Sunday 10th feb, midday - 62/63 middle abbey street, Scientology Dublin - Who's in?

Tellox

Since the other thread is moreso debating whether there IS an 11am on sunday, this is for anyone who's actually interested in making a protest against the Scientology center on Abbey Street. Gotton a few PM's so far, hope to see those faces repost here

Starting at Midday as some who have shown interest would need to get the train etc etc, and 11am is too early a mobilisation time.

The basic gist is a protest outside the building - Pickets, flyers, etc etc. The point of it all is for public and media awareness. Tying in with the London protests should get us more attention. Protest should go on until about 5/6pm. Youre obviously free to break for food etc at any time.

Wear a mask of your choosing. V masks are available on Amazon.com for about $9.99 USD.

And just to be clear, Protest is considered fail if;
A) Someone gets violent
Gardaí are called in to move us along
(lots of reasons this could happen, especially blocking pedestrian traffic).
C) People get disorganised and start wandering around aimlessly.


Also, David O'Doherty is on at 8:30 that night, if anyone's interested in that either

Post up here if you're interested, and let me know what country youre coming from.

Gordon

There isn't a Sunday 2nd. I thought it was the 10th?

Jesus Wept

Can we have a scientology forum? A subsection of The Thunderdome perhaps.
Why not stick it in religion?

It's taking over AH.

Why scientology is the thing that motivate you to take to the streets?
I will never understand.

sidneykidney

Is the 2nd not a saturday

Hal1

V is for http://www.philipcoppens.com/vendetta_07.jpg

Tellox

Edited now, 10th of feb - my apologies.

Guy:Incognito

Everyone should wear Tom Cruise masks.

I enjoy the odd protest, but I have this sneaking suspicion that protesting about Scientology will give them publicity, thus they would win. It's like the Westboro Baptist Church or bears, just ignore them and someday they'll go away.

Hopefully.

Voodu Child

Why on earth would you wear a mask to a protest..? And what on earth has V for Vendetta got to do with Scientology?

Just to clarify - Is this an actual protest, or an excuse for nerdy comic-book types to get out of the house, re-enact scenes from their favourite movies and chant immature 'We are legion' type slogans...?

Hal1

The OP suggested masks etc whatever turns you on...

Winters

Its just an awareness campaign for people to become aware of what Scientology is and how dangerous the cult is.

If people want to know more they will no doubt come across the crimes, torture and illegal activity of the cult through a quick google. Without knowledge more people will become idiots like Tom Cruise.

With high profile celebs supporting the cult it gives the impression that they are something good and legitimite when infact they are nothing more than a dangers pyramid scheme that will stop at nothing to silence anyone that speaks out against it.

Tellox

voodoo_child wrote: »

Why on earth would you wear a mask to a protest..? And what on earth has V for Vendetta got to do with Scientology?

V is the associated mask, you can wear whichever one you want.
And because you dont want your face/profile associated with scientology. Never good to be on their bad side.

Also: Thread is for anyone who is interested in attending, not for

voodoo_child wrote: »

Just to clarify - Is this an actual protest, or an excuse for nerdy comic-book types to get out of the house, re-enact scenes from their favourite movies and chant immature 'We are legion' type slogans...?

In any case, no, I've already stated the purpose of the protest. Please re-read my original post.

Superfluous

I'm in.

If you don't know what the hubbub is, look up wikipedia, xenu.net and whyaretheydead.net. It's more serious than you realise - maybe not here at the moment, but some day if it's gone unnoticed.

martin84

watched a good doc called The Bridge. ya can get in the usual places.

Wiki Entry

monkeyfudge

Isn't the mask from V a Guy Fawkes mask? I don't get the connection.

Will you be protesting all the other crackpot religions as future events? Those Magdalene laundries weren't too long ago, and probably much worse than anything the church of Scientology has ever done.

Wreck

When are we going after all the other religions? Can we do Lutherans next and then maybe shia muslims?

Tellox

Wreck wrote: »

When are we going after all the other religions? Can we do Lutherans next and then maybe shia muslims?

Sorry, we have no interest in targetting religions, the protest is against a tax-exempt business.

Tha Gopher

Wait.....they have rented property on abbey street?

Who the fook paid for this?

Im not religious but as long as they dont take it to the street protesting curb everyone elses freedoms level I can respect anyone having faith in catholicism, Islam, any christianity, Judaism (as long as they arent Zionist i.e. racist and anti Palestinian)

But seriously, Scientologists are retards.

Tellox

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Wait.....they have rented property on abbey street?

Who the fook paid for this?

