Everest, WSOP, etc

5starpool

Ok, this thread is obviously to talk about the controversial situation with rag2gar/WSOP/Everest etc.

I really didn't want to start this, but several threads are being overtaken by this and derailed, and also rag2gar has said that the situation is at a conclusion now anyhow.

There will be no finger pointing or accusing in this thread. No abuse of people. Unless you have positive proof (whichI doubt), do not accuse. This attacking also includes towards rag2gar.

If you can't live with that then don't post. I very much doubt there will be warnings given in this thread, it will be bans. Warnings were given in other threads before about this.

Ste05

5starpool wrote: »

If you can't live with that then don't post. I very much doubt there will be warnings given in this thread, it will be bans. Warnings were given in other threads before about this.

You've all been warned.

Theresalwaysone

Theres a storm brewing.....

Mr.Plough

ma man

Macspower

as per my previous post? anyone want to stand up and be counted? you felt stongly enough to copy the original blog and sent it to everest..... and you strong enough to stand up for your convictions?

all I have to say on the matter....

Slash/ED

In all seriousness do we know if it was actually someone from boards, not some randomer who found the blog/thread who mightn't even be Irish, could be anyone...Or do we know it was someone from here?

If it was someone from here they're complete scum, but that goes without saying.

Mr Minraise

Has he got actually got the package taken away?

If so its a complete joke.

luckylucky

5starpool wrote: »

There will be no finger pointing or accusing in this thread. No abuse of people.

bit pointless then. :rolleyes:

Anyway clear that most people don't give a damn about what happened, no one seems to feel the least bit guilty, no surprise there:(.

This has ripped the heart out of this forum imo, there certainly is no overall boards poker clique now.

The_Chopper

Can someone give me cliff notes on all the events please

Hitman Actual

Slash/ED wrote: »

In all seriousness do we know if it was actually someone from boards, not some randomer who found the blog/thread who mightn't even be Irish, could be anyone...Or do we know it was someone from here?

If it was someone from here they're complete scum, but that goes without saying.

That's the thing for me as well. I'd be very surprised, and disappointed, if someone from here would do that, no matter what their opinions on the issue are.

Rb

Slash/ED wrote: »

In all seriousness do we know if it was actually someone from boards, not some randomer who found the blog/thread who mightn't even be Irish, could be anyone...Or do we know it was someone from here?

If it was someone from here they're complete scum, but that goes without saying.

We'll never know unless someone actually comes out and admits it.

I can't see it happening though, because all the evidence is pointing towards a "friend" or someone who at least reads Garys blog regularly enough to have seen it before it was taken down.

Since noone else has said it yet since it became public knowledge, I'll be the first to say: Sorry to hear about what happened rag2gar, really ul man. Keep the chin up.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Save me reading a 23-page thread on the matter. I know there was the issue of help being given (a non-issue imo).

But why would someone be bitter enough to try to get a $13,000 package off someone who is apparently quite likeable? Its not a rhetorical question btw, i honestly don't understand. Did someone on here lose money?

cardshark202

Who the hell is going to admit to it if you're all already calling the guy a lowlife scumbox? Lets not forget that whoever did it, was not the cheater(whether deliberate or not), so don't go making fools out of yourselves(probably too late on that note)

LuckyLloyd

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Macspower

Ste05 wrote: »

You've all been warned.

Mr Minraise wrote: »

Has he got actually got the package taken away?

If so its a complete joke.

From my understanding of it there was more than one complaint to everest regarding the situation...

gary will no doubt fill us in at some stage of exact details but my understanding was he got a mail withdrawing his prize and when he challenged it they produced his original blog in screen shot format...

Mr.Plough

luckylucky wrote: »

bit pointless then. :rolleyes:

Anyway clear that most people don't give a damn about what happened, no one seems to feel the least bit guilty, no surprise there:(.

What do you want them to do? They can't go around drawing up new forum rules whenever they please.

luckylucky

Macspower wrote: »

you felt stongly enough to copy the original blog and sent it to everest

I was under the impression that several emails not just one were sent to Everest about this. Did someone definitely copy the original blog and sent it to Everest, because as far as I know even a deleted blog entry can be retrieved as search engines archive them, so the chaces are no one actualy emailed them the deleted blog, Everest probably managed to retrieve it themselves when directed to Gary's blog

Mr Minraise wrote: »

Has he got actually got the package taken away?

If so its a complete joke.

Yes.

Killme00

In the Jackpot on Saturday night, I actually asked Gary if i could buy a couple of percent of him for the WSOP. He told me he lost the package and Keith and Mick told me what happened. I am amazed that someone could do this and would hope that the would come on here and explain why this was done. It might also be an idea to get some sort of response from Everest if that is possible?



