speeding fine query

mtbr hylo

Got stopped by gard for speeding...fair enough (was well over motorway limit) - he said it was dangerous driving but said that he'd leave it at 2 points for speeding. Only thing is 2 separate notices arrive in the post (same envelope) - speeding and driving without reasonable consideration... 2 x 2points... can you get done for 2 seperate offences at the same time?

bit lousy him saying one thing and doing another

milltown

I was told by a Garda that you only get the one pair of points regardless of how many offences are committed at the one time. Aside from what he said, what speed were you doing? Maybe on reflection he decided 2 points was letting you away too lightly.

S.I.R

was it a first time offence , also yes , you can , a mate of mine got 5 " infactions for speeding , carelessness , excessive speeding , evading police etc.

afaik the ponts stick to the Highest offence , the rest dont count to points but if they bring you up in court about it... your screwed.

BeardyGit

mtbr hylo wrote: »

Got stopped by gard for speeding...fair enough (was well over motorway limit) - he said it was dangerous driving but said that he'd leave it at 2 points for speeding. Only thing is 2 separate notices arrive in the post (same envelope) - speeding and driving without reasonable consideration... 2 x 2points... can you get done for 2 seperate offences at the same time?

bit lousy him saying one thing and doing another

A bit lousy of him? You say yourself you were "well over motorway limit". And now you're disappointed or surprised by his actions? Get a load of yourself will you....

Moral high-horse? Me? Not at all. But I can hear the law benders and the usual old gits getting ready to wheel that one out again.... Go on lads, I know you have to.... You wouldn't be utterly-predictable otherwise, would ye?


OP, you'll be lucky to avoid a disqualification I'd reckon, and if you really were "well over the motorway limit", you'll be getting what you deserve.

Gil

astraboy

Gil_Dub wrote: »

A bit lousy of him? You say yourself you were "well over motorway limit". And now you're disappointed or surprised by his actions? Get a load of yourself will you....

Moral high-horse? Me? Not at all. But I can hear the law benders and the usual old gits getting ready to wheel that one out again.... Go on lads, I know you have to.... You wouldn't be utterly-predictable otherwise, would ye?


OP, you'll be lucky to avoid a disqualification I'd reckon, and if you really were "well over the motorway limit", you'll be getting what you deserve.

Gil

Heres your halo:rolleyes::D

cabrwab

Awww no poor MTBR HYLO.
The barage of you shouldn't speed we are all perfect.
Ride your high horses!

Seth Brundle

Gil_Dub wrote: »

A bit lousy of him? You say yourself you were "well over motorway limit". And now you're disappointed or surprised by his actions? Get a load of yourself will you....

Moral high-horse? Me? Not at all. But I can hear the law benders and the usual old gits getting ready to wheel that one out again.... Go on lads, I know you have to.... You wouldn't be utterly-predictable otherwise, would ye?


OP, you'll be lucky to avoid a disqualification I'd reckon, and if you really were "well over the motorway limit", you'll be getting what you deserve.

Gil

cabrwab wrote: »

Awww no poor MTBR HYLO.
The barage of you shouldn't speed we are all perfect.
Ride your high horses!

Ya pair of sanctimonious so and so's!
He didn't complain about getting caught. He admitted and accepted it.
The OP's issue was with the fact that he was told he would be done for offence speeding and in fact got done for speeding and driving without reasonable consideration. Should the garda have been more up front about the punishment intended?
Anyhow, the OP only asked if it was legal for them to apply two punishments for one offence!
Gil_Dub - why do you think that the OP will be lucky to escape a disqualification given that he has already referred to the punishments being applied?
No need for your high moral ground!

kona

heres a question, i was in my mates car and he got done for speeding, fair enough, guard gave him the usual speil, and quoted section XYZ and said he was being done. fairly clear:)

i was stopped for speeding 2 nites ago around 1.30am(ive no complaints i was flying through town), fair play she stopped me, checked all my stuff, had a little conversation about the car and the speed, i totally agreed and apologised.
now she didnt quote any legislation, didnt mention points only to say that im lucky she isnt doing me for reckess driving due to my speed and the fact "drunks" are about:D

now im just wondering will i hear anything?? im expecting points, which i deserve as i broke te law??but she wasnt very clear, and i dint want to ask:D

Diairist

Here are 2 alternative explanations: he genuinely meant what he said when he was leaning in your car window BUT 1: he pressed the wrong button on the computer or 2: his sergeant looked over his shoulder while he was on the computer and ordered him to penalise or record both?

Either way, bad luck. :mad: I’m sure we both see worse every day.

cabrwab

I was actaully agreeing with the OP my problem is the you shouldnt speed hope you burn in hell talk that was bound to follow.

Sorry for the confusion.
Sarcasm is hard to do in type!

The fact the gard was being an ass, funny i thought they would have to notify you of all points at the roadside.

BeardyGit

Ah bugger - No day in court? No contest? Just points? No slapped wrists? Shame. "Well over motorway limit" deserves a bit more than a few poxy points and a couple of hundred lids in fines.

Anyway, of course you'll get both sets of points if they're both points offences..... What makes any of you think he gets off with one set, just because he happened to be committing another offence at the same time? Can you imagine it? (I can) - "I'm sorry I hit yer man while skidding around the motorway on my bald tyres at 150 clicks, stoned off me tits on some of the class A partypack in the glovebox over there, Garda. Me tax is out too so you can do me for that and let me on with the rest, won't ye?"

High moral ground my arse. I just can't get my head around people breaking the law (and not a little bit over lads - We all do that from time to time), having the Garda leave off a dangerous driving charge, then heading for t'internet to have a little moan about getting done for a couple of lesser offences.

Look. Gifthorse. Mouth.

Tails142

Well in that case gil_dub, why doesnt EVERY speeding offence come with an additional 2 points for dangerous driving, making the maximum possible points 6.

Or are you infact admitting that speeding doesnt necessarily mean dangerous?

You're supposed to only get the points/fine for one offence at a time through the fixed penalty system, in a court appearance you will get multiple summons..sss and the judge will give you your fine/points

blorg

OP is getting hit with two penalty point offences, the speeding and driving without reasonable consideration.

Careless driving is a more serious offence involving a mandatory court appearance and 5 points on conviction. OP is _not_ being charged with this.

Dangerous driving is a yet more serious offence involving a mandatory court appearance and minimum 12 months disqualification on conviction (can also include fines and imprisonment.) OP is _not_ being charged with this either.

Steve

You only get one set of points.

Section 2, RTA 2002
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2002/en/act/pub/0012/sec0002.html#sec2

2.(1) Where a person makes a payment under section 103 (as inserted by this Act) of the Principal Act in respect of an alleged penalty point offence (other than such an offence specified at reference number 2, 3, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 or 14 in column (2) of Part 1 of the First Schedule), the number of penalty points specified in column (4) of that Schedule opposite the mention of the offence in the said column (2) shall, subject to and in accordance with the provisions of this Act, be endorsed on the entry relating to the person in respect of the alleged offence.

(2) Where a person is convicted of a penalty point offence, the number of penalty points specified in column (5) of the First Schedule opposite the mention of the offence in column (2) of that Schedule shall, subject to and in accordance with the provisions of this Act, be endorsed on the entry relating to the person in respect of the offence.

(3) (a) Where a person, whether on the same occasion or not—

(i) makes 2 or more payments referred to in subsection (1) in respect of alleged penalty point offences committed on the same occasion, or

(ii) is convicted of 2 or more penalty point offences committed on the same occasion,

penalty points in respect of one only of the alleged offences or offences, determined, where appropriate, in accordance with subsection (4), shall be endorsed on the entry relating to the person.

(b) Where a person, whether on the same occasion or not, makes one or more payments referred to in subsection (1) and is convicted of one or more penalty point offences and the alleged penalty point offences concerned and the penalty point offences were committed on the same occasion, penalty points in respect only of any one of the alleged offences and offences, determined in accordance with subsection (4), shall be endorsed on the entry relating to the person.

