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Gardaí in red?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    there waterproof :p:p;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    I would just like to use this thread as an example of how many people dont understand as much as they think they do!

    Not pointing fingers or giving out, merely an observation.

    When the ERU are in plain clothes they are discreet, when they want to be indentified they are in tactical gear. No middle ground and they identify themselves by shouting "Armed Gardai" and having a gun but lets also remember they dont operate solo.
    Well they weren't so discreet on the Hyde Road in Ballincaurra Weston last Thursday morning!:p
    And I am 100% sure it was ERU.They were parked up on a green while plain clothes + uniformed Gardai searched houses,armed support on standby or something?They were also manning checkpoints.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭shakin


    eroo wrote: »
    Well they weren't so discreet on the Hyde Road in Ballincaurra Weston last Thursday morning!:p

    its the summer collection from the gardai


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    eroo wrote: »
    Well they weren't so discreet on the Hyde Road in Ballincaurra Weston last Thursday morning!:p
    And I am 100% sure it was ERU.They were parked up on a green while plain clothes + uniformed Gardai searched houses,armed support on standby or something?They were also manning checkpoints.

    How can you be 100%? Did they have 'ERU' written on their jackets? People like to think its the ERU when they see armed Gardai but theres not that many ERU members and they do have to cover more than just Limerick or Dublin at a time.
    CLADA wrote: »
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=47812&d=1208027319

    Hope the above link works and clears things up.

    HK MP7 + ERU member + Raid Jacket.

    Not being smart Clara but that doesnt prove anything at all. Its a picture of a Garda with a gun taken from a military site. For example and while were playing the game, this is from the Wikipedia page about the ERU but its actually not ERU. Do you think anyone will believe me? Nope but anyone that knows where this picture was taken knows Im right. A hint: Who gets all the toys before the ERU?
    Garda_EMU.png


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭CLADA


    How can you be 100%? Did they have 'ERU' written on their jackets? People like to think its the ERU when they see armed Gardai but theres not that many ERU members and they do have to cover more than just Limerick or Dublin at a time.



    Not being smart Clara but that doesnt prove anything at all. Its a picture of a Garda with a gun taken from a military site. For example and while were playing the game, this is from the Wikipedia page about the ERU but its actually not ERU. Do you think anyone will believe me? Nope but anyone that knows where this picture was taken knows Im right. A hint: Who gets all the toys before the ERU?
    Garda_EMU.png



    Put away the shovel like a good man and stop digging:D

    The first picture was printed in the irish independent on Friday 25th April and is taken outside Limerick District Court as Stephen Fitzgerald was charged with firearms possession (He who was tasered).

    The Garda is carrying a HK MP7 and the ERU are the only Garda personnel currently issued with the MP7.

    The second photo is a still taken from RTE news footage around the time the **** hit the fan in the C district. Its prior to the issue of the MP7 when ERU were still carrying the UZI.
    So there's no new toys in that picture.

    I'm not playing this game anymore, I'm trying to educate you and you keep throwing the rattler out of the pram:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭shakin


    How can you be 100%? Did they have 'ERU' written on their jackets? People like to think its the ERU when they see armed Gardai but theres not that many ERU members and they do have to cover more than just Limerick or Dublin at a time.

    take your point theres only about 50 members afaik


    Not being smart Clara but that doesnt prove anything at all. Its a picture of a Garda with a gun taken from a military site. For example and while were playing the game, this is from the Wikipedia page about the ERU but its actually not ERU. Do you think anyone will believe me? Nope but anyone that knows where this picture was taken knows Im right. A hint: Who gets all the toys before the ERU?

    arw? is that what you mean? i think that pic was from an rte news story and if i recall it said eru....


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    It is the ERU and they are their unmarked land cruisers. It was when they were manning checkpoints along with uniformed members in dublin city.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    shakin wrote: »
    Not being smart Clara but that doesnt prove anything at all. Its a picture of a Garda with a gun taken from a military site.

    The pic is a scan of a photo that featured in the Irish Independent last month.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    Chief--- wrote: »
    It is the ERU and they are their unmarked land cruisers. It was when they were manning checkpoints along with uniformed members in dublin city.


