Do you tip hairdressers / beauticians.........

supermouse

Well Chicas,

Meself and the girls were having an auld chat over a few pints Saturday night ((classy birds!!)) and the subject of tipping came up...

Basically i tip them about a €5 a go for a hairdresser and depending what i got done in the beauticians between €3- €5. A few of the girls agreed with me but 3 of the other girls dont! We all work in the service industry between travel agents and check in staff and bank assistants etc but their opinion was they dont get tipped in their career why are hairdressers and beauticians different....

What do you reckon.....

watna

Hairdressers, rarely. I'm just not in the habit of it and I don't get my hair cut very often.

Beautician - I usually only go to the beautician for Brazilian waxes. I always tip her €5, seeming as it's a nastier job and they've always been very good about putting me at ease.

Clare Bear

No never, haven't even thought about it really, presumed I was giving them enough seeing as both aren't exactly cheap....

Seraphina

nope, you pay them enough as it is!!!

i agree with your friends, i've worked in the service industry in various places and never gotten tipped, dont see why i should tip them.

Crazy Catlady

I tip new my hairdresser cos she's the only one in about 10 years who doesn't make me cry with god awful hairdo's. I always come out happy.
I don't tip the beautician becasue in fairness i think its very expensive for a very quick if admitidly unpleasant job :pac:

BeatNikDub

I tip hairdresssers. If its one I have never been to before then just a few euro but since I moved back to Dublin I have been to Halo a couple of times and I shall be tipping around 8 or 10. The service is just second to none. Their prices are very reasonable and they spend so much time with you. Give you free colour top ups and you get free cuts after some regular sessions.
Lovely girls and so professional.
And hairdressers arent paid terribly well, plus they work hard!

She Devil

My hair costs enough, i couldnt actually afford to tip on the price i am charged in the hairdressers i go to.
And the lady that owns it always does my hair so no way ... !!!
They have a tip jar at the reception counter and all, but no way would i contribute, the price is way too steep!

delo18

Hello everyone!
I've worked in the service industry myself so I know how important tips can be, that said I think tips should be given based on service delivered. Therefore I tip only if I'm happy with my hair, I got lots of cups of tea and if there's plenty of new, decent magazines to read!

kittensoft1984

i never tip hair dressers ever. i dont know why.....

come to think of it i dont tip anyone....

Pigletlover

I usually tip hairdressers €5, but I went to a different hairdressers recently and I tipped her €10. I kinda regretted it afterwards, like it wasn't as if she fussed over me or anything and it wasn't cheap!

I hardly ever go to the beauticians, but the last time I went, about a year ago, I gave the beautician €5. I wondering afterwards if I should have given her more becuase she had given me a manicure and a pedicure, but then I just figured she's getting paid anyway, anything I give her is a bonus!

Faerie

I would never tip my hairdresser! I pay 180E to get my hair done about once every two months - it's overpriced enough without tipping as well. It's not like they're underpaid... It's different in America where people are actually earning less than the normal minimum wage because of the potential for tips.
If you're going to tip hairdressers/beauticians why not all service/retail workers?

Quality

Yes I am a good tipper

I pay hairdressers and beautician 10%. My hair cant cost between €30-€170. I go to the hairdresser for blow dry every fortnight or so and colour every 8 weeks.

I dont tip taxi drivers though.. Miserable ****es they are.

John Mason

my hairdresser charges me €100 just for a cut, he doesnt get a tip from me

They are getting paid for doing their job, no one tips me for going in to work every day and doing my job

Iago

irishbird wrote: »

my hairdresser charges me €100 just for a cut, he doesnt get a tip from me

They are getting paid for doing their job, no one tips me for going in to work every day and doing my job

The salon charges you €100 for getting your hair cut. First year apprentice hairdressers start on minimum wage, this increases by between 50c and €1 per year until they qualify. Even with a number of years experience and full qualifications they would be lucky to clear €40k a year working in a salon for someone else.

The reason we tip is because we can afford the service and have received a good service, it's an acknowledgement of our satisfaction with the service and it costs us very little in real terms.

I'll never understand people that don't tip for good service in the same way I'll never understand people who begrudge donating to charity or sponsoring someone who is doing a charitable activity.

I can afford to spend €100 on a meal or getting my hair done, but I can't be bothered tipping €5 to someone who's only getting paid slightly more than I'm spending on dinner or my hair a week!

Babette08

Surprised at the lack of tipping, but I suppose prices have increased so much over the last couple of years. I tip my hairdresser €5 to €10 depending on the result, this could be on top of €170 for the colour/cut so it is madness if you think about it too long

Had a sat job in a hairdressers during my leaving cert so prob stems from that

Rogueish

I tip the beauticians about €5 (between 10 and 20 %). I appreciate the service.

I don't tend to tip my hairdresser all the because we tend to trade services she gets a discount when she avails of my services.

I work in a service industry too and rarely do I get a tip but I do get given the odd bottle of wine as a thank you.

Oryx

I only tip my hairdresser at christmas.

I pay enough other than that I reckon. My hair doesnt exactly require a lot of cutting, and she gets a junior to do the colour.

supermouse

Mad to see the differences! By the sounds of it most people do tip... each to their own though!!
I do agree with doing it when you feel its deserved though!!

fletch

I tip them if they don't speak to me. If they do, they get nothing.

all the stars

hmmm...

i did hairdressing for 7 years.
Tip if you are happy with the service.

I will tell you once i had a horraible horrible customer who tried to bug me, questioned me about things she really didnt want/need to know - down to what rubbish products from dunnes would i reccommend ( i dont recommend any and only use salon stuff even now) just think of an irrelevant question, she asked it.
And was completely difficult, even wouldn't put her head down to cut the lenght (bottom line)... just awkward

I was never so glad to see someone leave - and after all that she left like €10 tip... i actually put it in the charity box as i felt i wanted nothing from her, as she was so unpleasant.
So only tip if you are happy with the service given to you.
Dont feel obligated -

personally, i always give a tip, if im happy in a restaurant i do - happy with my hair & beauty treatment, i tip.. Its just a small token of apreciation.
If you dont want to tip, bring in a pack of bikkies - i've often been glad of it on a busy day!:)

ChewChew

I too only tip at christmas. At the end of the day ladies, do you tip the plumber that comes in to fix your washing machine, the electrician who does your lights, the delivery driver who delivers your new bed, the girl sitting at the till who puts your shopping through, the police officer who stamps your passport renewal form, your priest who says mass, the bin man that takes away your rubbish, your postman who delivers your post. . .. now really really ladies. . . they ALL provide you a service. do you tip them everytime??? bet you dont!!!

Iago

the more money people get the tighter they become. For anybody that begrudges someone in the service industry a couple of euro tip when they provide a good service I feel very sorry for you.

When I receive good service I always tip in restaurants, pubs, barbers, taxis etc. I couldn't imagine being any other way, but then the greed in the world isn't a surprising thing. People are so $crewed up when it comes to what's important or not and where their money should be spent, that a lack of tipping barely even registers as an indication of dropping values.

Faerie

Iago wrote: »

the more money people get the tighter they become. For anybody that begrudges someone in the service industry a couple of euro tip when they provide a good service I feel very sorry for you.

When I receive good service I always tip in restaurants, pubs, barbers, taxis etc. I couldn't imagine being any other way, but then the greed in the world isn't a surprising thing. People are so $crewed up when it comes to what's important or not and where their money should be spent, that a lack of tipping barely even registers as an indication of dropping values.

Wow that's harsh...fair enough if you have the money and inclination to be so generous. However, I really think you're going over the top. Do you tip people in every shop you go into? We live in IRELAND; everyone (by law) gets minimum wage. It's different (as I said before) if you live in a country where the minimum wage is ridiculously low in 'tipping zones'.
We live in an overpriced, rip-off place and a lot of people can't afford to tip. Someone above mentioned how stylists start on minimum wage and then work up....isn't that the same in a lot of jobs?? I'm a student and I work in a part-time retail job but no-one gives me a tip if I do a good job. I often go out of my way for customers and they compliment me on it, but noone ever tips because it's not the 'done thing'. I wouldn't expect it either because I'm being paid to do my job. Why is it not the done thing? Maybe it's just a coincidence that in America retail staff get a higher wage than say bar staff......
It's just another example of the Americanisation of Ireland!
And comparing it to charity is silly....I don't think hairdressers would appreciate being labelled as charity cases.

Iago

Faerie wrote: »

We live in IRELAND; everyone (by law) gets minimum wage.

No they don't, but that's a different argument.

Faerie wrote: »

It's different (as I said before) if you live in a country where the minimum wage is ridiculously low in 'tipping zones'.

Even if everyone did get the minimum wage, I still think €7.65 is ridiculously low. Say you do a 40 hour week, you get paid €306 a week. How much "living money" do you think you have after you pay PRSI, tax, bills, rent/mortgage, food costs, transport etc? Is it enough to give you a good quality of life?

Faerie wrote: »

We live in an overpriced, rip-off place and a lot of people can't afford to tip.

Sorry I'm not buying that, are you suggesting that you can afford to spend €70 on dinner but not leave an extra €5 as a tip? Or that as mentioned numerous times above that you can spend over €100 on your hair and not leave a €5 tip?

If that's truly the case then it just proves my point that people are screwed up when it comes to prioritising where they spend their money.

Faerie wrote: »

Someone above mentioned how stylists start on minimum wage and then work up....isn't that the same in a lot of jobs??

They start on less than minimum wage, they start on "apprentice wage" for example there was a thread in work/jobs forum where an apprentice mechanic was being paid €5 an hour for the first year. That's significantly lower than minimum wage, but allowable as they are earning a trade.

Faerie wrote: »

I'm a student and I work in a part-time retail job but no-one gives me a tip if I do a good job. I often go out of my way for customers and they compliment me on it, but noone ever tips because it's not the 'done thing'. I wouldn't expect it either because I'm being paid to do my job.

I get paid to do my job, and I get paid well. Then at the end of the year if my boss feels I've done a good job I get a bonus, my tip if you will.

Faerie wrote: »

Why is it not the done thing? Maybe it's just a coincidence that in America retail staff get a higher wage than say bar staff......
It's just another example of the Americanisation of Ireland!

No it's an example of all that's wrong with this country. 20 years ago when most people had very little there was a sense of community and fairness. generally speaking people went out of their way for each other, and overall people where happy in themselves and their lives.

Now if someone get's an 8% pay rise they consider themselves hard done by, charities are ignored or criticised and everything is about having the biggest diamond, flashest car, bets decorated house or whatever. The country has gone mad, and the majority of the population is going along for the ride.

Faerie wrote: »

And comparing it to charity is silly....I don't think hairdressers would appreciate being labelled as charity cases.

It's not silly, it's all part of the same epidemic. I've seen people refuse to donate €2 to a charity draw and in almost the same breath go and spend €5 on a sandwich that they half eat before throwing it out. It's all about relativity, that €2 means little or nothing to you as an individual, but if everybody gave that €2 it would make a significant difference to the lives of others.

In the same vein, tipping an extra couple of € on your meal or hair appointment won't break the bank, but it might mean that the reciepient can afford to treat themselves that week as well, I don't see why that's a bad thing. The fact is that we are all so concerned with our own lives that we rarely stop to check if others are getting on as we go.

Anyway everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I'm not sure the two sides will ever meet.

Clink

I always tip my hairdresser, have been going to the same place for years and that way I know that I'll be treated well when I'm there. Also I always feel so sorry for the poor person who has to look after me, I've very long, very thick wavy highlighted hair which usually takes 5hours to highlight and blowdry. For that level of service the €90 is nothing so I'd usually throw in an extra €10. It's well worth it as they always throw in a free treatment, see Karma! You always get back what you put out there!

ChewChew

Where do you draw the line in 'tipping'?

how do you know that that someone has not already handed out €2 ten times already and just doesnt have it, but needs the money for food?? just because someone doesnt give €2 when you think they should, does not mean they have not already done so!!

Why give a tip to your hairdresser or beautician and not to your postman everyday when he delivers your post??

I provide a service, and I'll tell you one thing. . I've never been given a tip (considering the industry I am part of) but the thank you's I receive are fantastic, and greatly appreciated.

Do you tip your doctor for diagnosing you with Cancer or with haemorrhoids??? doubt it!!

So where do you draw the line???

I would rather give (and yes I do) give my money to charities that need the money then give it to someone who chooses to get into an industry and provide a service, and also get paid for it.

I am in an industry that is HUGE in this country, and it will never go away. I am in my position because it is where I WANT TO BE. I do this job because I WANT TO. I get paid for doing it. I dont want nor expect any more than that. I'm not doing my job to be rewarded with money everytime I do my job 'right'

Clink

Hey ChewChew, would you tip in a restaurant so?

lorweld

I'll tip hairdresers, beauticians, taxi drivers delivery people etc if I feel they have done a good job! I'll tip in a restauraunt if there is no service charge already added on to the bill!

ChewChew

for some reason I always do if there is no service charge. But its the only place I would tip every time I go.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not a scrooge. I always tip my hairdresser & beautician at christmas, and I put something in an envelope for them and but them a small gift too, like a bottle of wine and some choccies each. I even give my postman & binman an envelope at christmas too!!!

mikemac

ChewChew wrote: »

Why give a tip to your hairdresser or beautician and not to your postman everyday when he delivers your post??

This thread is a minefield so I've only one point to make.

In rural Ireland, it's the done thing that your postman gets a card and €20 for Christmas. Always been that way and will be for many years. Must add up to a fair sum, enough for a holiday anyway
So postmen are not being forgotten!

It doesn't happen in towns though as different postman swop around the areas.

Lil' Smiler

I haven't tipped in the hair dressers because I just feel hat the cost of getting my cut and colour done is enough, although I don't know how much they get paid.

Speaking as a Holistic Therapist (who has not worked in a salon), I would always tip in a salon. I think that therapists are very much underpaid for the work and effort put into treatments/waxing/ nails. they have a skill which i don't think is appreciated enough. Any one can give a massage but massage therapists learn particular techniques that any random person won't know.

I know this can be argued with what I said about hair dressers but it's just how i feel, however if i was to know how much hairdressers get paid and it is minimum wage like most girls working in a salon i would definitely tip.

ChewChew

micmclo wrote: »

This thread is a minefield so I've only one point to make.

In rural Ireland, it's the done thing that your postman gets a card and €20 for Christmas. Always been that way and will be for many years. Must add up to a fair sum, enough for a holiday anyway
So postmen are not being forgotten!

It doesn't happen in towns though as different postman swop around the areas.

I mean everyday would someone tip their postman. I give my postman and also my binman an envelope every christmas.

Jules

I have been getting my hair cut in the same place for 15 years and i always tip and i give the trainee who is washing my hair about 2.50 ish and then the girl who cuts and styles it 5.00. And as for my beautician.. she is great and she always gets a tip... I always come out smiling from them both and if they do a good job they get a tip!

John Mason

Iago wrote: »

The salon charges you €100 for getting your hair cut. First year apprentice hairdressers start on minimum wage, this increases by between 50c and €1 per year until they qualify. Even with a number of years experience and full qualifications they would be lucky to clear €40k a year working in a salon for someone else.

The reason we tip is because we can afford the service and have received a good service, it's an acknowledgement of our satisfaction with the service and it costs us very little in real terms.

I'll never understand people that don't tip for good service in the same way I'll never understand people who begrudge donating to charity or sponsoring someone who is doing a charitable activity.

I can afford to spend €100 on a meal or getting my hair done, but I can't be bothered tipping €5 to someone who's only getting paid slightly more than I'm spending on dinner or my hair a week!

i go to the salon owner, so i am sure he is getting paid more then 40c an hour.

I get my hair cut twice sometimes three times a year. You know nothing about my personal finances, and i do not appreciate the condesending tone of your post.

I do not believe in tipping, as said previously no one tips me for doing my job. whether i tip in bars or resturants is completely irrelavent as this thread is about tipping hairdressers.

Red Hand

Oh, I always tip Tom "The Wagon" O Connor up in the village whenever he gives me a haircut.

He knows my hair. *Twirls hair between fingers*

Tom "The Wagon" is also the local butcher, funeral director and owns one of the pubs in the locality.

all the stars

Faerie wrote: »

We live in IRELAND; everyone (by law) gets minimum wage.

No. As a qualified stylist working in galway city centre 45hrs + got paid €250 after tax.

Well below min wage. Never in all 7 years did i once receive the min wage.