(4) In a case referred to in subsection (3)—

(a) if the number of penalty points falling (but for that subsection) to be endorsed on the entry concerned in respect of one of the alleged offences, or offences, concerned differs from that or those in respect of the other or others, the number which is the bigger or biggest shall, subject to paragraph (b), be endorsed on the entry, and

(b) if 2 or more of the numbers aforesaid are bigger than the other or others, or are the biggest of the numbers, and are equal, one only of them shall be so endorsed.

Morgans

My brother got stopped for speeding at Easter, over 3 weeks ago now. No excuses, Guard said that it was 2 pts offence, but my brothers says he hasnt received any notification in the post. He was asking me should he follow it up or what was the story? I didn't have a clue, so I have just typed this....

Any help on the best course of action.

Steve

Morgans wrote: »

My brother got stopped for speeding at Easter, over 3 weeks ago now. No excuses, Guard said that it was 2 pts offence, but my brothers says he hasnt received any notification in the post. He was asking me should he follow it up or what was the story? I didn't have a clue, so I have just typed this....

Any help on the best course of action.

AFAIK they can take up to 6 months to arrive.

Wait it out.

craichoe

Gil_Dub wrote: »

Ah bugger - No day in court? No contest? Just points? No slapped wrists? Shame. "Well over motorway limit" deserves a bit more than a few poxy points and a couple of hundred lids in fines.

Anyway, of course you'll get both sets of points if they're both points offences..... What makes any of you think he gets off with one set, just because he happened to be committing another offence at the same time? Can you imagine it? (I can) - "I'm sorry I hit yer man while skidding around the motorway on my bald tyres at 150 clicks, stoned off me tits on some of the class A partypack in the glovebox over there, Garda. Me tax is out too so you can do me for that and let me on with the rest, won't ye?"

High moral ground my arse. I just can't get my head around people breaking the law (and not a little bit over lads - We all do that from time to time), having the Garda leave off a dangerous driving charge, then heading for t'internet to have a little moan about getting done for a couple of lesser offences.

Look. Gifthorse. Mouth.

Such a civicly minded person should join the Garda reserves, just think, you'll be able to catch all the evil-doers .. lol!

Seth Brundle

cabrwab wrote: »

I was actaully agreeing with the OP my problem is the you shouldnt speed hope you burn in hell talk that was bound to follow.

Sorry for the confusion.
Sarcasm is hard to do in type!

Forgiven!
Use the sarcasm smiley below in future!
:rolleyes:

Gil_Dub wrote: »

Ah bugger - No day in court? No contest? Just points? No slapped wrists? Shame. "Well over motorway limit" deserves a bit more than a few poxy points and a couple of hundred lids in fines.

Anyway, of course you'll get both sets of points if they're both points offences..... What makes any of you think he gets off with one set, just because he happened to be committing another offence at the same time? Can you imagine it? (I can) - "I'm sorry I hit yer man while skidding around the motorway on my bald tyres at 150 clicks, stoned off me tits on some of the class A partypack in the glovebox over there, Garda. Me tax is out too so you can do me for that and let me on with the rest, won't ye?"

High moral ground my arse. I just can't get my head around people breaking the law (and not a little bit over lads - We all do that from time to time), having the Garda leave off a dangerous driving charge, then heading for t'internet to have a little moan about getting done for a couple of lesser offences.

Look. Gifthorse. Mouth.

You didn't have to post that though!
The OP wasn't being critical of being caught, nor were they trying to wriggle out of anything by using dodgy excuses. They came online looking for advice on whether the gardas actions were legal or not. As it turns out, they are not!
You were deliberately trying to stir it up.
If you dislike people breaking the law then become a garda or a judge or whatever. Don't come on here acting the troll!

blorg

OP was wondering about what the Garda said regarding not charging him with dangerous driving, and leaving it at two points for speeding.

