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pre fight weight loss

  • 08-05-2008 03:23PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 45


    just lookin for some info on weight loss before fights basically the best way to lose weight and still feel strong at the weight.at cage rage last saturday it looked like some of the fighters entered the cage maybe 8 to 12 kilos heavier than what they weighed in at.just wonderin how long before the fight you start to diet and whats good to eat and whats not and would the fighters use a diaretic?any info would be appreciated.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 geronimo1


    just lookin for some info on pre fight weight loss basically how to lose the weight and still feel strong at the weight.At cage rage last saturday it looked like some of the fighters had gained maybe 8to 12 kilos by the time they entered the cage,just wondering how long before the fight they start to diet,what they eat and would the fighters use a diaretic?Any info would be appreciated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭mickoo


    geronimo1 wrote: »
    at cage rage last saturday it looked like some of the fighters entered the cage maybe 8 to 12 kilos heavier than what they weighed in at.just wonderin how long before the fight you start to diet.

    I think the diet should start weeks before the fight, normal healthy food and hard training! 8-12 kg sounds a bit extreme, who looked that heavy? missed this 1 so could not tell you..was at the last 1 and would not say this happened though..maybe it did though..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    There are a bunch of ways to make weight. Certainly if the weigh in is the day before, the easiest thing to do is sweat off some water, then replace it before the fight. There's a limit to this though. Not eating for a while helps to "clear out your intestines" too.

    More extreme ways of losing water include saunas, sauna + sweatsuit, sauna + sweatsuit + exercise.

    edit: It's certainly a good idea to "make" _some_ weight (as you can be sure the other guy is), but it's a diminishing returns kinda thing. You need to know your own body too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    mickoo wrote: »
    8-12 kg sounds a bit extreme

    Meant to add this alright. That's a _huge_ amount. Probably not realistic (without affecting performance) tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 geronimo1


    Khannie wrote: »
    Meant to add this alright. That's a _huge_ amount. Probably not realistic (without affecting performance) tbh.
    im not sure im been to extreme maybe i am mcnally at 77 looked 87 to me and taz 61.5 looked more 70kgs to me, they looked huge at the weight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    Khannie wrote: »
    Meant to add this alright. That's a _huge_ amount. Probably not realistic (without affecting performance) tbh.

    no names but one fighter in particular looked huge compared to his opponent, like realy REALLY big in comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭stevemc01


    http://www.grapplearts.com/How-to-Cut-Weight.html

    Here is an interesting article I read a few weeks back, take it for what its worth.

    I have never drastically cut weight, most i have done is about 10lbs in a week, which i have mostly kept off, but again I have read its better to do a trial run rather than cut weight for the first time for a fight.

    the other guys on here who know a lot more than me should be able to help with any other questions you have.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭Gorman


    here is another good read http://www.subfighter.com/article2313.html

    of course how much weight you can cut is dependant on your 'ideal' weight, I'm always around 145lbs and I find it a huge pain to drop 5lbs.

    however if you are 200lbs dropping 10lbs - 20lb should be do-able.

    I cut weight once for a bjj tournie, completely wasn't worth the effort. I won't be doing it again. You should only cut weight if ur getting paid;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    steve mccoombe was a monster! totally ripped like a little wanderlai silva. fair play to him must be a lot of effort in to get weight to 61.5. I have a lot of respect for people like that as I'm a fat cnut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Clive


    You have to draw a very clear division between "losing weight" and "cutting weight".

    Losing weight is something anyone can do - watch your diet, exercise etc. Slowly but surely your normal day to day weight will drop. If you're doing things right it'll be fat you're losing.

    Cutting weight is a very different proposition, as it involves very short term weight loss (less than a day, often less than an hour!) and is largely based around dehydration. This weight would then ideally be put back on before fight time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    Just as a matter of interest, is there any specific reason that pro events generally have weigh-ins the day before? Why not just have them the same day, or even just before the fighters enter the cage? Surely this would ensure that the fighters are almost identical in size and make it more of a competition to see who's the best fighter and less a competition to see who can cut the most weight.

    I know that's probably over simplifying it, but am just curious as to why the system is the way it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Clive


    Just as a matter of interest, is there any specific reason that pro events generally have weigh-ins the day before? Why not just have them the same day, or even just before the fighters enter the cage? Surely this would ensure that the fighters are almost identical in size and make it more of a competition to see who's the best fighter and less a competition to see who can cut the most weight.

    I know that's probably over simplifying it, but am just curious as to why the system is the way it is.

    Because then you have two situations -

    1. A fighter is over the weight and cuts to make it. S/he would then be going into a fight dehydrated - which is dangerous for the brainium, and would lead to boring fights with a lack of energy.

    2. A fighter is overweight - the fight is cancelled.

    As in any sport with weight categories, people will always strive to be at the exact allowed limit. Inevitably, people will be overwight and one of the two situations would occur.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,477 ✭✭✭✭Raze_them_all


    plus cutting weight is a skill in itself, it goes hand in hand with fighting, A fighter will always try to give himself an advantage


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭paddyc


    8-12 kg sounds a bit extreme

    Meant to add this alright. That's a _huge_ amount. Probably not realistic (without affecting performance) tbh.


    khannie you only need to ask the fat lad and he'll tell you bout the days of weighin in on the monday at 80kg and weighin in on the fri at 70kg :)


    its all in the mind. sit in a sauna with a book and dont come out till you'bve read it..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    paddyc wrote: »
    khannie you only need to ask the fat lad and he'll tell you bout the days of weighin in on the monday at 80kg and weighin in on the fri at 70kg :)


    its all in the mind. sit in a sauna with a book and dont come out till you'bve read it..

    wow i never knew reading books cut weight :D:D:D was it a magic book :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭mark.leonard


    geronimo1 wrote: »
    im not sure im been to extreme maybe i am mcnally at 77 looked 87 to me and taz 61.5 looked more 70kgs to me, they looked huge at the weight.

    Emmet cuts a bit alright, but not that much, 87? No.
    Taz is a very big cutter, but that fact that there not a pick of fat on him makes him look bigger than others in the category. I must ask him what he cuts down from actually but in all likelihood its probably 65 at the most, though maybe I am not giving him enough credit!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    paddyc wrote: »
    khannie you only need to ask the fat lad and he'll tell you bout the days of weighin in on the monday at 80kg and weighin in on the fri at 70kg :)

    Surely that kind of extreme weight loss is going to affect you fairly negatively in the fight though?

    I feel rotten after 20 minutes in the poxy sauna.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭FiannaGym.com


    If you plan on this definitely do a test cut.

    Cutting weight absolutely destroys me. Anyone who knows me will tell you I LOVE to eat, I live to eat actually. My soul is the main thing that gets depleted when I starve so I will never cut weight again.

    So give it a try and see how you go. One Saturday do a very strenuous curcuit and time yourself. The following Saturday do it again, but have gone through the weight cutting procedure.

    Hell on earth for me. Make sure that how ever you cut learn to rehydrate well too.

    That means, coconut water or pedialyte (preferably kind of warm). Then water and when you can eat get the "complex carbs" into you in spades. Just eat and eat and eat. So you get heavy and have the benefit of the cut.

    On the how much you gain/how much you loose thing that depends on your muscle mass more that your weight. Tall skinny 155ers wont be able to cut or gain as much as short stocky 155ers.

    Peace


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 geronimo1


    If you plan on this definitely do a test cut.

    Cutting weight absolutely destroys me. Anyone who knows me will tell you I LOVE to eat, I live to eat actually. My soul is the main thing that gets depleted when I starve so I will never cut weight again.

    So give it a try and see how you go. One Saturday do a very strenuous curcuit and time yourself. The following Saturday do it again, but have gone through the weight cutting procedure.

    Hell on earth for me. Make sure that how ever you cut learn to rehydrate well too.

    That means, coconut water or pedialyte (preferably kind of warm). Then water and when you can eat get the "complex carbs" into you in spades. Just eat and eat and eat. So you get heavy and have the benefit of the cut.

    On the how much you gain/how much you loose thing that depends on your muscle mass more that your weight. Tall skinny 155ers wont be able to cut or gain as much as short stocky 155ers.

    Peace
    thanks very much for that appreciate it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭mickoo


    Taz is a very big cutter, but that fact that there not a pick of fat on him makes him look bigger than others in the category. I must ask him what he cuts down from actually but in all likelihood its probably 65 at the most, though maybe I am not giving him enough credit!

    If he was more muscle and less fat he'd not be as bulky as his opponent, cowzer is big for 61, actually usuall bigger than the 66 lads and looked small compared to mcombe in the photo's i seen, muscle is compact where fat is bulky, cowzer had more body fat plus good muscle and was visibly smaller in mass, Mcombe is obviously very good at cutting weight. if i was to guess i would of thought he looked like a 70kg fighter..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭mickoo


    Taz is a very big cutter, but that fact that there not a pick of fat on him makes him look bigger than others in the category. I must ask him what he cuts down from actually but in all likelihood its probably 65 at the most, though maybe I am not giving him enough credit!

