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Garda Checkpoint query
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05-06-2008 10:53pm#1HI, I'm just wondering what the general training is given to Gardai regarding operation of checkpoints cos i just had a very strange experience :eek:
I was on my way home a short time ago and came across a checkpoint which appeared to be for tax and insurance - Fine!
My Car is taxed & insured to Jan 09, NCT to May 2010 and is in good nick & clean as a rule
So i meandered up to the checkpoint and rolled down the window and said "well how's things" to the two girls operating the checkpoint on my side of the road, so one of them checked the tax/insurance/nct disks & was ready to wave me on when the second girl decided that i wasn't going anywhere!
So anyway, first she asked for my driving licence, which i gave her, then she asked me my name, address & date of birth, she wanted to know why the address on my driving licence was different from the address i gave her (its because the licence address is my parents where i was living when i did the driving test & I only got my new house in Dec 06)
She then told me to pull the car over, switch off the ignition & step out of the car!
I was a wee bit surprised but said absolutely nothing & did what i was told (as you do)
I think she was a wee bit surprised to find someone 6ft getting out of a Fiesta but thats beside the point!
Then she got on her radio & asked the control room to do a check on my car 04CE...., whoever was on the control room came back with my name, address, said the car was taxed to 01/09, "all clear"
Then the fun started.. i had to laugh.. obviously whoever was in the control room knew me cos the next thing i heard on the radio was "if it's who i think it is driving she's tall & lanky & married to XXXXX stationed out in xxxxx!
Now, don't get me wrong, it was a bit weird being pulled over etc but i didn't have a problem with it, as far as i was concerned the Garda was just doing her job (maybe her attitude could have been a bit better but still...)
So anyway, as soon as she realised i was married to a cop the attitude disappeared and the apologies came flying, I actually knew one of the lads on the other side of the road and he came over to say hi as i was walking back to the car, i asked the Garda who i had been dealing with why "out of curiousity" she had gone to so much trouble to verify my identity to be told "people who are chirpy at checkpoints generally have something to hide"
So my question is this... is this what they are teaching in templemore these days????
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angelfire9 wrote: »So my question is this... is this what they are teaching in templemore these days????
No, she's female and behaving that way comes natural, she doesn't need to be taught.:D
You're tall and obviously extremely attractive hence you're married to one of us.
Therein lies your answer, she was going to take this good looking bird in the fiesta down a peg or two, natural female behaviour.0 -
For the record, neither did I, I didn't ask for it and i wasn't the one who told her who i was!I don't agree with favorable treatment towards members of the service.
The reason she thought i was suspicious is because i was "chirpy" at the checkpoint, this is what i have a problem with, is everyone approaching a checkpoint supposed to be scared and subdued???From your story though it would seem she thought you were suspicious for one reason
I'm female, and i wouldn't behave that way!No, she's female and behaving that way comes natural, she doesn't need to be taught.:D
Gee thanks :pac:You're tall and obviously extremely attractive hence you're married to one of us.
Maybe your right, and that's what it was, but if that's the case she seriously needs to cop on (no pun intended)Therein lies your answer, she was going to take this good looking bird in the fiesta down a peg or two, natural female behaviour.
Being married to a cop I'm not intimidated by Gardai and maybe she sensed that too, but to be honest, imho if she had treated your average civilian the way she treated me i don't think they'd be very happy and i really do think that AGS has enough problems with the public perception of them without going out of their way to antagonise people!0 -
Therein lies your answer, she was going to take this good looking bird in the fiesta down a peg or two, natural female behaviour.
lol, probably the reason alright
angelfire9 wrote: »The reason she thought i was suspicious is because i was "chirpy" at the checkpoint, this is what i have a problem with, is everyone approaching a checkpoint supposed to be scared and subdued???
Kinda makes sense if you think about. And yes, most people (me anyway) would be serious and subdued coming to a checkpoint. I wouldn't have said "well how's things" anyway, let the garda do the talking and say as little as possible.
You are obviously married a garda. Anyway who spends time in Tipperary always uses "well" as a greeting so you must have picked that up. :cool:0 -
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You're tall and obviously extremely attractive hence you're married to one of us.
I'd say your a right hit with the ladies:plol, probably the reason alright
You are obviously married a garda. Anyway who spends time in Tipperary always uses "well" as a greeting so you must have picked that up. :cool:
+ a million. Everyone in tipp goes "well?"
Even when i'm goin to talk to a tipp person i start the conversation i go "well?"
I hate it.
To the Op she obivously had a bee in her bonnet about something.
Maybe she recognised the car from somewhere and wanted to see where she knew it from.