1. You are not being charged with dangerous or even careless driving- these are different and more serious offences than driving without reasonable consideration.

2. As other posters have pointed out, you will only get 2 points endorsed, as you were told. You have to pay the two fines, but only get the one set of points on your license.

Not sure what actions of the garda were "not legal" in all of this.

astraboy

kbannon wrote: »

Forgiven!

If you dislike people breaking the law then become a garda or a judge or whatever. Don't come on here acting the troll!

Don't encourage him! The last thing is loopers like him with such attitudes in the traffic corps, or worse, on the Bench!

dave_brent

whats the story with NI registered cars speeding in ROI, I think I may have been done doin 65/70 mph on the ennis to limerick dual carriageway...

Will i get a fine or points on my NI licence or both....

pow wow

dave_brent wrote: »

whats the story with NI registered cars speeding in ROI, I think I may have been done doin 65/70 mph on the ennis to limerick dual carriageway...

Will i get a fine or points on my NI licence or both....

Not that I'm aware of.

craichoe

dave_brent wrote: »

whats the story with NI registered cars speeding in ROI, I think I may have been done doin 65/70 mph on the ennis to limerick dual carriageway...

Will i get a fine or points on my NI licence or both....

If you produced your UK driving license then no, you'll just get a fine. Points cannot be issued on UK licenses as yet.

dave_brent

we were stopped now on a camera the cops i think had set up on a tripod out the back of a jeep.... he has NI licence and car and from NI...

just checking is all....

Esel

Gil_Dub wrote: »

A bit lousy of him? You say yourself you were "well over motorway limit". And now you're disappointed or surprised by his actions? Get a load of yourself will you....

Moral high-horse? Me? Not at all. But I can hear the law benders and the usual old gits getting ready to wheel that one out again.... Go on lads, I know you have to.... You wouldn't be utterly-predictable otherwise, would ye?


OP, you'll be lucky to avoid a disqualification I'd reckon, and if you really were "well over the motorway limit", you'll be getting what you deserve.

Gil

This post reminds me of those secret gays who are vocally anti-gay.

eringobragh

esel wrote: »

This post reminds me of those secret gays who are vocally anti-gay.

lol

BeardyGit

As someone who nearly bit the dust last year when hit by some filthy wankstain in a NI registered car, driving wrecklessly and in excess of the speed limit on the M50, I've little tolerance for law breakers on our roads. Call me a closet whatever you like for that....

Anyway, I've no interest in joining the Gardaí in any form. I've had much more satisfaction lately out of having a couple of cars seized by customs & excise from a carpark beside my workplace....I think I've found a new hobby.

*Tripper*

Totally agree with astraboy, get a fcuking life man.

deman

Seems to me that there seems to be a lot of people posting here who condone speeding and law-breaking. And then some that get abusive with those who respect the law. Just because somebody follows the law doesn't mean that he doesn't have a life. In fact, I'd say the opposite were more appropriate. Those who speed and those who condone it do so because it's the only kick they can get out of life. How sad is that?

Like Gil, I had a near fatal accident where my son was airlifted to the nearest "bigger" hospital, my daughter broke her back in three places and my wife and I had serious difficulties walking for a year after the accident. All because of a careless driver. No, he wasn't speeding. But if he had been, I wouldn't be here now telling you about it. So, yes, like Gil, I've become very intolerant towards speeding drivers, slow drivers, wreckless drivers, careless drivers and driving without reasonable consideration, whatever. Does everyone need to have a brush with death to realise this?

cyclopath2001

Gil_Dub wrote: »

As someone who nearly bit the dust last year when hit by some filthy wankstain in a NI registered car, driving wrecklessly and in excess of the speed limit on the M50....

I'm sorry to hear this. Were you or any of your passengers injured?

BeardyGit

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

I'm sorry to hear this. Were you or any of your passengers injured?

