wacky backy?

[WoW]

hey ladies, just wondering do any other girls get angry/ annoyed if/when your bf smokes it? just hate it for some reason and want to see if any other girls feel the same?!

Catari Jaguar

Yes, it annoys the sh*t outta me. I wanna smack him upside his head. Just get an image of dope head slackers and honestly I expect more... And I think its dangerous, to brain cells, organs and sperm etc

He uses the "its safer than drink" excuse. But then, again, I'm not keen on seeing people I care about locked off their heads. At least alcohol is legal...

If we had a kid some day I couldn't even tell them not do smoke hash because "Daddy used to do it" :mad:

[WoW]

exactly! he also uses the 'its safer than drink' excuse. i wouldnt mind if it was once every 1/2 months but its every week n hes always skint aghh! :mad: mayb i should give him the ultimatum again...:o:eek:

Dragan

Out of interest have either of you ever smoked "wacky backy" or have any well researched views to argue against it's use?

[WoW]

no thats why i added 'for some reason', but i really cant see how it could be good for you??

Susannahmia

No I don't get annoyed but then again he only smokes it once in a blue moon. As would I. I get far more annoyed if he is smoking a normal cigarette, hate the things.

Everything is ok in moderation.


My uncle however was cannabis dependent until my aunt threatened to leave him. It turned him into a selfish dopey waster. If that ever happened to an oh of mine I would leave them.

watna

No, I have no problems with it. Generally if he's partaking in things, drink, "wacky backy" or whatever, then I am too.

I suppose I could understand if it's all he did and didn't do anything with you because he was mashed all the time but I don't see the harm if it's not excessive.

Dragan

[WoW] wrote: »

no thats why i added 'for some reason', but i really cant see how it could be good for you??

Well the simple fact of that matter that eventually everything we do plays some small role in our eventual demise. The foods we eat, the air we breath and the things that we place in our bodies.

Eventually you just have to realise that we are not all finite creatures regardless of the stops we take so you just need to make the decision to do what it is that makes you happy to the degree to which you are willing.

For example we can live a health life for good or bad reasons or an unhealthy life. For my money, smoking a bit is a far better option for some people than drink and vice versa.

I have always maintained that we all have our things that dissagree with us and you need to make an adult decision about things. Lately drink has been disagreeing with me so i have stopped drinking. Smoking however is not so i am still doing that. I live a pretty "healthy" life on one hand looking after what i eat, going to the gym etc and on the other i have this aspect which while might be somewhat contradictory to the other side is something that makes me happy.

In the same way as some folk get drunk i'll have a few smokes and then be about my photography usually. It's something i have read about and checked into and am happy enough to feel is a safe thing for me to do.

I would not enforce my current opinion about alchohol on another simply because i had no experience or have recently had bad experiences.

Eact to their own and all that.

[WoW]

to be fair dragon, u sound like u do balance it all out and im sure it would be fine in moderation and all that. i just dont like him smoking because it makes him sick sometimes and hes really underweight, his moods go up and down and now his mother has kicked him out because of it. im proably making him sound terrible here, hes not all bad! but yea i know i dont have any experience with it but felt the need to talk about it!

JC 2K3

IME and from what I've read on Boards and elsewhere online, girls seem to be a lot less open minded when it comes to drugs than guys, and I've no idea why.

Dragan pretty much hit the nail on the head with his post.

If someone's smoking so much that it's affecting their day to day moods, then they're probably overdoing it, but then again, people's moods naturally fluctate regardless of drug use and drugs tend to get blamed unfairly for this in a lot of cases.

smiler26

Dragan wrote: »

Out of interest have either of you ever smoked "wacky backy" or have any well researched views to argue against it's use?

I smoked a bit over the last few months - usually a chilled Saturday night with some music and friends over.... but I had a really bad time of it one night, and swore I'd never touch the stuff again. However, many of my friends smoke a lot longer and a lot more than me, and have never had a bad high. I'm just not comfortable with it anymore. Have nothing against it though!

