UFC 85 "Bedlam" Discussion Thread

SuperWoody101

Event: UFC 85: “Bedlam”
Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008
Location: The O2 Arena in London, England

Main Event:

Matt Hughes (42-6) vs. Thiago Alves (14-3)


Main card (televised):

185 lbs.: Michael Bisping (15-1) vs. Jason Day (17-5)
170 lbs.: Mike Swick (11-2) vs. Marcus Davis (14-3)
185 lbs.: Nate Marquardt (26-7) vs. Thales Leites (12-1)
265 lbs.: Brandon Vera (8-1) vs. Fabricio Werdum (10-3-1)


Under card (May not be broadcast):


185 lbs.: Martin Kampmann (15-2) vs. Jorge Rivera (15-6)
155 lbs.: Thiago Tavares (13-1) vs. Matt Wiman (9-3)
170 lbs.: Roan Carneiro (12-6) vs. Ryo Chonan (14-8)
205 lbs.: Jason Lambert (23-7) vs. Luis Arthur Cane (7-1)
170 lbs.: Jess Liaudin (12-9) vs. Paul Taylor (8-3-1)
265 lbs.: Neil Wain (4-0) vs. Antoni Hardonk (6-4)

*All fights officially confirmed by UFC.com.

Charlie3dan

SuperWoody101 wrote: »

*All fights officially confirmed by UFC.com.

For now

SuperWoody101

Charlie3dan wrote: »

For now

LOL, as long as they don't change the Swick/Davis fight I will be happy.

Nothingcompares

Cursed is definitely an inferior card to the previous one I'm hoping the undercard will be entertaining as I'm going to be in London for this.

davmol

I was rushing to get the credit card out to book tickets for this when Chuck was on the card and thank god my credit card was maxed.The day after Chuck pulled out due to the hamstring tear.
Its a good card but not as impressive as when CHuck was on it.
I think hughes is winding down his career and as he said when he was coaching on TUF,he only has a few fights left in him so cant really see him putting in a great perormance with a view to reclaiming the belt.
The only other fight id be interested in is Davis and swick.

stevemc01

With the exception of the Bisping fight, all the main card fights have potential IMO.

calex71

will this be shown live anywhere?

Mossy Monk

Setanta Sports 1 will show it live. And all UFC PPV's after it too

Roll call lads, who's goin to this?

I am.


I think Davis will beat Swick. I think that Swick is very over rated tbh. Davis could be construed as being over rated too since his win record doent include any big names but he's beaten tough guys and to be fair to him his overall skillset has improved tenfold. I think he has more tools in the bag if a little smaller!


Ill Sky+ it so I can watch it again! PS lets hope if UFC ever makes it to Dublin that a certain promotion dont get it, what would we do without our discussion threads!!

Nothingcompares

me 2

Kazooie

Me 3.

Haven't got any preferences for any fighters just hope all fights are exciting.

Fozzy

Two more changes: Eddie Sanchez is replacing Neil Wain according to the UFC.com fightcard: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=1109

And MMAJunkie.com says that Kevin Burns is replacing Ryo Chonan: http://mmajunkie.com/news/4435/kevin-burns-expected-to-replace-ryo-chonan-at-ufc-85.mma

Fozzy

Fozzy wrote: »

Two more changes: Eddie Sanchez is replacing Neil Wain according to the UFC.com fightcard: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=1109

And MMAJunkie.com says that Kevin Burns is replacing Ryo Chonan: http://mmajunkie.com/news/4435/kevin-burns-expected-to-replace-ryo-chonan-at-ufc-85.mma

Why am I not suprised.

Actually Hardonk vs Sanchez could go one of two ways:

1) they bang it out, its fun while it lasts and Sanchez gets KO'd. Fans get exciting fight.

2) Sanchez takes it to the ground. Neither fighter are accomplished enough on the ground to really make it exciting. Fight runs risk of turnin into a 3 round lay and pray fest with Sanchez winning. Night gets off to a stinker.

I know Hardonk is a Rickson Gracie Blue Belt but I dont see that being a classic if it hits the ground.


I can see it being B.

Valmont

Fozzy wrote: »

Two more changes: Eddie Sanchez is replacing Neil Wain according to the UFC.com fightcard: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=1109

And MMAJunkie.com says that Kevin Burns is replacing Ryo Chonan: http://mmajunkie.com/news/4435/kevin-burns-expected-to-replace-ryo-chonan-at-ufc-85.mma

With all these changes, they should change the title too: UFC 85 - Cursed

dunkamania

I heard Ryo Chonan was out....

johnny_adidas

6 of us heading over, first time in london also

johnny_adidas

just received an email re the doors opening / start times

"There has been a slight ammendment to the door time for this event, the runtime is now as follows: (please note, all times are approximates and are subject to change)

Doors - 16:30
Start - 17:30 (approximately)
Finish - 23:00 "

FiannaGym.com

I live in Dublin now, and DarkWarrior is coming over to see it with me.

