M1 Collusion Southbound

kluivert

GF is stuck in traffic since half seven this morning and now its nine o clock.

First of all, I hope the two men in hospital recover ok.

Second, at 2.30am how could a crash like this happen.

Two Art Lorries collide with a car and a transit van.

Every time I drive up and down the M1, people drive within yards of the car in front. Do people not realise the danger they put themselve in and other too. Drivers mentality in this country needs to change quick, not this attitude that am in front Fcuk you!, or going faster than you get out of my way.

Its a overtaking lane not a fast lane. Is this so hard to understand.

GF is at a stand still for the last ten minutes, she rings me to tell me that people are pulling in and out of lanes consistently, people are driving up the hard shoulder and use the roundabout flyovers to overtake by coming down the other side. Just seems that drivers will never learn because of their thick stupid attitude to safety while driving.

One thing as well, there is alot of NI reg vehicles that would need to learn to slow down as well. doing 100mph or 160kph will get only save you about 10-15 mins on a journey from Newry to Dublin compared to someone travelling at 75mph or 120kph.

Lastly, why is it taking so long to clear an accident that happened at 2.30am this morning.

ImDave

The Garda talking on Morning Ireland was saying there was a possability of light fog in the area at the time, but still hard to imagine how such an accident could occur.

They are saying it won't be open for upto 8 hours. Really the Gardai or NRA or whoever should have better plans in operation for this sort of thing.

brayblue24

kluivert wrote: »

Lastly, why is it taking so long to clear an accident that happened at 2.30am this morning.

Accident investigations in this country have changed in recent times. Gone are the days when the object of the exercise was to clear up the debris and get the traffic flowing again with as little inconvenience as possible. Nowadays the Gardai have a special unit of Traffic Investigators. The reason the roads stay closed after a major RTA such as this is that the scene is now treated as a crime scene. Heretofore a lot of evidence was lost at such scenes but now it is thoroughly examined to determine what happened etc.

It's not to do with the Gardai or whoever having better plans or anything else..


Hope that helps!!

kikel

EI-DAV wrote: »

They are saying it won't be open for upto 8 hours. Really the Gardi or NRA or whoever should have better plans in operation for this sort of thing.

+1 they gotta learn to move a lot quicker than what they do. That accident happened at 2.30.

ShayK1

From the news readings I've heard so far...

A car broke down, a truck hit the broken down car. Then another truck hit that truck and lastly the transit hit the 2nd truck.

There was a horrible misty fog in my area at 7am so I'd imagine visibility was very poor at 2am.

Bluetonic

The M1 from The Bog of the Ring (Balbriggan) to the Malahide Estuary is notorious for bad fog.

The area from Lusk to Blakes Cross on the R132 is flooded too which doesn't help.

Great that the traffic reports are saying use the N1 - it's been downgraded to the R132 a few years ago. The N1 isn't signposted anymore in that area.

Anyhow I want to know more about this 'Collusion'

Henry Ford III

Sounds like a nasty "collusion". I hope nobody is badly injured.

neacy69

Just reading about this story on rte.ie

And I just cannot understand how an collision that occured at 2.30am this morning can still be causing delays!!!!!!!! 6.5hours later....

ok maybe people were injured (and I hope they are ok) and needed to be taken away by ambulance and the scene needed to be cleared but how can this take 6.5 hours?

thebman

Bluetonic wrote: »

The M1 from The Bog of the Ring (Balbriggan) to the Malahide Estuary is notorious for bad fog.

The area from Lusk to Blakes Cross on the R132 is flooded too which doesn't help.

Great that the traffic reports are saying use the N1 - it's been downgraded to the R132 a few years ago. The N1 isn't signposted anymore in that area.

Anyhow I want to know more about this 'Collusion'

Not really an excuse, they should have adjusted for conditions, especially truck drivers who should know better and can inflict such massive damage on drivers and passengers in other vehicles. They are probably on the road enough to have had some close calls in the past that should have waken them up.

neacy69 wrote: »

Just reading about this story on rte.ie

And I just cannot understand how an collision that occured at 2.30am this morning can still be causing delays!!!!!!!! 6.5hours later....

ok maybe people were injured (and I hope they are ok) and needed to be taken away by ambulance and the scene needed to be cleared but how can this take 6.5 hours?

