Steyr SSG 69 P2

kinkstr

Anyone fired/and or have some info on this, cant find much on google unless i learn French or Danish.
http://www.mainirishairsoft.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=238

Gatling

nonex has one ,pretty good piece of kit considering its price ,get the full package if your getting one

o1s1n

Looks like a rebrand of the chinese m324/UTG sniper thingy. I bought one ages ago. It's not really the best. You'd be better to put the money toward a Marui vsr-10

kinkstr

nonex has one ,pretty good piece of kit considering its price ,get the full package if your getting one

Ive already got a scope i got for an m4 ages ago but the case would be handy alright.

Looks like a rebrand of the chinese m324/UTG sniper thingy. I bought one ages ago. It's not really the best. You'd be better to put the money toward a Marui vsr-10

Yea the vsr caught my eye to, just a tad expensive and id end up buying a better spring for it for a bit more range, and im still not completely sold on the whole sniper thing.
What didnt you like about the one you bought if you dont mind me asking?

ED E

With that price tag you ca't complain.

o1s1n

It really depends what you want to use it for. If it's just for plinking in the back yard it's fine. works great at short ranges. If you want to play with it, well..I know I couldnt. Tried it once and accuracy was terrible. (Might just be my one though)

I wouldn't buy it now due to the build quality. It feels solid and heavy, but the plastic it's made out of isn't the best. It's very glossy and the stock feels quite hollow. Plastic trigger guard. The hop up is cast pretty badly.

I suppose for the price you can't really argue alright. I'm just a bit miffed as I bought mine in 06 when we were just getting started so it cost me a lot more. About €150 to be exact.

ED E

Do ASG use chinese junk? And dont MIA only stock the better kit?

o1s1n

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

Do ASG use chinese junk? And dont MIA only stock the better kit?

MIA stock Chinese clones...build quality wise I'd put it in league with the Warrior L96.

Not junk..just getting what you paid for.

kinkstr

o1s1n wrote: »

It really depends what you want to use it for. If it's just for plinking in the back yard it's fine. works great at short ranges. If you want to play with it, well..I know I couldnt. Tried it once and accuracy was terrible. (Might just be my one though)

I wouldn't buy it now due to the build quality. It feels solid and heavy, but the plastic it's made out of isn't the best. It's very glossy and the stock feels quite hollow. Plastic trigger guard. The hop up is cast pretty badly.

I suppose for the price you can't really argue alright. I'm just a bit miffed as I bought mine in 06 when we were just getting started so it cost me a lot more. About €150 to be exact.

This one your talking about, this is the same as the one from mia yea?

o1s1n

Its originally known as the Double Eagle m50. When I bought it, it was called the UTGM324. (So basically a repackage by UTG) and sold with a nice Leapers scope (The company who own UTG). It's been sold under a couple more names but I can't remember at the moment.

I don't know if they're the same rifle. But, the picture on the box looks identical, the one on MIA is called M50 (Like the DE version), it has the same power output and is the only rifle that looks like that at that price range. So I am assuming ASG took the DE m50 and repackaged it again.

Of course I could be completely wrong. Would need to see them in person. But I have a feeling I'm right...

o1s1n

It also has the Double Eagle m50 bolt. Something I also haven't seen on another clone rifle.

Here's a pic of my one. You'll see what I mean about the bolt.

NakedDex

o1s1n wrote: »

MIA stock Chinese clones.

Not for much longer, they're not ordering anything more after they sell through what they have left.

kinkstr

Well ive had it now since wednesday and its impressive, feels solid enough. 4-5 inch grouping from 20 odd foot, when the weather gets better ill try it outside over a longer distance.
Do springer rifles require much maintenance, or will a shot of silicone do and not have to take it apart?

steodee

Anybody know what kind of scope you get with the styer full kit in mia

Captain Chaos

steodee wrote: »

Anybody know what kind of scope you get with the styer full kit in mia

This is the one you get. A standard 3-9x40, perfect for airsoft plinking.
http://www.mainirishairsoft.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=328

BFSL

o1s1n wrote: »

Looks like a rebrand of the chinese m324/UTG sniper thingy. I bought one ages ago. It's not really the best. You'd be better to put the money toward a Marui vsr-10

This gun is actually recommended over the vsr 10 by the European supplier, ASG, this is actually version 3 of the one you have, so please don't slate products until you know what version it is.