    My point exactly. Everyone including media said it was the ERU but it wasnt and I can guarantee that, I stood on many of those checkpoints with them. It is in fact the FTU in this picture not ERU at all. The ERU was not actually deployed in uniform within the C district only in pain clothes and Clara, if you have access within HQ then you should be able to find this out for yourself.



    As for being in public and what they wear, dont you think its strange that the ERU personels identity is protected information but yet we then send them out in open view? That makes no sense when you consider that they were allowed give evidence out of pubic view at the Lusk inquest and arrived with their faces covered. They arent even registered on PULSE as ERU.

    And finally, the UZI is being replaced across the board. ERU were prioritised for obvious reasons but all Uzis are going and are being replaced by the MP7 for all authorised to carry such weapons so its incorrect to state only ERU have access to it. The UZi is not even manufactured anymore and the contract for maintenance and parts expired a good while ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Fyr.Fytr


    Ftu?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    Fyr.Fytr wrote: »
    Ftu?
    Ya karlito what is this FTU you speak of?:cool::pac:You remember 2003 in Limerick when ERU were deployed?There was footage of ERU in full gear...however they weren't wearing masks/balaclava's so they are deployed as such..they can't protect their identity from everyone!
    http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=erucheckpointlimerick20et5.jpg (taken from miliphotos,thanks to apod))
    Also,the media couldn't get things wrong,i.e. identifying units,THAT BADLY!?

    As CLADA said,that Garda was ERU outside Limerick CC.
    As for being in public and what they wear, dont you think its strange that the ERU personels identity is protected information but yet we then send them out in open view? That makes no sense when you consider that they were allowed give evidence out of pubic view at the Lusk inquest and arrived with their faces covered

    Regarding indentity of ERU personnel being restricted,so is identity of ARW personnel but just 2 weeks ago there was pic of Rangers body guarding MforD Willie O' Dea in a prominent Irish Sunday paper..the only cover they had were sunglasses.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    eroo wrote: »
    Also,the media couldn't get things wrong,i.e. identifying units,THAT BADLY!?

    Why couldn't they? They've gotten plenty of other things completely arseways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    eroo wrote: »
    Regarding indentity of ERU personnel being restricted,so is identity of ARW personnel but just 2 weeks ago there was pic of Rangers body guarding MforD Willie O' Dea in a prominent Irish Sunday paper..the only cover they had were sunglasses.

    What the Army press office allows has nothing to do with the Gardai's policies regarding the identifying of members.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    cushtac wrote: »
    Why couldn't they? They've gotten plenty of other things completely arseways.
    I'm not disputing the fact they may have it wrong.
    cushtac wrote: »
    What the Army press office allows has nothing to do with the Gardai's policies regarding the identifying of members.
    Yes but ERU and ARW are both highly secretive units..but that doesn't mean they go around like Michael Jackson covering their faces all the time.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    eroo wrote: »
    Yes but ERU and ARW are both highly secretive units..but that doesn't mean they go around like Michael Jackson covering their faces all the time.:D

    Conversely they don't go around advertising their status either.

    Not every photo that appears in the papers labelled 'ERU' actually features a member of that unit, yet some people here seem to be basing everything on pics in the local rag.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    cushtac wrote: »
    Conversely they don't go around advertising their status either.

    Not every photo that appears in the papers labelled 'ERU' actually features a member of that unit, yet some people here seem to be basing everything on pics in the local rag.

    'some people'?Now now,be nice!:pac:

    Well care to expand on this FTU for those of us who are not in the Service?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    Firearms Training Unit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    cushtac wrote: »
    Firearms Training Unit

    If they are a training unit why would they be deployed on streets?(if that info is restricted etc I understand!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    eroo wrote: »
    If they are a training unit why would they be deployed on streets?(if that info is restricted etc I understand!)

    They can so operate if needed, and have done in the past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    cushtac wrote: »
    They can so operate if needed, and have done in the past.

    Would they be solely an armed support unit or do they do detective work etc?(if restricted etc!)

    EDIT:Would they be anything to the Firearms Automated Training Units or 'FATS'?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭shakin


    Regarding indentity of ERU personnel being restricted,so is identity of ARW personnel but just 2 weeks ago there was pic of Rangers body guarding MforD Willie O' Dea in a prominent Irish Sunday paper..the only cover they had were sunglasses.[/QUOTE]


    willie o'dea is guarded by arw? are you taking the piss?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    shakin wrote: »
    Regarding indentity of ERU personnel being restricted,so is identity of ARW personnel but just 2 weeks ago there was pic of Rangers body guarding MforD Willie O' Dea in a prominent Irish Sunday paper..the only cover they had were sunglasses.


    willie o'dea is guarded by arw? are you taking the piss?[/QUOTE]

    While on a trip to Kosovo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭shakin


    eroo wrote: »
    willie o'dea is guarded by arw? are you taking the piss?

