Liddel out of UFC 85

inmate2

Former light heavyweight champion, Chuck Liddell, has been forced to withdraw from his upcoming main event fight against Rashad Evans at UFC 85 in London, England, on June 7 because of an injury sustained during training, according to MMARated.com.

Here’s a snip:

“No word on the extent of the injury and how long he will be out but plans are for both men to face each other later in the summer.”

“Iceman” was originally scheduled to duke it out with Mauricio “Shogun” Rua at the O2 Arena; however, an injury to the Brazilian sidelined him and “Sugar” stepped in.

More on this breaking news in a bit.

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Maybe Freeman should pull out of the Cahoon fight to face Frank Mir again lol.

Nog Vs Mir?

Silva Vs ... umm ...

Yeah, UFC are ****ed.
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There are no martyrs if you kill enough of them. :eek:

Fozzy

Yeah, there's some posts about it in the UFC/MMA thread. They've put Leben on the card, probably against Bisping. Anderson Silva turned down fighting at it. They also put James Irvin with Rashad now I think. I don't know if they'll bother getting another big name now, there isn't really anyone they can get

steve927

Fozzy wrote: »

Yeah, there's some posts about it in the UFC/MMA thread. They've put Leben on the card, probably against Bisping. Anderson Silva turned down fighting at it. They also put James Irvin with Rashad now I think. I don't know if they'll bother getting another big name now, there isn't really anyone they can get

Ah ****e, only ordered my tickets yesterday!

THawk

Fozzy wrote: »

Yeah, there's some posts about it in the UFC/MMA thread. They've put Leben on the card, probably against Bisping. Anderson Silva turned down fighting at it. They also put James Irvin with Rashad now I think. I don't know if they'll bother getting another big name now, there isn't really anyone they can get

Leben Vs Bisping??

Bisping gets a shot at another trash talker! I love Lebens comments before his fight with Anderson Silva!! Talk about having to eat your words!

stevie78

how about bisping v silva now that would be a decient fight for silva , dont think i could watch another fight with franklin . not tryin to diss the guy but his fighting style does not suit silva but bisping he would give silva a fight . just look at his fight the other night those knees against capt misserable if he could catch silva like that we might see just how good he really is?

and while im on the subject if not him why not bring in paramuck , look him up on u tube i reckon he would destroy silva in 1 round, he is a mui thai fighter so probably best suited to match andersons style but just look at any of paramucks fights , shin kicks that put his opponents through the ropes and his hands are unbelievably fast too.

GoneShootin

Pity about Liddel, but is Aldi still in it?


couldn't resist....

stevie78

stevie78 wrote: »

how about bisping v silva now that would be a decient fight for silva , dont think i could watch another fight with franklin . not tryin to diss the guy but his fighting style does not suit silva but bisping he would give silva a fight . just look at his fight the other night those knees against capt misserable if he could catch silva like that we might see just how good he really is?

and while im on the subject if not him why not bring in paramuck , look him up on u tube i reckon he would destroy silva in 1 round, he is a mui thai fighter so probably best suited to match andersons style but just look at any of paramucks fights , shin kicks that put his opponents through the ropes and his hands are unbelievably fast too.

I dont think Bisping is up to Silvas level just yet. Give him a few more fights and let him move in level at a gradual pace. He wont be far off a shot with a few more wins like that though. Silva turned down fighting at it so thats off anyway.

geronimo1

GoneShootin wrote: »

Pity about Liddel, but is Aldi still in it?


couldn't resist....

well said about time someone else got to headline a main event other than chuck the long armed nickelback lover

Dragan

Call me sad but i would love to see Leben fight Bisping.

The Count impressed the hell out of me at 185, he was faster, light on his feet, showed great head movement and good combo's and that finish was just fantasic.

I like to see a fighter unload with some agression and that is exactly what he did.

Leben has show a massive amount of improvement for me, once again just more fluid and light on his feet than before. Both he and Bisping can give and take punishment and both normally provide exciting fights.

Fozzy

geronimo1 wrote: »

well said about time someone else got to headline a main event other than chuck the long armed nickelback lover

He wouldn't be there if he didn't make them so much money!