Gary, if you are reading this, i would still buy 5% of you and if you get enough backing you could still play the WSOP.

El Stuntman

Roundtower2 wrote: »

But why would someone be bitter enough to try to get a $13,000 package off someone who is apparently quite likeable?

petty-minded spite, disgusting behaviour in my book

luckylucky

rb_ie wrote: »

Sorry to hear about what happened rag2gar, really ul man. Keep the chin up.

Complete opposite to what you said in the congrats thread, pfffttt

nicnicnic

rb_ie wrote: »

Indeed. However, I don't get why everyones suddenly assuming it was Holla, he doesn't even know Gary so why would he bother ratting him out? There's an equal amount of unregistered people browsing this forum as there is registered members, they read everything we do so why should it automatically be assumed that it wasn't one of them?

If a copy of his original blog entry was emailed to everest, then it narrows down the field significantly. As far as I know, not many even got to read it before it was edited and who regularly reads his blog anyway? Does Hollaments? Maybe so but I very much doubt it.

Was the blog entry taken down before the "Well done rag2gar" thread was posted? If so, it narrows it down even further to the few who actually do read his blog regularly, or those that he told about the updated blog (i.e friends/people he talks to on msn etc). Is holla one of them? I doubt it.

from the other tread and directed at me, I wasn't saying it was Holla, and don't think it was him. I think your right and the answer lies in who read had a copy of the blog for the short time it was up

LuckyLloyd

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derealbadger

Roundtower2 wrote: »

Save me reading a 23-page thread on the matter. I know there was the issue of help being given (a non-issue imo).

But why would someone be bitter enough to try to get a $13,000 package off someone who is apparently quite likeable? Its not a rhetorical question btw, i honestly don't understand. Did someone on here lose money?

some muppets just want to have the offical line say that they are corect im sure who ever sent it never did 61 in a 60 mph zone either

Rb

luckylucky wrote: »

Complete opposite to what you said in the congrats thread, pfffttt

I realise that but I never felt it should be taken away from him as a result.

smurph

5starpool wrote: »

Ok, this thread is obviously to talk about the controversial situation with rag2gar/WSOP/Everest etc.

I really didn't want to start this, but several threads are being overtaken by this and derailed, and also rag2gar has said that the situation is at a conclusion now anyhow.

firstly I think it was very bad form that the chain of "events" so to speak of Gary winning the WSOP tickets were sent to Everest, and yes I feel very bad for Gary, but Everest obviously felt that his actions (however innocent) were in breach of T & C, so I honestly cannot see the point of this thread.

Do people here really think that the person who sent the copy of the blog is going to come on here and admit to it. Come on now let's keep it real!!

The only thing that this thread is going to do is to add fuel to an already big fire.

I have highligted above because Dom has mentioned that the situation is at a conclusion? Maybe if Gary could tell us what happened with Everest it might clear things up a bit.

BigCityBanker

[MOD NOTE:
Some details of this post have been cast into doubt later in the thread. We await details from BCB as to his sources and/or back-up for the below. It appears there were several e-mails sent to Everest Poker and not just the one from Holllaments as it appears from reading the below.

Ste05]

a couple of things.

Hollaments, you were very wrong to email what you did to Everest. Garys account was only suspended and investigated after your email. If you, or Lloyd/Cardshark or others who seemed to think that your mail would be of no consequence are genuinly that naive then I am truly baffled. If a mail like that arrived into some of the staff in here and found its way to my desk id know within an hour what tournament/player etc the events surrounded. You single handidly brought Everest Pokers attention to this issue and in my eyes are solely responsible. This holds true by the fact that Garys account was only suspended subsequent to your email which was 3 or 4 days after the ticket was won, believe me, very little in the way of routine checks occur with this time lag so it could only be with attention that a specific tournament would be checked. Your behaviour from what I have seen of it marks you down as an exceptionally immature individual. May I suggest that you grow up and have more consideration for the consequences of your actions on others.

From once Everest investigate and see 3 ip's then its pretty much an opened and closed book for them, especially when they see this having been sent a somewhat leading (innocent according to your misplaced mindset) email which will ultimately ensure their preconcieved idea of events along with multiple ip's addresses on the account will lead to expulsion.

For the record, unless I am missing something I am not aware of anybody specifcally sending the blog and thread to Everest. However, I am aware that Everest searched through Google Cache and found Garys original deleted blog post and subsequent boards thread started by me.

