€250,000 for the Orange Men

KTRIC

Our glorious leaders have decided to piss our hard earned tax Euro's up against the wall and hand over €250,000 to the Orangemen :eek:

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mheyqlojcwau/

What's next, give them their own county ?






Oh and WHOOOOOOOO , 4000th post

big_show

Oh, nice!


*Onslow voice

biko

KTRIC wrote: »

€250,000 to the Orangemen

In Cavan, Monaghan, Leitrim and Donegal, not the North.

Ste.phen

There's an Orange Order presence in those counties?

KTRIC

biko wrote: »

In Cavan, Monaghan, Leitrim and Donegal, not the North.

Yes, that being my point.

whiskeyman

maybe it's just a sweetner so they won't do any marches in Dublin again?
I'm sure the 'Love Ulster' incident cost well over €250,000 in policing and damage costs...

prendy

lol i thought this thread was about the cost of them walking images on oconnell street!!

big_show

Oh and WHOOOOOOOO , 40000th post

where are you hiding the other 36,000? :P

KTRIC

big_show wrote: »

where are you hiding the other 36,000? :P

I was so excited that my finger slipped, has been amended to a more modest 4000. :rolleyes:

biko

KTRIC wrote: »

Yes, that being my point.

Your point is that the gov is giving money to a religious order in the Republic?
Unlike their Northern "cousins" the OO in ROI is a quiet crowd. What is your issue with giving them less money than it costs to build a small house?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

KTRIC wrote: »

Our glorious leaders have decided to piss our hard earned tax Euro's up against the wall and hand over €250,000 to the Orangemen :eek:

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mheyqlojcwau/

What's next, give them their own county ?






Oh and WHOOOOOOOO , 4000th post

YOUR hard-earned euro*? Aren't these guys' hard-earned euro* not just as likely to wind up being pissed away on some bog-forgotten catholic junket by the same government?

*perhaps the money would be better spent on teaching people how to pluralise the word 'Euro'?

Or, judging by the title, have you got something against fat naked blokes advertising tango?

KTRIC

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Or, judging by the title, have you got something against fat naked blokes advertising tango?

Why yes, yes I do. Fucking Tango :mad:

gurramok

biko wrote: »

Your point is that the gov is giving money to a religious order in the Republic?
Unlike their Northern "cousins" the OO in ROI is a quiet crowd. What is your issue with giving them less money than it costs to build a small house?

Thing is the OO are a sectarian organisation, this is PC madness pissing money like that for the sake of the 'peace process'.

humanji

I was hoping that the government were organising an Irish version of the Blue Man Group

biko

gurramok wrote: »

Thing is the OO are a sectarian organisation

Indeed, any organisation excluding members because of their religion should not receive money.
United Irishmen ftw!

Dinter

biko wrote: »

Indeed, any organisation excluding members because of their religion should not receive money.
United Irishmen ftw!

Have to agree.

I doubt I could I apply for a grant if I was going to use it to set up a club where white Irishmen (of at least three generations standing) could bewail the number of foreign nationals in the country. Maybe I could have a march every year to celebrate the Limerick Pogrom where we Irish ran the Jews outta town.

Orange order are by their very existance, sectarian and thus should not to be supported, or, as the money is coming from the exchequer, state sanctioned.

mdebets

Isn't that discrimination based on colour?
The red, yellow and blue men want money too.

thelordofcheese

KTRIC wrote: »

Our glorious leaders have decided to piss our hard earned tax Euro's up against the wall and hand over €250,000 to the Orangemen :eek:

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mheyqlojcwau/

What's next, give them their own county ?

Oh and WHOOOOOOOO , 4000th post

Yeah, i'm outraged!
They should have gotten three times that at a minimum, do you have any idea how much those glourious orange sashes cost? You can't just go and buy them down in tuppin' lidl y'know!

Terry

So the Irish branch of the KKK get a government grant.
Next week it's the turn of the former IRA members who celebrate the Omagh bombing. It's the same thing really.
The OO celebrate a murderous bastard, so do the IRA. Equal rights for all, right?

Killaqueen!!!

Nothing surprises me anymore with out government. But I would've thought they'd give away tax money to the IRA before the OO.

Fratton Fred

Shocking. They'll be giving money to the GAA next:rolleyes:

Terry

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Shocking. They'll be giving money to the GAA next:rolleyes:

Nice comparison there.
We all know the GAA have been guilty of associating with known murderers and supporting terrorists.

Fratton Fred

Terry wrote: »

Nice comparison there.
We all know the GAA have been guilty of associating with known murderers and supporting terrorists.

I think that would be fair to say for the NI Orange Men, but not south of the border. If it is right then I stand corrected and withdraw my comparison.