MichaelDevlin

Saw a pic of liddells injury the last day one of the worst hamstring injuries i ever seen his leg is dark red/purple all up the inside looked really bad. I try find the pic again ill post a link

Fozzy

MichaelDevlin wrote: »

Saw a pic of liddells injury the last day one of the worst hamstring injuries i ever seen his leg is dark red/purple all up the inside looked really bad. I try find the pic again ill post a link

He said it's not that bad, it's torn in the middle and not at the end I think he said. Should be ready to fight in August or September. The pic was on UFC.com: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=11489

The UFC have told Setanta that they're working on a fight that would match Chuck's involvement, and I'm not sure if Bisping vs Leben is that fight. It looks like if they do get another match then it's going to be a big one

Fozzy

Fozzy wrote: »

The UFC have told Setanta that they're working on a fight that would match Chuck's involvement, and I'm not sure if Bisping vs Leben is that fight. It looks like if they do get another match then it's going to be a big one

Source or work!! :pac::pac::pac::pac:


Hope you're right...Wand or Anderson Silva (who ruled himself out apparently) would be great.

Fozzy

Deleted User wrote: »

Source or work!! :pac::pac::pac::pac:


Hope you're right...Wand or Anderson Silva (who ruled himself out apparently) would be great.

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Sport/News/Other-sports/2008/04/22/UFC-Liddell-out-of-UFC-85-due-to-hamstring-blow/?facets/sport-space/great-britain-locale/ufc/

“UFC 85” will now feature a whole new headline bout at the June 7 event, with White promising a contest to match the anticipation that Chuck Liddell would have brought.

Maybe they do mean Bisping vs Leben, but in that case they're lying! Plus they've done poor business in Europe so far, I don't think they want to risk putting on a sub-par event

stevie78

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont think Bisping is up to Silvas level just yet. Give him a few more fights and let him move in level at a gradual pace. He wont be far off a shot with a few more wins like that though. Silva turned down fighting at it so thats off anyway.

well if not bisping who should fight silva next poor ould rich franklin must be ****tin it every time the phone rings in case dana white rings to tell him he has to fight silva again. dont get me wrong its not that i dislike franklin i just think silva is on another level when it comes to fighting and it would just be another wasted chance to see what happens when silva gets to round 3 is he going to gas or is he really that good?

bisping does look the most likely to give silva a good fight , ok so he only came down to this weight in the last ufc but what a way to do it . he totally dominated his opponent . not too many fighters put up that sort of a display but bisping has being doing that for a while now and more to the point he has being doing it at a heavier weight than he should be fighting at .

other than him the only fighter in the ufc right now who would beat silva is pierre now thats a fight i would sell my wife to go see.

stevie78

matt hamell and bisping that should be the headline fight bec last time they fought in london hamell got robbed of the fight so maybe thats the one dana should be tryin to arrange. was there for the last one and the whole croud went mental when bisping was declaired the winner . a draw maybe? but hamell won we all know that
so dana a rematch should be the one to go for

Fozzy

Hamill's a different weight class than Bisping

inmate2

I have to say its a other bad card for the ufc and there uk shows its happening a little to much for me

stevie78

Fozzy wrote: »

Hamill's a different weight class than Bisping

well he was the same weight last time the fought so bisping has to eat a few burgers or hamell has to stop eating take aways either way they should fight again to really decide who should be the victor . should i remind you about coutoure he fought in both light heavy / heavyweight in the same year so its possible and if the last fight is anything to go by it should be a great fight

Fozzy

stevie78 wrote: »

well he was the same weight last time the fought so bisping has to eat a few burgers or hamell has to stop eating take aways either way they should fight again to really decide who should be the victor . should i remind you about coutoure he fought in both light heavy / heavyweight in the same year so its possible and if the last fight is anything to go by it should be a great fight

There's just too many reasons for it not to happen I think. They've both moved on and there's no point in sidetracking them from what they're working at now

THawk

[/quote]bisping does look the most likely to give silva a good fight , ok so he only came down to this weight in the last ufc but what a way to do it . he totally dominated his opponent .

other than him the only fighter in the ufc right now who would beat silva is pierre now thats a fight i would sell my wife to go see.[/quote]


i was really impressed with bisping alright, he looked a lot sharper and quicker.i dont think one impressive fight against a pretty low grade middleweight warrents a title shot yet though. id like to see dan henderson fight a top middleweight soon and the winner to get a shot at silva (again).

