Phones on Planes?

GrahamThomas

From the BBC website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7334372.stm

Mobile phone calls will be allowed on planes flying in European airspace under new European Commission rules.
The decision means that mobiles could be used once a plane has reached an altitude of 3,000m or more.
It follows six months of consultation by the European regulator and the first services could launch next month.
Viviane Reding, the EU telecoms commissioner, has warned operators to keep the cost of calls made on planes at a reasonable level.
"If consumers receive shock phone bills, the service will not take-off.
"I also call on airlines and operators to create the right conditions on board aircraft to ensure that those who want to use in-flight communication services do not disturb other passengers," she said.
The European Commission has introduced new rules to harmonise the technical requirements for the safe in-flight use of mobile phones.
The commission is also making it possible to enable the national licences granted to individual airlines by a member state to be recognised throughout the EU.
The decision to offer the services now falls to individual airlines. However, there are other regulatory hurdles to overcome before the technology is considered to be fully approved.
The European Aviation Safety Agency still needs to approve any hardware that would be installed in aircraft to ensure that it did not interfere with other flight systems.

How does the system work?
The plan is to install small mobile phone base stations, called pico cells, in aircraft that will be switched on after take-off. The base station generates a bubble of coverage in and around the aircraft.
Calls made via the pico cell will be routed to terrestrial networks via satellite link. Across Europe radio spectrum has been set aside for the technology.
The services could stop working once aircraft leave European airspace.
Martin Selmayr, spokesman for Ms Reding's office, said that flight captains would be able to switch off the on-board service if they felt it necessary.
Initially, only second generation networks will be offered but growing interest would mean that third generation, or 3G, services will follow.
The first flights offering calls could start as early as next month.
Air France is believed to be ready to deploy the technology while Ryanair is expected to submit an application.
The cost of making a mobile phone call from a plane will be higher than making one from the ground.
In the UK, regulator Ofcom said it would investigate and address any evidence of "excessive charges and abuses of competition" if prices were set unfairly by airlines and mobile networks.
Ms Redding has said the EC had no plans to cap the cost of calls made on planes.
The European Commission backing means planes registered in one country would be able to offer mobile communications services to passengers when flying over other EU countries without having to apply for additional national licences.

Wonderful.

As if flying wasn't already enough of a tortuous ordeal, we now have to deal with being trapped in a confined space beside some snot nosed little b**tard and his 4 minute long Rihanna ring tone.

From now on I'm only traveling by ferry.

Rb

Ugh, as if screaming babies weren't enough.

They'd better put tight restrictions in place or this is going to be a nightmare.

Ruu_Old

*hears 10 Mexican Hat dance ringtones going off at once* Watch the mobile operators rip off people even further. Whatever about phones on the plane, people should be able to wait a few hours of flying time before needing to call. The whole world is in a big rush, slow the feck down! Ban babies from planes I say, little whingers getting to board first. :mad:

Mossy Monk

"Oh hi Billy, I am on the plane. What? THE PLANE."
You hear these idiots on buses. You do not need to shout.

No thanks to the rule change. It is fine as it is.

arseagon

It'll probably be the same as the mobile phones on the Ferries. Extortionate rates to make and recieve calls while roaming on the planes network. I'll stick to turning my phone off thanks.

GrahamThomas

Mr.S wrote: »

Id rather see Wifi introduced anyway. at least that would be something worth paying for.

or is that already done?

+1, I think Wifi on board would be far more sensible and useful.

Creamy Goodness

Mr.S wrote: »

wtf are you on about? i mean, overreact much?

apart from the ring tone, what difference is talking into a phone, then talking to the person next to you?

but you won't be like shouting into the person beside you saying "HELLO, I CAN'T HEAR YOU, NO I'M ON AN AEROPLANE...AN AEROPLANE!"

Random

Would rather all mobile services were introduced except calling myself. Or else have calling area on the plane lol

Rb

Mr.S wrote: »

wtf are you on about?