Maybe she fancies your husband and want to see what the "other half" was like, when she saw you were tall and stunning she limbed back into her box 0 -
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Yes - always show them respect. Gardai are owed respect. But never show fear - that is just some kind of daft post-colonial hangover. They are OUR authority now - we pay the taxes to run the force don't forget. (and if that gets me in trouble then maybe we shouldn't pity Zimbabwe! LOL) 0
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Did you search it cos he had the stuff ready & you found it strange or cos he tweaked your Garda "antenna" (bad choice of words i know but you know what i mean!) :cool:ive searched a car before cos the guy was too helpful had his licence insurance and nct ready for me whn i stoped him .. found guns and ammo in the spare wheel well..
I assuming though that you don't get agressive unless you have to?99% people stopped at a check point are spot on no issue . its the 1 percent im looking for . so if i have to detain someone for a longer period of time until im satisfied that there is nothing suspect about it il do it ..
This Garda last night was giving out major agressive vibes which i don't think is neccessary, even if i was a drug courier or gun runner surely a Garda doesn't have to show agression unless threatened?
It seems to me she was trying to throw her weight around a bit and seemed taken aback that i didn't react but did exactly what i was told!
I've often been stopped a check points up the country where i wouldn't be known and had a chat with the lads commenting on the weather or whatever, i've never before recieved a negative response to my "chirpy" attitude
Should i just keep my mouth shut anymore?0 -
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angelfire9 wrote: »
So my question is this... is this what they are teaching in templemore these days????
Not it's not, but there's some getting through the net with serious bad attitudes....this girl was being contrary nothing else...
Was in a shop a while back and a plain clothes garda asked a female garda in uniforn to button up her shirt(it was a warm day, she was showing a tiny bit of clevage)
anyways....she swang round and told the plain clothes man to "go **** himself" turns out he was an inspector and she no longer has a job....
point is there's some contrary ones out there, you were just unlucky......lucky were all related to a garda in some way or another..;)0 -
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I've been meaning to have a chat with you. When are you going to renovate the dump of a station I'm working in?
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Thats only grievance number 1!My tax pays these guys wages and I operate within the law so they are obliged to be civil to me.
Still think he was wrong to ask for this letter even though asked him to confirm several times that it is necessary to carry it. Everyone I told story to said he was wrong that all you need to produce is licence and have clean paperwork on windscreen.we pay the taxes to run the force don't forget. (and if that gets me in trouble then maybe we shouldn't pity Zimbabwe! LOL)
If some gardai get suspicious because someone is 'chirpy' at a checkpoint, then I would say that is a problem the garda themselves need to address. If the Templemore schooling teaches this, then that is just pathetic.
A, your not obliged to carry but must produce within ten days on request. The disk on the windows are easily forged or stolen.
B, I pay the wages of staff in Buger King, my Mechanic, Bill Gates, the head of Mazda whoever it is, bus driver, train driver, Michael O'Leary on occasion, etc
The list goes on so stop before you flap your gums and think about what your saying. I probable pay your wages if you think about it.
C, Are you seriously trying to compare Ireland to Zimbabwe?
D, Criminals with something to hide are often overly friendly to avoid suspicion. the logic being they wouldnt stop and chat if they were carrying something or doing something. Its not uncommon to be stopped by a criminal ans asked the time but yet when they are clean they are rude and aggresive towards us because they know we cant arrest them for anything.
Lets also remember that the OP might have been drunk, not the person insured on the car, it could have been stolen or some other reason. the checkpoint may not have been for tax / insurance at all but because they were on the lookout for someone.
We dont know.
As the change in attitude, first off am I the only one that finds it strange the OP didnt simple ask the numerous Gardai she knows about this or even her partner? Still, being married to a Garda would preusmable mean your not a serial criminal or that you were not the person they were looking for. I have been stopped and searched before, dont take offence.
Nog,
The original member may have 1 weeks service compared to 10 years by the second. She may have been nervous or the second saw seomthing the first didnt. I wouldnt be bothered if a colleague did this, curious as to why but not insulted.0 -
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angelfire9 wrote: »Did you search it cos he had the stuff ready & you found it strange or cos he tweaked your Garda "antenna" (bad choice of words i know but you know what i mean!) :cool:
I assuming though that you don't get agressive unless you have to?
This Garda last night was giving out major agressive vibes which i don't think is neccessary, even if i was a drug courier or gun runner surely a Garda doesn't have to show agression unless threatened?
It seems to me she was trying to throw her weight around a bit and seemed taken aback that i didn't react but did exactly what i was told!