Yes, both myself and the missus were... I've had maybe a dozen solid nights sleep since then, thankfully she's just fine. The rest are interrupted due to back ache and muscular issues. Those uninteripted nights are solely thanks to the wonders of modern medication, something I'd rather do without. Tough as that is for me (and the missus who has to deal with my complaints), it's nothing compared to what some people deal with as a DIRECT consequence of speeding motorists on our roads.

Zero tolerance from this quarter for anyone who DELIBERATELY speeds, and ignores the laws I'm obliged to obey. Anyway, we're going off topic, and there are some posters becoming personally abusive here which only serves to highlight their character....

masseyno9

Gil_Dub

I actually remember the thread on here about that. Sounded horrific. But that doesn't mean that everyone who speeds is as inconcsiderate as the person that hit you. I think your reaction was a bit of a high-horse stance (perhaps understandably so) but was also a bit off topic with regards to the OP's question.

As you said the person who hit you was driving recklessly, the OP admitted openly to speeding (his friend, whatever) and accepting the penalty imposed upon him and his license.

unkel

astraboy wrote: »

I'd say your the "Wankstain". Breaking the speed limit on a Motorway, how henious!:eek::rolleyes:

Glad you've found a new hobby, butting into others business and getting pleasure from others cars being seized, jelous, petty and small minded people like you are those that make living in Ireland a chore. Get a life and a real hobby, preferably one that will have you removed from the gene pool sooner rather then later, one can only imagine the little Hitlers you would raise. :eek:

Have a nice day now.

That's well out of order, astraboy...

astraboy

deman wrote: »

Like Gil, I had a near fatal accident where my son was airlifted to the nearest "bigger" hospital, my daughter broke her back in three places and my wife and I had serious difficulties walking for a year after the accident. All because of a careless driver. No, he wasn't speeding. But if he had been, I wouldn't be here now telling you about it. So, yes, like Gil, I've become very intolerant towards speeding drivers, slow drivers, wreckless drivers, careless drivers and driving without reasonable consideration, whatever. Does everyone need to have a brush with death to realise this?

Exactly, you prove our point. Some Drivers are just plain dangerous, no matter what speed they drive at. Wreckless drivers in general are what gets my back up, but how hard is it for people to understand that many speed limits in Ireland and simply inappropriately low. 80Kph on a dual carriage way? I'm not sorry for say this, but speed limits like that are a pisstake, and yes I break the speed limit occasionally, normally on a dual carriageway when the conditions allow it(which is rare TBH). I choose a safe speed for the road, the conditions and the traffic as well as the car I'm driving. I'll be damned if I let some clown in a council office with a map tell me whats a safe and realistic speed for a particular road.

Again, I am against inappropriate speed, but that is different from breaking what are often draconian and stupidly low limits.

I hope everyone has made a recovery after your accident, but it simply shows that more driver training to prevent carelessness on the road, as well as more cops on the road, would be far more beneficial then speed cameras. Speed cameras don't detect idiots on the road...

@Unkel, I edited the original post, I was a bit harsh, put it down to college stress.

@Gil_Dub, I misread your original post. My apologies, however I do think just blaming pure speed is single minded and you do seem to be up on your high horse, however I understand your POV but careless and wreckless drivers are the issue, and that includes those that drive too fast, above and below the limit. Speed cameras won't take the careless drivers off the road.

cyclopath2001

masseyno9 wrote: »

But that doesn't mean that everyone who speeds is as inconcsiderate as the person that hit you.

The faster a vehicle travels, the greater the damage it will cause when it hits something. It does not matter how skilled the driver, an impact may result from somebody else's mistake. Society has set an upper limit on the risk that people should be subjected to. Anyone who breaks the law is not being considerate of the risk to others posed by their speed.

astraboy

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

The faster a vehicle travels, the greater the damage it will cause when it hits something. It does not matter how skilled the driver, an impact may result from somebody else's mistake. Society has set an upper limit on the risk that people should be subjected to. Anyone who breaks the law is not being considerate of the risk to others posed by their speed.

O right, is that why all the Autobans in Germany have exactly the same accident rate, those with or without speedlimits?