Would you class a 1988 BMW with a 2003 BMW? I dont think so.

o1s1n

BFSL wrote: »

This gun is actually recommended over the vsr 10 by the European supplier, ASG, this is actually version 3 of the one you have, so please don't slate products until you know what version it is.

Would you class a 1988 BMW with a 2003 BMW? I dont think so.

Do you actually know what that 'gen 3' means? It means generation 3 bolt. They upgraded the bolt to shoot 430 fps+ (Although I have a feeling all they did was fix the leaky hop up and maybe put in a tightbore...but I haven't seen the inside so I don't know) (Gen 1 was 328fps) That's it. If you're stocking them then they're under 1 joule and the version 3 means absolutely nothing and it's the exact same rifle.

If ASG are recommending this over the vsr 10 they've either lost it or somebody is having you on. The vsr is far superior. I don't understand why you'd have a problem with me recommending the vsr over that anyway???

BFSL

ASG do actually prefer this gun to the VSR, as do some people I have sold both to.
We tried this gun at 35yds and we were hitting a 3" SNC target every time freehand, the VSR comes out of the box at .7 and drops dramatically over a few mags. Whatever way you look at it, €270 for a vsr and €79 for an SSg that will out shoot it, makes the SSG a better gun.

o1s1n

BFSL wrote: »

ASG do actually prefer this gun to the VSR, as do some people I have sold both to.
We tried this gun at 35yds and we were hitting a 3" SNC target every time freehand, the VSR comes out of the box at .7 and drops dramatically over a few mags. Whatever way you look at it, €270 for a vsr and €79 for an SSg that will out shoot it, makes the SSG a better gun.

Have you taken them both apart? There's more to a rifle then how well it shoots first out of the box.

The m324 or steyr ssg or however it's branded may shoot fast and hit targets like that to start off with, but that doesn't mean it's going to do that for very long. The power in my spring has dropped significantly and the accuracy is all over the place.

The internals aren't very good at all. The hop up isn't cast too good and the inner barrel really needs to be replaced.

The biggest reason for purchasing a VSR-10 over this is one thing.

There are no replacement parts for the m324/SSG 69. You can get a bolt pull but that's about it. It's also not compatible with any other brands. The stock is a really shiny black plastic and feels easily breakable. The metals aren't too good either.

A vsr-10 can be upgrade easily enough to a 1 joule spring and has MULTITUDES of replacement parts.

For the price the SSG does deliver. You can't ask for cheaper. BUT! let people be aware of what they're buying.

And if you're importing 'gen 3' 'version 3' boxed models you want to run them through a chronograph as I said earlier, the only difference between the generations is the muzzle energy.

BFSL

Does the so called pros of the Vsr warrant an extra €190, I don't think so and I sell both guns.
i have sold SSGs that are in regular use and they are still going well, and further more, I have not got one back to date, that can't be bad, oh, the hopup is very responsive and works very well.

o1s1n

BFSL wrote: »

Does the so called pros of the Vsr warrent an extra €190, I dont think so and I sell both guns.

Ah now here's the thing. You're getting mixed up between good value and which is a better rifle.

The SSG is much better value. I'll totally agree with you there. You can't match a price like that for what you're getting.. It's actually one of the best rifle deals I've seen. So it wins on value for money.

BUT! (And a big but)

It still doesn't make it better than a vsr-10. It's nowhere near build quality wise. As the ever used saying in relation to airsoft goes, 'you get what you pay for'.

BFSL wrote: »

i have sold SSGs that are in regular use and they are still going well, and further more, I have not got one back to date, that can't be bad, oh, the hopup is very responsive and works very well.

You won't get one back because it's so cheap people wouldn't be bothered. I'm sure they're all still shooting fine. They're not old yet though. Give it a couple of years. Things will break and they wont be able to fix them. It won't matter though, as they're so cheap they can just buy another

Spitfire666

with that reasoning so, would the SSG not be a better buy?its so cheap to buy that if anything goes wrong itseasier to buya new one than to buy a vsr and spend big money on it if it needs parts?

