Chocolate cake!!!

Nevyn

http://londonist.com/2008/04/rape_is_like_being_force-fed_chocolate_cake_blogs_bnp_official_.php

How such an idiot gets elected is beyond me.

April 9, 2008
“Rape is Like Being Force-Fed Chocolate Cake” Blogs BNP Official
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Not only can blogging wage war on your health, but public figures are getting in trouble for their online opinions. The BNP’s Nick Eriksen learnt this the hard way last week, after he was sacked as the party's London Assembly candidate for publishing jaw-droppingly obtuse views on rape on his blog. The post has since been removed, but luckily journalists were quick to spot the following:

"Rape is simply sex (I am talking about 'husband-rape' here)... Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal…To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence.”

Yeah. Whoa.

Londonist wants to know how someone with these kinds of views can have possibly gotten as far as Eriksen has in government: up until now, his blog has been either ignored or praised by fellow BNP leaders, including one entry in 2005 describing career women as “unnatural and vile.” Eriksen claimed his commentary sought to “stimulate debate”.

Almost 80% of rapes are “acquaintance rapes,” or sexual acts forced upon women by someone they know. Partner/husband rapes are the most common, and according to a 2000 British Crime Survey, strangers were responsible for a mere 8% of the rape victims surveyed. So no, Eriksen, rape is not exactly, nearly, or approximately anything remotely like eating cake, and whoever the perpetrator is, rape is by definition violent, and is never “simply” sex, whether or not it is instigated by a husband.

by Kira Hesser

watna

Well, he's in the BNP. Nuff said.

Although, you're right Thaed. How did he get elected?!

DJ_Spider

Money! The BNP are notorious for pumping large amounts of cash into local candidates. One in question was this one in 2001 http://tinyurl.com/5pjrqq I disagree with the BNP's manifesto entirely. I say this in defense of the British people living here. It's bad enough being tarred with the same brush as the English that caused so much trouble in 1916.

But I am partly Irish anyway as I was born in Galway but moved to the UK when I was 3 years old.

Seraphina

thats quite outrageous, however, your picture at the start of the post is very distracting....

mmmmm cake...

tbh.. people with extreme views like this are all over the place, its ridiculous. despite being quite a 'forward' country/continent, most people in power grew up when that kind of attitude was fairly normal. unfortunately in some cases, people's views don't change or modernise on some issues, and it's not always easy to notice. i mean, he'd never say anything like that on tv or in an interview, but probably assumed a post like that in his blog might not get such attention.

idiot..

Wibbs

Jebus! Clearly an idiot, elected by same and it would not surprise me to find out how many would go along with that. Wouldn't surprise at all.

Dragan

Well after that poll a few weeks ago that showed a large percentage feel the rape victim is somehow responsible we can't really be suprised at this type of thing.

What a ****tard. Hope someone suprises buttsecks him.

I mean, it seems he would enjoy it once your not hitting him.

I do wonder how long it will take for the Freedom of Speech argument to come up though.

WindSock

How silly. Cake is worse, you can't put on weight from rape.

Ruthee

Dragan wrote: »

Well after that poll a few weeks ago that showed a large percentage feel the rape victim is somehow responsible we can't really be suprised at this type of thing.

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yeah i read about that survey..more shockingly however, a large percentage of of women taking the poll felt that the victim was responsible...how anyone can think it is one thing,but for women?sometimes i just dont know...:(

Dragan

Ruthee wrote: »

yeah i read about that survey..more shockingly however, a large percentage of of women taking the poll felt that the victim was responsible...how anyone can think it is one thing,but for women?sometimes i just dont know...:(

It is very important to look at where the poll was done and the people most likely to respond!

Now, i work in Statistics and part of our team do markety research, surveys, all that type of thing. I can honestly say never to pay too much attention to any kind of survey like that....a certain type of person and demographic will always reply to a certain subject so the numbers can be highly skewed.

For example.....i think ( or at least i have enough faith in my home country and my fellow Irish ) that as a nation we are finally starting to become more open, honest and accepting. Go back to even when i was a kid and being gay was a sin and a crime, wearing a short skirt made you hooker....that type of thing.

A lot of people who would have had this attitude will not have changed and it will continue to come through in surveys such as this.

I mean, how many people here ever even aware that such a survey was carried out? Who was asked for their view and how were the results collected? What was sanity testing done on it and what kind of rules were there based around targeting?

I sincerely doubt that such views truly represent the opinions of the Irish populace with regard to such a subject.

pow wow

WindSock wrote: »

How silly. Cake is worse, you can't put on weight from rape.

Wholly inappropriate comment, in spite of the lighthearted tone of the topic. I wouldn't usually say anything as a joker myself but come on. Cake worse than rape?

Ruthee

Dragan wrote: »

A lot of people who would have had this attitude will not have changed and it will continue to come through in surveys such as this.

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you're probably right on this,but then again wouldnt it be a priority of a statistican to get a balanced sample for the survey so that it would be valid? I dont know too much about stats so i dont know, is that possible?..

I agree that Ireland has come along way, but now and then something someone says will make me wonder...

Nevyn

Ruthee wrote: »

I agree that Ireland has come along way, but now and then something someone says will make me wonder...

Have we really ?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhcwkfidojmh/

More than one woman is raped in Dublin every day, new figures revealed today.

During the month of July, 39 women attended the Sexual Assault and Treatment Unit (SATU) at the city’s Rotunda Hospital, while 31 women were examined there in June.

The figures, compiled by the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre (DRCC), were released as it emerged fewer than one in 10 sexual assault cases are reported to gardai.

The study, commissioned by the Rape Crisis Network in Ireland (RCNI), also found that 95% of cases reported to gardai will never reach court.


It showed that Ireland has the worst record in Europe when it comes to successfully prosecuting people accused of sex crimes.

Kate Mulkerrins, legal co-ordinator with RCNI, blamed the quality of garda investigations and a range of failures in the legal system on low number of cases being brought by victims.

“The average rape case takes 118 weeks from someone being charged to getting a case to trial, and that’s on top of the time between reporting a crime and a charge,” she said.

“That’s double the time of a similar case in the UK.

“We take far too long, we don’t support people enough in the system, and essentially we leave people in the dark.

Ruthee

well, that is absolutely shocking...

WindSock

ellscurr wrote: »

Wholly inappropriate comment, in spite of the lighthearted tone of the topic. I wouldn't usually say anything as a joker myself but come on. Cake worse than rape?

Tongue-in-cheek, m'dear.

Dragan

Ruthee wrote: »

you're probably right on this,but then again wouldnt it be a priority of a statistican to get a balanced sample for the survey so that it would be valid? I dont know too much about stats so i dont know, is that possible?..

For a statatician yes, but for a journalist no. It also depends on the type of person doing the work from start to finish.

You would be amazed how people have tried to interpret some of the figures i have given them.

dfx-

I see your chocolate cake, Thaedydal and raise you this:

Italy's highest court has ruled that a woman wearing jeans cannot be raped.

The Supreme Court of Appeal in Rome on Wednesday overturned a rape conviction, saying that the supposed victim must have agreed to sex because her jeans could not have been removed without her consent.



Rome Correspondent David Willey: "Ground-breaker in Italian legal annals"
A court in the southern town of Potenza had convicted a driving instructor of raping his 18-year-old pupil.

The instructor, aged 45 and identified only as Carmine, had been sentenced to 34 months' jail.

His defence had argued that the young woman - identified as Rosa - had consented to sex, a version of events which the woman strongly denied.

The Supreme Court ruled that it was impossible to remove a pair of jeans "without the collaboration of the person wearing them", and that the young woman must therefore have consented to sex.

In a judgement likely to anger women's rights organisations, the rape conviction was reversed.

Driving instructors in Italy have a reputation, deserved or undeserved, for molesting young female pupils, and the case appeared at first to be a familiar story of sexual assault on a lonely country road.

Beat that

The Sweeper

I think some people need to be educated about the difference between 'freely given consent' and 'terrified cooperation in fear of your life'.

The problem is that 'terrified cooperation in fear of your life' is misconstrued as 'consent' because some people who have not been raped or beaten in their lives cannot understand how you wouldn't fight back with every ounce of your being.

If you have been raped while wearing jeans, surely you must have consented. If you have been raped while wearing jeans, had your cheekbone and nose broken, your wrist fractured and one of your shoulders dislocated, THEN we will agree that you were not consenting.