I would have thought it was pretty clear. Want me to slow it down a little for you?

Mr.S wrote:

i mean, overreact much?

No.

Mr.S wrote:

apart from the ring tone, what difference is talking into a phone, then talking to the person next to you?

"Hi, I'm on the plane..no THE PLANE..I'M IN AN AIRPLANE RIGHT NOW...I'm fine...I SAID I'M FINE BIT ANXIOUS AS USUAL THOUGH HA HA HA"

It's absolutely unnecessary and I'll happily break any little f*cker who decides to play ring tones to pass the times phone should it come to it.

Ruu wrote:

Ban babies from planes I say, little whingers getting to board first.

Well, I think just checking them in with your luggage would be a better idea. Store them in the luggage area beneath the passengers on the plane, it's what they do if you're transporting animals so if you knock a baby out before the flight it should be fine down there for the duration...I think. Or have a special compartment for them and have a "nanny" service provided by the airline where they go and check on them.

Overheal

Mr.S wrote: »

wtf are you on about? i mean, overreact much?

apart from the ring tone, what difference is talking into a phone, then talking to the person next to you?

My Noise Cancelling HEadphones. I use them for cancelling out the engine noise on planes. Works wonderfully. I can actually sleep.

However, apply a running cellphone within a few feet of that and all you hear is that ****ing ANAL(ogue) INTERFERENCE from someones stupid phone. BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP

Then you have to switch off your noise reduction and listen to the woman next to you talk about her prostate for 45 minutes.

That happened on a train to limerick last year. I couldve killed her.

zuutroy

Get these mother****in phones, off this mother****in plane.

de5p0i1er

arseagon wrote: »

It'll probably be the same as the mobile phones on the Ferries. Extortionate rates to make and recieve calls while roaming on the planes network. I'll stick to turning my phone off thanks.

I'm with you there, I hope more ppl do the same.

GrahamThomas

Mr.S wrote: »

Rb_ie

read my posts again, why would you shout into the phone? unless the service is crap, and you can only hear every 2nd word, then its going to be the same as using the "landline" phones in planes - you can talk in a normal voice, your not going to be shouting AIRPLANE every 2 seconds, like some mentally challenged whos having fun with a phone are you?

For some reason a lot of people have yet to grasp the simple fact that you don't need to raise your voice for phone to pick it up.

See it quite often on the bus, usually some guy in a suit shouting orders (and doing some permanent hearing damage) to the poor person at the other end.

daiixi

Mr.S wrote: »

read my posts again, why would you shout into the phone? unless the service is crap, and you can only hear every 2nd word, then its going to be the same as using the "landline" phones in planes - you can talk in a normal voice, your not going to be shouting AIRPLANE every 2 seconds, like some mentally challenged whos having fun with a phone are you?

Because a lot of the world is made up of mentally challenged idiots who think that just because it's a mobile phone that they have to yell. If you've never come across them then you're one lucky SOB.

The most annoying part about mobile phone conversations is that they're one sided, you can't listen in OR the sound level is so high it sounds like the person on the other end is shouting through a mega-phone.

There's no reason why people need to be contactable while they're on plane. Surely if there is something so important going on in your life that you can't be contactable for up to 12 hours then you'll either (i) not fly or (ii) leave someone else in charge!

Creamy Goodness

Mr.S wrote: »

Rb_ie

read my posts again, why would you shout into the phone? unless the service is crap, and you can only hear every 2nd word, then its going to be the same as using the "landline" phones in planes - you can talk in a normal voice, your not going to be shouting AIRPLANE every 2 seconds, like some mentally challenged whos having fun with a phone are you?

you don't even have to be shouting for someone to be totally ott on a phone, many of times you can hear people at the opposite end of the bus than you on their phones, this will be more noticeable on a plane as you're stuck there for longer than you are on a bus.

