"Clothes Collection" leaflets

keen

You know the ones, always on ****ty A4 printing papper, has a ****ty graphic and a fake chairty name. Also has an 085 number that is there for show always rings out.

I get about three of these a week in the door, there was a break in down the road and apparently it was by a gang operating as one of these. You always get a bag to leave on your doorstop on your collection day, the chaps call to to collect the bag and suss it if it's worth robbing go off and tell other chaps to rob the gaff.

Always knew they weren't making their money out of selling on your old skanky clothes you thought were going to chairty so never took part. The house that got robbed donated once or twice must of known they were all at work on the day they broke in.

Steve

Lot of assumtions there.

I never give anything to these guys - everyone knows they're fake.

Free bin bags FTW.;)

keen

I know the neighbour and that's what he said, no reason to think he would lie tbh.

Some of them are legit and not everyone knows or else it wouldn't of happened to him, some people really are that stupid.

biko

I have 5 of them in my basement, leaflets I mean

Capt'n Midnight

get loads of these every week even though there are bring centrs for old cloths at local shopping centre

obviously there is no deterent to doing this so the penalties or enforcement must go up until its stamped out

ronbyrne2005

I doubt they were involved with the burgalaries. None of them are genuinely legitimate. Some claim to donate to charity but they only give a few pence from each pound they make to a charity. They collect the old clothes which can be sold for something like 500pound per ton. The clothes get shipped to asia and recycled. There was a good piece about these outfits on BBC northern Ireland where they seem to come from.

keen

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

I doubt they were involved with the burgalaries. None of them are genuinely legitimate. Some claim to donate to charity but they only give a few pence from each pound they make to a charity. They collect the old clothes which can be sold for something like 500pound per ton. The clothes get shipped to asia and recycled. There was a good piece about these outfits on BBC northern Ireland where they seem to come from.

Trust me they cased the gaff and robbed it under the mask of clothes collectors, there may be money in tons of clothes but there's quicker money inside peoples houses.

ronbyrne2005

keen wrote: »

Trust me they cased the gaff and robbed it under the mask of clothes collectors, there may be money in tons of clothes but there's quicker money inside peoples houses.

Can you post evidence of any of these clothes collectors being convicted of burgalry? They would'nt last long if they were robbing the people they were collecting from, especially when they post their mobile numbers on leaflets. A person seeking to rob a house could knock into house to see if it is unoccupied under any pretence, it's a bit ellaborate to collect clothes and post leaflets. Thieves don't need to do something like this. I have seen several people delivering these leaflets and they more mostly women and didnt "look " dodgy.

Bard

http://clothingcollection.org/

keen

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

Can you post evidence of any of these clothes collectors being convicted of burgalry? They would'nt last long if they were robbing the people they were collecting from, especially when they post their mobile numbers on leaflets. A person seeking to rob a house could knock into house to see if it is unoccupied under any pretence, it's a bit ellaborate to collect clothes and post leaflets. Thieves don't need to do something like this. I have seen several people delivering these leaflets and they more mostly women and didnt "look " dodgy.

So there for all of them are legit because the ones you have seen didn't look dodgey?

What evidence could I possibly post you? Stop asking silly questions that you know have no answer.

There not in it for the clothes, they don't return to the same area twice. There's orgainsed crime aswell as opportunistic and this is one of the scams that was sussed when they were caught. Why would I lie about such a trivial thing?

MooseJam

i get these too, didnt know they were a criminal enterprise

Phibsboro

My understanding was that it was simply a commercial enterprise were the only scam element was the invocation of some charitable cause to elicit the clothes. I honestly can't see how it might be part of a more sinister plot - what part of the process helps the would be robbers decide you are worth robbing? Are you inviting them into your house to collect the bags? Are they going through the clothes you leave out and basing it on that? If instead you are suggesting that they are looking through the window as they pass by then there must be many other, less convoluted, ways to do that...

C

keen

Phibsboro wrote: »

My understanding was that it was simply a commercial enterprise were the only scam element was the invocation of some charitable cause to elicit the clothes. I honestly can't see how it might be part of a more sinister plot - what part of the process helps the would be robbers decide you are worth robbing? Are you inviting them into your house to collect the bags? Are they going through the clothes you leave out and basing it on that? If instead you are suggesting that they are looking through the window as they pass by then there must be many other, less convoluted, ways to do that...