Also, as another point, Macspower, I believe you are somewhat responsible for adding major fuel to the fire by saying Gary was unusually aggressive when shorthanded. I am sure the HH's are saved on my laptop somewhere as this is the machine which Gary ultimately won his seat on. At a guess you probably say Gary 3bet shove over the eventual runner up when play was 4 handed and decided this was unusually agressive for Gary. He had QQ and AA. Another time he got jiggy with AK I believe.

Finally to the night in question, Gary won the ticket on merit, I recall him laying down A10 4 handed when I would have felted and I recall him calling all in with KQ when I would have folded so I doubt there was any influence on my part. Furthermore, and I would guess that this holds for both John and Chub, id not like to advise anybody at this late stage of such an important tournament as I could not live with the consequences of my misplaced advice were it to cost Gary a ticket.

Of course, choose to ignore all of the above if you wish or if you put my take down to bias.

Mr Minraise

After just reading his blog there I feel very sick for him seeing how excited he was about playing his first WSOP.

People seem under the impression that it could have been anyone who sent the email/s to Everst. I find it very hard to believe that someone who doesnt read/post on boards regularly would even know tha rag2gar even had a blog nevermind read it on a regular basis.

smurph

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Welcome to Ireland / the internet. When people see you have been successful / are successful you lose popularity points quite quickly. In this case, it was very easy to 'take someone down of their perch' so to speak.

Gary is well liked, but seriously - when you play live a lot you will meet some of the most miserable characters around. They don't really like it when some youngfella in his early twenties spins a year's salary after tax in a weekend / wins a trip of a lifetime over to Vegas.

come on lloyd let's keep it realistic here. do you really believe someone did this because of Gary's recent wins, and because he is 20 something???

LuckyLloyd

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LuckyLloyd

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Macspower

BigCityBanker wrote: »

Also, as another point, Macspower, I believe you are somewhat responsible for adding major fuel to the fire by saying Gary was unusually aggressive when shorthanded. I am sure the HH's are saved on my laptop somewhere as this is the machine which Gary ultimately won his seat on. At a guess you probably say Gary 3bet shove over the eventual runner up when play was 4 handed and decided this was unusually agressive for Gary. He had QQ and AA. Another time he got jiggy with AK I believe.

Not my exact words but if you remember this post was made well and truely before gary's blog... I did indeed rail the final table and commented on gary's play..... before I knew there was any controvesy.....

never intended as fuel to fire..... or anything like that..... I agree that the mail would arouse suspiscions if I was to get it in a poker company as was said to me by someone working for another company later on... something similar to your comment he said he would know very quickly once recieving a mail along those lines what it was about...

HoLLLLLaments

cardshark202 wrote: »

Who the hell is going to admit to it if you're all already calling the guy a lowlife scumbox? Lets not forget that whoever did it, was not the cheater(whether deliberate or not), so don't go making fools out of yourselves(probably too late on that note)

exactly. people calling the person(s) who reported him scumbags and low life rats............ gimme a fcking break. HE BROKE THE RULES. he cheated. If it was me or trippie or r4ad in this spot there would be no talk of the person being a low life rat. Hed be the ****ing man. If the other guy won and and someone found a identical situation on his country's poker forum you would all be sending of emails to everest. You wouldnt care if he had spent the last 50 years digging fresh water wells in africa. Hed be the lowest of the low for cheating your boy rag2ar out of his package.


The only thing i see that might be considered wrong about the person who reported him is that they didnt admit to, but even then its clutching at straws. If they see someone cheating in a community they are a part of and they disagree with it and then report it. The community gos on a witch hunt.......... its not exactly the most appealing thing to admit it was you.

Ste05

BigCityBanker wrote: »

a couple of things.

There's alot of things here that appear to be factual statements. Please provide your sources.

Ste05

Macspower

despite anyone's feelings on how it came about etcetc.... reporting it is way out of order in my books.... putting it mildly.....

Slash/ED

Well if you're going to do it because you feel somehow morally compelled to do it why not admit it? I don't know the bloke involved, it's the fact someone sent an e-mail but did it behind their back that's so bad. If the strenght of your convictions was so strong you had to send the e-mail why aren't they strong enough to say it in public because you think the man is a cheat or whatever? This is a general question, not accusing anyone here as I don't know anything of the situation anyway...

mdwexford

Morals my arse, whoever did it is a jealous tosser and deserves a fcuking hiding imo.

HoLLLLLaments

BigCityBanker wrote: »

a couple of things.