I don't think any pseudo political organisations should get money though, especially as they are perfectly capable of generating all they need by themselves.

Terry

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I think that would be fair to say for the NI Orange Men, but not south of the border. If it is right then I stand corrected and withdraw my comparison.

I don't think any pseudo political organisations should get money though, especially as they are perfectly capable of generating all they need by themselves.

They carry the same banner.
They are the same organisation.
They just happen to be based in a different country.

Fratton Fred

Terry wrote: »

They carry the same banner.
They are the same organisation.
They just happen to be based in a different country.

point taken.

for the record, I fail to see why they have been given this money, but I also fail to see why a lot of organisations are given money.

How much does a Sinn Fein TD earn by the way, is this not the same thing?

Dinter

Fratton Fred wrote: »

point taken.

for the record, I fail to see why they have been given this money, but I also fail to see why a lot of organisations are given money.

How much does a Sinn Fein TD earn by the way, is this not the same thing?

Roughly as much as a UUP MP does.

Fratton Fred

Dinter wrote: »

Roughly as much as a UUP MP does.

probably not actually (But that is a different subject), but I take your point.

Both should be banned from getting anything imho.

Gran Hermano

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

*perhaps the money would be better spent on teaching people how to pluralise the word 'Euro'?

If you're referring to the unnecessary apostrophe, fair enough.

Otherwise both euro and euros are correct for the plural
of euro - with euros more accepted as the plural in English.
http://europa.eu.int/comm/translation/writing/style_guides/english/style_guide_en.pdf.

The euro. Like ‘pound’, ‘dollar’ or any other currency name in English, the
word ‘euro’ is written in lower case with no initial capital and, where
appropriate, takes the plural ‘s’ (as does ‘cent’)

lostexpectation

this is terrible its a sectarian organisation beyond any other comparison.

shouldn't be giving it any money, although this is a separate company, I mean you could think of the gaa or church relateds charities, they allow would help anybody I hope atleat this charitable company does the same. as opposed to the OO

robby^5

Fratton Fred wrote: »

How much does a Sinn Fein TD earn by the way, is this not the same thing?

A Sinn Fein TD is elected by voters, that TD gets paid as all TD's do (its a job, they get paid for it :rolleyes: ) Its really quite different, if the orange men want to earn money sure they can try and get someone elected This is basically a handout supporting an organisation that discriminates against the majority of the people who live/were born in this country.

Fratton Fred

robby^5 wrote: »

A Sinn Fein TD is elected by voters, that TD gets paid as all TD's do (its a job, they get paid for it :rolleyes: ) Its really quite different, if the orange men want to earn money sure they can try and get someone elected This is basically a handout supporting an organisation that discriminates against the majority of the people who live/were born in this country.

I was referring to the support of terrorism, which sinn fein do as much as the Orangemen do.

can anyone tell me what it means to be an Orangeman and what they philosophy is? It would be interesting to see how much people know about them as opposed to what they think they know.

gurramok

Fratton Fred wrote: »

can anyone tell me what it means to be an Orangeman and what they philosophy is? It would be interesting to see how much people know about them as opposed to what they think they know.

That ain't hard, you don't know???

They uphold the right of Protestant religion to be the superior religion where they reside.
They do not accept any other religion and uphold their religion as the righteous one in Britain especially when it come to the monarchy.
They do not accept anyone from any other religion in their membership.
They walk where they like, they parade where they like on the 'queens highway' to parade.
They do not recognise the Parade's Commission
They are not allowed to attend anything especially Catholic like funerals, mass, christenings etc.
They play and sing offensive songs about a certain race of people(you can guess this one )

Here's some simple explanation
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/1422212.stm

bbc wrote:

It regards itself as defending civil and religious liberties of Protestants and seeks to uphold the rule and ascendancy of a Protestant monarch in the United Kingdom.

The only membership criteria is that an applicant is Protestant

Morlar

'€250,000 for the Orange Men'

Those ****ers are a lot cheapr on ebay - typical public sector overspend.

Fratton Fred

they sound worse than freemasons...feck em all:D

cooperguy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I think that would be fair to say for the NI Orange Men, but not south of the border. If it is right then I stand corrected and withdraw my comparison.

I don't think any pseudo political organisations should get money though, especially as they are perfectly capable of generating all they need by themselves.

Its a bigoted discriminatory organisation that doesnt allow either woman or anybody of a religion other than protestantism join. On that basis alone it should not be funded

Dudess

Igy wrote: »

There's an Orange Order presence in those counties?

There's an Orange lodge in Bandon, Co Cork.

Gran Hermano

Dudess wrote: »

There's an Orange lodge in Bandon, Co Cork.