    If he was more muscle and less fat he'd not be as bulky as his opponent, cowzer is big for 61, actually usually bigger than the 66 lads he's fought and looked small compared to mcombe in the photo's i seen, muscle is compact where fat is bulky, cowzer had more body fat plus good muscle and was visibly smaller in mass, Mcombe is obviously very good at cutting weight. if i was to guess i would of thought he looked like a 70kg fighter..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Steve McCombe looks bigger then he actually is on account of the low body fat. He's probably a bit shorter than most of his opponents too.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    That is very low bf alright. How tall is he? He certainly looks a lot heavier than I am (I fight at 60) but it's hard to tell without knowing how tall he is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Im2Lazy


    Off on a bit of a tangent.....Probably more a question to some of the fighters.

    Say you fighting @ 70kg but walk around 75kg weight-in is the day before the fight & you cut down to under 70kg to make weight but then bulk back up so when you actually get in the ring/cage you're over 70kg.

    Do you not feel like you're cheating? ;)

    I know this is becoming the accepted norm in all combat sports but isn't it breaking the rules plain & simple? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Its not cheating, the weigh in is the day before, so if you make the weight through legal means then fair play. legal means would be diet, sweat training, saunas.. illegal or at least immoral would be using drugs or duiretics..

    Ps, Steve is down as 5,3" i thought he looked about 5,4" though!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 EFR TAZ


    well i tryed to stayof this topic, but the word cheating rattled my cage! i will start by sayin that makin the weight is taken very seriously by the EFR team, my friend didnt make the weight for a title fight so lost the bantamweight title without even fightin. any way ive bin involved with boxin since i was 7 my uncle ran a successfull club in antrim for 25 years, therefore ive had a headstart when it comes to weight cuting(you all need to catch up) i reapeat weight cuting not losing weight for a fight!! i no most of the tricks some good some realy bad(sauna). i usd to cut 3 kgs for intermediate and senior am fights. i left boxin at 22 and got in to weight liftin so then i learnt the importance of nutrition,i also work in a gym so always kept up with fitness. i started MMA at 27 and the rest is history. so back to the topic, i walk about at 67/68 kgs,yea im a big bantam,5"6 to be exact. im in total control off my diet and weight, i cut to make 61.5 and im proud off that. ive made 60kg for a fight in scotland(same day weighin). nearly every fighter on the world stage cuts its called professionalism not cheating! stick to the amaters if ya dont want to cut! you have to be fightin at your lowest possible weight or your gonna get hurt!! now makin the weight is soul destroyin, its hard fisically and mentally, i turn in to a monster for 4 or 5 days ask my girl. so the word cheatin really gets to me because i work hard to get to this weight. i am dedicated to this sport i dont touch alcahol when most of you are eating a big bacs, kfcs, kebabs, chinese, chocolate and hotdogs( the last one is a dig at my next aponenent lol) im eatin steamed fishand brown rice ,porriage, fruit and veg NO SUGAR! this explains my low body fat ratio which is about 5% never over 10%,which in turn gives me lean muscle mass therfore muscle is mostly made up from water, al not go to far with this im keepin my secrets! but i will say that ive only used the sauna twice in my 10 mma fights. all this info is on the net and easy to find. getting to the weight is hard but putting the weight back on correctly and more is the real trick! there are certain things you have to do so ya dont feel like **** before the fight again the info is out there,your preperation for the fight dosnt end when you walk out off the gym!! i will say this i have seen fighters that are so nervous before or even night before that they cant eat. i have no such problems!! if you do cut properly you should end up 1or2kgs heavier than the weight you started cuttin from.. i hope thats cleared a few things up IM NO CHEAT! OH thats right im fightin Paul Mcveigh soon from what i hear he cuts a shed load off weight but then again he is a WORLD CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Chris89


    Get a return key ^.

    Cutting weight is clearly not cheating, thats a ridiculous thing to say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Im2Lazy wrote: »
    Do you not feel like you're cheating? ;)

    Not in the slightest. It's all part of the fight preparation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭mickoo


    EFR TAZ wrote: »
    well i tryed to stayof this topic, but the word cheating rattled my cage!

    but i will say that ive only used the sauna twice in my 10 mma fights. i hope thats cleared a few things up IM NO CHEAT!

    2 things, did you not have 15 fights?

    2nd, i did not see anyone say that you cheated, just that cutting is cheating and we all know thats ridiculus..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 EFR TAZ


    no im 8&2 where do ya get your info

    im lookin at the whole thread and the way its going, just makin it clear that im not a cheat so chill!


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