Cheating online! - Poll

ocallagh

Yes to 2,3 and 5

ionapaul

Yes to 2, but as Hotspur said, not for nefarious purposes. The site called me a day later and deleted my old (un-used) account upon consultation, no problem. I could see 3 being fine in many instances (coaching, etc...).

RedJoker

1. No
2. No
3. Yes, coaching via skype and aimpro, I had a bad internet connection at the time so there was terrible lag which meant I couldn't really get an opinion anyway. I often had my action in before I got an opinion on it and nearly every time he said to do what I had already done (within a BB or two). I ended up losing money for the session.
4. No
5. No

denashpot

cheating at online poker is for scumbags! shame on the cheaters!!:(

Rb

Yeah to #3.

Requiem4adream

With regards to #3, it's clearly the most widespread and pandemic of all the above. So many people have aim/msn/yahoo messenger, and talk to friends online. I know without msn or aim my days would be a lot longer. Sometimes i'd be close to a FT and i hit TIME on a tricky decision and a friend would ask "whatcha got?" and i'd say "2 pair" or whatever. Personally whatever they say next will never influence me, im my own person if i think 2 pair is good i call, if i think im behind i fold. Simple as that. Even if you go a step further and if i say to them "i have 2 pair what would you do?", their answer is still pretty much irrelevant, you might as well ask yourself "what would Phil Ivery do here?" because at the end of the day it's you and you alone at the mouse who can call/raise/fold.

How about a situation where you're in Vegas for the WSOP and go up to the hotel room to play a tourny online and your mate sits beside you when you play.... obviously you're gonna discuss hands but the decision is yours and you're gaining no more of an advantage than you would by having a poker book open beside the laptop.

If the poll asked how many here have multi-accounted a tourny/colluded/chip-dumped etc i'm pretty sure it'd be close to 0.

dougee19

1. no, but i did lend it to people so its kind of a yes. i just didnt buy it or sell it, i dont abuse friends
2. yes, many a time, many a site
3. yes
4. no, being honest, i really should and probably will in the future.
5. yes(never allowed anyone play for me unless connection went, and have played a good few when people go away from computers)


so its more or less 4/5 with 5/5 coming up


i also like this one

6. have you ever used someone else's account to abuse the image they have on the site

6. yes

:D:D:D

Ollieboy

I post this thread in relation to people's view on the Sorel thread.

Most people have cheat in some form, but see this as part of the game, or if someone else does it, its ok for me to do it. We all seem to have a very relax attitude to the rules of poker online.

I've said for ages, if all athlete's were allowed to take drugs, it would level the playing field, this view seems to be a common thread in most peoples reponses.

I don't think any one poster felt he was gulity of cheating, but many were and many more that decided not to post were a response.

The answers are irrelevant, but it proves that some type of cheating is widespread at all levels.

Just to give people my view of online cheating.

MTT - lots of top pro players using multi-accounts in the same tournaments. Also a number of players using share databases on players to gather information. Very few players if any really are buying accounts. I think Sorel is 1 example, but most people have to much pride in themselves to sell a account when they have the chance to win a major event. Collusion is there, but not widespread, biggest problem is with multi-accounts, where chip dumping can go on, but the odds of overcoming a 3000 plus playing field is so slim, that this advantage is very small in percentages. I think 8/10 tournments are safe and cheating effects them very little.

STT - due to the high rake on these games, cheating is not really worthwhile unless you can get 1, 2 most of the time. It would take a lot of playing STT to make it profitable over a long period of time. I do believe there is people using average players in the start of these games, etc. But table selection is important in STT, so cheating is not going to give you that big of advantage. 7/10

CASH - I think cheating and collusion here can be widespread. Its so easy to have 2 or 3 friends on the same table, using the same bankroll and using there table position to win a lot of pots without showdown. I can't imagine that cheating is not profitable in cash games 5/10

Just my general view, I also think cheating is widespread at cash tables in Vegas, I've notice a lot of regular players team up on tourist and clean them out at a table. I remember 3 years ago sitting at a tables, cleaning out 2 pro's to only come back the following night with the table been set-up with now well know female player joining us, one nice juicy seat left for me and the blinds had been doubled from the night before. I walk by and went to a different casino, but I feel there is easy money to be made in live poker if you can also work as a team.

tipp86

With regards to stts.I see a crazy scenario with irisheyes where players can sit at a computer and play the same stt as the player sitting next to them.There is widespread collusion going on as there is many internet cafes in ireland specifically for this sites use.Its the only site i know that allows this maybe im wrong?

OilBeefHooked2

hotspur wrote: »

I have:
2. Set up several accounts on same site without permission. But never for nefarious purposes.
3. I have chatted on a messaging service with a player I was playing with in the past and maybe a couple of time mentioned hands, but quite parenthetically. Certainly never intending to gain an advantage.
5. I have played tournaments for other people once or twice, but never taken over one once it started.

And I still regard myself as being entirely scrupulous in my online play. There's a whole world of difference between violating terms and conditions and cheating in the sense that we ordinarily mean it. Just like there's a world of difference between lending someone a DVD and making and selling copies of it.

If you aren't trying to gain an unfair advantage then it isn't cheating in my eyes. F*** terms and conditions, if you read them closely enough they all say the site has a right to come over to your house and fist you while singing the American national anthem. I'll take my ethical guidance from gambling companies when I take health advice from Marlboro.

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DEEP THROAT

Ollieboy wrote: »

Have you cheat online:

If you have done any of the following than your answer should be yes.

1. Purchase or sold your account to another player so he could use it.
2. Set-up 2 accounts on the same site without permission from the site operator
3. Use MSM or Skype etc to discuss hands while in play and these discussion influence your decision
4. Set up or used a current account to share with other players to win additional rake or prize's etc.
5. Allowed someone else to use your account to finish a game for you or did like wise for them.

Feel free to add additional type of cheating that you think full-fills the critera.

57% of respondents say they never have "cheated".....

57% of respondents don't have more than one i-poker account....

Read the small print you can't have 2 even if it is through a different skin.


Ollie tbh most of these cheating mechanisms seem to be more of a social interaction with friends and not part of the systematic and aggressive online cheating that happens ( the ones that make money from it!!!!! )

Figure out how to stop that rather than 2 mates discussing hands ( when there is only one of them with a hand ) or people using the same account to get better rake back etc...

On the subject of MSN it reminds me of a funny story I heard about 2 well known regular posters from Cork who tried a bit of hand sharing whilst playing omaha on the full tilt site.... The focus moved from MSN to FT as he clicked die ( this """AQAUTIC MAMAL""" isn't the brightest ) and he proceeded to type AC7H2SQD into the chatbox during the hand.......:eek::eek::eek: