pre fight weight loss

geronimo1

just lookin for some info on weight loss before fights basically the best way to lose weight and still feel strong at the weight.at cage rage last saturday it looked like some of the fighters entered the cage maybe 8 to 12 kilos heavier than what they weighed in at.just wonderin how long before the fight you start to diet and whats good to eat and whats not and would the fighters use a diaretic?any info would be appreciated.

geronimo1

just lookin for some info on pre fight weight loss basically how to lose the weight and still feel strong at the weight.At cage rage last saturday it looked like some of the fighters had gained maybe 8to 12 kilos by the time they entered the cage,just wondering how long before the fight they start to diet,what they eat and would the fighters use a diaretic?Any info would be appreciated.

mickoo

geronimo1 wrote: »

at cage rage last saturday it looked like some of the fighters entered the cage maybe 8 to 12 kilos heavier than what they weighed in at.just wonderin how long before the fight you start to diet.

I think the diet should start weeks before the fight, normal healthy food and hard training! 8-12 kg sounds a bit extreme, who looked that heavy? missed this 1 so could not tell you..was at the last 1 and would not say this happened though..maybe it did though..

Khannie

There are a bunch of ways to make weight. Certainly if the weigh in is the day before, the easiest thing to do is sweat off some water, then replace it before the fight. There's a limit to this though. Not eating for a while helps to "clear out your intestines" too.

More extreme ways of losing water include saunas, sauna + sweatsuit, sauna + sweatsuit + exercise.

edit: It's certainly a good idea to "make" _some_ weight (as you can be sure the other guy is), but it's a diminishing returns kinda thing. You need to know your own body too.

Khannie

mickoo wrote: »

8-12 kg sounds a bit extreme

Meant to add this alright. That's a _huge_ amount. Probably not realistic (without affecting performance) tbh.

geronimo1

Khannie wrote: »

Meant to add this alright. That's a _huge_ amount. Probably not realistic (without affecting performance) tbh.

im not sure im been to extreme maybe i am mcnally at 77 looked 87 to me and taz 61.5 looked more 70kgs to me, they looked huge at the weight.

Judomad

Khannie wrote: »

Meant to add this alright. That's a _huge_ amount. Probably not realistic (without affecting performance) tbh.

no names but one fighter in particular looked huge compared to his opponent, like realy REALLY big in comparison.

stevemc01

http://www.grapplearts.com/How-to-Cut-Weight.html

Here is an interesting article I read a few weeks back, take it for what its worth.

I have never drastically cut weight, most i have done is about 10lbs in a week, which i have mostly kept off, but again I have read its better to do a trial run rather than cut weight for the first time for a fight.

the other guys on here who know a lot more than me should be able to help with any other questions you have.:)

Gorman

here is another good read http://www.subfighter.com/article2313.html

of course how much weight you can cut is dependant on your 'ideal' weight, I'm always around 145lbs and I find it a huge pain to drop 5lbs.

however if you are 200lbs dropping 10lbs - 20lb should be do-able.

I cut weight once for a bjj tournie, completely wasn't worth the effort. I won't be doing it again. You should only cut weight if ur getting paid;)

Nothingcompares

steve mccoombe was a monster! totally ripped like a little wanderlai silva. fair play to him must be a lot of effort in to get weight to 61.5. I have a lot of respect for people like that as I'm a fat cnut.

Clive

You have to draw a very clear division between "losing weight" and "cutting weight".

Losing weight is something anyone can do - watch your diet, exercise etc. Slowly but surely your normal day to day weight will drop. If you're doing things right it'll be fat you're losing.

Cutting weight is a very different proposition, as it involves very short term weight loss (less than a day, often less than an hour!) and is largely based around dehydration. This weight would then ideally be put back on before fight time.

muckwarrior

Just as a matter of interest, is there any specific reason that pro events generally have weigh-ins the day before? Why not just have them the same day, or even just before the fighters enter the cage? Surely this would ensure that the fighters are almost identical in size and make it more of a competition to see who's the best fighter and less a competition to see who can cut the most weight.

I know that's probably over simplifying it, but am just curious as to why the system is the way it is.

Clive

muckwarrior wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, is there any specific reason that pro events generally have weigh-ins the day before? Why not just have them the same day, or even just before the fighters enter the cage? Surely this would ensure that the fighters are almost identical in size and make it more of a competition to see who's the best fighter and less a competition to see who can cut the most weight.

I know that's probably over simplifying it, but am just curious as to why the system is the way it is.