Hollaments, you were very wrong to email what you did to Everest. Garys account was only suspended and investigated after your email. If you, or Lloyd/Cardshark or others who seemed to think that your mail would be of no consequence are genuinly that naive then I am truly baffled. If a mail like that arrived into some of the staff in here and found its way to my desk id know within an hour what tournament/player etc the events surrounded. You single handidly brought Everest Pokers attention to this issue and in my eyes are solely responsible. This holds true by the fact that Garys account was only suspended subsequent to your email which was 3 or 4 days after the ticket was won, believe me, very little in the way of routine checks occur with this time lag so it could only be with attention that a specific tournament would be checked. Your behaviour from what I have seen of it marks you down as an exceptionally immature individual. May I suggest that you grow up and have more consideration for the consequences of your actions on others.

lmao, Rag2ar is soley responsible for losing his package. No one else. And you as an employee from a major online poker site were part of this 4 man tag team. Your telling me to grow up? You work for a major poker site and openly helped cheat someone out of a wsop package then try and pass the blame when the person you helped is punished. I think YOU need to grow up. And gimme a break about paddy power. They dont know they're arse from their elbow. You didnt even know that PPPpitboss=sproodles. You probably still dont know. I imagine it would take ppp 6 months before they figured out how to open the email.


You people really need to stop blaming everyone else. It was my fault because i sent that email, it was macspowers fault because he said he player aggresively, it was r4ads fault because he posted the blog text after eoghan was made out to be a fool. blah blah blah. He broke the rules, He was caught. Deal with it

Macspower

BigCityBanker wrote: »

Also, as another point, Macspower, I believe you are somewhat responsible for adding major fuel to the fire by saying Gary was unusually aggressive when shorthanded. I am sure the HH's are saved on my laptop somewhere as this is the machine which Gary ultimately won his seat on. At a guess you probably say Gary 3bet shove over the eventual runner up when play was 4 handed and decided this was unusually agressive for Gary. He had QQ and AA. Another time he got jiggy with AK I believe.

I've read this again.... and really really don't like what you have said here...

please re-read my original comment here.... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055271026&highlight=rag2gar&page=2

QUOTE"well done garry......
was watching it for the last while.....

very unlike your normal style but effective nevertheless"

Said in good faith long before any controversy......

Mr.Plough

people calling the person(s) who reported him scumbags and low life rats............ gimme a fcking break. HE BROKE THE RULES. he cheated. If it was me or trippie or r4ad in this spot there would be no talk of the person being a low life rat. Hed be the ****ing man. If the other guy won and and someone found a identical situation on his country's poker forum you would all be sending of emails to everest. You wouldnt care if he had spent the last 50 years digging fresh water wells in africa. Hed be the lowest of the low for cheating your boy rag2ar out of his package.

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YULETIRED

It's a crying shame the lad may lose the package. I really hope he gets it back. However everyone should examine exactly how they feel about the subject and keep that separate to how they feel about the guy....they should be unrelated .

If you think it's wrong to have help whilst playing you can't have too much sympathy, if you think it's ok to have some advice whilst playing well then you are sympathetic to the guy. However the fact remains it's up to the poker compnay itself to see if he has sinned agianst ther rules. The lesson Gary should take from this is to be very careful what you say in public , and also to remember people who show apparent solidarity can be just as dangerous as the the people who oppose you. So the finger may be wagged at the wrong person whilst a Judas sits among you.....you never know.

The person who sent the mail was perfectly within his/her rights to do so imo and should not be subjected to a 7 iron in the gob or witchhunt.

However if you are the person who sent the mail I really think you should examine your motives and ask yourself what did you hope to achieve and were you pleased with the outcome. There is not one person I've encountered who deserves to have this carrot taken away so cruelly . It's equivalant to a murder punishment for a manslaughter crime. I hope he gets it back and Everest give him a warning about future conduct.

my 2cents.

Ps. I don't think people feel bad when a young guy in his 20s wins a prize like this, what a totally irrelevant thing to say ....unreal the mentality....trying to bring an ageist agenda into a thread like this....bahh

Mr.Plough

yuletired wrote:

The person who sent the mail was perfectly within his/her rights to do so imo and should not be subjected to a 7 iron in the gob or witchhunt.

However if you are the person who sent the mail I really think you should examine your motives and ask yourself what did you hope to achieve and were you pleased with the outcome.

Well put, was trying to say something along those lines but you've put it perfectly.

Rb

Macspower wrote: »

I've read this again.... and really really don't like what you have said here...

please re-read my original comment here.... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055271026&highlight=rag2gar&page=2

QUOTE"well done garry......
was watching it for the last while.....

very unlike your normal style but effective nevertheless"

Said in good faith long before any controversy......