It probably took them a while to arrive. If it is a special branch that deals with gathering evidence at road accident scenes that they wouldn't be in the local garda station and would have to be informed, get up and travel to the scene most likely. Gather evidence and then the clean up can begin. They probably had to bring in some special equipment to deal with the trucks.

sirpsycho

Is the northbound open? Surely there is a way to make use of that to ease the traffic slightly?

delly

Joined the M1 south at Gormanstown at 8:30 and came upon the traffic buildup just before the next junction (Balbriggan/Naul). Jumped off the M1 at this junction and headed to Naul -> Ballyboughal -> Oldtown -> N2 and got back on the M50 at about 9:30

As I came off the junction, cars were heading back up the slip road the wrong way


I stopped to take a quick pic when i went on the back roads, just to show the boss

Tails142

all those cars blocking the hard shoulder for emergency vehicles :mad:

delly

Tails142 wrote: »

all those cars blocking the hard shoulder for emergency vehicles :mad:

About 20 seconds after i took that pic, a squad car came up the hard shoulder with nowhere to go, as the cars started moving in all directions like headless chickens not knowing what to do.

NinjaTruncs

Tails142 wrote: »

all those cars blocking the hard shoulder for emergency vehicles :mad:

Yeah but it gets them to the top of the queue quicker :rolleyes:

On a related note, I passed a broken down car on the m50 on tuesday night, just before the Knocklyon exit going northbound. The guy had just about pulled into the hardshoulder, but was standing on the drivers side of the car talking on his phone, I know the M50 was quite but all he needed as one person to drift a little to the left and he'd of been in serious trouble.

Dingatron

Joined the M1 south at Gormanstown at 8:30 and came upon the traffic buildup just before the next junction (Balbriggan/Naul). Jumped off the M1 at this junction and headed to Naul -> Ballyboughal -> Oldtown -> N2 and got back on the M50 at about 9:30

Hit it at 8:10 this morning but unfortunately took a left into Balbriggian.
1 1/2 hours later I'm at Balrothery and nothing moving so I gave up and am now at home working remotely. It was a complete mess and I didn't see one guard directing traffic in the whole time I was there. I'd say they've a few more crashes to deal with judging by some of the risks I saw people take to get across junctions etc.

Bluetonic

brim4brim wrote: »

Not really an excuse

I was stating it as fact, not an excuse.

bazzachazza

I understand the Gardai need to do a full and complete investigation but they really need to get it done much quicker and consider the impact of messing up traffic flows.

This happened at 2.30am why didn't they plan to have coppers out directing the traffic at 6am.

The picture of people driving the wrong way up the slip to get off the motorway is disgraceful. Its a case of one person did it so I was only following them.

bazzachazza

From RTE.

Two hurt in multi-vehicle M1 crash

[URL="javascript:showPlayer('rta_av.html')"] [/URL] Thursday, 29 May 2008 10:52
Two people have been injured following separate collisions involving five vehicles on the M1 in north Dublin early this morning.
The crash happened at around 2.30am this morning north of the Donabate Swords exit on the southbound carriageway.
Gardaí say it appears an articulated truck collided with a car, which it is understood had broken down on the motorway.
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Minutes later a transit van crashed into the back of the truck.
A passing motorist who had stopped to assist was then rear-ended by another articulated truck.
Two men, both of whom were drivers of the cars involved, have been taken to Beaumont and the Mater hospitals.
The man being treated in Beaumont is said to have sustained serious face and leg injuries. The second driver is in a stable condition.
A truck carrying The Star newspaper was involved in the incident.
In a statement Managing Director Paul Cooke said the group was horrified to hear about the crash.
As a result the newspaper will not be available in parts of Kildare, Louth, Meath, Wicklow and Wexford.
Diversions are in place for motorists already on the M1 via the R132 Old Swords Road.
Fingal County Council is clearing the scene of debris, including cooking oil, which was being carried by one of the vehicles involved in the collision.
However traffic is practically at a standstill on the R132 and back to Julianstown on the M1 southbound.
Motorists travelling from the North are advised to use the N1 or N2 until further notice to avoid delays.
There are also major delays on the Lusk to Swords Road due to flooding before Blake's Cross.
Gardaí are advising motorists to take Ministers Road and continue onto the N1 rather then travelling to Blake's Cross.