C

I'm sure there is less convoluted ways to do it doesn't mean it never happens.

They call to the houses to "collect the clothes" or get their bag back and find out if the house is worth hitting rather then walking up randomly and smashing the back window, can't you see how it would work better? Most of them are commerical scams.

The Guards caught the people that done it as they had done a few houses in the surrounding areas.

What I don't understand is people read a topic and say "no that doesn't happen" because it never happened to you, why would I lie? If people don't take stuff on face value what's the point in reading anything on a forum. Your understanding is based on your experience not everyones.

ronbyrne2005

I ain't saying no one does'nt do it just if anyone does it's very rare. I'd say vast majority are just after the clothes. They can get a few euro for every full bag they collect, and collect a few hundred bags a week across Dublin, so make decent money for little work and no risk of jail. People who break into houses are either junkies or experienced burgulars. Neither would be walking around putting hundreds of bags and letters(containing contact mobile number that could be traced) into hundreds of houses. If any of these people putting the bags and leaflets into doors are also involved in burgalry they would be easily caught and prosecuted and it wouldbe all over Liveline and in court reports in paper. Post a link to one of these collectors caught doing such illegal activities. What likely happened is these people were collecting in an area at same time as burgalries occured and ignorant people put two and two together and got ten. No evidence then don't bother posting with unsubstantiated rumour and hersay.
Good afternoon.

keen

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

I ain't saying no one does'nt do it just if anyone does it's very rare. I'd say vast majority are just after the clothes. They can get a few euro for every full bag they collect, and collect a few hundred bags a week across Dublin, so make decent money for little work and no risk of jail. People who break into houses are either junkies or experienced burgulars. Neither would be walking around putting hundreds of bags and letters(containing contact mobile number that could be traced) into hundreds of houses. If any of these people putting the bags and leaflets into doors are also involved in burgalry they would be easily caught and prosecuted and it wouldbe all over Liveline and in court reports in paper. Post a link to one of these collectors caught doing such illegal activities. What likely happened is these people were collecting in an area at same time as burgalries occured and ignorant people put two and two together and got ten. No evidence then don't bother posting with unsubstantiated rumour and hersay.
Good afternoon.

What evidence would you like? What do you want be to provide you with?

The Guards told the victim of the robbery that this is what they thought was going on and I'd say they knowmore then you seeing as they investigated the matter, and there's no way the mobile number could be traced. You can a buy sim card for 15 euro and give no details.

Terry

I saw the cops pull one of the vans at the end of my road last week.
The back of the van was filled with the yellow clothes bags, similar to the van I saw a couple of months back.

There is no doubt in my mind that they are scammers.

Sherifu

Never used to give anything to these guys. Free bags was about it. Scam scam scam.

Robertttt

oh yes i've heard of these "charity" clothes collectors.
actually read it on the sunday indepedent.....they are like eastern european gangs that do it! they compete for the bags with actual charities.....i mean getting there before them and everything! then they send to clothes to poland or somewhere like that and actually sell them!

KTRIC

Robertttt wrote: »

oh yes i've heard of these "charity" clothes collectors.
actually read it on the sunday indepedent.....they are like eastern european gangs that do it! they compete for the bags with actual charities.....i mean getting there before them and everything! then they send to clothes to poland or somewhere like that and actually sell them!

You'll get the shock of your life when you find out that Poland is not in Eastern Europe :rolleyes:

Robertttt

KTRIC wrote: »

You'll get the shock of your life when you find out that Poland is not in Eastern Europe :rolleyes:

ah yes it is!

doonothing

Hahaha what? my mam always sends out the bags of clothes, more cos it just forces everyone to clear out the clothes that no one wears anymore on a semi-regular basis.

Suuuurely this plot is the exact same as just randomly walking up and down streets to decide who to rob. I mean, I wouldn't be as concerned about who to rob, so much as when to rob. Why not go out to some random country house in the middle of nowhere every week and take everything, not too many cameras or neighbours or guards, I mean that's much simpler than organising a clothing collection, giving out all the bags, going out and getting back all the bags etc etc.

I just can't see the benefit of it..

keen

doonothing wrote: »

Hahaha what? my mam always sends out the bags of clothes, more cos it just forces everyone to clear out the clothes that no one wears anymore on a semi-regular basis.