Rb

Mr.S wrote: »

Rb_ie

read my posts again, why would you shout into the phone? unless the service is crap, and you can only hear every 2nd word, then its going to be the same as using the "landline" phones in planes - you can talk in a normal voice, your not going to be shouting AIRPLANE every 2 seconds, like some mentally challenged whos having fun with a phone are you?

What Daixxi, GrahamThomas and Cremo said.

You should get out more imo.

Toto Wolfcastle

Ugh this is a crap idea. Why do people need phones on a plane? It'll be a popular idea though because I've seen so many obnoxious people talking on their phones at take off. Poor air hostesses have to practically pull it away from their ear.

Depends on whether the airlines decide to run with the idea.

Anyway, from now on I'll be confiscating my mother's phone before she gets on a plane because she shouts when she uses it.

Bazzy

What'll happen if you happen to be on a ryanair flight? Will the call be routed to a house near where your trying to call and a shuttle bus will take the phone to your destination?

I think this is a fantastic idea. But maybe if they brought in some guidelines with it to do with noise reduction - no ringtones allowed and people cannot raise their voices. This is somewhat the case regardless. But if you feel so strongly about it, buy noise reduction earphones. Because, by the looks of it, your pointless arguements isn't going to do a damned thing, so the only way you can avoid it is by just not flying.

But then again, if you don't fly, we wouldn't have to listen to ye lot complaining about pointless things for hours and hours and hours.

Ruu_Old

rb_ie wrote: »

Well, I think just checking them in with your luggage would be a better idea. Store them in the luggage area beneath the passengers on the plane, it's what they do if you're transporting animals so if you knock a baby out before the flight it should be fine down there for the duration...I think. Or have a special compartment for them and have a "nanny" service provided by the airline where they go and check on them.

Yeah, you could probably fit a fair few babies in the luggage area, just stack them I suppose. Now I can't get the image of baggage handlers tossing babies to each other.

Ruu

Ruu wrote: »

Yeah, you could probably fit a fair few babies in the luggage area, just stack them I suppose. Now I can't get the image of baggage handlers tossing babies to each other.

Or babies with "Fragile" stickers across their nappies.

"Frag-eel-eh? What does that mean?"

mdebets

So we have now to spread the rumour that Al Quaida is trying to blow planes up with mobile phones. That'll get them soon banned again.

Then up to the next rumour about babies and bombs.

robinph

GrahamThomas wrote: »

For some reason a lot of people have yet to grasp the simple fact that you don't need to raise your voice for phone to pick it up.

See it quite often on the bus, usually some guy in a suit shouting orders (and doing some permanent hearing damage) to the poor person at the other end.

People shout into the phone in noisy places because they cannot hear the echo of their own voice in the ear piece. All it needs is for the phones to detect the ambient noise levels and turn up the volume of the echo that they give you to allow for it and people will stop shouting, well some will.

Jay D

yeah it's going to be interesting to listen to little girl skanks going on about their surroundings and maybe a nice patronising comment or two thrown in for good measure.

I have to say though, I only ever have bad flights going to Spain.

Anywhere else has been grand.

Gummy Panda

BAH!!

Who needs a phone on a plane except maybe a business man who probably is flying business class anyway?

I look forward to hear the knack girls on the plane on how they "got da finger!!" in some club/beach in spain.

BTW, me and my mate where sitting on a bus going into town via Dorset st. We were sitting on the chair behind the bus drivers compartment. All you could hear from a group of girl knacks upstairs was "you got ya riodeeeeeeeeeee!!" "I only got da finger!!". This went on for awhile. We were in tears laughing. The old dears in front of us weren't as impressed.

Davidius

Hey...I was on a plane today. =D

Sure am glad I'm not going to Spain anytime soon or ever.

Dun laoire

Complaining about a fuking mobile phone. Moany *****

Overheal

BOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP DEDEBOOP BOOP.

Anyone using a phone next to me in a plane is going to receive nothing but hurt.

Steve

They already have in-seat phones on most domestic US flights.

Nobody uses them because they are too expensive (least I've never seen one being used and I traver there quite a bit).

I suspect the same will be true of here. It will be a fad as it's new but will quickly die due to the cost.

ircoha

Why not fones, they allow jack rabbits, they both buzzzzzzzz
http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/rx9000.htm will do the job

I'm sick of little tarts and scanger blokes on trains and buses, especially buses, blaring 32k MP3 ringtones out of their crappy phone speaker. Seems it's about to happen on planes too now.

Xavi6

I really don't think I'll be able to stomach my flight back to Ireland with some wanker behind me having a completely pointless conversation on the phone. It'll be a nightmare more so with longhaul flights as people will only make calls to pass the time.

JC 2K3

Surely this will cost an extortionate amount?

Especially where ryanair are concerned...

I wouldn't be too worried about people making annoying phonecalls tbh.

af_thefragile

Mythbusters proved mobiles phones don't interfere with aircraft equiptment in anyway.
Using you phone in a plane will make no difference to the aircraft.

masseyno9

af_thefragile wrote: »

Mythbusters proved mobiles phones don't interfere with aircraft equiptment in anyway.
Using you phone in a plane will make no difference to the aircraft.

irrelevant much??

The issue is about annoying passengers with loud voices on phones. It all depends on the costs if this idea is to take off (pun unashamedly intended!). My thoughts are it will be prohibitively expensive, except for the business class passengers, most of whom use the sat phones anyway.

biko

Sweet, I can join the mile high club with my laptop and Vodafone's Mobile Connect 3G broadband data card.
Shuffles off toward the toilets with lappy

Drift

Charging extra for it is a load of balls. When you're flying over land you can normally pick up one of the ground based antennae anyway and make a call as normal.

Btw it wasn't me that did this!!! I was on a plane in Egypt a few years ago and the guy in the seat in front of me was on his phone for most of the flight.

Don1

No calls, maybe texts, only silent. If that's too much too ask, outright ban.

Children should be sedated. 11 hour flight with a very young teething (constantly crying) child and a bastid toddler in front of me, accompanied by inadequate parents = hell. If the opening in the toilet was larger I'd have attempted flushing them.
If sedation is a little harsh, restraints and gagging tape could be used.

A do not disturb section (3/4 of the plane please) would also be nice. I'm sorry but I don't feel the need to talk to a stranger for 5 hours. After the initial 10-15mins it becomes strained and annoying.

Some means of odour control would also be most beneficial.

Zulu

Pfffftt, what's with all the disgruntled peasants today?
I must say I'm delighted, now my secretary has no excuses, lazy cow.

Hrududu

read my posts again, why would you shout into the phone? unless the service is crap, and you can only hear every 2nd word, then its going to be the same as using the "landline" phones in planes - you can talk in a normal voice, your not going to be shouting AIRPLANE every 2 seconds, like some mentally challenged whos having fun with a phone are you?

Have you never been on a bus or a train? Some people are incapable of speaking quietly into a phone. The same person can chat quietly to the person beside them but then make sure everyone on the bus can hear them when on the phone. It probably doesnt bother some people but i have a ridiculously low level of tolerance for unecessary noise in public. And thats just normal people. Thats not counting the clowns that will be blasting Cascada through their tinny speakers.

Ruu_Old

I was on some airline a few weeks ago, can't remember who it was (some US based carrier) but they had some very, very old landline type handsets in them and they were marked AT&T. They were placed in the headrests in front of you. I assume they were used for emergencies or something else.

Steve

Drift wrote: »

Charging extra for it is a load of balls. When you're flying over land you can normally pick up one of the ground based antennae anyway and make a call as normal.

Btw it wasn't me that did this!!! I was on a plane in Egypt a few years ago and the guy in the seat in front of me was on his phone for most of the flight.

AFAIK that will work with the older analogue systems, not with GSM as you change cells too quickly and the data packets get lost.

