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Water Price shocker, the hidden truth.

  • 10-02-2008 2:04am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,844 ✭✭✭✭


    So I was in a pub with some friends this evening and not being a drinker of alcohol, soft drinks or sh1tty concentrated fruit juice, I asked for the only drink that appeals to me, a pint of water. I was told the tap water was dirty due to roadworks in the area. So because I actually needed the water and it wasn't just for the sake of sipping, I ended up paying €2.70 for it and then I discover it's only 250ml:eek:

    So €2.70 x 4 = €10.80 per litre.

    When I was in France last, I bought 10 x 2 litre bottles of water in a supermarket for €1.10.

    The same quantity of water from the pub would have cost me €216, that's 196 times more expensive and to top it all off, it was water from Coca Colas Deep River Rock line:(

    And no I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't need it. What a rip off!


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Try buying a bottle of river rock from as pub in Paris and see how much it costs. Not exactly a fair comparison!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,448 ✭✭✭Lazare


    What a retarded comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,448 ✭✭✭Lazare


    Also, we have FREE drinking water here, that's a helluva lot cheaper than France if my figures are correct.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭wandering_star


    Out of curiosity what about Guinness over there?
    (I really have no idea here, just curious)

    Lazare, that's a bit harsh.
    Edit:
    Ok, now read your second post, see where you're coming from, kind of, still initially harsh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    You are comparing the price of water in a pub to the price of water in a supermarket in France? Terrible example.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    I have been in some of the cheapest areas in France and the dearest. Prices in Paris for drink can be dearer. In the countryside it can be cheaper.

    But of all countries, France is not particularly cheaper than here!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Lazare, that's a bit harsh.
    Edit:
    Ok, now read your second post, see where you're coming from, kind of, still initially harsh

    It's not harsh enough. The comparision is that retarded that I am assuming he is taking the piss..


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    It's not harsh enough. The comparision is that retarded that I am assuming he is taking the piss..

    Oh I get it now... hook, line, sinker...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Oriel


    If you "don't drink" then don't drink.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,448 ✭✭✭Lazare


    I paid €4.90 for a pint the other day, in 1982 my Dad bought one for 48p, what a rip off!!!: :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Ah jaysus Cormie, surely you're smarter than that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,844 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    I know it's obviously different in a pub as opposed to a supermarket, but 196 times more expensive is what I'm pointing out. The countries, establishments and brands are irrelevant, it's the difference in price for the same product that's shocking.

    Oriel, what do you mean by "if you don't drink, then don't drink" :confused: I needed water.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,352 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    I paid (or more accurately, my company paid) €11 for a beer in Paris two years ago, so that means that France is more than twice as dear as Ireland. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,448 ✭✭✭Lazare


    cormie wrote: »
    The countries, establishments and brands are irrelevant, it's the difference in price for the same product that's shocking.
    .


    Well why the thread title? I'm fcuking sick of all this 'Ireland is sh1t' crap, we're a WHOLE lot more comfortable here than most countries, not to mention previous generations. Stop fcuking complaining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I pay €1.25 for 5 litres of water here in the wesht of Ireland. €1.10 for 20 litres is a great price, I very much doubt you'll get that price in any pub/resturant in Paris Or anywhere else.


    You lie!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    cormie wrote: »
    So I was in a pub

    ...

    When I was in France last, I bought 10 x 2 litre bottles of water in a supermarket for €1.10.
    The important bits are highlighted. Oh, and I can get the water free in a pub, so that's like, 110 times less expensive than in France.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    A decent comparison would be:

    In tesco here, it's €.90 per litre of Evian Mineral Water
    In France, it was €0.055 per litre

    Therefore, on a similar basis, Ireland (for drinking water) is 18 times more expensive than France.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,844 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Lazare wrote: »
    Well why the thread title? I'm fcuking sick of all this 'Ireland is sh1t' crap, we're a WHOLE lot more comfortable here than most countries, not to mention previous generations. Stop fcuking complaining.

    Even though the first post says edited at 2:39, I actually opened it up to change the title before you made that reply, it took me that long to come up with a title that wouldn't offend:rolleyes:

    As I said, the countries are irrelevant. It's not an Ireland is a rip off thread, or else I would have posted in the relevant forum ;) simply pointing out a huge difference in price. Relax folks, don't always be looking for an argument, you wont get one from me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    New title is goood


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    cormie wrote: »
    Even though the first post says edited at 2:39, I actually opened it up to change the title before you made that reply, it took me that long to come up with a title that wouldn't offend:rolleyes:

    As I said, the countries are irrelevant. It's not an Ireland is a rip off thread, or else I would have posted in the relevant forum ;) simply pointing out a huge difference in price. Relax folks, don't always be looking for an argument, you wont get one from me.
    Oh ya, Yo Moma! :cool:


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    meh, I paid $4 for a bottle of Water (591ml) in new york last week

    supply and demand,

    if your willing to pay the price, i fail to see why your complaining


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,448 ✭✭✭Lazare


    cormie wrote: »
    Even though the first post says edited at 2:39, I actually opened it up to change the title before you made that reply, it took me that long to come up with a title that wouldn't offend:rolleyes:

    As I said, the countries are irrelevant. It's not an Ireland is a rip off thread, or else I would have posted in the relevant forum ;) simply pointing out a huge difference in price. Relax folks, don't always be looking for an argument, you wont get one from me.