Im not religious but as long as they dont take it to the street protesting curb everyone elses freedoms level I can respect anyone having faith in catholicism, Islam, any christianity, Judaism (as long as they arent Zionist i.e. racist and anti Palestinian)

But seriously, Scientologists are retards.

Actually, they do quite often take to the streets to offer you a "free personality test". The personality test will ALWAYS identify you with some sort of problem, be it communication issues/depression/bottled emotions etc etc, and they then offer you to take part in a "psychiatry alternative", for a nominal fee. Usually Scientology isn't mentioned until you've entered your first session.

One of my friends in Dublin often has to walk across middle abbey street on the way to work, he's been approached countless times by them.

thefinalstage

Tellox wrote: »

Actually, they do quite often take to the streets to offer you a "free personality test". The personality test will ALWAYS identify you with some sort of problem, be it communication issues/depression/bottled emotions etc etc, and they then offer you to take part in a "psychiatry alternative", for a nominal fee. Usually Scientology isn't mentioned until you've entered your first session.

One of my friends in Dublin often has to walk across middle abbey street on the way to work, he's been approached countless times by them.

As have I. Thats how I know about the huge black guy on staff...

jill_valentine

They've offered me a whole lot of stress tests.

Of course I'm f*cking stressed, I'm talking to a Scientologist.

Tha Gopher

thelastangryman wrote: »

As have I. Thats how I know about the huge black guy on staff...

It isnt Isacc Hayes is it?

Wow, what a (former) legend!

Till he fell in with these pricks. Fcuk sake he must be in his 60s now, yid think he would know better.

thefinalstage

Tha Gopher wrote: »

It isnt Isacc Hayes is it?

Wow, what a (former) legend!

Till he fell in with these pricks. Fcuk sake he must be in his 60s now, yid think he would know better.

Nah, I would laugh at him. But this guy looks like hes killed people .

Krieg

Tellox wrote: »

And just to be clear, Protest is considered fail if;
A) Someone gets violent
Gardaí are called in to move us along
(lots of reasons this could happen, especially blocking pedestrian traffic).
C) People get disorganised and start wandering around aimlessly.

You should be prepared for that one in particular, Especially if there is less than 10/5 of ye. Im betting some **** garda will tell you to move along, even if you are abiding the law and conducting the protest in a peaceful manor, he will still threaten you with "Da boys will be comin down wit da Van"

orestes

I'm in

darkman2

Tellox wrote: »

Since the other thread is moreso debating whether there IS an 11am on sunday, this is for anyone who's actually interested in making a protest against the Scientology center on Abbey Street. Gotton a few PM's so far, hope to see those faces repost here

Starting at Midday as some who have shown interest would need to get the train etc etc, and 11am is too early a mobilisation time.

The basic gist is a protest outside the building - Pickets, flyers, etc etc. The point of it all is for public and media awareness. Tying in with the London protests should get us more attention. Protest should go on until about 5/6pm. Youre obviously free to break for food etc at any time.

Wear a mask of your choosing. V masks are available on Amazon.com for about $9.99 USD.

And just to be clear, Protest is considered fail if;
A) Someone gets violent
Gardaí are called in to move us along
(lots of reasons this could happen, especially blocking pedestrian traffic).
C) People get disorganised and start wandering around aimlessly.


Also, David O'Doherty is on at 8:30 that night, if anyone's interested in that either

Post up here if you're interested, and let me know what country youre coming from.

You know it would be far smarter to just ignore them tbh. They want this sort of attention and there is no point providing a platform for thugs and scumbags to riot either. This is the type of publicity they crave. BTW I think I have been living in a bubble but what is Scientology anyway?

jill_valentine

darkman2 wrote: »

BTW I think I have been living in a bubble but what is Scientology anyway?

Most famous link, and be warned, extremely disturbing images within, would be:

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

Wreck

Tellox wrote: »

Sorry, we have no interest in targetting religions, the protest is against a tax-exempt business.

Oh, right. Well i'm not really interested then if that's the reason.

Wasn't the whole idea behind this and the masks to remain anonymous ...

0ubliette

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Isn't the mask from V a Guy Fawkes mask? I don't get the connection.

Will you be protesting all the other crackpot religions as future events? Those Magdalene laundries weren't too long ago, and probably much worse than anything the church of Scientology has ever done.

Guy fawkes mask is used by epic fail guy, a 4chan meme involving a stick figure wearing a guy fawkes mask who fails epically at everything. Guy fawkes himself had an epic fail when he failed to blow up parliament, hence the connection.
Anoymous wants to remain anonymous, hence why theyre planning onw earing masks, and the most appropriate is to use one worn by a 4chan meme, epic fail guy.
so now ya know

Heisenberg.

