link to it or a general description and I'll try to find it.

Strategy
General 6max strategy – Fuzzbox and others.
Low stakes guide – phantom_lord
A few observations – Gholimoli
Continuation betting – ianmc38

Psychology
Changes – opr
Timing Tells and Observation – Requiem4adream
Think – zuutroy
You don’t think enough – TommyGunne

Maths
Overestimating Implied Odds – RedJoker

Bankroll Management
Bankroll building – pok3rplaya
Bankroll Management – pok3rplaya

Stats
Guide to PokerTracker and PAHud – RedJoker
W$WSF – RedJoker

3betting and 4betting
Calling 3bets – robinlacey
3betting light – Various
4-betting – Van Dice
A3o on the button – Various
Logical steps and adjustments when 3-betting and 4-betting – NickyOD and others.
QQ button on Blind hand – Various
Squeeze with KQ – Various
3betting a Loose Opener – Theresalwaysone and others.

Misc
Video Training Sites – RedJoker and others.

N1

Kpnuts did a good one a while back about 3-betting S/M pairs from the blinds which was VG and would be a good addition I think

Ste05

Please, please, please stop feeding the trolls and maybe he'll get bored.

Ste05

Deleted a load of crap

connie147

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It's a different landscape now to when the forum started. When things were being hashed out for the first time on this forum there was a freshness and vibrancy to the discussion because the DEBATE WAS THERE TO BE WON - and people were genuinely learning fundamental concepts for the first time. Additionally, I don't believe that there was such a disparity in terms of the games and stakes that the majority of the first 40 posters considered regular on the site were playing during 2005 - 2006.


Hi Lloyd,
As usual, an excellent post that I enjoyed reading. If there anything to argue in it, I think its in the opening paragraph that I've quoted above.(I dont know how to highlight so I just put the piece I want in capitals).

I dont think debates on this forum are there to be WON. Debates happen on here when people have different ideas about playing a hand and they get teased out until the reader makes up his/her mind on the best way to play it fron what they've read. Winning the debate should not come into it at all. Every experienced player has something to add, obviously some more than others, and if somebody posts up advice thats wrong, its not that he lost te debate, its just that he was given good poker advice. (I'm not sure I'm getting my point across very well here)

Also on these one liners. I understand that newbies can ask questions that have been hashed out here on numerous occasions and are quite boring to the seasoned posters, but that newbie doesnt know his/her question is boring. Because they're newbies, they dont know that it been answered a gazillion times before, so instead of "I dont think its an interesting hand" or "ship it" or "move up levels" or calling there is retarde", if the seasoned player doesnt want to go to the trouble of posting advice he has posted umpteem times before (understandably), then why not link a thread so the newbie gets the advice they need rather than they feeling like they're being put down.

It costs nothing to be nice. This answer by me is not aimed at any poster in particular. I really enjoy LLoyds posts on boards and its a pity and a loss to the forum that he's posting less.

And these trolls should be dumped for once and for all. The mods job is not easy, so if boardies report the trolls posts often enough, the troll will get sorted out.

Rant over. I gotta go play some poker.

Connie

BiffoBeater

BigCityBanker wrote: »

good post Red Joker, add this to the list of good threads

Omaha, dont go nuts with the nuts

Dont think this really should be added tbh, as it doesnt cover the topic in question in a comprehensive matter at all.:eek:

I may type up a good post on this topic later (if i dont go to the cinema to see the hulk:o) for all those Omaha noobs so they dont loose there money too quick, LOL:D:D.

Basically this whole topic (some even say omaha in general) evolves around the idea that the real money to be made in omaha comes from free-rolling plyrs from the flop when u both gots the nutzz, but u gotta the redraws.

Basically if u keep gettin it in wit just bare nuts, u gonna loose big over time.

U keep gettin it in with the nuts and the re-draws, u gonna nail those suckers ( or at worst, chop, chop:D:D).

I know i make this sound easy, but it really is when u know what your doing, LOL:D.

Ste05

BiffoBeater wrote: »

Dont think this really should be added tbh, as it doesnt cover the topic in question in a comprehensive matter at all.:eek:

I may type up a good post on this topic later (if i dont go to the cinema to see the hulk:o) for all those Omaha noobs so they dont loose there money too quick, LOL:D:D.

Basically this whole topic (some even say omaha in general) evolves around the idea that the real money to be made in omaha comes from free-rolling plyrs from the flop when u both gots the nutzz, but u gotta the redraws.

Basically if u keep gettin it in wit just bare nuts, u gonna loose big over time.

U keep gettin it in with the nuts and the re-draws, u gonna nail those suckers ( or at worst, chop, chop:D:D).

I know i make this sound easy, but it really is when u know what your doing, LOL:D.

Keep this thread on topic please, take that discussion to this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=56342033 which I notice you've posted in, so you saw it there, so stop trying to take topics off topic, I have a VERY short fuse at the moment with all the trolling going on so reply to this and you're gone.

Ste05

EDIT: This refers to the potential discussion of the theory behind the posts, not what links should be added. Such as the post below.

RedJoker

nicnicnic wrote: »

N1

Kpnuts did a good one a while back about 3-betting S/M pairs from the blinds which was VG and would be a good addition I think

Is this it?

EDIT: Added in.

Requiem4adream

Regarding the HH subforum and LL's points, couldnt disagree more. 1 word/line answers are completely pointless.

Let's consider Valor for a second, i'm actually not picking on him but he's the prime example of what i'm talking about. I wonder how many of his posts are 1 word or 1 liners? He's supposed to be an excellent player, he even offers coaching - why any random newbie would ask him for coaching is beyond me because the majority of his posts are:

"flop is retarded"/"raise more"/"shove pre"/"turn is terrible"

What's the point in that? Anybody can write that, doesnt display any poker knowledge at all, even if it is good advice. I thought the point of the HH section is to try learn, to try see different points of view. To get the "why didnt i think of that!!" feeling when you have seen a different/better way of playing a certain situation. What can 1 liners do to improve that? Nothing. They dont even engage or encourage a debate because they're so matter-of-fact/i-know-best, certainly not conducive to newbies learning. Thereby putting them off posting in that forum.

I've said it a million times probably but i dont care if someone is talking absolute sh1te in the HH section, it's far better than 1 liners - if they have an opinion and some reasons for it then they are encouraging debate. Also sometimes you can give good advice for the wrong reasons, sometimes "shove" is the best of 3 or 4 options but your reasoning for shoving might be flawed. If you dont give reasons how can you learn?

As for the general state of the forum, it's in bad shape at the moment for various reasons. It's not a very welcoming place for newcomers at times. Rather, i should say, that the tolerance threshold for newcomers amongst many regulars is very low. Very. When i first joined, almost every post i made was ripped to shreds or sneered at. I'm sure a lot of newbies feel they cant say what they would like to say. The trolling infestation is just a phase i wouldnt worry so much about that.

As a last point, the shelf life of a poster is finite, unless you work on the internet etc a lot of posters will be getting on with other things in life away from poker. For example I'm sure there's a healthy % of posters who were in college over past number of years and will gradually post less over time as they move ahead with careers. The names will change at times but the goal is to try ensure the forum maintains a good quality:noise ratio that it's always had.

phantom_lord

no one in this thread that's complaining ever posts strat as far as i can see, if you're so concerned with how new posters are treated why don't you start posting and welcoming them?

complaining about not being spoonfed through every simple decision is bordering on ridiculous imo, people like valor/cs/hj etc give up their time to post here, and probably get very little back. demanding that they explain something that's bordering on obvious in every post or that has been explained numerous times previously is totally unfair, very few decisions are gonna require a paragraph to explain, and usually a sentence or two will suffice and fwiw if you don't get something you could just ask and someone will usually explain.

I've said it a million times probably but i dont care if someone is talking absolute sh1te in the HH section, it's far better than 1 liners

this is totally illogical, a couple of words from someone that knows what they're talking about is worth infinitely more than paragraphs of rubbish IMO.

DemocAnarchis

phantom_lord wrote: »

no one in this thread that's complaining ever posts strat as far as i can see, if you're so concerned with how new posters are treated why don't you start posting and welcoming them?

complaining about not being spoonfed through every simple decision is bordering on ridiculous imo, people like valor/cs/hj etc give up their time to post here, and probably get very little back. demanding that they explain something that's bordering on obvious in every post or that has been explained numerous times previously is totally unfair, very few decisions are gonna require a paragraph to explain, and usually a sentence or two will suffice and fwiw if you don't get something you could just ask and someone will usually explain.



this is totally illogical, a couple of words from someone that knows what they're talking about is worth infinitely more than paragraphs of rubbish IMO.

In that case shouldnt there be a more concerted effort to lock and avoid threads that are "standard"?

It shouldnt be a matter of people giving up their time, I assume they all want to participate in the forum and discuss poker strategy. Helping out newbies is a part of that, sure, but the forum shouldnt be a helpdesk for learning what any basic book/a collection of posts on 2+2 can teach you, they should be a place for a bit of discussion. imho.

Jayminator

Hammertime wrote: »

I'd imagine new posters are afraid to put up HH or ask for advice etc, as all that seems to be forthcoming in the past year are answers like "ridic standard", "easy fold", "this is retarded" and the more popular "this thread is so bad"

If the poster fully understood the situation they were asking for help on then they obviously would not have posted in the first place. If you think a question is 'so stoopid' that its beneath you answering then don't answer it if your only comment will be an unhelpful one.

100% agreed. The ''tot ridic, like OMG ugh standard fold, easy fold, like seriuussly fold pre, +EV'' low content crew should just not bother posting. 2 posters spring to mind on this one but i wont name names.

These people forget that they too were once learning the game...... Nice thread Collette WP

Jay

YULETIRED

I often scoff to myself and not just on this forum why posters who bother thier ass to give one word answers and then reply, why should we elaborate, we get nothing back!!! well then why do it at all????

In my opinion (aka imo) they do get something back and its called ego massage. Plain and simple, otherwise I dont get why you would give a complete sranger free advice......I would like to know the answer seriously......then you have so called respected posters calling some people idiots and then on the other finger wag a troll type accusation at someone else who says the same thing....

people are strange when yer a stranger.......