why don't we revolt ?

IrishRover

WHITE_P wrote: »

Having read through it, they seem to be on the same wavelenght as most people who aren't super rich or sponging off the state, and couldn't care about the cost of anything and everything.
http://www.prioritiesparty.com/

I read through the manifesto on their website and it was all going well until I read this:
"Smoking should also be eliminated in public where possible; an in-door ban is not enough."

Like you were saying, up until that point it all read as being reasonable and common sense points that they were making. I couldn't vote for them now, and even if they removed this from their manifesto I still couldn't, as it reveals to me that they are the kind of "fascist-lefties" who I definitely don't want to have any control over decisions that affect me - as much as I hate the greedy thicks who are in power at the moment.

WHITE_P

IrishRover wrote: »

I read through the manifesto on their website and it was all going well until I read this:
"Smoking should also be eliminated in public where possible; an in-door ban is not enough."

Like you were saying, up until that point it all read as being reasonable and common sense points that they were making. I couldn't vote for them now, and even if they removed this from their manifesto I still couldn't, as it reveals to me that they are the kind of "fascist-lefties" who I definitely don't want to have any control over decisions that affect me - as much as I hate the greedy thicks who are in power at the moment.

Well you can't please all the people all the time.

WHITE_P

E92 wrote: »

And Brian Cowen is such a wonderful Taoiseach that he ran away from health because it was "Angola"....

All he has done so far is antagonise FG, but let him keep doing that all he wants, people don't like bullies...

Enda Kenny's contribution to FG is nothing short of outstanding. Yes he does come across as very wooden at times, but the only people I hear going Enda bashing are the people that would never vote FG in the first place.

If he achieved a fifth for the country of what he achieved with FG then this country would be a much better place.

But if people are happy with incompetancy, optics, soundbites etc then that's their choice.

I don't want to get into a political argument here, but Edna Kenny did himself and FG no favours by constantly attacking the current governments policies, while not offering any real alternative's, and I didn't vote for the current bunch either and was really p!ssed off to see them get back in. glad to see Bertie finally gone though, as I think the celeb. notions he had of himself, went to his head.

E92

Anything that reduces the opportunities for smokers to pollute themselves has to be welcomed. I must admit I like that party a bit more now having heard that.

I'm normally the last person to stand up for FF but the smoking ban was easily the best thing to happen this country in this decade.

peasant

Is this thread going anywhere?

Possibly anywhere near topic?

E92

WHITE_P wrote: »

I don't want to get into a political argument here, but Edna Kenny did himself and FG no favours by constantly attacking the current governments policies, while not offering any real alternative's, and I didn't vote for the current bunch either and was really p!ssed off to see them get back in. glad to see Bertie finally gone though, as I think the celeb. notions he had of himself, went to his head.

I think they did offer plenty of different policies. But any of the good ones were "borrowed" by FF. It was only after the election that I realised that the front bench before was for the most part useless. They do have people with substance now though.

There are times when they make me cringe, like the way they are doing all the donkey work on Lisbon. They're not cute like FF are, and that costs them votes at every opportunity. Were FF out of Government they would officially be campaigning for a yes vote but privately they would ask people to vote no.

They are far from perfect, but they're the only ones that I have any faith whatsoever in.

Anyway, I'm gone so far off topic, this is a Motors forum after all, so time to get back to cars:D!

As I said earlier, a revolt wouldn't achieve anything not least because most people are annoyed but that's about it. WE don't really do protests in this country.

zzzzzzzz

E92 wrote: »

Were FF out of Government they would officially be campaigning for a yes vote but privately they would ask people to vote no.

What?

hellboy99

I'm of the opinion that most of us Irish are stupid and lazy (apologies in advance if I offended anyone). There seems to be this attitude with most people that they either vent off their frustration on a forum such as this and it goes no further or they just think that someone else will say it for them.

You hear many now complaining about government, well the people have themselves to blame, you voted FF back in. FF of all people know how much of a walk over the people of this country are, look what they get away with.

The French wouldn't take whats going on, it's already started in the UK yesterday with truckers protesting, so will it happen here ? somehow i can't see it :mad:

RobAMerc

I think a go slow down one of our motorways would be a start . or a simultaneous sounding of horns around the country.

The truckers would be all in favor if we cited taxes and tolls vs quality of road network as the reason for it.

there no need for the muppets in government to actually hear them - news coverage should sort it.

I HATE motoring in this country - Ireland is robbing me of my one true love - and I am starting to hate the place for it.

ambro25

You'd be surprised how little resources and preparation you would need to paralyse Dublin traffic at rush hour, so unfit is the infrastructure at present.

4 or 5 cars on N11 Northbound into Dublin, 4 or 5 cars on each side of M50 near toll, 4 or 5 cars on M1 Southbound into Dublin, all go-slow simultaneously at 07:30/07:45 for about 2kms or, even better, simulate a traffic bump and discussion at side of road (use rubberneckers' built-in go-slow functionality ). Then they can resume normal speeds.

Hey presto, butterfly effect ('caterpillar' effect really) ensures the little traffic bulge will ripple out of proportion for at least a couple of hours and cause all sorts of mayhem.

Be better/easier with artics, of course. Easy when you know how. :cool:

Slig

Maybe wrong but would that not be attacking the wrong side? commuters being late for work, deliveries not reaching their destination on time..
I dont think the government would be too inconvenienced (Dail doesnt sit until midday does it?) and they would probably get a garda escort anyways

RobAMerc

i think everyone simultaneously blowing their horn at rush hour or something would work. No one gets hurt, everyone could join in if its well advertised ( via the news )and it would get plenty of attention.

The threat of escalating the action if nothing is done could also be used.

Causing chaos on the M50 would be a bit localized and joe punter would suffer most imo.

leinster house Muppets wouldn't care less unless they were held up in the Merc for a few minutes.

I.S.T.

Slig wrote: »

Maybe wrong but would that not be attacking the wrong side? commuters being late for work, deliveries not reaching their destination on time..

That's why the train drivers never get what they want...oh wait...they do

ambro25

Well, excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but how exactly do you expect any 'go slow' protest (or any type of protest for that matter) to not affect commuting joe bloggs :eek: :rolleyes:

Do a go slow at 02:00 AM?
If you don't cause aggro for the GVT, how exactly do you expect the GVT to do anything?
Out of the goodness in their collective heart?
How do you cause aggro for the GVT, without going to jail (for not paying tax, VAT, etc. as an illegal way of protest)?
Blowing your horn? So everybody blows their horn, RTE talks about it for 30 secs on the news... and on day 3, noone does it anymore as they feel too self-conscious (this is Ireland).

Do you want to protest? Or daydream at protesting?

Lord Nikon

The problem with protesting en-masse with strangers is it's near impossible to organise.

Farmers have unions and truck drivers, taxi drivers, train drivers, pilots and nurses. These are the people who get noticed when their **** hits the fan, because they have organisation and easier to pass on the word and make it happen within their own groups(which are huge).

The general public is not a union, and while most will spout about how bad something is, there is little anyone can do.

Lets just hope the unions(the driving type) in this country have something to say, and they usually do too, and they cause mayhem alot of the time. Do you think the truck-drivers are happy paying the todays fuel prices, doubt it.

I.S.T.

The protest seems to be having an effect in the UK

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/article4018588.ece

Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling were set to meet oil industry leaders in Scotland today as they came under growing pressure to curb soaring fuel prices.

Pressure is mounting on the Prime Minister and the Chancellor, both from their own Labour backbenchers and from the public. Yesterday road hauliers mounted high profile protests in London and South Wales, with hundreds of lorry drivers demanding cuts in the duty on diesel to help save the British haulage industry...

G Luxel

Everyone has to work and they cant afford to take days off to go on protests. Anyway most protests comprise of getting on a bus to dublin, going for a pint, then stay maybe two hours at max shouting on a march and also falling asleep when listening to someone on a podium complaining, then when its finished everyone is off to the pub again for more pints and then home on the bus.

just remembered, where is conor faughan these days of aa roadwatch, havent heard anything from him or maybe hes been muzzled by the government or by some vested interests?

rebel.ranter

RobAMerc wrote: »

I think a go slow down one of our motorways would be a start .

Would it be even noticed on the M50?

JHMEG

IrishRover wrote: »

I read through the manifesto on their website and it was all going well until I read this:
"Smoking should also be eliminated in public where possible; an in-door ban is not enough."

Like you were saying, up until that point it all read as being reasonable and common sense points that they were making.

Out of curiosity, are you a smoker?