Because then you have two situations -

1. A fighter is over the weight and cuts to make it. S/he would then be going into a fight dehydrated - which is dangerous for the brainium, and would lead to boring fights with a lack of energy.

2. A fighter is overweight - the fight is cancelled.

As in any sport with weight categories, people will always strive to be at the exact allowed limit. Inevitably, people will be overwight and one of the two situations would occur.

Raze_them_all

plus cutting weight is a skill in itself, it goes hand in hand with fighting, A fighter will always try to give himself an advantage

paddyc

8-12 kg sounds a bit extreme

Meant to add this alright. That's a _huge_ amount. Probably not realistic (without affecting performance) tbh.

khannie you only need to ask the fat lad and he'll tell you bout the days of weighin in on the monday at 80kg and weighin in on the fri at 70kg


its all in the mind. sit in a sauna with a book and dont come out till you'bve read it..

Judomad

paddyc wrote: »

khannie you only need to ask the fat lad and he'll tell you bout the days of weighin in on the monday at 80kg and weighin in on the fri at 70kg


its all in the mind. sit in a sauna with a book and dont come out till you'bve read it..

wow i never knew reading books cut weight :D:D was it a magic book

mark.leonard

geronimo1 wrote: »

im not sure im been to extreme maybe i am mcnally at 77 looked 87 to me and taz 61.5 looked more 70kgs to me, they looked huge at the weight.

Emmet cuts a bit alright, but not that much, 87? No.
Taz is a very big cutter, but that fact that there not a pick of fat on him makes him look bigger than others in the category. I must ask him what he cuts down from actually but in all likelihood its probably 65 at the most, though maybe I am not giving him enough credit!

Khannie

paddyc wrote: »

khannie you only need to ask the fat lad and he'll tell you bout the days of weighin in on the monday at 80kg and weighin in on the fri at 70kg

Surely that kind of extreme weight loss is going to affect you fairly negatively in the fight though?

I feel rotten after 20 minutes in the poxy sauna.

FiannaGym.com

If you plan on this definitely do a test cut.

Cutting weight absolutely destroys me. Anyone who knows me will tell you I LOVE to eat, I live to eat actually. My soul is the main thing that gets depleted when I starve so I will never cut weight again.

So give it a try and see how you go. One Saturday do a very strenuous curcuit and time yourself. The following Saturday do it again, but have gone through the weight cutting procedure.

Hell on earth for me. Make sure that how ever you cut learn to rehydrate well too.

That means, coconut water or pedialyte (preferably kind of warm). Then water and when you can eat get the "complex carbs" into you in spades. Just eat and eat and eat. So you get heavy and have the benefit of the cut.

On the how much you gain/how much you loose thing that depends on your muscle mass more that your weight. Tall skinny 155ers wont be able to cut or gain as much as short stocky 155ers.

Peace

geronimo1

FiannaGym.com wrote: »

If you plan on this definitely do a test cut.

Cutting weight absolutely destroys me. Anyone who knows me will tell you I LOVE to eat, I live to eat actually. My soul is the main thing that gets depleted when I starve so I will never cut weight again.

So give it a try and see how you go. One Saturday do a very strenuous curcuit and time yourself. The following Saturday do it again, but have gone through the weight cutting procedure.

Hell on earth for me. Make sure that how ever you cut learn to rehydrate well too.

That means, coconut water or pedialyte (preferably kind of warm). Then water and when you can eat get the "complex carbs" into you in spades. Just eat and eat and eat. So you get heavy and have the benefit of the cut.

On the how much you gain/how much you loose thing that depends on your muscle mass more that your weight. Tall skinny 155ers wont be able to cut or gain as much as short stocky 155ers.

Peace

thanks very much for that appreciate it

mickoo

mark.leonard wrote: »

Taz is a very big cutter, but that fact that there not a pick of fat on him makes him look bigger than others in the category. I must ask him what he cuts down from actually but in all likelihood its probably 65 at the most, though maybe I am not giving him enough credit!

If he was more muscle and less fat he'd not be as bulky as his opponent, cowzer is big for 61, actually usuall bigger than the 66 lads and looked small compared to mcombe in the photo's i seen, muscle is compact where fat is bulky, cowzer had more body fat plus good muscle and was visibly smaller in mass, Mcombe is obviously very good at cutting weight. if i was to guess i would of thought he looked like a 70kg fighter..

mickoo

mark.leonard wrote: »

Taz is a very big cutter, but that fact that there not a pick of fat on him makes him look bigger than others in the category. I must ask him what he cuts down from actually but in all likelihood its probably 65 at the most, though maybe I am not giving him enough credit!