I've often been stopped a check points up the country where i wouldn't be known and had a chat with the lads commenting on the weather or whatever, i've never before recieved a negative response to my "chirpy" attitude
Should i just keep my mouth shut anymore?
il be honest with ya when i first started ie proby i would have but you slowly get tuned into people .. meet that garda again in a year and shel b totally different . most people think your training stops in templemore when in fact your training begins ony when you leave templemore. a lot of people assume aggression equals control of a situation. withing 2 seconds of comong across an incident a experianced garda will be able to ascertain what way to deal with a situation ie some situations call for an agry thinck mule others call for diplomacy .. this banner will learn that0 -
You have to suspect to detect. Police wont catch criminals by simple waiting for them to own up to crime. You know Gardai, you should know this.angelfire9 wrote: »So if an ordinary joe soap asks you for the time you would find that suspicious too?
You dont need to be breathalysed for starters and secondly, you speak with people to f0rm the opinion they are drunk. People dont roll down the window and say "Hey Guard, Im hammered, woo hoo!"angelfire9 wrote: »Maybe i'm being naive but i would have thought that if you came upon a drunk during a routine checkpoint that firstly you'd have a good idea from talking to them that they were drunk without asking them to get out of the car? And if she thought i was drunk why wasn't i breathalysed?
Fine but how does a Garda at a checkpoint know that?angelfire9 wrote: »For the record i don't drink so i obviously wasn't drunk!
You check.angelfire9 wrote: »Regarding the insurance how do you form an opinion that the driver of the car is not the person insured on the car?
I want you to read that again and think about it, then ask yourself how they knew the car was yours just by looking at the tax and insurance details. You think people that steal cars put their own tax and insurance in the window?angelfire9 wrote: »Saying she thought the car was stolen is not really valid i was driving my own car!
Yes, Blond in her thirties and well dressed.angelfire9 wrote: »And if they were on the lookout for someone surely they'd have a description?
Well no, criminals only ever wear black and white stripped t-shirts with a small black mask around their eyes and carry special 'criminal registration' ID inside the bag marked 'swag'. Oh and the 'criminal registration' ID is completely different in appearance to the 'accountant' registration that you obviously had displayed on your car, otherwise how would they know this?angelfire9 wrote: »I'm in my thirties, i'm an accountant, i was dressed in a conservative suit, not the average get up of a criminal i would have thought???
True but it also appears that you dont really think about or understand your husbands work nor does it appear you speak to him about it. You think he hasnt stopped innocent people? Shouted or used violence to arrest people? As for apologising, well thats called manners. Seems this Garda cant win with you, first she is rude and now apologising is not acceptable either.angelfire9 wrote: »I'm not trying to argue with you here, obviously I have never done a checkpoint so i don't know but if she had asked me to get out of the car for a legitimate reason why all the apologies????
yes your seem respectful but also very niave and idealistic concerning the subject at hand. Kind of like my wife, she doesnt like to think that I have ever used my baton or restrained people but of course I have.angelfire9 wrote: »I didn't take offence, as i think i probably stated before she was just doing her job, and in fairness if i don't have respect for the job who does? I just have a problem with her reason behind it!
I DID ASK my dad and my husband about it, the father said she was probably throwing her weight around because i didn't seem to be intimidated by Gardai
The husband laughed and told me to forget about it?
With respect, your not that particularily young. A Garda could have ten years servivce by their thirties.angelfire9 wrote: »They were both youngish, definitely both younger than me
True but again, you seem to believe that criminals advertise.angelfire9 wrote: »And i don't know how she could have "seen something" as i wasn't doing anything!!!!
When all is said and done we dont know her reasons, Im giving you ideas or possibilities which your partner should be able to do. You need to open your eyes more and realise that criminals mix, mingle, hide and look just like you and me.0 -
angelfire9, you are coming across as slightly aggressive to random peopl eon the internet. Maybe you were the same at the checkpoint?
Agreed. Potentially (a) overly friendly (b) familiarity or lack of deference (c) "Haven't I seen Garda X stop that car in town before?"Karlitosway1978 wrote: »D, Criminals with something to hide are often overly friendly to avoid suspicion. the logic being they wouldnt stop and chat if they were carrying something or doing something. Its not uncommon to be stopped by a criminal ans asked the time but yet when they are clean they are rude and aggresive towards us because they know we cant arrest them for anything.
Open tie and buttons enough! Now there was one time with one of the managers at work ....Karlitosway1978 wrote: »Sorry but dont believe that for a minute, how can she show cleavage wearing a tie?
Was it pre-stab vest?Or under a stab vest?0 -
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Karlitosway1978 wrote: »You have to suspect to detect. Police wont catch criminals by simple waiting for them to own up to crime. You know Gardai, you should know this.
You dont need to be breathalysed for starters and secondly, you speak with people to f0rm the opinion they are drunk. People dont roll down the window and say "Hey Guard, Im hammered, woo hoo!" Ok, point taken
Brunette actually but thanksKarlitosway1978 wrote: »Yes, Blond in her thirties and well dressed.
All true, :cool: obviously i do know that my OH has had to use his asp and/or restrain people from time to timeKarlitosway1978 wrote: »True but it also appears that you dont really think about or understand your husbands work nor does it appear you speak to him about it. You think he hasnt stopped innocent people? Shouted or used violence to arrest people? As for apologising, well thats called manners. Seems this Garda cant win with you, first she is rude and now apologising is not acceptable either.
yes your seem respectful but also very niave and idealistic concerning the subject at hand. Kind of like my wife, she doesnt like to think that I have ever used my baton or restrained people but of course I have.
Hey, i'm not that old!Karlitosway1978 wrote: »
With respect, your not that particularily young. A Garda could have ten years servivce by their thirties.
Fair point, thank you!Karlitosway1978 wrote: »When all is said and done we dont know her reasons, Im giving you ideas or possibilities which your partner should be able to do. You need to open your eyes more and realise that criminals mix, mingle, hide and look just like you and me.0 -
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sweetbubbly wrote: »I recently came to a checkpoint about 2 miles away from my job it was around midnight and I was just finishing up work for the night. So I roll up in my truck, female garda stops me asks me "Do you have a licence to drive this vehicle?" (I drive for a very large supermarket chain so my guess would be obviously I have licence to drive they aren't letting me drive it for the craic!) So produce licence to her, She's happy with that and waves me on. I have to return passed said checkpoint on my way home. She stops me again, hasnt twigged that I'm the same person, asks "can I see your licence?" Show her my licence and I'm on the way again.
I just wonder would other members of the Gardai ask me the same question as this is not the first time I've been asked in that way in my truck, but I've never been asked like that in my car? I'm also wondering if I was a big burly man would you ask in the same way? Dont think I'm being pedantic, I'm just curious as to others opinions.
Yes I would ask for a license in general. You catch people driving cars without licenses so imagine how many try to get away with it for a truck???
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sweetbubbly wrote: »Its not them asking for my licence, its how she asked for it "Do I have a licence to drive the vehicle?" It came across as so condescending. I seem to always get stopped at checkpoints where as the lads never do. Its become a standing joke as to how many times in a week can I get pulled. I have no points on my licence and I have never had a ticket for anything in the truck. But as soon as they see a woman behind the wheel of a truck they almost always pull me in. Had 1 garda car sit beside me on the motorway from Bray down as far as Tallaght, and the garda in the passenger seat kept staring at me. Bizarre...
I think your reading too much into it. Its just another way of asking for it. At the end of the day we could say "Good evening,Can I see your license please sir/madam/miss?" or we can actually be normal and simple say "Hows it going? Have you got your license there please?" or whatever they would normally say depending on where they are from.
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Karlitosway1978 wrote: »Had to laugh about the return journey, Im guilty of that on more than one occasion
Or how about speaking to the passenger in a left hand drive car. I always seem to get caught out on that. Nearly arrested the passenger one night 'cos I smelled drink. Got an awful ribbing in the station.:D
At least the Polish lads in the car got a good laugh out of it.0 -
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Karlitosway1978 wrote: »
I think your reading too much into it. Its just another way of asking for it. At the end of the day we could say "Good evening,Can I see your license please sir/madam/miss?" or we can actually be normal and simple say "Hows it going? Have you got your license there please?" or whatever they would normally say depending on where they are from.
Yes perhaps I am. Got pulled one day for overtaking a micra doing 25mph on the M7 heading for Cork one day, the garda had to come down on the passenger side of the truck so as not to get run over by the speeding Micra I had just overtook, so I climbed over to the passenger side to open the door for him, It was hilarious to see him look past me looking for the driver.... "Are you driving this???" he says to me aghast. The in my head response was "No the fairy in the bunk is..." But my own response was "Yes Garda is there a problem" with my sweetest smile... Didnt get a ticket... tee heeKarlitosway1978 wrote: »
I bet your a hell of a lot better on the eye than the lads are:p
Awwww charmer!! Only one thing to say on that and that is I flippin hope so otherwise I'm doing something wrong..... LOL
LOL try looking for the steering wheel next time!!Or how about speaking to the passenger in a left hand drive car. I always seem to get caught out on that. Nearly arrested the passenger one night 'cos I smelled drink. Got an awful ribbing in the station.:D
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