And several in West Africa.

randylonghorn

Lord, I honestly don't know what I think on this one ... 90% of me thinks "No! Sectarian organiation, associated with violent partisan hate crimes, etc."

But there is a bit of me thinks that if only as a symbol that says "We want all sides to get over themselves and move on, and get on together ..." it may be cheap at the price. Lord knows our government spends more on even dafter things.

I would be very interested to know what exactly the money is to be used for ... the info is not especially detailed.

KTRIC wrote: »

I was so excited that my finger slipped ...

Bet you say that all the time!

Bass Cadet

If my tax money is going towards the Orange Order, then does that mean as a Roman Catholic I can join the organisation if I want? Or perhaps use their facilities if I wish? Isn't this why we pay tax? I'm away to get onto the grand wizard or whatever the fack they call themselves, cause my girlfriend wants to join too....oops, we can't we're not WASP

Bigotted, sexist, sectarian organisation gets money from the government? O'Cuiv is an apologist for the very people who hate him and his kind because of his nationality and religion

More news today that An Post are to commemorate the burning of native irish Catholics out of their homes following the Flight of the Earls in 1607 in 'Ulsters Plantations' -no joke

kmick

Anyone ever here of the concept of 'kill them with kindness'. You normalise an organisation like that and you take all the spit and fight out of it. They are no longer the refuge of the besieged. I think its genius. Look at Sinn Fein - since it got normalised it has been losing support. Its only 250,000 - I bet we spend more each year cleaning up chewing gum on grafton sreet.

See a quote form this article referenced above
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/1422212.stm
But in 2000, one senior figure said that the Orange Order was losing moderate members because it was increasingly dominated by politics, "ignorance and malevolence".

The Real B-man

Riot anyone?

Fratton Fred

cooperguy wrote: »

Its a bigoted discriminatory organisation that doesnt allow either woman or anybody of a religion other than protestantism join. On that basis alone it should not be funded

Bass Cadet wrote: »

If my tax money is going towards the Orange Order, then does that mean as a Roman Catholic I can join the organisation if I want? Or perhaps use their facilities if I wish? Isn't this why we pay tax? I'm away to get onto the grand wizard or whatever the fack they call themselves, cause my girlfriend wants to join too....oops, we can't we're not WASP

Bigotted, sexist, sectarian organisation gets money from the government? O'Cuiv is an apologist for the very people who hate him and his kind because of his nationality and religion

Both posts could easily apply to the Catholic Church as well.

Oh the Irony.

WhiteWashMan

KTRIC wrote: »

Our glorious leaders have decided to piss our hard earned tax Euro's up against the wall and hand over €250,000 to the Orangemen :eek:

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mheyqlojcwau/

What's next, give them their own county ?






Oh and WHOOOOOOOO , 4000th post

i know, they should give even more money to that GAA. That would show them proddie basatrds

randylonghorn

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Both posts could easily apply to the Catholic Church as well.

Oh the Irony.

Ah, wait now, let's keep it accurate.

The Catholic Church lets women join no problem, just doesn't let them wear such nice dresses on the altar or play with as many of the toys ...

Black Swan

No Orange Men in Orange County.

randylonghorn

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

No Orange Men in Orange County.

Got a better quality of fake tan over there, have they?

Black Swan

Some of us actually sunbathe, but in moderation, so that we will not turn into lizard-skinned people when older. And although my tan is light, it's not artificially orange... So I'm not an Orange (Wo)man in colour (or troubles politics for that matter).

Saruman

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

*perhaps the money would be better spent on teaching people how to pluralise the word 'Euro'?

+1
Brilliant

I do not think the money should have been given to an organisation that discriminates and will not allow a catholic to join. and while they do have a woman's version, women can not join the same group as the men.

Both posts could easily apply to the Catholic Church as well.

Oh the Irony.

Does the catholic church get money from us taxpayers? If so then they should not either... no religious order should get taxpayers money in grants from the government. that money comes from people who do not believe in their religion and would never attend their service.. hell im including catholic's in this... how many still go to mass? Once they have their communion money most people are done with the church. From what i can see anyway.

kmick

Yeah I looked it up and in 2005 we spent 250,000 cleaning up chewing gum from Dublin streets. if we consider the Orange Order as a pack of chewed gum and that we need 250,000 to remove this useless gum from our streets then it seems rather cheap.

Saruman

250k could have easily paid for a few facials for our glorious leader

mikemac

Saruman wrote: »

Once they have their communion money most people are done with the church. From what i can see anyway.

Have any friends get married lately?
Attend any funerals in the last few years?

Whatever about funerals, I always wondered why people aren't seen in Mass for years but then have a Church wedding

Badly offtopic though, might start a new thread