Don1 wrote: »

No calls, maybe texts, only silent. If that's too much too ask, outright ban.

Children should be sedated. 11 hour flight with a very young teething (constantly crying) child and a bastid toddler in front of me, accompanied by inadequate parents = hell. If the opening in the toilet was larger I'd have attempted flushing them.
If sedation is a little harsh, restraints and gagging tape could be used.

A do not disturb section (3/4 of the plane please) would also be nice. I'm sorry but I don't feel the need to talk to a stranger for 5 hours. After the initial 10-15mins it becomes strained and annoying.

Some means of odour control would also be most beneficial.

QFT.

The only thing worse is when you get a kicker behind you.:mad::mad::mad:

Ponster

af_thefragile wrote: »

Mythbusters proved mobiles phones don't interfere with aircraft equiptment in anyway.
Using you phone in a plane will make no difference to the aircraft.

A couple of hundred phones all working at once in a plane could cause a risk. One phone won't make a difference. You mustn't have been correctly watching the episode anyhow because they did prove that the phone did interfere with the cockpit instruments.

thelordofcheese

Zulu wrote: »

Pfffftt, what's with all the disgruntled peasants today?
I must say I'm delighted, now my secretary has no excuses, lazy cow.

/Monocle On

Exactly, if the rabble can't afford their own plane for jaunting around the place then they should stop complaining and work on not being so damn poor.

honestly these lower classes confound me no end..

/Monocle Off

4Xcut

Ruu wrote: »

Ban babies from planes I say, little whingers getting to board first. :mad:

I and i'm sure a good many others too would be quite willing to pay a premium for childless flights. But in fiarness, its not children's fault(if they're very young). Parents are just sh1te. If i had behaved that way when i was a nipper.....well i just wouldn't. I think we were just taught that there was a certain way to act in public and that was it.

Carbiens

I work for a company thats practically pioneering this feature. Voice calls are not allowed on flights, its strictly GPRS and SMS only with support on the way for 3g.


Lurk moar.

Drift

stevec wrote: »

AFAIK that will work with the older analogue systems, not with GSM as you change cells too quickly and the data packets get lost.

This was a few years back alright so it is possible he still had an analogue phone although they were gone out of ireland at the time. I think it was around 2004.

Peteee

Drift wrote: »

Charging extra for it is a load of balls. When you're flying over land you can normally pick up one of the ground based antennae anyway and make a call as normal.

As pointed out if everyone did this, everyone would be switching cell towers every few seconds, and the amount of handover traffic would bring down the network. Also theres a greater risk of cross cell interference.

It has little to do with instrument interference AFAIK.

As usual wiki has an article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft

Drift

Peteee wrote: »

As pointed out if everyone did this, everyone would be switching cell towers every few seconds, and the amount of handover traffic would bring down the network. Also theres a greater risk of cross cell interference.

It has little to do with instrument interference AFAIK.

As usual wiki has an article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft

Read the article .. interesting stuff. So what would happen in theory if I forced my phone to use a signal from a ground based tower as opposed to one from Michael O' Leary's "Rape you up the arse" Tower? Would my call drop after a few minutes/seconds? Or would I be able to make one at all. AFAIK some people on board the planes on 9/11 used their mobiles?

Overheal

af_thefragile wrote: »

Mythbusters proved mobiles phones don't interfere with aircraft equiptment in anyway.
Using you phone in a plane will make no difference to the aircraft.

Yeah tell that to my noise-canceller headpho-DOBEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP BEDEBOOP

whatever standard they use in that states though for their cell towers has removed that issue.. but youre talking about european carriers here.

Beerlao

oh dear. i seem to have stumbled upon the Daily Mail's forums.

oh wait...



god forbid people might be talking on phones, aaaarrrrrggggh it's PC gone mad
catch a grip people, put some music in your ears and go to sleep. i agree with the lordofcheese

could be worse, could be snakes