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[June 8] DURC Open

  • 25-05-2008 12:02pm
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    Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭


    DURC 50m Open

    When: Sunday, 8th June 2008
    Where: Dublin Rifle Club range.
    What: 50m prone rifle competition run to NTSA rules.

    The first detail is at 10:00 and all details are 25 minutes. Entries are €15 and re-entries may be permitted at the discretion of the range officers.

    For further information or to request a specific start time contact Eleanor Mollett at mollette@tcd.ie.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Results:

    Name|Club|Class|1|2|3|4|5|6|Total|
    Conor McDermottroe|DURC|B|95|98|100|96|98|98|585|1B
    Sandy Wilson|ECSC|A|95|96|99|95|96|99|580|1A
    Ray Reilly|DURC|A|96|95|96|95|98|96|576|2A
    Richard Stapleton|WTSC|A|95|94|95|97|97|94|572|3A
    Tony Cogan|DRC|A|94|95|95|95|96|96|571|
    Leslie Fagan|Comber|B|93|95|97|93|98|94|570|2B
    Mike Dunne|DURC|A|98|93|91|97|91|95|565|
    John Moran|DRC|C|97|93|92|96|90|96|564|1C
    Gerry Power|ECSC|D|94|96|91|94|91|94|560|1D
    Aisling Miller|DURC|B|91|90|95|93|96|94|559|3B
    Dave Cooney|ECSC|C|93|92|95|93|90|95|558|2C
    Peter Daynes|DURC|C|98|90|92|92|96|89|557|3C
    J.K. Walsh|DRC|C|95|94|93|91|91|90|554|
    Kealan Symes|RRPC|B|91|93|96|91|95|88|554|
    P.J. Harding|DRC|B|97|90|93|88|90|93|551|
    Alan Boothman|DRC|D|93|93|93|89|89|93|550|2D
    Ben Lawlor|DURC|B|91|93|90|95|92|89|550|
    Lorcan O'Carroll|DURC|C|82|92|96|89|95|93|547|
    Breandán O'Fearghail|DRC|B|89|93|93|92|90|90|547|
    Anthony Fagan|ECSC|C|93|91|91|93|91|84|543|
    Pavlina Mikova|DURC|D|95|80|91|90|96|90|542|3D
    Mark Smyth|DURC|D|88|90|91|91|94|87|541|
    Eleanor Mollett|DURC|A|91|90|95|88|87|79|530|
    Liam Kinsella|DRC|D|58|74|83|85|91|90|481|
    David Franklin|DURC|D|79|85|72|80|84|77|477|


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Nicely done Conor :D


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Sparks wrote: »
    Nicely done Conor :D

    Thanks. :) It's a new PB too.

    It nearly killed Mike to give me that ton. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭demonloop


    *ahem* reclassification? :D

    Well done, good consistent set of cards


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    demonloop wrote: »
    *ahem* reclassification? :D

    But... but... it was only my second competition* in B! :D
    demonloop wrote: »
    Well done, good consistent set of cards

    Thanks, I was pretty happy with it. Hopefully I'll continue to improve when the nationals roll around.

    * Since I started shooting again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Can't retrospectively send you to Munich though. :p


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Can't retrospectively send you to Munich though. :p

    :) Wouldn't have been enough anyway. Cutoff for Munich was 589.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    I know, I meant if you improvd again in BRC next time.


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    I know, I meant if you improvd again in BRC next time.

    Oh right. Well, if I improve again in BRC at the nationals then I reckon I'll be happy anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    If you keep this up though, you'll go International next season.
    And remember, 585 is only eight points off the Irish International record for 50m...


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  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Sparks wrote: »
    If you keep this up though, you'll go International next season.

    My current goal is pretty much: "Go to an international competition and don't make a complete tit of yourself".
    Sparks wrote: »
    And remember, 585 is only eight points off the Irish International record for 50m...

    Cool. Time to start scraping more points from wherever I can find them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    You make it sound as though you haven't been trying, showoff. :p


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    You make it sound as though you haven't been trying, showoff. :p

    Oh, I have been trying. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭demonloop


    Conor, what ammo you using?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    DURC-sponsored Match EPS I believe.


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Yep, Eley Match EPS (old box, not the new boxed Eley Match).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭demonloop


    I've had good results with that Match EPS as well.

    If your scores are creeping up there, as yours are, you might want to consider the next jump up to Tenex, batch tested to your rifle.

    Its quite an outlay financially but will shave a few points of a card.

    The record could soon be within reach!

    Even mentally, knowing the ammo you're using is the best, is worth a point or two IMO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Actually Conor, at 585, demonloop has a valid point. Batch testing would be a good idea for you at this point.


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Kinda hard to buy a batch of Tenex when there's only 100 rounds on my license. :(

    At the moment, I'm confident that the ammo is better than I am. Indoors, I can usually call the placement of the shot quite accurately. Outdoors, there's always the chance that I haven't read the conditions correctly so I'm not quite there yet.