Suuuurely this plot is the exact same as just randomly walking up and down streets to decide who to rob. I mean, I wouldn't be as concerned about who to rob, so much as when to rob. Why not go out to some random country house in the middle of nowhere every week and take everything, not too many cameras or neighbours or guards, I mean that's much simpler than organising a clothing collection, giving out all the bags, going out and getting back all the bags etc etc.

I just can't see the benefit of it..

Yore mas a mong.

I think you'd spot a robber quicker if he was randomly walking up and down drive ways with no purpose. They don't put a lot of time into the whole clothes lark not the thieving ones anyway.

doonothing

keen wrote: »

Yore mas a mong.

I think you'd spot a robber quicker if he was randomly walking up and down drive ways with no purpose. They don't put a lot of time into the whole clothes lark not the thieving ones anyway.

A yore ma joke! LOOOOOL!!!!!

A robber literally needs to walk up and down a driveway to decide which house to rob? Couldn't judge by area/seeing the inhabitants of the house/make of car/multitude of other reasons no?

If you're going to rob a house, it would be a hell of a lot easier to judge on a whole load of factors which house to rob, rather than starting an elaborate clothes collecting scheme. I'm just not buying that one.

Enii

Scam, Yes. Something more sinister like a front for robbery, No!

The clothes do not go to charity. They get sold on - mainly for recycling.

The poster who thinks it is a front for a house robbing ring is a little bit gulible methinks. They should consider a story they have heard fully and examine it before they go off repeating it. Just because they heard it from a friend does not mean it's true.

echosound

they seem to be going to extreme lengths to avoid being seen by householders lately- last night, at exactly 4.30am, I was woken by a noise in the hall and raced downstairs to see what was happening. Bloody "collector" going round dropping the bags in through letterboxes at 4.30am on a sunday night/bank holiday monday morning to avoid confrontation/detection from householders - if I had time enough to throw some clothes on before he left the cul de sac, I would have gone out and tore strips off him for disturbing the entire household at such an hour - our dogs were going nuts. Dread to think how many young children/babies the git woke up on his rounds.

Seems they're doing it at this hour to avoid people like me running out with the bag and telling them not to drop them in our lettbox again/or to avoid detection whereby people could ring to notify guards of bogus collectors currently operating in a certain estate.

MrsJohnMurphy

echosound wrote: »

they seem to be going to extreme lengths to avoid being seen by householders lately- last night, at exactly 4.30am, I was woken by a noise in the hall and raced downstairs to see what was happening. Bloody "collector" going round dropping the bags in through letterboxes at 4.30am on a sunday night/bank holiday monday morning to avoid confrontation/detection from householders - if I had time enough to throw some clothes on before he left the cul de sac, I would have gone out and tore strips off him for disturbing the entire household at such an hour - our dogs were going nuts. Dread to think how many young children/babies the git woke up on his rounds.

This seems to be their modus operandi. One night I was awake at half four and heard the letter box clanging. Jumped up outta the bed and looked out the window and just barely caught a glimpse of them going out the gate.

A law should be brought in making it illegal to be delivering leaflets during the night!

MJM

keen

Enii wrote: »

Scam, Yes. Something more sinister like a front for robbery, No!

The clothes do not go to charity. They get sold on - mainly for recycling.

The poster who thinks it is a front for a house robbing ring is a little bit gulible methinks. They should consider a story they have heard fully and examine it before they go off repeating it. Just because they heard it from a friend does not mean it's true.

Suppose I should of told the neighbour his house wasn't robbed and he dreamt the guards explanation, I'm not gullible just wouldn't call him a liar as I know no better. I'm thinking of giving it a go myself seems a fair few people wouldn't bat an eye lid if I was to walk up and down their drive ways at mad hourse of the morning.

mike65

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mike65/001.jpg

I reckon I get one every 48 hours on average, how many items of old clothing etc do these people think we have?

Mike.

keen

mike65 wrote: »

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mike65/001.jpg

I reckon I get one every 48 hours on average, how many items of old clothing etc do these people think we have?

Mike.

Jaysus they look fairly decent compared to the one I got, was plain A4 paper with a black text on it, looked like a clip art job.

hairymolly

These people would not be in business if people supported thier local charity shops.

jjbrien

i have not had to buy any bin bags for the last 2 years its been quality i dont give any clothes to these folk i take them down the local charity shop