Its hard to see anyone beat a.silva from his performances in the UFC so far. ONe of his loses in pride is the most amazing submission move iv ever seen by the way!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=267i7rKeECA&feature=related

Id like to see Lyoto Machida drop to middleweight for a title fight, he's a top class counter striker and he also destroyed rich franklin before. cant wait to see how he does against tito in may

THawk

inmate2 wrote: »

I have to say its a other bad card for the ufc and there uk shows its happening a little to much for me

in fairness they were bringing one of the most popular UFC champions ever to fight in london until an unfortunate injury. its a bad card now without a main event but that goes for nearly every fight card! really looking forward to ufc 84 though thats 3 top class fights on the card

stevie78

Its hard to see anyone beat a.silva from his performances in the UFC so far. ONe of his loses in pride is the most amazing submission move iv ever seen by the way!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=267i7rKeECA&feature=related

one of the luckiest submission moves anyone has ever seen , if you look at the fight again he was gettin destroyed by silva and decided to try a flying sissors ankle lock . yeah he got it but silva was new to mma at the time it was one of his first fights , since then he has evolved into a far superior fighter so the chances of that happening again ?
not very likely if they fought again it would probably end in the first round with silva knocking him out. by the way!!!!

dunkamania

RYo Chonan is a welterweight though.


Bisping Leben is a fight I am actually interested in, both have shown huge improvement in their recent fights.

cletus

stevie78 wrote: »

one of the luckiest submission moves anyone has ever seen , if you look at the fight again he was gettin destroyed by silva and decided to try a flying sissors ankle lock

Why was it lucky? was he trying to land it on somebody else and just happened to catch Silva instead.

Not trying to be facetious (well, not much), but I don't believe in the idea of lucky in a fight. Yes he was being beaten badly in the stand up game, but he made the conscious decision to go for a submission, that paid off.

I mean, its not like he tripped and fell down and on the way just happened to land in the perfect position to heel hook Silva

Charlie3dan

Well no doubt he had been losing the fight till then but man what a sweet move, not so much lucky but utter genius!
Sometimes the unorthodox technique is the perfect choice, unfortunately we can't rely on these all the time.......but hell, I'm trying that in training tonight! (I'll probably end up getting a heel kick in the nads, but nothing ventured.....)

Subbway

stevie78 wrote: »

yeah he got it but silva was new to mma at the time it was one of his first fights ,

Don't want to nitpick but Silva was allready veteran in that fight. It was his 15th mma fight. Not counting fights he might have had not listed in fightfinder. He actually had had more fights before that fight than since then.

dunkamania

I believe it was a heel ohook, and Silva apparently had a knee injury.

Not trying to take away from the victory, it was an incredible move to pull off. Obviously something he had practised, defnitely a low percentage move.

Colm_OReilly

Agree with Dunkamania there, it looks as if Silva tapped before the hook when on. Now maybe he knew he was gone and didn't want to get sidelined for months, or maybe he had a pre-existing injury - but it was frickin' sweet!

Dragan

At the end of the day Chonan must have known there was nothing he could do standing, so he risked it all and it paid off for him!! Fair play, you could tell by the look on his face after that even he has a hard time believing it had worked!!

In other news, Silva strikes me as a genuinely funny guy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DghW3qL80Ig&feature=related

Fozzy

There was a graphic up on UFC.com earlier today of Vera vs Gonzaga. And Mir vs McCully has been taken off the card for UFC 86 on the site. Might mean nothing, but Mir vs Werdum or Mir vs Nogueira might be added to 85. Probably not Mir vs Werdum, that's not going to do much for the show

Charlie3dan

Why, is there a problem with the Werdum vs Vera fight now?

Fozzy

Charlie3dan wrote: »

Why, is there a problem with the Werdum vs Vera fight now?

I don't think so. My guess would be that the Mir vs McCully fight being taken off the site means more than the Vera vs Gonzaga picture being put on

Could mean Werdum vs Nogueira too...

stevie78

Not trying to be facetious (well, not much), but I don't believe in the idea of lucky in a fight. Yes he was being beaten badly in the stand up game, but he made the conscious decision to go for a submission, that paid off


you dont believe in lucky in a fight ok so frank mir was lucky that brock lesner was stupid enough to leave his leg where mir could grab it . if that had not happened mir was going to get pounded out .
rampage was lucky to catch liddell or he might have been the one knocked out.
and dont even get me started on that dwarf sierra against st pierre in the first fight.
as good as all fighters are there has to be some amount of luck involved in any fight whether its someone dropping there hands to turning the wrong way and gettin submitted. its a fact of life sometimes when you get two great fighters together luck is the deciding factor in who wins and who gets knocked the f**k out
therefore its a bit silly to say you dont believe in luck in a fight what was it all planned in the dressing room if so then its not a fight is it?

Fozzy

The only cases where I believe that luck is a factor in a fight is with something like that Mark Kerr fight in PRIDE where he knocked himself out doing a slam or when Vitor Belfort beat Couture by grazing his glove off Randy's face. That's something unintentional which leads to a good thing for a fighter

Mir wasn't "lucky" to get that kneebar, he simply capitalised on a mistake made by his opponent. That's often how fights are won. Is every fighter who capitalises on a mistake lucky? Rampage and Serra did exactly what they intended to do in the fights mentioned, no luck involved, just carrying out what they'd practised in training a thousand times over

cletus

Fozzy wrote: »

The only cases where I believe that luck is a factor in a fight is with something like that Mark Kerr fight in PRIDE where he knocked himself out doing a slam or when Vitor Belfort beat Couture by grazing his glove off Randy's face. That's something unintentional which leads to a good thing for a fighter

Mir wasn't "lucky" to get that kneebar, he simply capitalised on a mistake made by his opponent. That's often how fights are won. Is every fighter who capitalises on a mistake lucky? Rampage and Serra did exactly what they intended to do in the fights mentioned, no luck involved, just carrying out what they'd practised in training a thousand times over

This is exactly my opinion as well. this is what these guys are trained to do. Its what they intend to do. The only way that a punch can be lucky is if the person throwing the punch is not trying to hit their opponent, but hits them anyway, and we all know how likely that is.

Dragan

stevie78 wrote: »

as good as all fighters are there has to be some amount of luck involved in any fight whether its someone dropping there hands to turning the wrong way and gettin submitted.

Out of interest have you trained in a standup or a grappling art? I'm not asking to knock your opinion i am just seriously wondering what you are basing this on.

You train for a fight to act and react a certain way, having you opponent dropping his hands and throwing a KO punch is capitilising on a situation, it's not lucky for your that they dropped his hands.

If you choose to take a certain action when on the ground that leads to you being submitted it is because you messed up, or you didn't know....not because your opponent is lucky.

You cannot apply the word "luck" to a situation that revolves around independant choices made by two different people. It makes no sense.

Walking down the street and finding a fiver is lucky.

Judomad

Dragan wrote: »

Walking down the street and finding a fiver is lucky.

a fiver!!!!!!!!!! thats not lucky, if you were lucky itd be a 50 :D

Dragan

Judomad wrote: »

a fiver!!!!!!!!!! thats not lucky, if you were lucky itd be a 50 :D

Aim low and always be happy!!! lol

Cept with wimmins!:D

Colm_OReilly

That was my fiver!!!!

Mino at London - that I'd be interested in seeing. Me and Mino go way back.

t-ha

I believe you can get lucky in a fight. Yes obviously you're doing a move that you've trained over and over, but basically if you beat a guy that would whip your butt 9 times out of ten then you got lucky. My very first sub-wrestling comp I guillotined a guy from my own gym who was more experienced than me and used to own me in the gym. I did the guillotine on purpose but I pretty much just got lucky. I get what people are saying though. Also, yeah it's got to be 20 quid or I'm not picking it up. Celtic tiger FTW!

Judomad

Dragan wrote: »

Aim low and always be happy!!! lol

Cept with wimmins!:D

nawww mate, if i found a fiver id feel that scabby picking it up id probably walk by it in disgust, like if someone is going to lose something at least let it be a decent amount like what happens to me :D:D

Fozzy

Matt Hughes vs Thiago Alves is the main event for UFC 85. Should be very interesting

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6160&zoneid=2

stevie78

Dragan wrote: »

Out of interest have you trained in a standup or a grappling art? I'm not asking to knock your opinion i am just seriously wondering what you are basing this on.