But what choices do you make in the midst of being attacked? Do you trade genital injury and emotional trauma against genital injury, emotional trauma and the long road to recovery from grevious bodily harm because you fought back? Do you cooperate in the hope your attacker won't strangle you to death? Do you offer little resistance to being orally raped because you don't want to be stabbed in the stomach?

If you do not fight back, do you spend months punishing yourself because you didn't fight back?

Decisions decisions.

tallaght01

Thats true, MAJD. I guess it's like someone threatening your family if you don;'t bring them to your bank and withdraw your savings for them. You may have co-operated, but it's not genuine consent.

The BNP are nutcases. When I lived in the UK they were doing well politically, on the back of the immigration issue. People voted for them on that basis, and ignored their other policies.

However, as much as I hate what they say, I would rather live in a country that allows them to say it, than one that does not.

carolmon

WindSock wrote: »

How silly. Cake is worse, you can't put on weight from rape.

Really tongue in cheek or otherwise, surely a moderator of a women's forum should know better than to joke about rape, doubt many people who have experienced assault are laughing.

Dragan

carolmon wrote: »

Really tongue in cheek or otherwise, surely a moderator of a women's forum should know better than to joke about rape, doubt many people who have experienced assault are laughing.

You can laugh about everything or you can laugh about nothing.

Nevyn

WindSock wrote: »

How silly. Cake is worse, you can't put on weight from rape.

OH I'd say you would put on a fair bit if you ended up pregnant esp in the case of spousal rape where he would want you to keep the child or even if he didn't know the relationship could be that controlling and financially abusive that you may not have the time or money to get emergency contraceptive or to travel to the U.K.

Jules

I once read, and for the life of me i cannot remember where, that in France or Italy, rape cannot be committed in a certain type of car. I must try harder to find it.

Its not like we can cast stones, the second woman to go public about being raped in Ireland (The first being Lavinia Kerwick).
Was ran out of the village she lived in, and it is not 15 years past.

aye

Moonbaby wrote: »

Its not like we can cast stones, the second woman to go public about being raped in Ireland.
Was ran out of the village she lived in, and it is not 15 years past.

what?

aye

aye wrote: »

what?

I forget her name, I think it was down in Cork. She was raped by a well know taxi driver, and the rest of the vilage were not impressed with her going public with it.
She left for England as a result of the harrassment.

Nevyn

The same with Mary Shannon she and her children had to move out of the town
after she was raped in her home.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1219/shannonm.html

Dragan

Thaedydal wrote: »

The same with Mary Shannon she and her children had to move out of the town
after she was raped in her home.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1219/shannonm.html

Thae,

that is a very lose interpretation of that article. From my reading of it the poor woman seemed to feel like she could no longer live in the house she was raped in, not that whole town turned on her for going public?

MizzLolly

Oh My God!! :eek: I can't believe what I just read. That should not have ever been printed. It's a dangerous attitude to publicise and will probably hurt many people out there. Good job pointing it out, name and shame the planks I say!

Crumble Froo

that's all just so... i can't believe so much of that. i do, of course...but in a dumbfounded way. i had loads typed here, but... i just... agh, just...

god, people suck.

Dudess

Thaedydal, kudos on what you've done with that thread title...

WindSock wrote: »

How silly. Cake is worse, you can't put on weight from rape.

LOL

ellscurr wrote: »

Wholly inappropriate comment, in spite of the lighthearted tone of the topic. I wouldn't usually say anything as a joker myself but come on. Cake worse than rape?

Please tell me you didn't think it was anything other than tongue-in-cheek...?

carolmon wrote: »

Really tongue in cheek or otherwise, surely a moderator of a women's forum should know better than to joke about rape, doubt many people who have experienced assault are laughing.

Lighten up...

Meh, it doesn't surprise me one little bit that there are those (men and women) who believe rape within marriage is ok...

watna

dfx- wrote: »

I see your chocolate cake, Thaedydal and raise you this:



Beat that

If this was acually true then all women would have to do to prevent being raped is wear jeans. It's beyond stupid!

/goes to put on rape prevention jeans

Nevyn

watna wrote: »

If this was acually true then all women would have to do to prevent being raped is wear jeans. It's beyond stupid!

