fight or flight response

April Raine

How do you learn to control the fear response of being assaulted or threatened?

And is it realistic to think that any self defence class can make an ordinary non voilent person able to overcme a thug used to fighting

dlofnep

I think if you train in an environment where you truly and honestly test yourself, where you're pushed to the limit, hit hard enough and thrown around hard enough - when the time comes, you'll be far more confident in yourself.

I never had any confidence in myself when it came to altercations. Being a hair short of 5'5", I was never really in a position to start fights or react harshly when someone was aggressive to me. After a year of BJJ training, the inevitable came and I was attacked - I was more than capable of defending myself and was confident (not over confident) that I would be able to handle the situation. I did and nobody got hurt.

I don't think I would of been able to do the same if I had of been training a martial art where I wasn't pushed around and beat up and tested to where I could honestly assess myself and what I needed to work on.

April Raine

dlofnep wrote: »

I think if you train in an environment where you truly and honestly test yourself, where you're pushed to the limit, hit hard enough and thrown around hard enough - when the time comes, you'll be far more confident in yourself.

I never had any confidence in myself when it came to altercations. Being a hair short of 5'5", I was never really in a position to start fights or react harshly when someone was aggressive to me. After a year of BJJ training, the inevitable came and I was attacked - I was more than capable of defending myself and was confident (not over confident) that I would be able to handle the situation. I did and nobody got hurt.

I don't think I would of been able to do the same if I had of been training a martial art where I wasn't pushed around and beat up and tested to where I could honestly assess myself and what I needed to work on.

I have done some kung fu but found it rough enough being on a spar with the teacher? What is BJJ brazillian ju jitsu? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Jiu-Jitsu
Is that it, a lot of grappling. I was abused by a driver last week when i was caught in traffic and he seemed to think i was responsible for blocking him. i was shaking, how do i stop that? You say no one got hurt was there no fight?

Baggio...

April Raine wrote: »

How do you learn to control the fear response of being assaulted or threatened?

And is it realistic to think that any self defence class can make an ordinary non voilent person able to overcme a thug used to fighting

I don't think so to be honest. Theres a lot of self-defense groups out there that only pay lip service to the adrenal response/fear control, and don't really delve into the subject too deeply.

One of the best ways to become "inoculated" to the freeze effect is to pressure test the material, by using realistic scenario training, combined with other concepts such as "aggression therapy". Also checking your hard skills against such equipment as a "bullet man".
See here as an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0te5xq2ztyc


Hardcore sparring would also help! But not too many people are willing to do it

If you're looking for a self-defense class make sure they address this issue in a pragmatic way.

dlofnep

Yes, it's brazilian jiu-jitsu. And yes, alot of grappling. Nobody got hurt. He pushed me, tried to headbutt me - I took him down, knocked the wind out of him and pinned him with my knee and just held him there. I didn't have to punch him - I did all that was needed to let him know that I wasn't going to let him attack me.

Now, back to your original question. What's the worst that can happen in a one on one alteration? 99% of the time, the person will either swing a punch at you or headbutt you or try to kick you or maybe grab a hold of you trying to push/pull etc..

So if you train with all these in mind, isolating everything down and improving on all of them - and you then test out what you learned in a good rough, hard sparring match in the gym - then you already know what to expect, and chances are that the people that you spar with in the gym have alot more of a chance of beating you than some random Jack on the street.

I'm assuming you're a girl, so my best advice to you would be to always avoid confrontation, but should you ever have to defend yourself - training in a good gym that teaches realistic application will help you greatly should the day ever come. One girl on here, Aisling Daly trains this way and I assure you - I wouldn't like to be the guy or girl that ever tried to attack her on the street. And it all comes down to her realistic training and the methology of most BJJ or MMA gyms.

Watch these videos of BJJ training and let me know what you think: (take into account it's a 1 day session, so it's a little light) - But think of learning the techniques and then getting someone to attack you fairly aggressive so your mind knows how to deal with the panic of the situation.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPweCYGQS4
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtJmDKurkks
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSg0Wlj5RE&

April Raine

Baggio... wrote: »

I don't think so to be honest. Theres a lot of self-defense groups out there that only pay lip service to the adrenal response/fear control, and don't really delve into the subject too deeply.

One of the best ways to become "inoculated" to the freeze effect is to pressure test the material, by using realistic scenario training, combined with other concepts such as "aggression therapy". Also checking your hard skills against such equipment as a "bullet man".
See here as an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0te5xq2ztyc


Hardcore sparring would also help! But not too many people are willing to do it

If you're looking for a self-defense class make sure they address this issue in a pragmatic way.

