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Are Diesels Worth It Anymore
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What I meant is that flooring a petrol at say 2,000 rpm is far worse than flooring it at say 3,000 rpm. It will accelerate much better at 3,000 rpm, therefore you can increase your speed much faster and therefore the time you spend working the engine hard is massively reduced therefore you're saving on the fuel(as well as the engine). I don't mean that you should drive everywhere at 100 in 3rd gear, what I mean is that if you want to overtake at 100 then you would be far better served by going into 4th or better still 3rd for the brief period while you're overtaking and have your foot down and then once you're finished overtaking go back into 5th again. Or if you're going up a hill and are losing speed then instead of putting the boot down that you should go down to 4th and it will be better able to keep the speed and you don't need to have your foot anywhere near as far down on the loud pedal.
Of course I wouldn't get there faster. We are have speed limits ffs! If we were in Germany and had no speed limits I'd get there much faster than you though whether I'm in my Volvo or my E34 if the traffic permitted high speeds. The Volvo does 200 km/h and hits 100 km/h in 10.4 seconds, the BMW hits 100 in 9.6 seconds and can do 211 km/h. Your car does 0-100 in 13.2 seconds and can only do 177 km/h.
As for economy, well your car does 61.4 mpg on average officially, and 68.9mpg in out of town driving, while my Volvo does 49.6 mpg in out of town driving, 40.9 mpg on average and the BMW is so old they didn't do the tests the way they do them now, but you can take it from me that it is nowhere near as frugal as the Volvo.
What was the point of asking how economical it would be when you know that I have a big 1.8 4 cylinder petrol that's 8 years old that weighs 1386 kg according to the NCT people and an even bigger and heavier 15 year old 2.0 6 pot saloon versus a brand new small 1.4 3 pot diesel that officially weighs 1144kg according to Seat?
The only claim about petrol economy I have made is that with comparable petrol versus diesel models(something you've completely ignored as is evident by asking your question) is that the latest direct injection petrols are getting closer to diesel economy than they have been for quite some time.
You got me wrong
The original question of the OP was
"Are diesels still worth buying"
I say yes because of economy AND
As you said we dont live in Germany with no speed limits
So it is really pointless in having cars with faster engines as you cannot use them.
By the way,
I wouldnt consider a 1.8 4 pot big.
Remember, My last car was a 02 Mondeo Zetec 1.8.. And i dont care what figures Ford or Volvo or SEAT or any manufacturere claim.. Those things Love petrol when you floor it.
I do most of my driving in town.
I dont do much mileage, Probably 100 Miles a week or so.
Anyhow, On a normal week i would burn €25 Petrol in the Mondeo.
As for the SEAT.! Same miles.. only.. Less than €10 per week.
OH
BTW,
On the Fermoy to Cork Bypass. recently..
I did a lot closer to your Volvo's Claimed top speed than what SEAT claim, And I also have yet to see anywhere close to 61.4 or 68.9..
Like I said.
They are only figures.
The Truth is in the savings :cool:
Now you claim about me being silly about comparing my light car with your Volvo or BMW.
How about make a comparision with your two to my next car. ( which could hopefully all going well be within the next month or so)
Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDi VRS.. How would your guzzlers compare to that ?
Like this section from an expert review, Especially the Blue Parts
The 2.0-litre direct injection diesel that powers the Octavia 2.0 TDI PD vRS is an impressive piece of engineering. With 170bhp under the bonnet, this car certainly doesnt hang around. The headline figure with this model isnt the power output but the maximum torque output of 350Nm. The BMW 330i, the Ford Focus ST, the Mercedes SL350, the Porsche Cayman S, and the Subaru Impreza WRX all fail to top this figure.
Torque is simply defined as rotational force and its best to think of it as the engines muscularity. With this sort of torque on tap, you can rest assured that this Skoda isnt going to get sand kicked in its face. Acceleration figures from rest never do a diesel car justice and the 0-60 figure of 8.2 seconds sounds brisk rather than concussive.
A more indicative test is the 30-70mph time through the gears and here the vRS is quick enough to give many of the cars listed above a real scare. With a top speed of 140mph, the Octavia will have no issues about cruising at British motorway speeds and even on the cut and thrust of a two lane derestricted autobahn it has more than enough mumbo to jet up to speed after dispatching a dawdling artic. The great thing about this powerplant is that the torque is almost omnipresent. That maximum figure is available from just 1,750rpm, little more than tickover.0 -
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You got me wrong
The original question of the OP was
"Are diesels still worth buying"
I say yes because of economy AND
As you said we dont live in Germany with no speed limits
So it is really pointless in having cars with faster engines as you cannot use them.
By the way,
I wouldnt consider a 1.8 4 pot big.
Remember, My last car was a 02 Mondeo Zetec 1.8.. And i dont care what figures Ford or Volvo or SEAT or any manufacturere claim.. Those things Love petrol when you floor it.
I do most of my driving in town.
I dont do much mileage, Probably 100 Miles a week or so.
Anyhow, On a normal week i would burn €25 Petrol in the Mondeo.
As for the SEAT.! Same miles.. only.. Less than €10 per week.
OH
BTW,
On the Fermoy to Cork Bypass. recently..
I did a lot closer to your Volvo's Claimed top speed than what SEAT claim, And I also have yet to see anywhere close to 61.4 or 68.9..
Like I said.
They are only figures.
The Truth is in the savings :cool:
Now you claim about me being silly about comparing my light car with your Volvo or BMW.
How about make a comparision with your two to my next car. ( which could hopefully all going well be within the next month or so)
Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDi VRS.. How would your guzzlers compare to that ?
Like this section from an expert review, Especially the Blue Parts
What do you drive that scares away all the local boy racers? They must all be in 1 litre corsa's. I'm sick of TDI drivers thinking they're in the fastest things since sliced bread.
you mention the Octavia TDi VRS - but fail to mention that the Octavia petrol VRS will kick the ass of the Diesel one, despite that they're the same car, same sized engine, both with 1 turbo. The petrol is probably close to 2 seconds quicker to 60mph. The lads are right, all things being equal, petrol is quicker than diesel. I own a diesel by the way!0 -
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all people who ask themselves if it is "worth it" to buy a diesel may well factor mpg into their calculations.Because all people who buy a car for performance worries about mpg.
The fact that a modern diesel is well able to keep up with a petrol engined alternative in real life driving situations may be an added bonus 0 -
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