If he was more muscle and less fat he'd not be as bulky as his opponent, cowzer is big for 61, actually usually bigger than the 66 lads he's fought and looked small compared to mcombe in the photo's i seen, muscle is compact where fat is bulky, cowzer had more body fat plus good muscle and was visibly smaller in mass, Mcombe is obviously very good at cutting weight. if i was to guess i would of thought he looked like a 70kg fighter..

Roper

Steve McCombe looks bigger then he actually is on account of the low body fat. He's probably a bit shorter than most of his opponents too.

Khannie

That is very low bf alright. How tall is he? He certainly looks a lot heavier than I am (I fight at 60) but it's hard to tell without knowing how tall he is.

Im2Lazy

Off on a bit of a tangent.....Probably more a question to some of the fighters.

Say you fighting @ 70kg but walk around 75kg weight-in is the day before the fight & you cut down to under 70kg to make weight but then bulk back up so when you actually get in the ring/cage you're over 70kg.

Do you not feel like you're cheating?

I know this is becoming the accepted norm in all combat sports but isn't it breaking the rules plain & simple?

cowzerp

Its not cheating, the weigh in is the day before, so if you make the weight through legal means then fair play. legal means would be diet, sweat training, saunas.. illegal or at least immoral would be using drugs or duiretics..

Ps, Steve is down as 5,3" i thought he looked about 5,4" though!

EFR TAZ

well i tryed to stayof this topic, but the word cheating rattled my cage! i will start by sayin that makin the weight is taken very seriously by the EFR team, my friend didnt make the weight for a title fight so lost the bantamweight title without even fightin. any way ive bin involved with boxin since i was 7 my uncle ran a successfull club in antrim for 25 years, therefore ive had a headstart when it comes to weight cuting(you all need to catch up) i reapeat weight cuting not losing weight for a fight!! i no most of the tricks some good some realy bad(sauna). i usd to cut 3 kgs for intermediate and senior am fights. i left boxin at 22 and got in to weight liftin so then i learnt the importance of nutrition,i also work in a gym so always kept up with fitness. i started MMA at 27 and the rest is history. so back to the topic, i walk about at 67/68 kgs,yea im a big bantam,5"6 to be exact. im in total control off my diet and weight, i cut to make 61.5 and im proud off that. ive made 60kg for a fight in scotland(same day weighin). nearly every fighter on the world stage cuts its called professionalism not cheating! stick to the amaters if ya dont want to cut! you have to be fightin at your lowest possible weight or your gonna get hurt!! now makin the weight is soul destroyin, its hard fisically and mentally, i turn in to a monster for 4 or 5 days ask my girl. so the word cheatin really gets to me because i work hard to get to this weight. i am dedicated to this sport i dont touch alcahol when most of you are eating a big bacs, kfcs, kebabs, chinese, chocolate and hotdogs( the last one is a dig at my next aponenent lol) im eatin steamed fishand brown rice ,porriage, fruit and veg NO SUGAR! this explains my low body fat ratio which is about 5% never over 10%,which in turn gives me lean muscle mass therfore muscle is mostly made up from water, al not go to far with this im keepin my secrets! but i will say that ive only used the sauna twice in my 10 mma fights. all this info is on the net and easy to find. getting to the weight is hard but putting the weight back on correctly and more is the real trick! there are certain things you have to do so ya dont feel like **** before the fight again the info is out there,your preperation for the fight dosnt end when you walk out off the gym!! i will say this i have seen fighters that are so nervous before or even night before that they cant eat. i have no such problems!! if you do cut properly you should end up 1or2kgs heavier than the weight you started cuttin from.. i hope thats cleared a few things up IM NO CHEAT! OH thats right im fightin Paul Mcveigh soon from what i hear he cuts a shed load off weight but then again he is a WORLD CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!

Chris89

Get a return key ^.

Cutting weight is clearly not cheating, thats a ridiculous thing to say.

Khannie

Im2Lazy wrote: »

Do you not feel like you're cheating?

Not in the slightest. It's all part of the fight preparation.

mickoo

EFR TAZ wrote: »

well i tryed to stayof this topic, but the word cheating rattled my cage!

but i will say that ive only used the sauna twice in my 10 mma fights. i hope thats cleared a few things up IM NO CHEAT!

2 things, did you not have 15 fights?