The only fighter I was really interested in seeing was Chonan. Dang!

Peace

dunkamania

http://bp1.blogger.com/_npGc-tVhW2g/SEA7WJNLmfI/AAAAAAAAAHc/Uvhgy8_uyx4/s1600-h/ufc85changes.jpg

A reminder of what UFC 85 was supposed to be....

goo

At least with Chuck getting injured there's a good chance that his next fight will be Shogun. I didn't even have half a boner about Liddell - Evans.

shantor

why does Sanchez keeping get on the card in UFC... he doesnt seem to have much potential??

goo

He beats people a fair bit. He's definitely got a bit of a name but I don't know, maybe he's cheap.

SuperWoody101

So it's on this Sat. Hope the pub I go to will show it. They show the ones on Bravo but there is no sound thanks to the band that play in the pub!! For anyone that is going over to London to see it live have a great time and be safe.

shantor

shantor wrote: »

why does Sanchez keeping get on the card in UFC... he doesnt seem to have much potential??

Hopefully cos he makes a nice punching bag for hardonk. If this fight stays up itll be entertaining, if it hits the ground it could be dreadful

SuperWoody101

SuperWoody101 wrote: »

be safe.

We're all martial artist tough guys in here didnt ya know!! :pac::pac::pac:


There were a lot of tossers in London at it last time. Belfast had a better crowd. ill let ya know if Sat has any improvement.

johnny_adidas

Update:


"Dear Ticketmaster Customer,

As you have purchased tickets for the forthcoming Ultimate Fighting Championships at the O2 we would like to pass on the following travel information.

The Jubilee Line will be closed on 7 June between North Greenwich and Stratford. Replacement buses will operate.

Journey times may be increased by up to 25 minutes.

Please use other local London Underground, National Rail, Docklands Light Railway or London Buses services where possible. Alternatively, you can use the Thames Clippers fast boat service, details of which can be found by clicking on; http://www.thamesclippers.com/article/commuter/166

For any other queries, please visit the official venue website, http://www.o2.co.uk/

Thank you for booking with Ticketmaster, we hope you enjoy the event."

was going to get the boat up there anyway but in case if affects anyone else

lfc85

does anyone know of any pubs around dublin city centre or ballymun/finglas area that will be showin it on saturday?
unfortunatly we dont have setanta
would have went over to london to see it live if shogun and chuck didnt get injured

Fozzy

lfc85 wrote: »

does anyone know of any pubs around dublin city centre or ballymun/finglas area that will be showin it on saturday?
unfortunatly we dont have setanta
would have went over to london to see it live if shogun and chuck didnt get injured

I haven't heard of anything. I think the problem is that Ireland are playing New Zealand in rugby that evening and there'll also be two Euro 2008 games late in the day as well. So that's probably what the sports bars will be showing, not a UFC event which is probably the least appealing UFC show this year

EDIT: Actually, I think the rugby game is in the evening in New Zealand, which makes it the morning here

Try the Mercintile or Fitzsimons .

Im really looking forward to it. I am dissapointed im not going to see Liddel but Hughes will be good to see.

Look for a PPV in Dublin next year.

lfc85

yea think the portugal turkey match starts at 7:30 on saturday
so doubt they will show the ufc in any pub since most of the barmen dont have a clue what the hell mma is
sure i might catch the last last couple of fights after the football if im lucky

dunkamania

would the Mercentile be showing this?

Nothingcompares

Fozzy wrote: »

I haven't heard of anything. I think the problem is that Ireland are playing New Zealand in rugby that evening and there'll also be two Euro 2008 games late in the day as well. So that's probably what the sports bars will be showing, not a UFC event which is probably the least appealing UFC show this year

EDIT: Actually, I think the rugby game is in the evening in New Zealand, which makes it the morning here

Rugby match is on live 8am/8.30am irish time, perhaps it's being replayed later in the day.

Dunk - there's a ticket going there, buy that and get a flight sure.

dunkamania

Why didnt I think of that

goo

Setanta is cheap and from this event I think they've got all of the American UFC events as well, is that right?

Vince135792003

goo wrote: »

Setanta is cheap and from this event I think they've got all of the American UFC events as well, is that right?

Yep.

Fozzy

I think Bravo still have the Ultimate Fighter Finale in a couple of weeks. I'd assume so anyway, bit of a bitch if they show the full series and don't show who wins!

shantor

Fozzy wrote: »

I think Bravo still have the Ultimate Fighter Finale in a couple of weeks. I'd assume so anyway, bit of a bitch if they show the full series and don't show who wins!

i hope that TJ lad gets his head mashed by the jock boy in final

shantor

shantor wrote: »

i hope that TJ lad gets his head mashed by the jock boy in final

actually I hope Amir wins

goo

shantor wrote: »

i Hope That Tj Lad Gets His Head Mashed By The Jock Boy In Final

Cb?

johnny_adidas

back since earlier today. had a blast, great weekend. atmosphere for bisbing was amazing. too hung over to type any more

dunkamania

Looks like it was a great show of fights, despite the abscence of big name fighters. Still
trying to get the Marquardt and Cairneiro fights.

el rabitos

just back from it there now myself, was an awesome show to see live.

the place went pretty mental for bisping, he just destroyed day, poor chap didnt even get started tbh.

great to see chuck out there with wiman, poor fella got swamped when we were leaving, he headed out the same way as the crowd to go sign autograpghs somewhere in the arena and was just hounded by cameras.

all in all was a great experience. half of its a bit of a blur at the moment though, knackered.

goo

Chuck just leaning over looking at Wiman after the first round was sort of funny.

Nothingcompares

i was in the o2 myself, actually thought it was fairly ****. i mean, it was good but for a ridiculous amount of money. i don't think i'll travel again to ufc unless i'm with a troop of people. atmosphere for the undercard was non-existent, a lot of meat heads there shouting etc. spent 70% of the time looking at the big screen...

Kazooie

Nothingcompares wrote: »

i was in the o2 myself, actually thought it was fairly ****. i mean, it was good but for a ridiculous amount of money. i don't think i'll travel again to ufc unless i'm with a troop of people. atmosphere for the undercard was non-existent, a lot of meat heads there shouting etc. spent 70% of the time looking at the big screen...

Where were you sitting? I was in the middle tier and the view was amazing. Did have to look up at the screens a couple of times though when the action was on the ground.

Got back late last night.


Had a great weekend. The event was great, my only problem was the abundance of meathead spastics shouting stupid sh1t and acting like they were MMAs encyclopedia. One lad was actin the know it all and he based his opinion that Alves would beat Hughes based on the time he watched Hughes fight Anderson Silva....... the 2 lads in front of us videotaped every single walk around that the ring girls did..... another fella in the food queue started claimin he could kill most of the fighters as he had training for years in "Chinese boxing" .....sh1t like that. I also had to look at the screens as one of the cameramen was fat and kept gettin in our way when the fighters went to a particular part of the cage.

I did meet Ernesto Hoost, Martin Kampmaan, Bisping and Dana again who (again) told me that they were comin to Ireland next year. He did tell me that last year too though so wait and see.

As for the fights, was suprised they didnt show Sanchez vs Hardonk on TV, was pretty exciting. Matt Wiman looked great, really suprised me, he was excellent on the ground. Kampmaan looked awesome, great to see him back in the cage. Marquardts second foul was harsh but AFIK spiking an opponent is illegal so it balanced out. His indiscipline cost him. Vera stoppage was harsh, especially as it was that particular ref and the punches were hittin hsi arm, howevwer at the same time he wasnt lloking like he was gonna go anywhere so if the round wasnt so close to the finish then he was gonna get stopped anyway...... Davis Swick turned out to be boring, a Mexican wave got into full swing during that one. Bisping looked awesome while Hughes looks like he just has no confidence in himself when standing on 2 feet. I mean pulling guard? All in all a good show.

dunkamania

Anyone else think its a bit presumptious of Alves to call for a title shot considering he didnt make weight?

Alves was impressive though, I thought Hughes was injured if he was pulling guard, but apparently not.

Wiman very impressive

Once again Vera shows he probably belongs at LHW, early stoppage or not

Bisping looked the best I have ever seen him, but he doesnt appear to have KO power, which could cost him against the big punchers in the division

Charlie3dan

Anyone have any videos of the fights? Missed the whole thing

dunkamania

dunkamania wrote: »

Anyone else think its a bit presumptious of Alves to call for a title shot considering he didnt make weight?

Alves was impressive though, I thought Hughes was injured if he was pulling guard, but apparently not.

Wiman very impressive

Once again Vera shows he probably belongs at LHW, early stoppage or not

Bisping looked the best I have ever seen him, but he doesnt appear to have KO power, which could cost him against the big punchers in the division

Well when u dont make weight and have previously got caught for steroids....its a bit much to say "I've been a good boy". Considering Fitch absolutely destroyed him I dont see him being champ anytime soon but he is the next logical contender unless BJ comes up.

Vera at LHW would be better suited, he needs to stop being lazy with his dieting. 228lbs...I mean most LHWs walk around heavier than that.

goo

http://www.cagepotato.com/
There's a bunch there, definitely. Almost all of them should be on mmaroot.com

Dragan

dunkamania wrote: »

Anyone else think its a bit presumptious of Alves to call for a title shot considering he didnt make weight?

Yes, to be honest. He's in a pretty stacked division and while he has had a good two years he also has a failed drugs test and now weight cutting issues....which just looks worse when you get busted for diuretics.

Hughes wasn't exactly in the title picture right now so beating him shouldn't get you there either. One more quality win over another top tier welterweight and yes....title shot.

Not till then.