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Pal

Sectarianism is bigotry, discrimination, intolerance or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between denominations within the same religion.

Scientology is a cult.

daauneal

im in . I NEED to be PM'd so i can print right stuff/details.

Collie D

The Scientist wrote: »

Can someone explain the difference between this and sectarianism?

Was just thinking the same. After we've protested against the Scientology crowd I vote we hit the nearest synagogue

daauneal

f4gl0rd wrote: »

I'll be there, with a dozen eggs.

no eggs please . gives the wrong impression, and the cops will pwn you!

Heisenberg.

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daauneal

arabs and jews dont charge people thousands of euro just to get brainwashed!
they do it for free:D
if you read the OP's first post you'd know this is for people who plan to turn up, so if you dont plan on showing up or dont agree with it then F*CK OFF as you opinion was neither asked nor needed.

Heisenberg.

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monkeyfudge

Charming attitude. Is this how you're going to deal with these questions on the day? As you'll no doubt be confronted a hell of a lot more than you are here.

king_of_inismac

What is people's problem with Scientology?

If people want to give money to a religion you don't agree with let them!

What right do any of us have to judge?

I thought this country was a democracy that protected the rights of small minority groups? I wonder how many of you guys would protest outside a mosque?

Remember the persecution of the christians by the romans! Just because you don't believe it yourself, doesn't mean you have the right to critise another persons belief system!

togster

There are worse things happening around the world more deserving, of a protest.

daauneal

I shall be calm and collected in my thaughts. I can garuntee that.
I used to fundraise on the streets so I'm used to people "confronting" me about anything and everything.
To " THE SCIENTIST"
If you're still reading this than I apolagise for telling you to f*ck off ,
If you have read up on $cientology ( which I am assuming you did not )
then you would realise why this protest is taking place and I dont think you would be in the same frame of mind about the situation.

daauneal

king_of_inismac wrote: »

What is people's problem with Scientology?

If people want to give money to a religion you don't agree with let them!

What right do any of us have to judge?

I thought this country was a democracy that protected the rights of small minority groups? I wonder how many of you guys would protest outside a mosque?

Remember the persecution of the christians by the romans! Just because you don't believe it yourself, doesn't mean you have the right to critise another persons belief system!

Its about the silence of free speach on the internet mainly, not just about the money. Its about censorship and the use of propaganda.

beans

I think the fact that Scientology operates under the guise of a 'church' when in fact it's a business operating as such to gain tax-exempt status should be mentioned here.

As such it's aligning itself with legitimate churches, making it easy for them to play the 'don't you discriminate against me on religious grounds' card.

It's clever on the part of those at the top, those who really benefit while practitioners just get shafted, robbed, or sold what purports to be 'salvation' and 'enlightenment' when in fact they are just being taken for mugs.

On the surface it does appear to be bigotry, in fact anyone who speaks out against this organisation for the right reasons, after learning what they're about, should be praised IMO. But the waters will be muddied of course, I can't see this working as planned, which is sad.

blah

Good luck with this guys. Scientology takes money from vulnerable people by telling them they need to buy courses and "help" from the "church". It's just an elaborate con.

SimpleSam06

king_of_inismac wrote: »

What right do any of us have to judge?

Operation Snow White:

Operation Snow White was the Church of Scientology's name for a project during the 1970s to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and its founder L. Ron Hubbard. This project included a series of infiltrations and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by Church members; the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history with up to 5,000 covert agents.

...

Mary Sue Hubbard, Cindy Raymond, Gerald Bennett Wolfe, Henning Heldt, Duke Snider, Gregory Willardson, Richard Weigand, Mitchell Herman, Sharon Thomas, Jane Kember, and Mo Budlong, all high-ranking Scientologists, were convicted and sent to prison for five years

Operation Freakout:

Operation Freakout, also known as Operation PC Freakout, was the name given by the Church of Scientology to a covert plan intended to have the author Paulette Cooper imprisoned or committed to a mental institution. The plan, undertaken in 1976 following years of Church-initiated lawsuits and covert harassment, was meant to eliminate the perceived threat that Cooper posed to the Church and obtain revenge for her publication in 1971 of a highly critical book, The Scandal of Scientology.

...

However, the Church stepped up the harassment, for instance painting her name and phone number on street walls so that she would receive obscene phone calls, and subscribing her to pornographic mailing lists. She also received anonymous death threats and her neighbors received letters claiming that she had a venereal disease.