I think its down to the individual adult to make an informed decision about whether to smoke or not - and moderation is key to everything

fits

[WoW] wrote: »

hey ladies, just wondering do any other girls get angry/ annoyed if/when your bf smokes it? just hate it for some reason and want to see if any other girls feel the same?!

Lil Kitten wrote: »

Yes, it annoys the sh*t outta me. I wanna smack him upside his head. Just get an image of dope head slackers and honestly I expect more... And I think its dangerous, to brain cells, organs and sperm etc

I would maybe get annoyed if it was a habit to an extent that it affected his life. But that would be the same with anything (drink, internet, etc)

Otherwise.... meh.... it wouldnt bother me. But then I have the odd smoke myself. I could think of far worse things one could be doing.

If it bothers you that much... get out of the relationship.

Dragan

[WoW] wrote: »

to be fair dragon, u sound like u do balance it all out and im sure it would be fine in moderation and all that. i just dont like him smoking because it makes him sick sometimes and hes really underweight, his moods go up and down and now his mother has kicked him out because of it. im proably making him sound terrible here, hes not all bad! but yea i know i dont have any experience with it but felt the need to talk about it!

To be honest it sounds like your boyfriend falls in to the catagory of people i would say should really not smoke. At least not at this moment in his life if it is affecting him that badly.

Personally, from what i have read up and researched there is no actually physical addiction with smoking, not like nicotene and alchohol and coke and such. Rather it is a psychological addiction as users tend to associate it with relief from pressures in their life, so then whenever they feel any kind of pressure the naturally look to what they feel works for them.

Maybe try and have a good chat with your boyfriend and see if he is worried about other aspects of his life?

Quality

My Oh doesnt do smoke or other drugs, Its usually him giving me dirty looks if I partake at it during a party or that.

He hates the fact that I can roll as well....

his drug of choice is football, when he is not playing he is watching... It would be more fun if he were a stoner.

fits

Quality wrote: »

his drug of choice is football, when he is not playing he is watching... It would be more fun if he were a stoner.

I'm so glad my OH isnt into football.

watna

fits wrote: »

I'm so glad my OH isnt into football.

Me too, mine isn't really in to any sport, except cricket, which isn't really on tv much. It's great!

allabouteve

A small selection of articles on the subject, all pointing in the same direction..............www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070731125526.htm


The evidence seems to point conclusively that even moderation is a risk, and that the risk isn't moderate. Don't shoot the messenger.

Red Hand

I don't know whether you can equate alcohol with cannabis smoking. The body is able to break down alcohol in the liver-it has enzymes to do so. Not sure if the body is going to break down the tars, noxious gases and the other nasty things in smoke-be that cigarette smoke, cannabis smoke or a smokey, eye watering open fire.

Dragan

allabouteve wrote: »

A small selection of articles on the subject, all pointing in the same direction..............www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070731125526.htm


The evidence seems to point conclusively that even moderation is a risk, and that the risk isn't moderate. Don't shoot the messenger.

I had a look through the source studies and all i could find was a pretty poorly researched subject. They didn't seem ( maybe someone else can find it ) to have actually checked beyond a simple "have you smoked or not" as to how extensive a persons experimentation with drugs were. As such, we don't know what else the people who were tested may have taken and obviously there are some far worse things out there than smoking a joint.

And i will happily say that the people who would smoke would be more likely to continue there own experimentation in drugs perhaps.

I have seen much better studies that this one, i'll have a dig around and find them.

JC 2K3

allabouteve wrote: »

A small selection of articles on the subject, all pointing in the same direction..............www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070731125526.htm


The evidence seems to point conclusively that even moderation is a risk, and that the risk isn't moderate. Don't shoot the messenger.

There's nothing conclusive about that study whatsoever, in fact, there's never been any kind of conclusive study done directly linking cannabis to mental illness.

Every study done about cannabis comes to the same conclusion, and depending on where the study's funding comes from, it will report one of the following:
1)There is little to suggest that cannabis is directly linked with mental illness.
2)Cannabis could possibly increase the risk of mental illness by <insert the largest percentage for some kind of mental illness in some age group found in the study here> per cent.

The problem with the first one is that it should include "...despite a correlation between cannabis use and mental illness in persons with a predisposition to mental illness".

The problem with the second one is it should include "..but this is only based on correlative evidence between cannabis use and mental illness in persons with a predisposition to mental illness". Another problem is the general public tends to overlook seemingly insignificant, but extremely important terms, in this context, such as "could possibly".

Unfortunately, the general public don't actually read studies beyond the title and perhaps the newpaper article written by an equally clueless journalist. They'll agree with either the pro cannabis headline playing down any potential risks or the tabloid-esque shock headline which makes cannabis out to be incredibly dangerous, depending on whatever view they already have on the issue.

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

I don't know whether you can equate alcohol with cannabis smoking. The body is able to break down alcohol in the liver-it has enzymes to do so. Not sure if the body is going to break down the tars, noxious gases and the other nasty things in smoke-be that cigarette smoke, cannabis smoke or a smokey, eye watering open fire.

Firstly, that's fairly bad science based on your own unsupported reasoning. And anyway, even if it's true that the inhalation of any kind of smoke is more harmful than the consumption of alcohol, that's an argument against ingesting any drug through smoking rather than against cannabis. You can eat cannabis and vapourise it, which remove any of the harmful effects which smoking may have.

scoot on

Smoking doesn't bug me that much. And tbh he doesn't do it very regularly. I'd say the most he smokes the wacky backy is once or twice a year. But on very rare occasions he takes some Coke. And that bugs the feckin **** out of me. I don't really know why, i know it's only a tiny bit, and I know it's only once in a blue moon (literally once every 18 months) but it still annoys the hell out of me. A good few of his friends are well into that scene and I know he stays out of it on purpose, and I love him for that. But the few times he's done it in our 7 years together just does my head in completely!

It's more of a me issue though I think. I mean I can't understand the girls in this thread that give out about their fellas and football. I'm well into football and sports in general and have no bother watching or going to matches with my oh. So each to their own I suppose.

RuailleBuaille

[WoW] wrote: »

i just dont like him smoking because it makes him sick sometimes and hes really underweight, his moods go up and down and now his mother has kicked him out because of it. im proably making him sound terrible here, hes not all bad! but yea i know i dont have any experience with it but felt the need to talk about it!

Are you sure it's weed he's smoking?

Myself and my OH both smoke weed very regularly and it sucks.
Yes I realise the answer to that sentence is a no brainer, I'm trying!

Crumble Froo

watna wrote: »

Me too, mine isn't really in to any sport, except cricket, which isn't really on tv much. It's great!

lucky you, did you know that they have a sports radio station here? first thing i tend to hear most mornings, especailly when he cant sleep... two dudes just talking about sports, wahtever the most recent matches were, then the news "and they do the sports news before the normal news - how cool is that?!" ... my boyfriend loves it. :rolleyes:

on topic, nope, it doesnt bother me. lived with people who would smoke it pretty much daily, and didnt botehr me then either. i prefer it to cigarettes, and well, most people are better at being high than they are at being drunk.

fits

Crumble Froo wrote: »

first thing i tend to hear most mornings, especailly when he cant sleep... two dudes just talking about sports, wahtever the most recent matches were, then the news "and they do the sports news before the normal news - how cool is that?!" ... my boyfriend loves it. :rolleyes:

you poor thing...
I dont mind guys playing football as such, its the boring conversations about managers and players and teams and the watching of 300 games a week that gets me! Its so boring! I dislike soccer players and their wags and the obscene money and the whole scene anyway. Just not into it.

I actually believe (from personal observation and experiences) that heavy use of cannabis is not healthy. I had one particular type one time that nearly sent me over the edge as well, so I can see how it might trigger a psychotic episode, and I'm wary enough of the stronger strains since.

So heavy use would probably get to me, yes. The odd joint at the weekends wouldnt.