Thanks for the video but bulletman does not seem to make much effort and the guy fighting him is open to attack. that is what i do not understand about defence moves like grabbing a hand. What will they do with the other one. Stab to the eyes seem efffective but one would need to be a certain type of person. Then there is the law to consider........

April Raine

dlofnep wrote: »

Yes, it's brazilian jiu-jitsu. And yes, alot of grappling. Nobody got hurt. He pushed me, tried to headbutt me - I took him down, knocked the wind out of him and pinned him with my knee and just held him there. I didn't have to punch him - I did all that was needed to let him know that I wasn't going to let him attack me.

Now, back to your original question. What's the worst that can happen in a one on one alteration? 99% of the time, the person will either swing a punch at you or headbutt you or try to kick you or maybe grab a hold of you trying to push/pull etc..

So if you train with all these in mind, isolating everything down and improving on all of them - and you then test out what you learned in a good rough, hard sparring match in the gym - then you already know what to expect, and chances are that the people that you spar with in the gym have alot more of a chance of beating you than some random Jack on the street.

I'm assuming you're a girl, so my best advice to you would be to always avoid confrontation, but should you ever have to defend yourself - training in a good gym that teaches realistic application will help you greatly should the day ever come. One girl on here, Aisling Daly trains this way and I assure you - I wouldn't like to be the guy or girl that ever tried to attack her on the street. And it all comes down to her realistic training and the methology of most BJJ or MMA gyms.

Watch these videos of BJJ training and let me know what you think: (take into account it's a 1 day session, so it's a little light) - But think of learning the techniques and then getting someone to attack you fairly aggressive so your mind knows how to deal with the panic of the situation.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPweCYGQS4
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtJmDKurkks
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSg0Wlj5RE&

Thanks for the links. I think vid 2 is giving a false sense of security able to take anyone on" It is very different shooting something like that when someone is not intending to hurt you. even if she makes a mistake she will not be hurt. In real life the girls in the background throwing each other, they are not resisting or fighting back with their free hand. No offence just think tere is a lot of false sense of being secure and there is no preparation for the fear cos they know they will not get hurt. i would question if a male sparring partner would try his best against a girl

goo

A lot of people train in BJJ for sport/fun/exercise, so it might not be fair to be critical of these videos from a real world self defence perspective.

The only way to really prepare for being attacked in the real world is to recreate the circumstances as authentically as you can, as often as you can. You don't seem to have given much time to the flight option haha, which is the one I'd probably pick if I had the choice.

dlofnep

April Raine wrote: »

Thanks for the links. I think vid 2 is giving a false sense of security able to take anyone on" It is very different shooting something like that when someone is not intending to hurt you. even if she makes a mistake she will not be hurt. In real life the girls in the background throwing each other, they are not resisting or fighting back with their free hand. No offence just think tere is a lot of false sense of being secure and there is no preparation for the fear cos they know they will not get hurt. i would question if a male sparring partner would try his best against a girl

Like I said, that's not sparring. It's just a demonstration of technique for a girl who's only had 1 day training. The sparring element is much more intense and the technique is much more fluid after a few months/years. You'd need to go by a class and see for yourself. Just search youtube for any bjj or mma sparring videos to get a better understanding.

goo

Sorry, I hadn't watched the videos before posting that. That video is clearly intended as an introduction to the world of BJJ for people completely unaware of it.

April Raine

goo wrote: »

A lot of people train in BJJ for sport/fun/exercise, so it might not be fair to be critical of these videos from a real world self defence perspective.

fair enough, I accept that

You don't seem to have given much time to the flight option haha, which is the one I'd probably pick if I had the choice.

well on this occasion i did walk away and probably did not seem scared but when I got back in my car my leg was shaking so much i could barely press the clutch.I would prefer to walk but want to feel i could control myself and fight back if I had no choice

April Raine

dlofnep wrote: »

Like I said, that's not sparring. It's just a demonstration of technique for a girl who's only had 1 day training.

OK

The sparring element is much more intense and the technique is much more fluid after a few months/years. You'd need to go by a class and see for yourself. Just search youtube for any bjj or mma sparring videos to get a better understanding.

Thanks for your help

i think a sweep i.e sweeping the foot from under they guy is very effective but to stay calm enough to do it

I am going to read Geoff Thompson. Meanwhile what is the 'adrenaline dump'

Khannie

April Raine wrote: »

when I got back in my car my leg was shaking so much i could barely press the clutch.