    While on a trip to Kosovo.[/QUOTE]

    ok i thought you meant in ireland, i mean who would bother?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Stay_in_Kampuchea


    shakin wrote: »
    While on a trip to Kosovo.

    ok i thought you meant in ireland, i mean who would bother?[/quote]

    Well Reverend Green has it in for Crnl Mustard.You never know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    The ARW arent dealing with people that have a realistic chance of encountering them or their families in a non operational basis nor are they likely to be followed or targeted off duty.

    The firearms training unit can be deployed for certain armed functions. The type seen in Dublin being of planned checkpoints would suit them more than ERU who being only at a level of 50, need to deploy and move around the country but thats it.

    They are also the unit that gets all the toys before the ERU and at the time of the picture were already working with the MP7 on ranges etc for testing purposes.

    Were not going to get a member of the ERU to confirm when it is them or not so I suppose were going to have to just accept differant opinions on this one but I hope people have seen my point concerning incorrect identification.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭shakin


    The ARW arent dealing with people that have a realistic chance of encountering them or their families in a non operational basis nor are they likely to be followed or targeted off duty.

    The firearms training unit can be deployed for certain armed functions. The type seen in Dublin being of planned checkpoints would suit them more than ERU who being only at a level of 50, need to deploy and move around the country but thats it.

    They are also the unit that gets all the toys before the ERU and at the time of the picture were already working with the MP7 on ranges etc for testing purposes.

    Were not going to get a member of the ERU to confirm when it is them or not so I suppose were going to have to just accept differant opinions on this one but I hope people have seen my point concerning incorrect identification.

    they were definitely gardai anyway, after that it dont matter much


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    The ARW arent dealing with people that have a realistic chance of encountering them or their families in a non operational basis nor are they likely to be followed or targeted off duty.

    The firearms training unit can be deployed for certain armed functions. The type seen in Dublin being of planned checkpoints would suit them more than ERU who being only at a level of 50, need to deploy and move around the country but thats it.

    They are also the unit that gets all the toys before the ERU and at the time of the picture were already working with the MP7 on ranges etc for testing purposes.

    Were not going to get a member of the ERU to confirm when it is them or not so I suppose were going to have to just accept differant opinions on this one but I hope people have seen my point concerning incorrect identification.
    Wasn't there a case a couple of years back where the RIRA had a list of names and addresses of SDU/ERU detectives?
    Why don't The Garda Press Office say the FTU are being deployed because I really doubt,after reading this thread,that they are the only armed intervention unit in Limerick!?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    eroo wrote: »
    Wasn't there a case a couple of years back where the RIRA had a list of names and addresses of SDU/ERU detectives?
    Why don't The Garda Press Office say the FTU are being deployed because I really doubt,after reading this thread,that they are the only armed intervention unit in Limerick!?

    The press office rarely tell people in advance where the eru or other units will or will not be for obvious reasons.

    The eru are active in Limerick and Dublin, I dont doubt that. Im merely trying to point out that armed Garda = ERU is not true neither is mp7 = eru. They dont operate in plain clothes unless its covert and while there are some items available only to the ERu and FTU its not as simple as just saying a certain type of gun or vehicle, etc. Beanbag is unique to the ERU/FTU but that is because its only deployed in certain situations that the ERU are called to handle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    The press office rarely tell people in advance where the eru or other units will or will not be for obvious reasons.

    The eru are active in Limerick and Dublin, I dont doubt that. Im merely trying to point out that armed Garda = ERU is not true neither is mp7 = eru. They dont operate in plain clothes unless its covert and while there are some items available only to the ERu and FTU its not as simple as just saying a certain type of gun or vehicle, etc. Beanbag is unique to the ERU/FTU but that is because its only deployed in certain situations that the ERU are called to handle.
    So what are the FTU's duties,if it's ok for that to be said on a public forum?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭civdef


    The name surely must give some hints...


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