/goes to put on rape prevention jeans

Well next thing you know it will not be rape cos a woman was not wearing
"Rapex" and there for consented to any and ever man having sex with her.



http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/rapex-the-rape-prevention-device-delayed-182437.php

As you may remember, the gadget goes inside of a woman and clamps down on a rapist's penis to force him into getting medical attention, which in turn will alert the authorities that he is a rapist (or the victim of a horrible practical joke).

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/controversy-in-south-africa-over-device-to-snare-rapists/2005/09/01/1125302683893.html

A medieval device built on hatred of men? Or a cheap, easy-to-use invention that could free millions of South African women from fear of rape, in a country with the world's worst sexual assault record?

Dubbed the "rape trap", trademarked "Rapex", the condom-like device bristling with internal hooks designed to snare rapists has re-ignited controversy over South Africa's alarming rape rate, even before plans for its production were announced in Western Cape this week.

Some say the inventor, Sonette Ehlers, a former medical technician, deserves a medal, others that she needs help.

The device, concealed inside a woman's body, hooks onto a rapist during penetration and must be surgically removed.

Ms Ehlers said the rape trap would be so painful for a rapist that it would disable him immediately, enabling his victim to escape; but would cause no long-term physical damage and could not injure the woman.

Some women's activists call the device regressive, putting the onus on women to address a male problem.

Charlene Smith, an anti-rape campaigner, said it "goes back to the concept of chastity belts" and would incite injured rapists to kill their victims.

"We don't need these nut-case devices by people hoping to make a lot of money out of other women's fear," Ms Smith said.

But Ms Ehlers contends that South Africa's rape problem is so severe women cannot wait for male attitudes to improve.

"I don't hate men. I love men. I have not got revenge in mind. All I am doing is giving women their power back," Ms Ehlers said. "I don't even hate rapists. But I hate the deed with a passion."

The United Nations says South Africa has the world's highest per capita rate of reported rapes - 119 per 100,000 people. Analysts say the total, including unreported rapes, could be nine times higher

watna

Brilliant! Who comes up with these things?

My OH is in South Africa at the moment. Will I get him to bring us back some?

pretty*monster

Nick Eriksen's blog has been suspended. He has this to say,

"
While most readers of this blog understood perfectly well the points I was trying to make, it seems some people didn't and they believe the absurd media lies and smears.
I am genuinely sorry if these people were upset, but they really should have read more carefully. Had they done so they would have understood that I definitely do not condone sexual violence. To suggest that I do is a complete lie.

In future I hope that people will read more carefully, considering both the context and the style, instead of jumping to grotesque conclusions or falling for the media and far-left lies."

http://sirjohnbull.blogspot.com/

But of course, since he's taken the rest of the blog down it's hard to judge him on the basis of context and style :rolleyes:

Dudess

While most readers of this blog understood perfectly well the points I was trying to make, it seems some people didn't and they believe the absurd media lies and smears.

Groan... yet another "it's the media, not me" whinge...

carolmon

Dudess wrote: »

k...?

Lighten up...

Wh? Cos you say so???

I didn't take Theadydal's opening post or the blog topic (ie incredible levels of ignorance about the nature and effects of rape) to be light in nature


I thought since it was in the Ladies Lounge it was up for an intelligent discussion, it wasn't posted in AH...........

BTW I noticed you don't multiquote Thaedydal's response to Windsock's comment, which clearly shows it was posted to generate a serious response..

Dudess

Thaedydal's retort wasn't relevant to what I was trying to say.
WindSock's post was purely satirical, nothing more. I don't think anything is beyond satire.
Her post, whether intentional or unintentional, made an extremely good point: in our culture, there is such a hysterical emphasis on not putting on weight (I'm not talking about getting fat, I'm talking about having a bit of an ass) that it's spoken about as if it's as bad as - if not worse than - rape.

Nevyn

Dudess wrote: »

Thaedydal's retort wasn't relevant to what I was trying to say.
WindSock's post was purely satirical, nothing more. I don't think anything is beyond satire.
Her post, whether intentional or unintentional, made an extremely good point: in our culture, there is such a hysterical emphasis on not putting on weight (I'm not talking about getting fat, I'm talking about having a bit of an ass) that it's spoken about as if it's as bad as - if not worse than - rape.

Prolly cos the true impact of rape is unknown to a lot of people as it is years of
recovery and changes the person and most don't want to talk about it openly.

The effect of rape and sexual assault on both men and women is consistantly played down.

carolmon

Didn't read it like that at all............and hey let's not turn this into another fat debate, think that's been done to death, and really don't want to be taking away from the topic.

Just meant that I would've expected a bit more sensitivity here from the mods here, a bit more awareness...... i mean if the stats are correct 1 in 4 have experienced sexual assault so just to be aware who's posting and reading is alll,

just my thoughts.

Dudess

I see where you're coming from too. Thaed's right - there needs to be more emphasis on just how horrific the effects of rape are.

Nevyn

carolmon wrote: »

Just meant that I would've expected a bit more sensitivity here from the mods here, a bit more awareness...... i mean if the stats are correct 1 in 4 have experienced sexual assault so just to be aware who's posting and reading is alll,

just my thoughts.

Well that is why I would not post things here that would be triggers with out a warning.

DJ_Spider

I used to be involved with a young lady who had been raped. Her way of dealing with it was to get me to do the deed in a simular way, very forceful and aggressive. As she said it was how she thought it was done. Now I am very much the opposite, I prefer to be very caring and gentle thinking of my partner before me. Needless to say I was not happy with the relationship and ended it.

The poor girl was only 22 and I keep wondering if she ever came to terms with her ordeal and managed to have a more caring relationship.

DJ Spider

WindSock

carolmon wrote: »

just meant that I would've expected a bit more sensitivity here from the mods here, a bit more awareness...... i mean if the stats are correct 1 in 4 have experienced sexual assault so just to be aware who's posting and reading is alll,

Just because I moderate the forum doesn't mean I have to restrict my posting style because I may come across as insensitive or taken up the wrong way.
If you have a problem with me or my posts report them, go to feedback or put me on your ignore list.

Dragan

Thaedydal wrote: »

Well that is why I would not post things here that would be triggers with out a warning.

While i see where you are coming from i cannot really agree.

The title of the Thread is Chocolate Cake. Nothing in their about rape in anyway so in comes a rape victim thinking it is an innocent thread and BAM, some ****tards ridiculous comments about rape that sets off all the memories again.

Sure, it's a smaller example than what people are taking umbrage with here but the effect is the same.

My point is, if we are going to sit here and say this and that might happen then we can't really say anything , about anything, ever.

Everybody is up in arms here because the subject is rape, thats about it.

Under your own argument about triggers you would also have shown a degree of insensitivity because you gave no warning as to the thread content for those who may be affected adversely by it.

This however, would make no sense at all.

Dudess

Maybe Thaed felt if she gave the thread a serious title, certain Ladies' Lounge posters wouldn't be bothered reading it...

Nevyn

Trigger post are one that have explict details of a rape, the descriptions of certain acts which can hit replay on a victums mind suddenly and abruptly.

There are no trigger posts in this thread, maybe you don't know what that means in terms of rape, abuse and for the likes of cutters.

The Sweeper

.....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC!

Is the man from the BNP a pleb? Answers on a postcard to this thread!

I don't like locking threads, folks. Locking a thread is like shooting a little bird, never again will I hear its twittering song or see it's swooping flight.

However, as I'm a nasty bint at heart, I am not averse to clipping its wings, keeping it in a cage and teaching it every day to say 'Polly wants a cracker' in exchange for store-bought treats.

No more discussion about the title of the thread, Windsock's alleged insensitivity to rape victims, Thaed's alleged lack of warnings that the thread is about rape and not, in fact, cake, and what you allegedly expect from your moderators on this forum.

I am one of your moderators on this forum. This is what you can expect from me.

If you want to blow someone out of the water for not meeting your expectations, please, from here on feel free to use the PM function, leave it out of this thread.

Gordon

dfx- wrote: »

Rome Correspondent David Willey: "Ground-breaker in Italian legal annals"

That was on purpose right?

Jules

Yes thead, please next time post title... Chocolate Cake - Warning may contain traces of Rape! And i personally dislike the term Rape Victim. Victim is a weak word. And people who have been raped and live through it are not weak and should not be labeled as victims. Please pardon the off topic post.

Crumble Froo

meh, no more or less tahn victims of any other crime.

and i've seen people become complete victims of those circumstances. i've seen people survive through it and become stronger, fail to do so, and fall complete victim to their circumstances.

Nevyn

There is a difference between a rape victim and a rape survivor as crumble froo pointed out.