That's just adrenaline kicking in. It's really a fantastic drug / hormone / whatever it is.

As others have pointed out, the best way to build up confidence in your ability to take someone on should the worst happen (that you can't get away and need to defend yourself) is to spar in a realistic way.

I'd say give MMA a look. If I were looking to build up the skills to defend myself it's what I'd be doing. BJJ is also worth a look (MMA heads tend to use BJJ for the grappling part).

Combatives is worth a look also. It deals with things that MMA doesn't (i.e. lack of rules, etc.). Geoff Thompson's probably a good place to start.

dlofnep

April Raine wrote: »

i think a sweep i.e sweeping the foot from under they guy is very effective but to stay calm enough to do it

That's where sparring comes in It makes you comfortable to things like mount escapes, so that they become first nature to you and you'd do them instinctively. I really think you need to go around to a few various gyms and see what's going to give you what I like to call - honest confidence.

April Raine

Thanks everyone. i am going to get Geoff Thomson book and Streetwise. Also i now understand my reaction was quite normal, having read some excerpts from GT and from here, so i need to work at acting while having the adrenalin rush. i am more interested in psychological ways to avoid and GT goes into that as well as reading signals of aggressive behaviour. i think distraction is a very good psychological technique. Thanks again, if you guys have anything to add please do so i can consider all

Baggio...

April Raine wrote: »

Thanks for the video but bulletman does not seem to make much effort and the guy fighting him is open to attack. that is what i do not understand about defence moves like grabbing a hand. What will they do with the other one. Stab to the eyes seem efffective but one would need to be a certain type of person. Then there is the law to consider........

Remember, that vid is only for beginners and getting them used to dealing with stress. When I did something similar we were going full contact.:)
It wouldn't be exactly fair to put a beginner through that - it certainly would not give them much in the way of confidence if they were getting battered. It's something you have to work up to.

Also, don't worry about the hand grabbing thing - I'm not advocating their techniques - it just an example of how equipment can be used. All techniques should be "non-specific anyway".

Geoff Thompson's stuff is excellent! hence the term aggression therapy - it's one of Geoff's.

However, if you don't think you'll be able to put your finger in someones eye, and are worrying about the law when the chips are down, when you are facing the possibility of life threatening danger (Also remember the "level of force to level of threat" principal). Then you are at a SEVERE psychological disadvantage... and will most likely come out second best. There is no time to perform a diagnostic....

phoenix-MT

Hey April,

Conflict resolution and management training is a great advantage to self defence. apart from the obvious (talking somebody down and avoiding confrontation), it will also teach you about triggers.
(just quickly-wont bore you) but imagine a conflict diagram as a circle. "My Attitude" affects "My Behaviour" which affects "your Attitude" which affetcs "Your Behaviour" which affects "My Attitude" again and so on. In conflict you have "Triggers", if you understand these triggers then you can control the situation from escalating and/or predict whats about to happen.

The adrenaline kicks in when your brain realises your in a potentially dangerous situation-so you get the Fight or Flight. Adrenaline is a chemical pumped around the body to improve muscle performance and concentration, it will only last around 30 seconds. The shakey feeling you get is the affect of it, usually more so if the situation dissolves and you neither ran or fought!

The most important thing to do is not "see the red mist" (get angry)-Your eyesight will focus only on your attacker and you will loose sight of what is going on around you (peripheral vision), you will loose concentration and reasoning etc. Remain calm even if it does get physical, sounds stupid but its hard to explain briefly.
As far as training in a MA (martial art) goes, anything will help you. I am not going to be biased, i am a Muay Thai instructor but i also run a security company and have been involved in a lot of hostile siuations. So in my oppinion most MA's will give you more confidence in yourself, and self control if you are unfortunate enough to end up in a fight or argument.

As far as your altercation goes....sounds like a nice lad you "blocked in" :-)

One final thing, keep it simple! MA's like Aikido are amazing but take a long time to learn. I would not recomend rist, leg, arm locks or anything like that unless you are experienced in them or have to restrain someone. On a lad, Block then, (as much as i do not like to say this) go for the jewels and run away. It really does depend on the situation and threat level, for instance if some one came at me with a knife... i would have no problems eye gouging, biting, head butting etc. Personally i would rather be tried by 12, the carried by 6 but thats just me! Goodluck.