    Fair 'nuff. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    meh, I paid $4 for a bottle of Water (591ml) in new york last week

    supply and demand,

    if your willing to pay the price, i fail to see why your complaining
    Was this on the street?

    They'll rip you off once they hear your Irish accent. To the natives they wouldn't dare charge that.

    I remember one of the hotdog stalls near Macys sold me a bottle of coke for $2, went to another and the guy actually paused before asking me for $4. I needed the drink and couldn't see another stall so said fck it but I know the natives New Yorkers would have told him to shove it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,844 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    It's a pain in the ass in the airport too, you can't bring water through security so once you pass, your only option if you want water is to buy it in the shops, the going rate in Dublin Airport seems to be €2.40 for a litre of the good stuff, I've never paid full price for it though, got it for €2 twice by just saying "would you take 2 euro for it?" ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    Lazare wrote: »
    I paid €4.90 for a pint the other day, in 1982 my Dad bought one for 48p, what a rip off!!!: :rolleyes:
    Tesco lager = 99c :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    rb_ie wrote: »
    Was this on the street?

    They'll rip you off once they hear your Irish accent. To the natives they wouldn't dare charge that.

    I remember one of the hotdog stalls near Macys sold me a bottle of coke for $2, went to another and the guy actually paused before asking me for $4. I needed the drink and couldn't see another stall so said fck it but I know the natives New Yorkers would have told him to shove it.

    Weird, been there 4 times in the past 3 years and never experienced this..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭Dizzyblabla


    In Norway, I pay 24 NOK for a bottle of water in the shop, that's €2.99 for a 750ml bottle plus the 2.5NOK 'pant' to make you bring it back and recycle it... so €3.30 if you don't want to bring the bottle back...
    sometimes I wish I was still at home :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    cormie wrote: »
    the going rate in Dublin Airport seems to be €2.40 for a litre of the good stuff

    The good stuff??? Is there a difference? i would assume all water bottling plants would have to comply to certain standards and regulations before selling water to the general public.

    Or is this just buying into branding? It's water you wear - but it'll cost you €2 more than the shop brand.


    Coming back to your original post and the cost of bottled water in a pub - you're paying for the drink, and the use of the facilities and the service. you wouldn't expect to pay the same for a meal in a restaurant as you would for a take away, why should a pub be any different?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,844 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    By "the good stuff" I just meant water, not any particular brand of water. Water being healthy and essential = water being the good stuff :)

    Again, I'm not arguing the fact I'm using a pubs premises etc, simply pointing out the huge price difference. Although your points lose validation considering had the tap water been drinkable, it would have cost me nothing for a pint, I may have even got a little bit of lemon thrown in too :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Obviously the only solution here is to start drinking petrol. Shop around and it can be had for as little as €1.14 a litre. You'll need your own bottle though, and it's probably better if you're a non-smoker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Jay P


    How come no one has anything about teco water. Only 33c for 2 litres. I think yiz all know the moral. Buy a bottle of tesco water before you go out. Simple.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Jay P wrote: »
    How come no one has anything about teco water. Only 33c for 2 litres. I think yiz all know the moral. Buy a bottle of tesco water before you go out. Simple.

    Hide it in your jacket and just pour it into your glass when the barman isn't looking :D
    Weird, been there 4 times in the past 3 years and never experienced this..

    Yeah I've never heard of that either. Been to New York a good few times over the last few months and I never had that problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Extraplus


    Try buying a bottle of water in a nightclub in Ibiza. After paying your €50 entry fee you will be charged €12.50 for a 500ml bottle of water.

    So that means that Spain is at least twice as expensive as Ireland...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭FunkZ


    Well to be honest man that's what happens when ya don't drink, you know when ya get ripped off. Had ya been drunk you wouldn't have given a flaming ****e. Man I'm hungover...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    orla wrote: »
    Hide it in your jacket and just pour it into your glass when the barman isn't looking :D
    I have actually seen people smuggling in coke in pubs, makes sense, it costs more than beer.