The road is not expected to reopen until later today.
Another minor collision southbound at Walshestown near the start of the diversion route has been cleared.

Delays are being reported southbound from before Balbriggan.

Nasty stopping to help and then getting hit for six yourself. Hope there ok.

This is just another example of how there is no planning in place for major incidents on the roads in this country. If someone sneezes on the M50 its snarled up for hours when are they ever going to learn.

Bluetonic

bazzachazza wrote: »

The picture of people driving the wrong way up the slip to get off the motorway is disgraceful. Its a case of one person did it so I was only following them.

All the slips were opened as two way flow to allow cars off.

This was confirmed by the Garda statement.

bazzachazza

Understood. But amazed then that people were still going down onto Motorway with traffic leaving it surely people should have been saying to themselves whats going on here should i really be going onto the motorway if everyones leaving it.

Homer

Quote:
Two hurt in multi-vehicle M1 crash

Thursday, 29 May 2008 10:52

A truck carrying The Star newspaper was involved in the incident.
In a statement Managing Director Paul Cooke said the group was horrified to hear about the crash.
As a result the newspaper will not be available in parts of Kildare, Louth, Meath, Wicklow and Wexford.



eh wtf has that got to do with anything?!!

Kurumba

Bluetonic wrote: »

All the slips were opened as two way flow to allow cars off.

This was confirmed by the Garda statement.

I wasn't even able to get on to the slip from Balbriggan to the M1 due to cars coming up wrong way. It would have been way too dangerous if i had even tried it. As far as i saw there was 2 lanes of cars coming up the wrong way.
I was forced to go take the Naul exit as I didn't even have the choice to take the m1. Not a garda in sight either.

neacy69

Thursday, 29 May 2008 10:52

A truck carrying The Star newspaper was involved in the incident.
In a statement Managing Director Paul Cooke said the group was horrified to hear about the crash.
As a result the newspaper will not be available in parts of Kildare, Louth, Meath, Wicklow and Wexford

Every cloud has a silver lining...........;)

sk8board

There were car's backed up on all the roads ajoining the N132 too this morning. I was heading down to the train Station about 7.35, and couldn't hardly get out the drive (I hadn't heard the traffic news, and thought it was a slow tractor or something holding up the country road), all the traffic heading away from the station. They could have parked, got the train into town in 30min and avoid all the same mess this evening.

Bluetonic

bazzachazza wrote: »

Understood. But amazed then that people were still going down onto Motorway with traffic leaving it surely people should have been saying to themselves whats going on here should i really be going onto the motorway if everyones leaving it.

Agreed. I imagine some people didn't even think twice about it.

peasant

If you ever break down on the motorway or have to stop ...make sure you get out of the way of the trucks ...even if it means abandoning your vehicle by climbing over the barriers or up the verge at the side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjniPX3SZBc

kluivert

GF set off at 7.30 this morning and arrived at work in Coolock at 10.50.

Great pics of the M1 there, they should be used fr tomorrows Daily Star newspaper.

bazzachazza

even if it means abandoning your vehicle by climbing over the barriers or up the verge at the side

Its the Law in the UK to get out and move up the embankment or to stand behind a crash barrier.

Our Rules of the road only state the following pg126

"Wait for help on the embankment side of the motorway"

L1011

At least they've lots of paper to mop the vegetable oil up with!

People blasting along at 140+ assuming the road is empty; and the fact that nobody here slows down in bad weather conditions would look like the problem here...

Homer

MYOB wrote: »

At least they've lots of paper to mop the vegetable oil up with!
QUOTE]

It's about all i'd use that paper for

Beta Ray Bill

kluivert wrote: »

GF is stuck in traffic since half seven this morning and now its nine o clock.

First of all, I hope the two men in hospital recover ok.

Second, at 2.30am how could a crash like this happen.

Two Art Lorries collide with a car and a transit van.

Idiocy! had to be the person in either the Van or the Car, most likely the car.

kluivert wrote: »

Every time I drive up and down the M1, people drive within yards of the car in front. Do people not realise the danger they put themselve in and other too. Drivers mentality in this country needs to change quick, not this attitude that am in front Fcuk you!, or going faster than you get out of my way.

Its a overtaking lane not a fast lane. Is this so hard to understand.