In its initial form Operation Freakout consisted of three different plans (or "channels", as the Guardian's Office termed them):

1. First, a woman was to imitate Paulette Cooper's voice and make telephone threats to Arab consulates in New York.
2. Second, a threatening letter was to be mailed to an Arab consulate in such a fashion that it would appear to have been done by Paulette Cooper (who is Jewish).
3. Third, a Scientologist volunteer was to impersonate Paulette Cooper at a laundrette and threaten the President and then the Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. A second Scientologist would thereafter inform the FBI of the threat.

All of the defendants were imprisoned, serving up to four years in jail. Coincidentally, they were tried, convicted and sentenced in the same courthouse that their agents had been caught burgling.

And thats just the tip of the iceberg.

Why show up? You be the judge.

Collie D

daauneal wrote: »

if you dont plan on showing up or dont agree with it then F*CK OFF as you opinion was neither asked nor needed.

daauneal wrote: »

Its about the silence of free speach on the internet mainly,

Does this freedom of speech you refer to only extend to your own opinions?

Dyr

I'll be dere in me celtic tracksuit/scarf over face combo...dose prod bastard scientificists :mad:

daauneal

Collie D wrote: »

Does this freedom of speech you refer to only extend to your own opinions?

did you read the post under that where I imediatly apolagised?
I also sent him a pm saying sorry and that he's entitiled to his own opinions.

Collie D

I did read your post but I think your attitude is typical. Everyone has a right to protest, it's what makes a democracy. However, as soon as someone expresses a different opinion you go straight on the offensive. It weakens your argument greatly.

Winters

king_of_inismac wrote: »

What is people's problem with Scientology?

If people want to give money to a religion you don't agree with let them!

What right do any of us have to judge?

I have no problem with people practing their beliefs, even tho I am very anti-religion. If people want to practice what Scientology preech (that 75billion years ago an evil intergalactic Lord named Xenu put millions of aliens into volcanos in Hawaii (which didnt exist) and blew them up with Hydrogen bombs. After that the souls or Thetens of these beings spread into early man and these bad Thetens is what is evil inside everyone. Remember, the guy who founded it was a Science Fiction writer) I have no problem with that. What I and Anonymous and others have a problem with is the ways the "Church" operate. They effectivly trick people into believeing they can cure them costing thousands of euro. Anyone who takes their test is told they need help and that Scientology/Dianetics can deliver this help.

The machines or "e-meters" they test people with are nothing more than a basic lie-detector, and a bad one at that. You can look up the blue-prints and patents on Google. They use these to con people into believing things and charge them for trying to be "cured". They have been repromanded for illegally practiving medicine in numerous countries around the globe.

They will also during many, many audting sessions find out intimite details about you (Particularly your sex live and orientation) and use these against you should you ever want to leave (See ex-scientologists). If you hesitate on something or not answer it they will keep digging at it to find out more over numerious sessions.

A religion will talk to you about their beliefs, what they offer and let you read about them. Scientology does not. They hide and charge people to find out (I think its aroudn the €10,000+ mark to find out about Xenu that I said above). This is generally as by the time you get that far you have been brainwashed by hours upon hours of "audits" and being forced to sit staring at alls. If it was a religion why wont they talk to you about what they believe and let you join of your own will insted of immediatly try and audit them and force them into becomign a member?

king_of_inismac wrote: »

I thought this country was a democracy that protected the rights of small minority groups? I wonder how many of you guys would protest outside a mosque?

Scientolgoy are connected to numerous human rights violations. Ex-Scientologists will tell you how at the age of 10 were forced to work 10 to 12 hour days 7 days a week for $50 (AUS) a week and were removed from their parents care and forced to live in dorms with others and only allowed see their family once a week at best.

This is not a religion it is a dangerous cult. By posing as a religion they can claim their rights as a minority are being descriminated this is the problem. They are posing as a church to hide their lies and illegal activities (Italy, France, Germany, USA and more)

king_of_inismac wrote: »

Remember the persecution of the christians by the romans! Just because you don't believe it yourself, doesn't mean you have the right to critise another persons belief system!

Yes, how many years ago? You think by this day and age we would have moved on. I am not a fan of religion however I have no problem with peoples own beliefs providing they actually put thought into it and find out what it means to them as opposed to just having been forced fed it or in the case of scientology, brainwashed.

Just look at the BBC Panarama documentary (May 2007). They are constantly following the journalist, interrupting his interviews, intimidating him etc. Are these the actions of a welcome and warm religion? Scientolgoy immediatly setup a website and released their own one notibly leaving out their intimidation of the him, plants in his hotel to watch him etc.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/18258/bbc-panorama-scientology