John Mason

all the stars wrote: »

No. As a qualified stylist working in galway city centre 45hrs + got paid €250 after tax.

Well below min wage. Never in all 7 years did i once receive the min wage.

well, thats your own fault for not demanding your legal entitlements, we shouldnt be expected to supplement your wages because you didnt report your employer for breaking the law

all the stars

irishbird wrote: »

well, thats your own fault for not demanding your legal entitlements,

Em, anywhere outside dublin, cork & liomerick has basically no regulation. Therefore, they can get away with it. Also, a co worker said that to the boss and was suddenly let go due to lack of business...

irishbird wrote: »

we shouldnt be expected to supplement your wages because you didnt report your employer for breaking the law

Never said i expected anybody to sub my wages - just bringing it to your attention that you are wrong and while civil servants and pen pushers get all their nice entitlements & holidays, trade people dont most of the time.
I chose to do that job coz i loved it, and had job satisfaction -
So shoot that high horse of yours -

Clink

irishbird wrote: »

well, thats your own fault for not demanding your legal entitlements, we shouldnt be expected to supplement your wages because you didnt report your employer for breaking the law

Have you ever tryed to report an employer for breakingthe law? Really not as easy as it sounds unless you're in a place that has strong union representation.

It's all about level of service. I tip as I know that the next time I go back I'll be treated especially well and that I'll occasionally get treatments thrown in for free. If I leave the salon feeling like a million dollars how hard is it to throw an extra couple of quid to the person who's made me feel like that.

Iago

irishbird wrote: »

well, thats your own fault for not demanding your legal entitlements, we shouldnt be expected to supplement your wages because you didnt report your employer for breaking the law

ain't you a ray of sunshine this morning.

btw, although I realise I've quoted your posts twice now, I'm not actually directing any of my comments towards you personally but rather towards all people who choose not to tip.

Their employers aren't really breaking the law, the below statuate is the only piece of legislation covering apprentice hairdressers and beauticians and it only applies in the greater Dublin area.

To the best of my knowledge this hasn't been updated since 2002 http://www.entemp.ie/publications/sis/2002/si532.pdf

Taken from the above link

Ladies’ Hairdressing €215.27 plus 10% commission on personal takings*

Apprentices

Year 1 €189.53

Year 4 €252.70

(d) Beauticians and Manicurists
First 4 months €148.79 + 10% commission on personal takings*
On Completion of 1 year’s Training €198.40 + 10% commission on personal takings*


Anyway as I posted before, tipping is a personal choice and those that choose not to tip for whatever reason are entitled to hold that opinion. It's not one I agree with or understand, but that's ok and it's certainly not on a list of things that keep me awake at night.

What I don't get is when people try to justify it on the basis of not being able to afford it. If you can afford to spend over €100 on your hair you can afford to leave an extra €5 as a tip.

John Mason

Iago wrote: »

What I don't get is when people try to justify it on the basis of not being able to afford it. If you can afford to spend over €100 on your hair you can afford to leave an extra €5 as a tip.

as i have said previously you dont know my financial circumstances, it might just be €5.00 to you but to my that is either my bus fare for 3 days and or dinner for two nights. Personally, i would prefer to get to college or work or even eat then pay someone additional moneyfor actually doing their job which they get paid for

Iago

and again I say that if someone is spending over €100 on their hair, but are in a position where an additional €5 would mean they can't afford bus fare or dinner then they should really be thinking about the price of the hairdo and whether they really need it or can get it cheaper somewhere else rather than the tip.

but you're right I don't know your circumstances or anybody elses, and as a said it's a personal choice.

Clink

irishbird wrote: »

as i have said previously you dont know my financial circumstances, it might just be €5.00 to you but to my that is either my bus fare for 3 days and or dinner for two nights. Personally, i would prefer to get to college or work or even eat then pay someone additional moneyfor actually doing their job which they get paid for

If you live in a level of poverty where you scrap by to eat and get the bus places what are you doing spending €100 a pop getting your hair cut? :rolleyes:

all the stars

irishbird wrote: »

Personally, i would prefer to get to college or work or even eat then pay someone additional moneyfor actually doing their job which they get paid for

Thats the differance between someone who wants something done, right & now, and someone who appreciate what is done for them.
The way you posted those words - gives the impression because you paid for something, you have no appreciation for it.