Lets set the speed limit at 5kph so and that'll stop all the accidents.

At the end of the day some speed limits are plain stupid and it makes a mockery of the whole idea of speed limits for safety. Motorways have dividing barriers and pulling people over for going 80Mph on a clear motorway is not doing anything for road safety.

eringobragh

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

The faster a vehicle travels, the greater the damage it will cause when it hits something. It does not matter how skilled the driver, an impact may result from somebody else's mistake. Society has set an upper limit on the risk that people should be subjected to. Anyone who breaks the law is not being considerate of the risk to others posed by their speed.

Do you even drive?..A bicycle doesn't count BTW :pac:

So far the majority of your "contribution" to the motoring forum is trolling the speed related topics.

masseyno9

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

The faster a vehicle travels, the greater the damage it will cause when it hits something. It does not matter how skilled the driver, an impact may result from somebody else's mistake. Society has set an upper limit on the risk that people should be subjected to. Anyone who breaks the law is not being considerate of the risk to others posed by their speed.

I agree with the speeding deserves to be penalised thing, but the OP did too. I think you missed my point. I possibly didnt put it across too well. What i meant was that speeding isn't the mother of all evil that can be done on the road. Inconciderate, reckless fools can cause damage if they go 10km/h or 110km/h.

The speed is not the main problem in Ireland, its the idiots that drive on the roads. people with irresponsible attitudes who speed are the worst kind of speeders, like the guys on Northern plates who sit on your rear quarter panel in a line of traffic on an N-road. Or the boy racers who sit on your tail.

cyclopath2001

eringobragh wrote: »

Do you even drive?..

Yes, I both drive and cycle. I also walk.

What's your point? Is there something I said in this thread that you disagree with?

Esel

astraboy wrote: »

I choose a safe speed for the road, the conditions and the traffic as well as the car I'm driving. I'll be damned if I let some clown in a council office with a map tell me whats a safe and realistic speed for a particular road.

Maybe that 'clown' sometimes knows things you don't?

Case in point: the road that runs from the new hotel in Ballymun to the new Charlestown shopping centre in Finglas. Coming from Ballymun, you soon hit a 30km/h section. The road is a bit twisty. The surface looks smooth and perfect. Except it isn't. The surface dressing is not finalised, and what's there at present is the same as on the road where the five school pupils were killed last year in Meath.

But you, with your attitude, would say 'No way this should be 30km/h, I'll be damned etc......', and proceed at 50km/h, 60km/h or whatever. Not realising, or caring, that the lower posted limit is there for a purpose. All of a sudden you have to brake hard for some reason, lose control, possible gene pool loss.

eringobragh

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

Yes, I both drive and cycle. I also walk.

What's your point? Is there something I said in this thread that you disagree with?

My point is as i said... majority of your "contribution" to the moring section seems to be trolling the speeding topics and putting daft ideas like GPS tracking in cars. TBH if i thought Gay Byrne could use a computer i'd nearly guess you were him.

Do I speed. Yes. Where? I religiously stick to speed limits in built up area's and ****e roads, but on a motorway or decent National road i tend to wander over the PSL. Why? Because I can, In 2 years i've seen f**k all guards checking for speed.

Current points on licence: 0.

Anyhow the OP admitted he was in the wrong . So whats your point.

BeardyGit

astraboy wrote: »

@Gil_Dub, I misread your original post. My apologies, however I do think just blaming pure speed is single minded and you do seem to be up on your high horse, however I understand your POV but careless and wreckless drivers are the issue, and that includes those that drive too fast, above and below the limit. Speed cameras won't take the careless drivers off the road.

Agreed.

return guide

once again a thread has gone arsaways.
The op was not denying wrong doimg , but questioning the outcome of his meetig with the guard

Seth Brundle

return guide wrote: »

once again a thread has gone arsaways.
The op was not denying wrong doimg , but questioning the outcome of his meetig with the guard

True!
Thats why I'm locking it!