2nd, i did not see anyone say that you cheated, just that cutting is cheating and we all know thats ridiculus..

EFR TAZ

no im 8&2 where do ya get your info

im lookin at the whole thread and the way its going, just makin it clear that im not a cheat so chill!

mickoo

mma universe

EFR TAZ

oh dear take another look at the fights they have me fightin 3 times in the 1 night, one at light heavy im good but not that good, no there is another steven mccombe from sudden impact club they have us mixed up, he fights at midle now. they dont even have all my fights on it, hope that helps ya micko!

Nothingcompares

where and when is the mcveigh/mccoombe fight that sounds interesting?

Nevermind :

fighttalk wrote:

EFR Fight Teams Steve 'Taz' McCombe will fight Paul McVeigh for the Cagewarriors Bantamweight world Title on June 8th
Should be a great fight between the UK's top bantamweights

EFR TAZ

8th off june cagewarriors nottingham i think

Nothingcompares

goodluck

EFR TAZ

cheers mate

mickoo

Mcveigh is a slick submision fighter so this fight will be all about position..title staying with the irish either way!!

EFR TAZ

lol, you got that right!

Im2Lazy

Sorry if anyone got offended! None was intended:o

I realise cutting weight is a tough thing to do for a fighter & is now a major part of the sport nowadays. As myself & Khannie said in different ways

Khannie wrote:

It's all part of the fight preparation.

Im2Lazy wrote:

it's become the accepted norm.

I agree with cowzerp

cowzerp wrote: »

Its not cheating, the weigh in is the day before, so if you make the weight through legal means then fair play. legal means would be diet, sweat training, saunas.. illegal or at least immoral would be using drugs or duiretics..

your not breaking any rules offically but if you step into a ring over the weight limit your fighting at you're just beating the system but in a black & white, & possibly naive view is that still not breaking the rules?

EFR TAZ

cheers im2lazy ya might have i point but at the end of the day this is a professional sport, and you cant give the other fighter that sort of advantage, you have to look after yourself, and no offence your view does sound amaterish. have ya seen amir khan fightin lately 9 stone 12, he is not that weight when he steps in to the ring, so lean and powerful but hes a top pro..

Clive

Im2Lazy wrote: »

I agree with cowzerp your not breaking any rules offically but if you step into a ring over the weight limit your fighting at you're just beating the system but in a black & white, & possibly naive view is that still not breaking the rules?

No, since there is never any agreement of what weight you'll fight at, merely the weight you'll weigh in at.

Put it this way - if we have two fighters who both compete at their natural everyday weight, say 77kg.
Before the fight, one of them has a big dinner and comes into the ring at 78kg - is that cheating?

Mikel

it's part and parcel of any combat sport, and obviously it takes hard work, but it's still a fair point imo. Usually when it's brought up fighters get very defensive because they're being accused of breaking the rules (which they're not) and they can go through hell to make weight.
But, the spirit of the rules is that you have similar sized fighters, which is not always the case because if someone cuts a stone of water and puts it back on there can be a large difference in size. The usual counter is that his opponent could put on a stone of muscle and do the same cut, or go to a lighter weight category. Also, some guys find it easier but then again some guys find learning bjj easier than others too.
It's just part of the game I suppose, whether people like it or not we're stuck with it. You could reduce it with later weigh ins, but that could cause more problems than it solves

FiannaGym.com

Matt Lindland has a great attitude to ambiguity in rules when it comes to MMA.

Basically he doesn't see it as the fighters responsibility to obey the rules but rather the referee's/promoters/commissions/judges/doctors/etc to enforce them.

This is coming from Matt "The Law" Lindland.

Cutting weight is not at all cheating. Every fighter on here will have their own personal tricks they use. Drummo and I always wrapped out hands in a unique way, which we thought gave us the edge. Some people ingest something/or smell something before a fight to give them clarity or energy. Fighters have rituals and methods that don't break rules but a certainly unregulated.

As with any competitive sport the full range of possibilities within the letter of the rules will be explored. Training at altitude, hypoxic tents, olympic weightlifting, nutrition, rubber guard, etc.

The thing to remember is your not just fighting one guy, your fighting a whole system, bad refs, slippy floors, bad velcro on your gloves, a guy who is more skilled, has a better team, a team with more knowledge and fight prep craft etc. Once you realise that this is the sport your fighting it becomes much easier to accept what you need to do etc.

Peace

EFR TAZ

good post mate, suppose that somes it up!