Mage or Warlock?

Einstein

so my lock is lvl 22 now, and have a lvl 8 paladin and lvl 6 night elf...
Think i like the paladin cos of the mix of magic and decent fighting/armour...
Should probably stick with three and leave it at that for a while Really wanna get my lock to 40 and get the mount with the firey feet

Psycopat

jason&arthur wrote: »

u prolly ent spamming haste/destruction pots, drums, stacking the raid perfectly etc. that plus they have better gear from actually farmin bt / hyj for a little longer than ya.

basically dont worry, 1.6k dps is fine for killing illidan and u wont have problems.

now if u have an average of 1k< that would be a problem

The top dpsers ie warlocks and rogues are using destruction pots and haste pots every cd but the rest of the raid ie our mages, shadow priests and hunters seem to always be about 2% behind us =/ dunno if their not pushing it to the max or what. Oh i forgot to say our fury warrior does absolutly insane damage, we killed council on our 3rd attempt this week and our fury warrior did 12% of the damage, a destro lock 2nd on 10.5% and myself ( destro lock) on third at 10.3%, followed by rogues and then the rest were well behind, it was a very clean kill and i think we had only 1 or 2 deaths the whole fight. theres also not much moving around and its a long fight so its a good judge of dps imo. cant wait to try brutalis and enjoy a pure damage nuke fest, im sure ill have my 4 part t6 at that stage


as for the leveling i got a pally at 41 for a long time and i tried to pick him up the other day and nearly died of boredom =/ out of my 3 chars lock/warrior/palla the lock has been by far the most fun to level

Anti

that mount will only cost you 2g too

Dellarocca

As an Afflcition Warlock, I can highly recommend them. I was able to farm 6 primal life in half an hour last night off the bog lords in Zanga. Dot dot dot.

If raids, I am usually the highest DPS (rogues sometimes beat me here).

Locks are fun. You can play them in a variety of styles. Liek all classes I suppose. But a lock should have ZERO downtime when levelling. They are simple to level.

jason&arthur

if youre an affliction warlock in a raid and youre coming top of the damage meters, you are in a very bad raid. it is a good spec for leveling tho

Dellarocca

I disagree. An affliciton lock obviously does their best 'damage, over time'. On a boss fight lasting 8-10 minutes, using good DoT rotation and trinkets and fully buffed, I see no reason why I can't be top of the damage meters.

Even with trash, I can cause a lot of damage. Trash mobs with 200k don't go down in a few seconds so I usually have time to get some decent damage off, especially of they are all being tanked and not CCd. I can cast my DoTs on the tanked mobs when others are still concentrating on the first kill. So all of my DoTs are ticking on ALL of the trash mobs. No-one else can claim to be able to do that. For example, 3 trash mobs = 3 groups of DoTs = maybe 1500-2000 DPS (am guessing here) or more being my output.

Decent rogues generally come out above me though. out of the (maybe) 4 rogues in our raids, 2 of them will outperform me.

BadCharlie

Have to agree with Dellarocca here. Your toon Class might not be the best to put out the most dps, or your spec might not be the best choice. But 1 thing that people over look time and time again is skill.

Some ways of people missing on doing more DPS.

I see it time and time again people doing noting in raids " Down time = no DPS " To slow to get going in boss fights ect.

Dieing in boss fights early on, by either not avoiding something or over aggro something. If they keep doing this on raid nights, they are just crap players. Im sure we all have 1 or 2 of them in each guild.

I find rogues intresting class to compair in my guild. We have 2 rogues that out dps the other 3 rogues by alot. Their gear all looks very much the same, Just 2 rogues have more skill then the other 3 i would sum it up.

Simple put you could be the best geared Lock in a guild. Have Destro spec and yet not finish in the top 5 ? why ? Cause gear dont buy you top dps spot if you dont have the skill to play your toon to get you the top.

Going to take another game which is not WoW. I play Cs or used to, me and my friend have the same gear on terroist side and both using the Awp. At end of game i have 48kills and 1 death. He has 15kills and 12 deaths.....

Our guild we have
2 Very good locks.
3 mages.
2 Rogues
2 Warriors.
1 Sham.
1 Hunter.

This is going by DPS on Recount, Hunters always on top!

jason&arthur

well if skill is an issue the raid has problems anyway

all equal skill (ie. a half decent raid) firstly a destruction lock will destroy an affliction lock. obviously not talkin kara level here but propper raids ie bt+

secondly affliction is not even considered a "dps" spec. its sub par to real dps specs and is only considered as support for reduced damage on tank and improved curses for real spec locks


trash is irrelevent.

assuming everyone knows how to max dps; heres how it goes

1. combat swords rogue
2. bm hunters / destro locks
3. fire mages
4. ele/enchance shemmies / arms or fury wars
5. ret pallys / spriest / affliction locks / frost mages / survival hunters


thats just how it is, not oppinion. fact.
disagree, ok, you're wrong.