After all, the old one could then be used as a sorce of parts for the new one and still be cheaper then the VSR?

JohnMcD has one and has never said anything bad about it and uses it alot at his site in drogheda. has his one along time too

BFSL

You would not believe what some people will bring back, believe me.
The sniper rifle on a whole does not get anything like the use an AEG or semi pistol will get, therefor I don't believe you can justify the purchase of a VSR over an SSG, and even Rolls Royce have break downs,.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, I want to go to the pub.:D

o1s1n

Good point spitfire. I suppose, it depends what you want it for.

I know personally if I wanted to chose a sniper role, I'd want one really good rifle that I could use and maintain...one that's going to last a long time that I can get a feel for.

Constantly buying a new one wouldn't really appeal to me at all. And it would work out more expensive in the long run.

I thought it was great when I first bought it..but now that I've handed loads of other rifles, it just seems way too toy like and plastic for my liking.

If someone wanted to buy a cheap spring bolt action to try it out, it's fine. But I really think comparing it to the likes of a vsr-10 (Or even saying it's better! ) is giving it a little too much credit.

o1s1n

BFSL wrote: »

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, I want to go to the pub.:D

Heh, I hear ya. My head is starting to hurt.

Cheeky monkey

I tried Pauls SSG and it really need a silencer if your gonna play the sniper role or else your wasting your time and may aswell go with an AEG. Because your getting a big crack when you shoot while with the VSR-10 g spec you'll only really hear it if your sitting within bang kill range

The VSR is worth the extra bit of cash in my opinion because your spending your money on a gun that alot of airsofters swear by and after using one for about a month and a half I to have say its one of the best guns I've used so far

SLIM19198

Any idea when these SSG's will be in stock?

Spitfire666

i dont know, the VSR is a hbit more then an "extra bit of cash", 280euro compared to 70?

Cheeky monkey

You can get them for 130 (thats excluding shipping and tax)

o1s1n

Vsr-10 G-spec from ehobby would be about 180 including shipping. It's not that much extra considering you're buying a Marui.

NakedDex

It's a nice rifle to test the water with. Some people may be all gung ho about being a sniper until they give it a go. 70 bucks isn't a huge leap to try out such a specialised role. I've been considering adding a bolt action to the collection just to try it out. I've been looking at an L96 for a while now but it's a leap at 300, 70 bucks to try it out isn't bad at all.

Captain Chaos

Well, about the L96, after briefly trying a VSR and SSG 69, I still love my Maruzen L96. It's not cheap though, just loved the look of it.

NakedDex

So do I, but I'm not willing to spend that money on something that I'll rarely take out. I like the idea of being a sniper, but I know I wouldn't be an effective one. I want a bolt action solely for target use, maybe taking it out once in a while so unless I got good very fast, I'll stick to a marksmans rifle rather than a sniper for main use.

kdouglas

NakedDex wrote: »

So do I, but I'm not willing to spend that money on something that I'll rarely take out. I like the idea of being a sniper, but I know I wouldn't be an effective one. I want a bolt action solely for target use, maybe taking it out once in a while so unless I got good very fast, I'll stick to a marksmans rifle rather than a sniper for main use.

Exactly, I bought one myself last week when I was over in MIA, and like you I got it mainly for the very rare occasion that I will try out being a sniper but mainly for target practice at home

kinkstr

A question to any otther owners of this, the tip of the barrel looks like it can be removed, you can twist it a little either direction but i dont wanna just try and pull it off.

kinkstr

A question to any otther owners of this, the tip of the barrel looks like it can be removed, you can twist it a little either direction but i dont wanna just try and pull it off.

o1s1n

kinkstr wrote: »

A question to any otther owners of this, the tip of the barrel looks like it can be removed, you can twist it a little either direction but i dont wanna just try and pull it off.

Is it a plug? Mine came with a blaze orange tip which screwed on and off. Well, with the help of some tools.

There's no point really taking it off. It's more than likely glued on.

kinkstr

Not really sure, the inner rim is a bit rough, i just wanna take it off to takethe roughness out of it.