More Idiocy

I was coming back from balbriggan on Friday in the overtaking lane, was at 120kph. (lots of truck in the left lane) some clown in his Saab come up behind me id say close to 160kph and starts flashing his lights. There was no where i could go left lane was jammers and I don't like pulling in in front of trucks as its not fair on the truck drivers as their stopping distance is quite long. he was about 18 inches from my bumper for a 1/4 of a mile

kluivert wrote: »

GF is at a stand still for the last ten minutes, she rings me to tell me that people are pulling in and out of lanes consistently, people are driving up the hard shoulder and use the roundabout flyovers to overtake by coming down the other side. Just seems that drivers will never learn because of their thick stupid attitude to safety while driving.

One thing as well, there is alot of NI reg vehicles that would need to learn to slow down as well. doing 100mph or 160kph will get only save you about 10-15 mins on a journey from Newry to Dublin compared to someone travelling at 75mph or 120kph.

Even MORE Idiocy. People don't know how to drive. going up slip roads... ok its a bit cheeky but driving in the hard shoulder is a big NO NO for me, but so many people do it.

kluivert wrote: »

Lastly, why is it taking so long to clear an accident that happened at 2.30am this morning.

Idiocy plus incompetence. a good 4 hours to clear it. should have been done. in less than 3.

ninty9er

EI-DAV wrote: »

They are saying it won't be open for upto 8 hours. Really the Gardai or NRA or whoever should have better plans in operation for this sort of thing.

Here's how. I don't know the timescales involved in this accident but it would be something along these lines.

2:30 - Accident
2:40 - Garda and Ambulance at scene
3:15 - Ambulance leaves scene, Gardaí can begin examining the scene.
8:15 - Gardaí finished examining the scene, Tow truck to remove debris is at the back of a 10km tailback.
10:15 - the towtruck is now in the middle of a 15km tailback.

Nothing to do with planning and everything to do with fucking idiots blocking access along the hard shoulder.

Beta Ray Bill

ninty9er wrote: »

Nothing to do with planning and everything to do with fucking idiots blocking access along the hard shoulder.

man don't even get me started on that

Nothing annoys me more on a motorway than watching some idiot drive on the hard shoulder.

Its time like that I wish I was a cop so I could stop em and give em the ballocking of a lifetime

Captain Slow

grahambo wrote: »

More Idiocy

I was coming back from balbriggan on Friday in the overtaking lane, was at 120kph. (lots of truck in the left lane) some clown in his Saab come up behind me id say close to 160kph and starts flashing his lights. There was no where i could go left lane was jammers and I don't like pulling in in front of trucks as its not fair on the truck drivers as their stopping distance is quite long. he was about 18 inches from my bumper for a 1/4 of a mile

Yeah, hate that all right! Happened to me a lot of times on the M1, so frastrating the other night that, brought my speed to 130 and the idjet followed as 130, and realise I am speeding, so I should break to reduce the speed, well, when I say break just a tiny touch to light up the breaking light, I know to ease off the accelarator will be enough, but just to scare the three color shxxe of the little basxxxd!

ninty9er

TBH the M1 is one of our better roads where speeds above 120 are acceptable, the M7 isn't quite as good, but can take the speeds. I've been overtaken at 140 on the M7 and couldn't see the guy within 30 seconds. Just needs an extra lane really.

I slow down when I'm coming up behind someone in the overtaking lane, but I EXPECT them to move in....some don't get the hint. It's not as if you can't see me in your mirror....oh wait....I'm invisible:rolleyes:

stovelid

Tails142 wrote: »

all those cars blocking the hard shoulder for emergency vehicles :mad:

What is going through their minds, blocking the hard shoulder approaching an accident scene.? Jail is too good for these lot.

:mad: :mad:

kluivert

Drive up towards the car in front with your right indicator on, for some reason people move over quicker, do they think your part of emergency services or something I dont know, but seems to work

Tow trucks should have Garda escort to sense of accident.

If a Crane was required to lift an overturned Art lorry, you can beat your ass there would be a Garda Escort as the crowd here in Monaghan do most of the crane lifts on Art lorries for the north east.

You would think that they would try and clear the damage, on one of Irelands busiest roads in time for people heading to work.

WHITE_P

It's a good thing that they are now investigating serious accidents properly, however I agree that they should have better contingency plans for traffic management on roads after a major accident happens.

In time when they start to colate the findings from these accident investigations, we might here less of the "Speed Kills" bullsh!t that they are always peddaling, and they might start to give some good advice / education towards better driving skills.

In an ideal world !!!

Dingatron

Well they can start with a plan on how to manage traffic in these type of events. Not the first time the road has come to a standstill.

Scottie99

peasant wrote: »

If you ever break down on the motorway or have to stop ...make sure you get out of the way of the trucks ...even if it means abandoning your vehicle by climbing over the barriers or up the verge at the side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjniPX3SZBc

That's a small truck:) Not a 40 tonner!

ardmacha

A motorway has a series of exits. An accident occurs between a particular pair of exits. There should be a detailed plan for what to do for an accident at a given location, e.g. diversions, signposting, traffic control, possibly contraflow. Someone called the radio this morning to say that traffic was backing up at Slane as the lights were going through their normal cycle, although there was much more traffic. Plan!!

DonJose

kluivert wrote: »

Drive up towards the car in front with your left right indicator on.

Make up your mind left right indicator = hazard light

Oilrig

Don't we have contra flows on that road?

If you seal off a section of the road (fair enough) then open a contra flow?

An accident requiring a section of the road being sealed off surely should have been foreseen and the resultant action (open contra flow) taken immediately to minimise traffic disruption should have been SOP ie planned in advance?

Methinks some sections of this country is still in the 1950's :mad:

Reminds me of the t*t that tried to justify not having a barrier installed on the central margin of the M50 due to safety reasons...

Or the NRA that decided we didn't need rest areas/services on our motorways...

We've a long way to go before we join the civilised lads.

delly

On the way in this morning and the truck is still at the scene, great for rubbernecking (says he who took the picture ). There was a load of skid marks leading upto where the truck was, so i'd say it would take a bit of working out to see the sequence of events.

Bluetonic

Oilrig wrote: »

Don't we have contra flows on that road?

If you seal off a section of the road (fair enough) then open a contra flow?

Contra flow not possible due to cable barrier.

delly wrote: »

On the way in this morning and the truck is still at the scene, great for rubbernecking (says he who took the picture ).

That bin lorry didn't actually hit anything, it took evasive action to avoid it... ie drove into the ditch.

Traffic yesterday evening was blocked all up all evening on the north bound section due to rubberneckers like yourself. Witnessed a near on 4 car fender bender at 120kph. Idiots.

delly

Bluetonic wrote: »

Traffic yesterday evening was blocked all up all evening on the north bound section due to rubberneckers like yourself. Witnessed a near on 4 car fender bender at 120kph. Idiots.

There was noone around me when i passed, so don't put me in the same bracket please :pac:

WHITE_P

ardmacha wrote: »

A motorway has a series of exits. An accident occurs between a particular pair of exits. There should be a detailed plan for what to do for an accident at a given location, e.g. diversions, signposting, traffic control, possibly contraflow.

+1

bryanmurr

i find part of the problem is that people dont know another route to where they are going.

WHITE_P

bryanmurr wrote: »

i find part of the problem is that people dont know another route to where they are going.

Sad but true, and unless they know how to use Sat Nav, it will keep trying to send them back towards the problem, if they are using it.

MercMad

I arrived from Donabate about 8.10 and saw no traffic at all on the M1 so realised something was wrong. The gardai were there on point duty but the traffic into Swords was very light.

I was on the M1 about a month ago, similar spot to the accident, thick fog so I had the appropriate lights on, noved into the left lane and took my time. I was overtaken by several large artics with all manner of spot/fog lamps travelling too fast IMO. One faded into the distance through the fog, follwed by another which obviously intended to overtake, next a Volvo creased past me at well over 130km/h, with NO fog lights on front or rear.

I knew he would catch up with the trucks and after a second or two the road was lit up with brake lights which swerved all over the shop.

Some people are just idiots !!

I agree about the hard shoulder drivers, deffo throw the book at them.

Unfortunately we may see some additions to the statistics this weekend, so drive carefully everyone !

ballooba

bryanmurr wrote: »

i find part of the problem is that people dont know another route to where they are going.

And whose fault is that? (hint:NRA)