Wreck

I'm not having a go at anyone or anything like that, but what some people seem to forget is the game is basically maths. And when you do the calculations it is clear that certain classes and certain specs will potentially have far greater dps than others. So when someone states that a non-optimal spec or class is regularly topping the dps in their raids, we are entitled to draw conclusions about the skill and gear level of the people involved. In the example given above of the affliction lock consistently topping the dps either he significantly outgears the rest of the dps or they are bad players.

I don't raid seriously anymore (although I'm thinking about getting back into it) but if a non-optimal class/spec topped the dps the officers and class leaders would come down heavily on the other dps in order to ensure that in future they did their jobs properly.

Dellarocca

There is an interesting point that 've been trying to decide on for a while.

When to go Destro. Our guild is only doing SSC/TK/MH atm. A few bosses down in each of these. We've gruul/maggy on farm. I've gotten no gear from any of them so still have my frozen shadoweave gear, spellstrike hood etc... Mainly crafted gear and Kara drops.

And any gear I see, it doesn't do my current spec any good. So if anyone has advice or a link to somewhere that points in the right direction for turning Destro, i'm all ears.

Psycopat

Dellarocca wrote: »

There is an interesting point that 've been trying to decide on for a while.

When to go Destro. Our guild is only doing SSC/TK/MH atm. A few bosses down in each of these. We've gruul/maggy on farm. I've gotten no gear from any of them so still have my frozen shadoweave gear, spellstrike hood etc... Mainly crafted gear and Kara drops.

And any gear I see, it doesn't do my current spec any good. So if anyone has advice or a link to somewhere that points in the right direction for turning Destro, i'm all ears.

imo to go destro aim for 140 spell hit and 22% crit unbuffed. something which i havent got is 22% crit, i only have about 18% unbuffed however i have 10% haste and 199 hit. i calculate every % of haste to be worth 1.3% crit as the more haste you have the more shadowbolts you put out, the more chances you have to crit. we took on illidan last night for the first time and got him to 6% (be prepared for a kill next week) and i decided to do a little test. there is another warlock in my guild with similar gear to me except he has more crit (about 25% unbuffed) where i have more 18% (unbuffed) but i have 10% haste and he has 1% we both are almost hit capped and he has slightly more spell damage than me but i beat him on damage each time. i was second on the meters with him on 3rd. we hava an insanely geared rogue who was beating us. strange that the other rogue was about 9th on the meter each time although i expect hes just a bad player tbh. you can play about with sockets to try and get the desired hit/crit but as destro untill you got good gear you cant be putting spell damage gems in your gear.

jason&arthur

hey Dellarocca i'd suggest speccing something like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IZcxczIbzZExotrhz0hi at your earliest convineice as u get practise with the spec ( altho it doesnt take much - sac succy and spam sbolt! ) theres also fire variations but from what ive heard they arent widely used, and when in doubt, follow the croud

main thing you need to do is value items with all 3 major stats (well 4 i guess since sunwell) - things like Belt of Blasting (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30038) are insanely good due to the way the stats are distributed. same with the chest from vashj and the BoP boots from tailoring - all awesome destro items.

basically i'd say ur gear currently (full fsw & spellstrike?) is fine for destro spec atm, maybe just give it a try

edit: as the cookie monster said, hit cap or near hit cap is important.
edit2: maybe you could post ur armory and we could critique? if u dont want to i understand ofc.

BadCharlie

Im leveling a lock my self at the moment. Going to use it more in pvp and if i do go & do some pve with it, i will go Dest spec.... for sure. I find they are so overpowering & fun to play. Just h8 the leveling porsess.

Dellarocca

jason&arthur wrote: »

edit2: maybe you could post ur armory and we could critique? if u dont want to i understand ofc.

Can't access armoury in work.

however, link to imba

Server - Steamwheedle Cartel (EU)
Character - Glissandro

Any help appreciated. Thanks.

jason&arthur

man your guild name is awesome, props.

first action to take is to respec destro! 8)

if i were you i'd farm up 30 badges 15 primal fire and 4 imbued netherweave and get me a Belt of Blasting - it would be a huge huge upgrade for you and its (relatively) easy to get.
if you enjoy heroics, replace that headless horseman rubbish & go for a http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28227 Sparkling Arcanite Ring, it may be blue but wow its an awesome ring. if you can, the upgrade to it is in ZA timed run called Mana Attuned Band. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33497
for bracers go for the ole' welfare epics. sure they're pvp but even remove the resiliance and they are awesome. slap a +4 crit/ 5 dam gem in and ur good to go Veteran's Silk Cuffs http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32820

those are the only easy upgrades i can think of right now, but as u know urself as progression moves on u'll find good gear coming to you :P

but dont gear before you spec! then you'll never respec! jump in at the deep end

Dellarocca

Cheers. The name is pretty cool alright.

And thanks for the advice. I'm never any good at researching these things. Just usually see what drops and if I need, then need

Belt of Blasting here I come...