You train for a fight to act and react a certain way, having you opponent dropping his hands and throwing a KO punch is capitilising on a situation, it's not lucky for your that they dropped his hands.

If you choose to take a certain action when on the ground that leads to you being submitted it is because you messed up, or you didn't know....not because your opponent is lucky.

You cannot apply the word "luck" to a situation that revolves around independant choices made by two different people. It makes no sense.

Walking down the street and finding a fiver is lucky.

YES TO ANS YOUR QUESTION I HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN STANDUP NO REAL INTREST IN GRAPPLING TO BE HONEST DONE A BIT JUST NOT FOR ME. NOW TO ANS YOU ONE OF THE GUYS I TRAIN WITH IS ABOUT 6FT AND NEARLY 20 STONE WHEN SPARRING HIM ITS VERY RARE THAT I CAN GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO EVEN BRUSH AGAINST HIM LET ALONE HIT THE GIT. NOW WE TRAIN THREE TO FOUR TIMES A WEEK FOR ABOUT 3 HOURS A DAY AND I KEEP PRACTISING EVERY MOVE IN THE BOOK BUT NO MATTER HOW MUCH I TRY I CAN NEVER HIT HIM. HOWEVER THE FEW TIMES I HAVE GOT HIM IVE CONSIDERED MYSELF LUCKY TO HAVE DONE IT

THAT IS MY POINT IM NOT SAYING THESE FIGHTERS DONT MAKE THE DECISION TO DO A MOVE TO FINNISH THE FIGHT IM JUST SAYING THAT WHEN SOMEONE WHO IS GETTIN BEATEN UP IN A FIGHT AND LOOSING BADLY DOES IT AND COMES OUT THE WINNER THERE IS SOMETHING LUCKY ABOUT THAT

Mark Hamill

Dragan wrote: »

You cannot apply the word "luck" to a situation that revolves around independant choices made by two different people. It makes no sense.

I choose to do the lotto, but if I won it, would it not be from luck? Just because you intend to do something and it happens to work doesn't stop it being luck, it depends on whether you can in all honesty expect it to happen.
The difference between luck and skill in a fight is whether or not you think the "lucky" person could pull it off 9 times out of 10. If he could, then its skill, if its only a something he'd catch 1 or 2 times out of 10, then its luck (This is no real commiseration to someone who gets knocked-out by a lucky punch though)

stevie78

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I choose to do the lotto, but if I won it, would it not be from luck? Just because you intend to do something and it happens to work doesn't stop it being luck, it depends on whether you can in all honesty expect it to happen.
The difference between luck and skill in a fight is whether or not you think the "lucky" person could pull it off 9 times out of 10. If he could, then its skill, if its only a something he'd catch 1 or 2 times out of 10, then its luck (This is no real commiseration to someone who gets knocked-out by a lucky punch though)

COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF

THawk

[quote one of the luckiest submission moves anyone has ever seen , if you look at the fight again he was gettin destroyed by silva and decided to try a flying sissors ankle lock . yeah he got it but silva was new to mma at the time it was one of his first fights

if they fought again it would probably end in the first round with silva knocking him out. by the way!!!![/quote]

That ridiculous! What was he supposed to do, give up because he was getting destroyed?? He tried something high risk and it paid off because the execution was perfect!

dunkamania

Leben got arrested for a DUI, bail was refused because he already under probation. This is really irritating cos I was really looking forward to the Bisping match:mad:

Dragan

dunkamania wrote: »

Leben got arrested for a DUI, bail was refused because he already under probation. This is really irritating cos I was really looking forward to the Bisping match:mad:

What a ****ing idiot.

Nothingcompares

ah for flip sake.

Fozzy

There's a post here by T Jay Thompson, the promoter of ICON Sport and Leben's manager, who says that Leben turned himself in voluntarily because he's moving to Hawaii and he wasn't able to get the probation charges transferred to that state: http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum.posts&thread=1271257&forum=1&page=1&pc=12

He's basically saying that it's no big deal because it's just a way to ensure that he's got no charges hanging over him that would prevent him from travelling to London. As far as I can tell the post is legitimate, but I guess we'll see soon enough