Think it was more of a reference to herehttp://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=55616710&postcount=152

while I understand the circumstances involved in it and how it came about.... garry was however not playing his usual style

eagle eye

Jaysus. I didn't know about this at all, I read the other thread a couple of weeks back and knew he won a package, and I thought the fact that it was on the main page for so long was to do with the popularity of gary rather than all this stuff.
My heart goes out to Gary. Its a terrible thing to happen.
I know of a friend of mine who played on his wife's account on ppp and had a package taken away from him last year.
I won't get involved in this thread other than to say, I'd leave it out guys.
There is no use keeping this going. Some jealous git has got this done but the people close to Gary and Gary himself are the ones who will suffer most from continuing on with this thread.
Its ok to vent and there has been a lot of that, but continuing on with it will only lead to constant bitterness and leave chips on peoples shoulders.

P.S. I hate vermin.

luckylucky

rb_ie wrote: »

I realise that but I never felt it should be taken away from him as a result.

Oh yeah, well let's take it back to the original....

rb_ie 1st rb_ie post from original congrats thread wrote:

This thread is hilarious.
If people are so convinced he did nothing wrong, why not email everest with a link and they can come and validate it?
I agree with Cooker et al. 100% on this.

looks like one or more people took you up on your advise here.

Macspower post from original congrats thread wrote:

thankfully the full confession via original blog entry has been removed..... lets hope there is no apple bad enough to have copied it and cause trouble for the guy.....

misplaced hope

rb_ie 1st rb_ie's response wrote:

That'd make them a good apple overall though, wouldn't it?

rb_ie 3rd rb_ie post from original congrats thread wrote:

He may not have intended to have 3/4 other players advising him how to play his hands initially, but it ended up that way, he took their advise and played the hands how they agreed on (as Macspower said, his play changed drastically). That's active cheating and it's a pity to see the package being given to someone who cheated their way to it and not someone who played by the rules.

well you got what you wanted. btw you weren't the first person to say how bad you felt for him (sincerely or otherwise :rolleyes:) either

Theresalwaysone

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm making the point that you can be the nicest and most upstanding guy / and truly love poker - and yet there are losing ****ing idiot poker players who would love to see you fail / be taken down a peg or two.

I would disagree that they want to knock the young fella's down a peg or two. Seems you have quite a large chip on your shoulder Lloyd.

Ste05

Just a word of warning, please don't take BCB's post to be the Gospel truth just yet. Once he returns and provides sources and back-up for his allegations then what he says can be taken literally. How could he possibly know Everest only suspended rag2gar's account after they received Hollaments e-mail. Firstly he doesn't work for Everest AFAIK, and secondly there is only a tiny chance the Everest security department would give out that kind of information to even rag2gar.

I'm very sceptical of his post at this stage, until he provides his sources or back-up for his accusations.

Ste05

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

HoLLLLLaments wrote: »

It was my fault because i sent that email, it was macspowers fault because he said he player aggresively, it was r4ads fault because he posted the blog text after eoghan was made out to be a fool. blah blah blah. He broke the rules, He was caught. Deal with it

nothing at all to do with macspower, he made a casual comment. It's like saying something like "you really raised your game". Just a bit of congratulatory banter.

The issue is with you: why on earth would you try to do someone out of a $13,000 dream package? It does seem like an unbelievably negative thing to do, for no benefit other than proving a point like something a kid in a playground would do.

smurph

YULETIRED wrote: »

It's a crying shame the lad may lose the package. I really hope he gets it back. However everyone should examine exactly how they feel about the subject and keep that separate to how they feel about the guy....they should be unrelated .

totally agree with this, I feel so very sorry for Gary because I think he is a genuine guy, who has a great future as a poker player/blogger etc., but if I was playing for a ticket heads up, I wouldn't like the notion of playing against a "tag team" so to speak.

I think Gary should put this behind him, and take the lessons learn't albiet it "Expensive" ones on the chin and move forward.

Macspower

If anyone wants to quote me again please do so in context..... thanks....

coillcam

Mods feel free to delete this snippet as you see fit, the full text can indeed be found through google through the cache link if you search for the appropriate terms.

If you read it you can actually feel the adrenaline pumping through the text in that blog entry. I know if I was in a similar scenario it probably would panned out the same way, each step of the way.

FWIW I'm in the begrudgery/archetypical Irish jealousy camp here along with El S. I feel sorry for the person(s) that needed to linch rag2gar, what would possess you to do it?

Serious beat there rag2gar, keep blogging, keep playing and by all means keep posting back here on boards when your ready to.

RichieLawlor

Roundtower2 wrote: »

The issue is with you: why on earth would you try to do someone out of a $13,000 dream package? It does seem like an unbelievably negative thing to do, for no benefit other than proving a point like something a kid in a playground would do.

i would like to congratulate hollaments on a point well made then!!! WP