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fight or flight response

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pearsquasher


    Hi April...

    For other really good info on "Self Defence" including much on the psychology of it I recomend this website http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/

    I think it's a one-stop-shop for anyone who's thinking of doing a martial art for self-defence. (I don't - I do it for the physical/mental enjoyment of it)

    As for your flight/fight questions:

    From experience I agree that gross-motor skills will be better when faced with the tunnel vision experience of actual unwanted aggression. A good martial art club that has these more "intricate" technique its its repetoire, will train the finer stuff well enough so it too becomes natural and not something that a mind under pressure, as in a real "fight", will need to conciously think about.

    In the Bujikan, the techniques you learn work best when they're unconciously done by the body, while your mind is racing and strategising your escape from danger. Takes many years though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    There are books you can get on how to learn how to control the adrenaline rush..you can let it back after the fight etc and this gives you the great feeling of still being alive:D

    All professional bikers/F1 racers learn how to block the adrenaline as normally the fight or flight rush is there to save you..however in racing this actually acts again you as it causes euphoria and tunnel vision..ie you eyes narrow and become completely focused on what's on front of you..for racers this is very bad as they need to be very aware of what's going on around them peripheriphally.
    It's the number enemy for them especially in an oncoming crash situation where they can't see what happending to left or right or behind. Bikers especially.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Baggio...


    What do people think of the claim that gross muscle movement is the only one avaulable in fight/flight situations and its implication for martial arts using fancy or intricate techniques. On topic only please. Thanks


    Theres a very easy way to find out... Geoff Thompson calls it "pressure testing".

    Get your boxing gloves on, set up a street type scenario, and go all out (full contact and at close range) then try to use your Kung Fu, or another "fine motor skill". Then try the same scenario, but with using "gross motor skills". You'll find out rather quickly which one works best.:D

    "Feeling is believing", as Peter Conterdine would say.

    Always best to learn from experience.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    Does anyone know how much of geoff thompsons book deals with the fear/psychology as distinct from the physical as it is the former I want to study

    You want to check out 'Fear: the friend of exceptional people' then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Look, learn something that makes you feel like you could kick ass if needed, boxing, muay thai will do this, then for extra confidence learn judo, or bjj for grappling aspects and defending takedowns and learning to get up if you are brought down! the confidence you have will be a great deterrent and if something happens you will be able to react to the best of your physical capabilities.

    ps, training in all these may not be practical for you so just try mma..great fun and realistic. and will get you fit.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ryoishin


    Get R.E.A.C.T by steve collins its in chapters on parnell st. Excellent book, talks about fear motivation etc in self defence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    Is that Steve Collins the boxer?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭April Raine


    Thanks guys for all the feedback. I read Geoff Thompsons book Dead or Alive and Fighting Without Fighting both of which are available free online.

    I must order the one about fear. I feel different re my reaction to the 'gentleman' ha and see it as a normal response not necessarily fear and probably was worse cos there was no way to work it off as nothing happened. The way my leg was weak on the clutch reminded me in hindsight of when i was taking my driving test


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Baggio...


    Is that Steve Collins the boxer?

    I think it is - if so I'd like to read it. He had some good psychological tools.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭April Raine


    What is a kubitan and are they legal in ireland


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭April Raine


    ryoishin wrote: »
    Get R.E.A.C.T by steve collins its in chapters on parnell st. Excellent book, talks about fear motivation etc in self defence.
    This?

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Think-Safe-Act-Stay/dp/0007102364/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1212519210&sr=11-1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pearsquasher


    What is a kubitan and are they legal in Ireland

    A quick google shows its a small pen-sized metal bar used as a weapon but fairly inoxious looking. So it's a close range weapon and so to use it you got to be up close - and if your up close and unable to get away you better assume they have mates and weapons and so you better know how to use it. A personal safety alarm would be better and would take less training.

    If you want training though..I recomend Bujinkan :)

    Have you read http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/... you won't need to buy another book in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ryoishin


    Nah its not the boxer.

    He came up with the R.E.A.C.T. way of coping with the stress involved in a self defence situation and publishes a free magazine with stuff in it about security, swat teams etc. Theres a good section in the book by Tony Blouer (sp?) who developed some training gear for law enforcement thats also used by Randy Coture in training, ill link a vid when im not in work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭April Raine


    A quick google shows its a small pen-sized metal bar used as a weapon but fairly inoxious looking. So it's a close range weapon and so to use it you got to be up close - and if your up close and unable to get away you better assume they have mates and weapons and so you better know how to use it. A personal safety alarm would be better and would take less training.

    If you want training though..I recomend Bujinkan :)

    Have you read http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/... you won't need to buy another book in my opinion.
    OK thanks;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Baggio...


    ryoishin wrote: »
    Nah its not the boxer./QUOTE]

    Ah.... But if he's affiliated to Tony Blauer that means it probably worth a look.

    Saw a Blauer DVD recently - it was very good (ABC's vid). I've seen his SPEAR system before, which was alright, but his "ABC" vid is much better, and well worth a look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ryoishin


    I dont know much about Blauer only his name has been knocking around that industry for awhile.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Baggio...


    He's got some really good stuff, worth checking out. And to be fair to him he was doing this type of research before most people were.

    Heres just one I found, there is quite a bit on youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_Ai8qT2s4

    Cheers,

    R.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ryoishin


    http://www.gofish.com/mma/culture.gfp

    Bleur talking about the suit he uses, its also a good site for mma training vids.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Baggio...


    ryoishin wrote: »
    http://www.gofish.com/mma/culture.gfp

    Bleur talking about the suit he uses, its also a good site for mma training vids.

    Nice Clip, good site too. :)

    I like his "Hi-Gear" stuff, I was thinking of getting one, well, the helmet part anyway. The whole thing comes to about a thousand quid!:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ryoishin


    Ive seen kendo gear that costs more, if its durable it would be a good investment.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL3WUMNLjAA&NR=1

    this is funny buts its one of my favourite techniques, i pulled it off in sparing once.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Baggio...


    ryoishin wrote: »
    this is funny buts its one of my favourite techniques, i pulled it off in sparing once.

    Hah... it's a cool clip! I was waiting for Blauer to be all concerned for knocking the poor guy out - but he just chucks him into the water! :D:D I've seen Richard Dimitri use that technique to very good effect on some full contact demos (He was Blauer's student at one point).

    I'll probably start buying some of the High Gear (piece by piece:)).

    On the last UC instructors course, we were looking at multiples. Lee got one of his students to wear the head gear. It could stand a decent amount of punishment, but in no way full contact (as Blauer points out - but that's not really that purpose).

    Lee also used a great demo of flinging his keys into the students eyes, at full force (he was the one wearing the helmet:)). Momentarily distracting him while he motored on the second guy. By the time the helmet guy recovered Lee was already on him - so you'd even get a much greater effect - if you did it into the old eyeballs with no helmet. Of course this assumes that you had keys to hand - it's not something you'd go looking for.


    Here's Dimitri using a similar concept, but applied for counter knife (think Jon may have posted this before).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qxIcnaXHDk


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