I always say thanks to a bus driver when i get off. One day my O/H said to me "why thank him, thats his job to drive the bus" my reply was "if he wasn't there to do that job - how would we have gotten here?"

Do you understand my point?
I appreciate people. and the things they do.

John Mason

Clink wrote: »

If you live in a level of poverty where you scrap by to eat and get the bus places what are you doing spending €100 a pop getting your hair cut? :rolleyes:

i save for 6 months to get my hair cut, i get it cut twice a year. i dont tip my builders, plumbers, electricians or any of the men working in my house. i dont tip my college lecturers, i dont tip the bus man or the bin men

all the stars

irishbird wrote: »

i save for 6 months to get my hair cut, i get it cut twice a year. i dont tip my builders, plumbers, electricians or any of the men working in my house. i dont tip my college lecturers, i dont tip the bus man or the bin men

I've often noticed if you tip the lad washing your car, he remembers you and gives that lil bit extra , or if you give the electrician €20 for getting you r elec back on at christmas, he will never leave you stuck..

God, im not that old but years ago, when people had less money than now, they always were good to others and quick to give.
The Scabby tiger eh?

Clink

irishbird wrote: »

i save for 6 months to get my hair cut, i get it cut twice a year. i dont tip my builders, plumbers, electricians or any of the men working in my house. i dont tip my college lecturers, i dont tip the bus man or the bin men

My point being would you not just go somewhere cheaper?

Of course you don't tip builders et al, usually you try to negotiate downwards with them as usually they're lining their own pockets. My mother tips the binman, postman, milkman every christmas as it ensures that they go out of their way to actually do the job properly for the rest of the year. Just like at work and where I live there's a collection to tip the cleaners every christmas. You should try this tipping business, you may find people start acting nicer towards you!

Faerie

irishbird wrote: »

i save for 6 months to get my hair cut, i get it cut twice a year. i dont tip my builders, plumbers, electricians or any of the men working in my house. i dont tip my college lecturers, i dont tip the bus man or the bin men

I agree with you! I save to get my hair done too - and I can barely afford it because the prices are outrageous. I'm a student and it would be a huge chunk of my budget to be throwing money at people everywhere I go.
I'm not tight and I think the way everyone is comparing tipping to charity and even politeness is offensive.
I'm always polite to people and I think people should make more of an effort to be mannerly rather than feeling superior because you throw money at people everywhere. You can be nice to be people for nothing you know!
I bet the ones who are obsessed with giving tips feel that the world owes them something most of the time and they're the ones shouting at shop staff and complaining about waiters/waitresses for tiny mistakes.

Queen-Mise

As a rule I never tip hairdressers or beauticians.

I was reading an article in a magazine (cosmo-esque) and they argued no, they are probably earning more than you anyway. Which was most definitely true at the time & still is (in college).

So no i don't tip.

And secondly isn't tipping supposed to be for low low earning people. I wouldn't have though hairdressers or beauticians are in that category. I could with them tipping me:D

all the stars

queen-mise wrote: »

As a rule I never tip hairdressers or beauticians.

I was reading an article in a magazine (cosmo-esque) and they argued no, they are probably earning more than you anyway. Which was most definitely true at the time & still is (in college).

So no i don't tip.

And secondly isn't tipping supposed to be for low low earning people. I wouldn't have though hairdressers or beauticians are in that category. I could with them tipping me:D

clearly you didn't read the post about JLC rates of pay for hairdressers,,,, which gives a nice amount of details about how your student grant isn't too far behind the rate of pay for a 4th year hair apprentice ... might be worth you looking it up - it's nice how nobody really cares much once they can remain detatched to our ridiculously backward society where i would have made more €'s working in a fast food restaurant doin less hours (- needing basically no training) than i ever made as a qualified tradesperson all because nobody wants to know...
And then, people try to make them selves feel better by silly lil comments - let me assure you that my other half ( who is in college) at times had more more to spend than i - purely from grant only...

marti101

But what are we forgetting they have a trade and are capable of doing nixers i know a girl works in a salon and cuts peoples hair at night so they arent all poor and depending on our tips to survive and they arent the only low paid in the country we all start low and then as you learn more so does your wages