Crumble Froo

i quite enjoy watching a game of football. and have even halfwatched a rugby match since i got here. but cricket, netball, basketball, rowing, boxing, car racing...

i really dont care. especially to hear talked about.

what about moderate use of weed? like, 2-4 joints most days, and a fair few over the weekend? a good friend of mine would be like that, have lived iwth him for a while, and cant say it would bother me. like i say, id rather that than bleedin tobacco.

fits

Crumble Froo wrote: »

what about moderate use of weed? like, 2-4 joints most days, and a fair few over the weekend? a good friend of mine would be like that, have lived iwth him for a while, and cant say it would bother me. like i say, id rather that than bleedin tobacco.

Once there were no negative effects, I wouldnt mind.

That much would affect me, but not everyone.

ali.c

I only smoke maybe once or twice a year if that these days. Since hte majority of people i socialise with dont do it anymore. If it was a social thing it wouldnt bother me at all but if it was a daily habit i think i'd take it about as well as if he was having a few drinks everyday.

I am now i think about probably quite any drugs in general though tbh, i wouldnt lke the idea of my OH out popping pills or doing coke. Though maybe its because i smoke (albeit infrequently) that i consider wacky backy different to other drugs, i'd rate it about the same as alcohol. Dragan kinda hit the nail on the head with different substances affecting different people differently and them not suiting everyone

JC 2K3

ali.c wrote: »

I am now i think about probably quite any drugs in general though tbh, i wouldnt lke the idea of my OH out popping pills or doing coke. Though maybe its because i smoke (albeit infrequently) that i consider wacky backy different to other drugs

Probably. This is the same reason the general population has no problem with alcohol, but a big problem with other drugs.

Personally, from what I've read and from (my somewhat limited) experience, I'd consider moderate E use to be probably less harmful than moderate cannabis use, and I certainly wouldn't consider either to be much more harmful than the other. Coke is a different story.

Crumble Froo wrote: »

what about moderate use of weed? like, 2-4 joints most days, and a fair few over the weekend? a good friend of mine would be like that, have lived iwth him for a while, and cant say it would bother me. like i say, id rather that than bleedin tobacco.

I'd consider that pretty heavy use...

Moderate cannabis use is a few joints one or two nights a week IMO.

I think using any kind of recreational drug daily is inadvisable. It mightn't be physically unhealthy, but you shouldn't need to take something to relax every night.

DublinWriter

scoot on wrote: »

It's more of a me issue though I think.

Without going down the whole "Drugs are bad, m'kay?" route, do you think it's more of a control issue with yourself?

Frankly, I'd be more worried about him doing the Class-A Devil's Dandruff once every 18 months than imbibing grass once a month.

scoot on

DublinWriter wrote: »

Without going down the whole "Drugs are bad, m'kay?" route, do you think it's more of a control issue with yourself?

Frankly, I'd be more worried about him doing the Class-A Devil's Dandruff once every 18 months than imbibing grass once a month.

Yes, probably.

The grass doesn't bother me. It's only a rare occassion anyway, normally at a gig or festival. The coke is a bigger thing with me. Even though he mightn't take any for 2 years, I don't understand why he does it at all since it's not something he does regularly. He never lies about it and is completely straight up when I ask him about it. It still annoys me though.

JC 2K3

scoot on wrote: »

I don't understand why he does it at all since it's not something he does regularly.

Because it's fun, and done in such disciplined moderation, pretty unharmful?

seaner

are u being serious JC 2K3?

JC 2K3

Emm.. yes?

You can't seriously believe that cocaine use once every two years is likely to be very harmful....

Crumble Froo

haha, i was quite anti drugs til becoming good mates with a druggy... other than the come down the next day(ish)... i really dont see any problem with coke. i'd agree with jc 2k3

seaner

ok thats your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I would have to strongly disagree.

I think its dangerous and unhealthy to use coke. I don't think you can justify its use by saying its done so irregularly and only occasional.
When people realise that its not socially acceptable the better.

Silverfish

Turning into a drugs debate. Not really what we want.