    I haven't had any fliers with the Match EPS, the only issue I've had with them has been that a few of them have failed to go off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    IRLConor wrote: »
    Kinda hard to buy a batch of Tenex when there's only 100 rounds on my license. :(
    That can be fixed :D
    At the moment, I'm confident that the ammo is better than I am. Indoors, I can usually call the placement of the shot quite accurately. Outdoors, there's always the chance that I haven't read the conditions correctly so I'm not quite there yet.
    Aye, and if you were shooting in the 570s I'd say don't bother, but that's twice you've been in the 580s so far and if it's where you're shooting, then doing the batch-test thing will bring you another few points without any training being required. The only thing to worry about would be that you don't overthink it - send off barrel, buy 10,000 rounds, then forget completely about it until you've shot them all. Don't go off with this mucking about with weighing bullets and measuring rims and all that claptrap. Batch testing is the 90% item there.
    I haven't had any fliers with the Match EPS, the only issue I've had with them has been that a few of them have failed to go off.
    Batch testing, well yes you get less fliers, but the point of it isn't flier reduction, it's shrinking the group size a little bit more.
    It's not mandatory - look at Michelle's performance last august in Bisley, and that was without batch tested ammo - but it is worth doing when you reach a high enough standard and you're hitting the point now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    I had two failures on my last card yesterday as well. As usual, I'm in the process of prodding various people for possible chances to try other ammo, including R50, and you'll be welcome to a box or two to try if I get my mitts on any.


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    I had two failures on my last card yesterday as well.

    I'm surprised at the failure rate TBH.
    As usual, I'm in the process of prodding various people for possible chances to try other ammo, including R50, and you'll be welcome to a box or two to try if I get my mitts on any.

    Cool, thanks.


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Sparks wrote: »
    That can be fixed :D

    Yep, it's on the to-do list.
    Sparks wrote: »
    Aye, and if you were shooting in the 570s I'd say don't bother, but that's twice you've been in the 580s so far

    ...in the last year. :D
    Sparks wrote: »
    Batch testing, well yes you get less fliers, but the point of it isn't flier reduction, it's shrinking the group size a little bit more.
    It's not mandatory - look at Michelle's performance last august in Bisley, and that was without batch tested ammo - but it is worth doing when you reach a high enough standard and you're hitting the point now.

    I'll definitely think about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭demonloop


    Thats funny, I've never had a round fail to go bang, and thats in a good few years shooting smallbore and previously, fullbore.

    I've been using Match EPS for about 2/3 years and never had one fail.

    Is X buying seconds? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    IRLConor wrote: »
    ...in the last year. :D
    Yes, but in the last two matches. If your next score is 560-odd, disregard the above ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    demonloop wrote: »
    Thats funny, I've never had a round fail to go bang, and thats in a good few years shooting smallbore and previously, fullbore.
    I've had one or two do odd things, and Tenex at that (had a round keyhole through an indoor 25yd target once), and we've seen very odd things happen with ammo in the club over the years (including a batch of exploding ammunition according to the minute books!) but it's odd enough to make me wonder - Conor have you checked your firing pin and it's spring? Were these total duds or did they fire when you re-cocked and tried again?
    Is X buying seconds? :D
    Oi you, quit that kind of thing, it's technically libellous!


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    demonloop wrote: »
    Thats funny, I've never had a round fail to go bang, and thats in a good few years shooting smallbore and previously, fullbore.

    I've been using Match EPS for about 2/3 years and never had one fail.

    I've had 4 Match EPS fail to ignite on the first strike of the firing pin*. 3 of those went off when rotated and struck again. The other was during a match and didn't want to extract (which is sometimes a problem with the club KK200 I'm using) but when extracted I set it aside and continued the match. When I got back to the range I destroyed it but the primer looked like it had partially burned. :eek: Scary stuff.
    demonloop wrote: »
    Is X buying seconds? :D

    *Cheap mode* You can get seconds? :D

    * And 1 Lapua Master, years ago. As an RO in DURC I've seen maybe 5-10 other rounds of various other brands fail to go off the first time.


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Sparks wrote: »
    Conor have you checked your firing pin and it's spring? Were these total duds or did they fire when you re-cocked and tried again?

    On at least one I've re-cocked and fired without rotating the round. When I decided to rotate the round the strike mark looked deeper than the rim. I'll save the brass the next time, if you're curious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭demonloop


    Sparks wrote: »
    Oi you, quit that kind of thing, it's technically libellous!
    No harm intended, and there are certainly no such things as seconds in any case.

    I buy mine from the official Irish importer too so I hope not anyway!! :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    IRLConor wrote: »
    When I got back to the range I destroyed it but the primer looked like it had partially burned. :eek: Scary stuff.
    I'm still waiting on the "I learnt about shooting from that" post :D
    *Cheap mode* You can get seconds? :D
    :rolleyes:

    Money saved buying cheap ammo <<< Money wasted by using cheap ammo while trying to get to international level :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭demonloop


    I know a guy who saves money by warming his barrel with 5 rounds of Eley Cheap (forget the proper name!) before using his Match EPS.

    Won't fire 5 rounds of the good stuff into the bank!!


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    demonloop wrote: »
    No harm intended, and there are certainly no such things as seconds in any case.

    Aren't Match EPS "seconds" off the Tenex line? Or is that just some of them? I've heard conflicting stories on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    demonloop wrote: »
    I know a guy who saves money by warming his barrel with 5 rounds of Eley Cheap (forget the proper name!) before using his Match EPS.
    Won't fire 5 rounds of the good stuff into the bank!!
    The eejit. Five rounds is too much anyway, one or two would be enough unless he'd just scrubbed the barrel before the last shot (and that's a bad idea just before a match as well). So he fouls his barrel with the cheap stuff, then fires other stuff through it, which changes the fouling pattern over time and gives inconsistent results.

    Match EPS is what, 15 cents per round? Cheap eley is about 10 cents. So for 25 cents saved, he risks losing a few points and throwing the match. After spending what, 15 euro or so on entry fees. And that's not counting the cost of the petrol to get to the match, the cost of the time to train for and shoot the match, the cost of the kit he's shooting with, his licence, his insurance, his membership fee....

    Seriously, sometimes I think Irish shooters have a problem with doing a cost-benefit analysis :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    IRLConor wrote: »
    Aren't Match EPS "seconds" off the Tenex line? Or is that just some of them? I've heard conflicting stories on that.
    The story used to be that everything came off one production line and went through a kind of sieve of QA testing. If it made the grade, it went into Tenex boxes, if it failed there, it tried out for Match boxes, if it failed there, it tried out for Club and so on down. Similar stories circulated about Lapua and every other manufacturer of ammunition.
    These days I think they actually have different production lines.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    Sparks wrote: »
    The story used to be that everything came off one production line and went through a kind of sieve of QA testing. If it made the grade, it went into Tenex boxes, if it failed there, it tried out for Match boxes, if it failed there, it tried out for Club and so on down. Similar stories circulated about Lapua and every other manufacturer of ammunition.
    These days I think they actually have different production lines.

    The way I heard it is that when the tooling is new, everything off the line is Tenex until a certain number of rounds is produced and then it's downgraded to Match and on until you get to the bottom of the pile when the tooling is replaced and it starts all over again.

    I've heard the same about Lapua.

    Misfires with .22 ammo are quite common because of the way the primer is put in the case. I can't remember if the case is rotated or the pouring head, but sometimes it doesn't complete full circle leaving a small part of the rim un-primed. This is why rotating the round in the chamber will nearly always fire off the round. Very occasionally the case goes through completely un-primed and hence it won't fire at all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 NTSA


    I forgot to add my congratulations to Conor for an extremely good result. Although conditions weren't windy, the constant light changes were very testing and many competitors reported fliers as a result.

    Keep up the good work Conor. As others have said, it might be worth your while moving up to Tenex for the Nationals. If you need some for the day, I have some that you'd be welcome to if you wanted. At a price of course :D


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    NTSA wrote: »
    I forgot to add my congratulations to Conor for an extremely good result. Although conditions weren't windy, the constant light changes were very testing and many competitors reported fliers as a result.

    Keep up the good work Conor. As others have said, it might be worth your while moving up to Tenex for the Nationals. If you need some for the day, I have some that you'd be welcome to if you wanted. At a price of course :D

    Cool, thanks. I'll certainly consider it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18 FowlerC


    Rock on Conor :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭MiGiD


    I agree with Colin - Go Conor!:)


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Ah now, if ye keep on with that I'll struggle to break 500 in the nationals. :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Ah, the secret plan revealed....


  • Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Newsflash:

    I am not dead! Have finished exams and have started back into competition training!

    Will be seeing you all at the nationals!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Nice one, see you there. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    Newsflash:

    I am not dead! Have finished exams and have started back into competition training!

    Will be seeing you all at the nationals!

    That's a relief :D


  • Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have been honing my crossfiring skills..

    If my match goes bad - I'm taking you with me!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Been watching the rapid-fire pistol finals have we? "I got all five targets, I'm doing really well!" *Looks around to see a lot of irate shooters* :p


  • Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Been watching the rapid-fire pistol finals have we? "I got all five targets, I'm doing really well!" *Looks around to see a lot of irate shooters* :p

    rrpc or sparks should know the story...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    If anyone gets a crossfire on Sunday, stick your hand up. It's far easier to deal with when it's just been fired rather than later.

    Although we still can pick them up either way.

    At the Munich shoot, two shots hit my target 0.7 seconds apart :eek:

    I didn't spot it until about 4 shots later, but I *do* know who did it. :D


  • Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rrpc wrote: »
    If anyone gets a crossfire on Sunday, stick your hand up. It's far easier to deal with when it's just been fired rather than later.

    Although we still can pick them up either way.

    At the Munich shoot, two shots hit my target 0.7 seconds apart :eek:

    I didn't spot it until about 4 shots later, but I *do* know who did it. :D

    I was told the opposite - the RO gave out to me for putting my hand up and saying it. Was told to wait until the detail is over.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    I was told the opposite - the RO gave out to me for putting my hand up and saying it. Was told to wait until the detail is over.

    Technically speaking it's easier to sort at the time. If you know how :D


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