April Raine

Does anyone know how much of geoff thompsons book deals with the fear/psychology as distinct from the physical as it is the former I want to study

April Raine

phoenix-MT wrote: »

Hey April,

Conflict resolution and management training is a great advantage to self defence. apart from the obvious (talking somebody down and avoiding confrontation), it will also teach you about triggers.
(just quickly-wont bore you) but imagine a conflict diagram as a circle. "My Attitude" affects "My Behaviour" which affects "your Attitude" which affetcs "Your Behaviour" which affects "My Attitude" again and so on. In conflict you have "Triggers", if you understand these triggers then you can control the situation from escalating and/or predict whats about to happen.

The adrenaline kicks in when your brain realises your in a potentially dangerous situation-so you get the Fight or Flight. Adrenaline is a chemical pumped around the body to improve muscle performance and concentration, it will only last around 30 seconds. The shakey feeling you get is the affect of it, usually more so if the situation dissolves and you neither ran or fought!

The most important thing to do is not "see the red mist" (get angry)-Your eyesight will focus only on your attacker and you will loose sight of what is going on around you (peripheral vision), you will loose concentration and reasoning etc. Remain calm even if it does get physical, sounds stupid but its hard to explain briefly.
As far as training in a MA (martial art) goes, anything will help you. I am not going to be biased, i am a Muay Thai instructor but i also run a security company and have been involved in a lot of hostile siuations. So in my oppinion most MA's will give you more confidence in yourself, and self control if you are unfortunate enough to end up in a fight or argument.

As far as your altercation goes....sounds like a nice lad you "blocked in" :-)

One final thing, keep it simple! MA's like Aikido are amazing but take a long time to learn. I would not recomend rist, leg, arm locks or anything like that unless you are experienced in them or have to restrain someone. On a lad, Block then, (as much as i do not like to say this) go for the jewels and run away. It really does depend on the situation and threat level, for instance if some one came at me with a knife... i would have no problems eye gouging, biting, head butting etc. Personally i would rather be tried by 12, the carried by 6 but thats just me! Goodluck.

Hi
Can you suggest how conflict resolution would have helped me deal with this 'nice lad'? i didn't even block him in he was behind me in traffic and i could not move he seemed to think i was in charge of the street! Many thanks

phoenix-MT

I meant it in general, how it can help. Conflict management isnt about being all nice and backing down, it also shows you the signs of people when they are about to get physical. Just because someone is screaming there head off at you, doesnt neccesseraly mean they are going to hit you. (unless of course you make it worse). In your situation (from what i can gather), there is probably nothing you could have done... apart from remaining clam and just letting it go over your head and forgeting about it (which i know is easier sad than done). As far as Geoffs thompson goes, hes a great lad and you can learn alot from him

April Raine

phoenix-MT wrote: »

I In your situation (from what i can gather), there is probably nothing you could have done...

i understand it better now

As far as Geoffs thompson goes, hes a great lad and you can learn alot from him

i found this
http://www.fighttimes.com/magazine/magazine.asp?article=258

Baggio...

April Raine wrote: »

i understand it better now

i found this
http://www.fighttimes.com/magazine/magazine.asp?article=258

Yep, buy the book - "dead or alive". Some great stuff in there.

Hello, like you the adrenalin dump can effect me quite bad, to the point i can't talk but i find this can be walked off, this also tends to happen after the fact, so i wouldn't be to concerned about what happens after, just trust yourself, the things that kept me safe working as a prison officer and being a natural born coward were to keep it simple and learn one technique, anything thats going to hurt, also as Geoff Thompson would say "be mindful of the bridge" and decide what your triggers will be beforehand IE.. if somebody raised a hand to you how would you react,this will speed up your reaction to a situation, i have seen some people allow themselves to be hit because they got caught in the headlights of the situation, for me i would concentrate on my bridge and where i am going to land my punch if at anytime during the situation he crosses the line, this speeds everything up because if he gets punched it's initiated by him and i don't have any should i, shouldn't i conversations in my head, because i have already agreed with myself how i would react. I don't have a problems with fear like i use to because i have accepted that i could get hurt and in accepting it i don't worry about it also i know if somebody wants to hurt me nothing i could say will change their minds, in any given situation it always better to run but if you have to put hands on somebody, it has to be 100% effort and then run, hope my rambling helped, Gary.

Baggio...

To anyone that is interested,

Lee Morrison has just released a couple of DVDs on the subject - they cover all aspects of "fear control", and "Combative state". They are very cool, and will well equip anyone with the skills they'll need for this type of subject. They're the best stuff I've seen so far.