    200ml of coke is €2.80 in my local, 2000ml is around €1.40 in tescos with offers, so about 20 times the price, but it is fairer to compare small bottles with small bottles. A lot of beer is just twice the price. The biggest difference is the €1 bottles that could be €5.50 in some pubs. Another weird thing is the pricing of beer vs soft drinks. In supermarkets you get massive discounts going for bigger bottles, while beer usually costs more for larger containers.

    I would expect to pay €2.70 for water in a pub, I would expect, I wouldnt pay it.

    You cant compare the price to supermarkets though. That is like saying a cake cost X in a restaurant but flour only costs X.

    A fairer comparison would be saying my bottle of beer costs 5 times as much in a pub, and water costs 10 times as much. But if you do that you will find that the €2.70 for the 250ml bottle was a (relative) bargain. I doubt you would get the exact same chilled bottle in a shop at the same difference beer can be got.


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    Lazare wrote: »
    Also, we have FREE drinking water here, that's a helluva lot cheaper than France if my figures are correct.

    You don't pay water rates?


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    rb_ie wrote: »
    Was this on the street?

    They'll rip you off once they hear your Irish accent. To the natives they wouldn't dare charge that.

    I remember one of the hotdog stalls near Macys sold me a bottle of coke for $2, went to another and the guy actually paused before asking me for $4. I needed the drink and couldn't see another stall so said fck it but I know the natives New Yorkers would have told him to shove it.

    Ellis Island tbh, But i see your Point


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 570 ✭✭✭BrandonBlock


    Extraplus wrote: »
    Try buying a bottle of water in a nightclub in Ibiza. After paying your €50 entry fee you will be charged €12.50 for a 500ml bottle of water.

    So that means that Spain is at least twice as expensive as Ireland...

    The only ppl who buy water in ibiza clubs are people out of their heads on acid and pills (which is pretty much 90% of the people in eden/pacha/etc). Those people don't drink alcohol hence, the clubs have to make their money somehow!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Moonbaby wrote: »
    You don't pay water rates?

    Assuming he's talking about his house then no he wouldnt be paying for water.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Bottled water is subsidised in some European countries. I know it's like that for Portugal anyway.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well I do for my house, the house and farm are on a meter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Stekelly wrote: »
    Assuming he's talking about his house then no he wouldnt be paying for water.

    If you pay taxes then you are paying for water. It is like people moaning about having to pay for rubbish collection, did they think the bin men used to do it out of the goodness of their hearts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    I paid 10 euro for 3 pairs of socks the other day in BT2. In the 80s, I got 3 pairs of socks from a street market in Bulgaria for less than 20c.

    SHOCKING!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭Donald-Duck


    Tusky wrote: »
    I paid 10 euro for 3 pairs of socks the other day in BT2. In the 80s, I got 3 pairs of socks from a street market in Bulgaria for less than 20c.

    SHOCKING!

    The most shocking thing about that is that you got more than 1 pair of socks in BT2 for less than 10 euro :eek:


  • Posts: 5,869 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lazare wrote: »
    Stop fcuking complaining.

    Exactly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭mr kr0nik


    cormie wrote: »
    So I was in a pub with some friends this evening and not being a drinker of alcohol, soft drinks or sh1tty concentrated fruit juice, I asked for the only drink that appeals to me, a pint of water. I was told the tap water was dirty due to roadworks in the area. So because I actually needed the water and it wasn't just for the sake of sipping, I ended up paying €2.70 for it and then I discover it's only 250ml:eek:

    So €2.70 x 4 = €10.80 per litre.

    When I was in France last, I bought 10 x 2 litre bottles of water in a supermarket for €1.10.

    The same quantity of water from the pub would have cost me €216, that's 196 times more expensive and to top it all off, it was water from Coca Colas Deep River Rock line:(

    And no I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't need it. What a rip off!

    I assume there was no ice available then...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    Ha! I never get over people turning their nose up at tapwater when I ask them do they mean bottled or tap, then they come out with "Put ice in it". I mean do they not put two and two together?

    Edit: The ice could have bought in, like we had to do in Galway last year.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,663 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    i think its shocking to be charged €2.70 for a 250ml bottle of water. Regardless of the OP's comparison, its still shocking.

    Of course we are a nation where people dont vote with their feet or exercise price sensitivity. Pretty pathetic when you think about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,844 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Tap water is fine with me, and the annoying thing was, my friend went up to order a water with a splash of blackcurrant and another barman said the same thing about the water, but that he'd check, and it turned out to be fine and she got her pint of blackcurrant!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    faceman wrote: »
    i think its shocking to be charged €2.70 for a 250ml bottle of water. Regardless of the OP's comparison, its still shocking.

    Of course we are a nation where people dont vote with their feet or exercise price sensitivity. Pretty pathetic when you think about it.
    Nation? more like planet...

    A pub will charge about €25 for 250ml of spirits which costs me about 20-25cent to make.


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