Available here:
http://www.urbancombatives.com/fearcontrol.htm
http://www.urbancombatives.com/state.htm

Here's a few reviews:
http://selfprotection.lightbb.com/q-a-with-lee-morrison-f14/fear-control-and-combative-mindset-dvd-set-t5929.htm

April Raine

phoenix-MT wrote: »

I meant it in general, how it can help. Conflict management isnt about being all nice and backing down,

I have read pieces about using psychology and NLP particularly the pattern interrupt technique of making a meaningless off the wall comment Do you think this is of value. I prefer to use psychology to avoid confrontation if possible

April Raine

To the person who sent me a PM spam please do not do this.

FiannaGym.com

Hey,

hopefully this is a very rare occurrence. I assume it is and that is why people have trouble dealing with the adrenaline dump.

Therefore, I'm not sure it's really worth the effort to suppress what is a very healthy and normal response. Besides, there are many people who just engage in violent and aggressive behaviour all the time. If you encounter one of these people your always going to have a more extreme reaction to the situation than they will.

I know you are interested in the fear element but they way to minimise this is to minimise the number of times you encounter these types of situations, and after that minimise what can happen in those situations (lock you car doors and wind up the windows, take the guys number plate or a photo of him on your phone).

Basically, it will be much more rewarding and a much more successful endeavour to invest your time avoiding these situations, surrounding yourself with good people and places than trying to learn to control these feelings.

That said, if you do want to arrive at a point where you are better at handling this type of situation take up a competitive martial art and actually compete.
It is very rare that you will set up the feeling of immense nervousness in training. However just before any "full contact" competition (MMA, Mauy Thai, San Shou, BJJ, Submission Wrestling, Olympic Wrestling, Sambo, Boxing, Kick Boxing, Judo) you may very well have that feeling - intense pressure to act, to succeed in the face of an "aggressive" opponent. So if you are serious about it your talking about a long road of training and then competing, which is massively rewarding. Most likely though, just forget about it, move on, be happy that nothing bad happened and be confident that nothing bad will happen as long as you surround yourself with nice, fun people.

Peace

April Raine

FiannaGym.com wrote: »

Basically, it will be much more rewarding and a much more successful endeavour to invest your time avoiding these situations, surrounding yourself with good people and places than trying to learn to control these feelings.Peace

That is hardly the point

Baggio...

April Raine wrote: »

That is hardly the point

Um... he was only offering an opinion.

Sounds like you already have all the answers... So there doesn't seem much point in asking anyone here.

SorGan

April Raine wrote: »

That is hardly the point

i think he addressed the issue quite well in the rest of his post.

April Raine

What do people think of the claim that gross muscle movement is the only one avaulable in fight/flight situations and its implication for martial arts using fancy or intricate techniques. On topic only please. Thanks

When I did kung fu the teacher would say to do a front kick properly the knee should be raised up and the kick from there otherwise no power, but in a video yesterday I saw this idea disputed as the simple flip kick being better when in fight/flight

pearsquasher

Hi April...

For other really good info on "Self Defence" including much on the psychology of it I recomend this website http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/

I think it's a one-stop-shop for anyone who's thinking of doing a martial art for self-defence. (I don't - I do it for the physical/mental enjoyment of it)

As for your flight/fight questions:

From experience I agree that gross-motor skills will be better when faced with the tunnel vision experience of actual unwanted aggression. A good martial art club that has these more "intricate" technique its its repetoire, will train the finer stuff well enough so it too becomes natural and not something that a mind under pressure, as in a real "fight", will need to conciously think about.

In the Bujikan, the techniques you learn work best when they're unconciously done by the body, while your mind is racing and strategising your escape from danger. Takes many years though!

Blazer

There are books you can get on how to learn how to control the adrenaline rush..you can let it back after the fight etc and this gives you the great feeling of still being alive:D

All professional bikers/F1 racers learn how to block the adrenaline as normally the fight or flight rush is there to save you..however in racing this actually acts again you as it causes euphoria and tunnel vision..ie you eyes narrow and become completely focused on what's on front of you..for racers this is very bad as they need to be very aware of what's going on around them peripheriphally.
It's the number enemy for them especially in an oncoming crash situation where they can't see what happending to left or right or behind. Bikers especially.

Baggio...

April Raine wrote: »

What do people think of the claim that gross muscle movement is the only one avaulable in fight/flight situations and its implication for martial arts using fancy or intricate techniques. On topic only please. Thanks

Theres a very easy way to find out... Geoff Thompson calls it "pressure testing".

Get your boxing gloves on, set up a street type scenario, and go all out (full contact and at close range) then try to use your Kung Fu, or another "fine motor skill". Then try the same scenario, but with using "gross motor skills". You'll find out rather quickly which one works best.:D

"Feeling is believing", as Peter Conterdine would say.

Always best to learn from experience.:D

HammerHeadGym

April Raine wrote: »

Does anyone know how much of geoff thompsons book deals with the fear/psychology as distinct from the physical as it is the former I want to study

You want to check out 'Fear: the friend of exceptional people' then.

cowzerp

Look, learn something that makes you feel like you could kick ass if needed, boxing, muay thai will do this, then for extra confidence learn judo, or bjj for grappling aspects and defending takedowns and learning to get up if you are brought down! the confidence you have will be a great deterrent and if something happens you will be able to react to the best of your physical capabilities.

ps, training in all these may not be practical for you so just try mma..great fun and realistic. and will get you fit.

ryoishin

Get R.E.A.C.T by steve collins its in chapters on parnell st. Excellent book, talks about fear motivation etc in self defence.

HammerHeadGym

Is that Steve Collins the boxer?

April Raine

Thanks guys for all the feedback. I read Geoff Thompsons book Dead or Alive and Fighting Without Fighting both of which are available free online.

I must order the one about fear. I feel different re my reaction to the 'gentleman' ha and see it as a normal response not necessarily fear and probably was worse cos there was no way to work it off as nothing happened. The way my leg was weak on the clutch reminded me in hindsight of when i was taking my driving test

Baggio...

HammerHeadGym wrote: »

Is that Steve Collins the boxer?

I think it is - if so I'd like to read it. He had some good psychological tools.

April Raine

What is a kubitan and are they legal in ireland

April Raine

ryoishin wrote: »

Get R.E.A.C.T by steve collins its in chapters on parnell st. Excellent book, talks about fear motivation etc in self defence.

This?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Think-Safe-Act-Stay/dp/0007102364/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1212519210&sr=11-1

pearsquasher

What is a kubitan and are they legal in Ireland

A quick google shows its a small pen-sized metal bar used as a weapon but fairly inoxious looking. So it's a close range weapon and so to use it you got to be up close - and if your up close and unable to get away you better assume they have mates and weapons and so you better know how to use it. A personal safety alarm would be better and would take less training.

If you want training though..I recomend Bujinkan

Have you read http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/... you won't need to buy another book in my opinion.

ryoishin

Nah its not the boxer.

He came up with the R.E.A.C.T. way of coping with the stress involved in a self defence situation and publishes a free magazine with stuff in it about security, swat teams etc. Theres a good section in the book by Tony Blouer (sp?) who developed some training gear for law enforcement thats also used by Randy Coture in training, ill link a vid when im not in work.

April Raine

pearsquasher wrote: »

A quick google shows its a small pen-sized metal bar used as a weapon but fairly inoxious looking. So it's a close range weapon and so to use it you got to be up close - and if your up close and unable to get away you better assume they have mates and weapons and so you better know how to use it. A personal safety alarm would be better and would take less training.

If you want training though..I recomend Bujinkan

Have you read http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/... you won't need to buy another book in my opinion.

OK thanks;)

Baggio...

ryoishin wrote: »

Nah its not the boxer./QUOTE]

Ah.... But if he's affiliated to Tony Blauer that means it probably worth a look.

Saw a Blauer DVD recently - it was very good (ABC's vid). I've seen his SPEAR system before, which was alright, but his "ABC" vid is much better, and well worth a look.

ryoishin

I dont know much about Blauer only his name has been knocking around that industry for awhile.

Baggio...

He's got some really good stuff, worth checking out. And to be fair to him he was doing this type of research before most people were.

Heres just one I found, there is quite a bit on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_Ai8qT2s4

Cheers,

R.

ryoishin

http://www.gofish.com/mma/culture.gfp

Bleur talking about the suit he uses, its also a good site for mma training vids.

Baggio...

ryoishin wrote: »

http://www.gofish.com/mma/culture.gfp

Bleur talking about the suit he uses, its also a good site for mma training vids.

Nice Clip, good site too.

I like his "Hi-Gear" stuff, I was thinking of getting one, well, the helmet part anyway. The whole thing comes to about a thousand quid!:eek:

ryoishin

Ive seen kendo gear that costs more, if its durable it would be a good investment.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL3WUMNLjAA&NR=1

this is funny buts its one of my favourite techniques, i pulled it off in sparing once.