Is Cannon the bee's knees of photography?

TiM_rEAPeR

Just got into this forum and its pretty interesting. Im studying graphic design so I had to invest in some real slr camera equipment.
After hearing a lot of advice from friends and photographers in various media art departments, I opted away from the typical Cannon range. A well knowledged media lecturer who specialises in photography informed us that even the most expensive Cannon will register (expose?) dark areas with a slight tinge of green. Almost unnoticable.

Personally, I opted for the olympus e410, a starting point but a fairly expensive investment none the less. Im finding it an excellent piece of equipment. And amazingly enough, im acually able to adapt the it with my Dads 26 year old zuiko oympus lenses, which made it an even better buy (20", 50" and a 300" Macro + Telescope zoom. All manual.) Within such a short rane of time my knowledge has infinitely increased. Although Olympus is a strongly recognised trademark, does anyone else have a preference towards the less associated brands?

melekalikimaka

lol

minikin

are you on the drugs tim?

elven

There are a few oly users round here, who love their cameras. There's a huge amount of canon users, a growing number of nikonites, and possibly one or two pentax. Then we have the holga fans, and some other MF film geeks There's lomo-ists, people who like to pull polaroid prints apart and transfer them onto paper, and I'm sure we've had a spate of home made pinhole cameras too...

Cannon users tend to do a different kind of shooting though, which involves using large metal balls to knock down castle walls :rolleyes:

Never heard of the green tinge in the shadows, and i've heard of a lot of pixel peeping in my time. I'd be very surprised if that were true given the demands of the photographers who use canon gear for all kinds of applications, and that it hasn't been more widely reported.

But what's even more fun, is going out and taking pictures

melekalikimaka

elven wrote: »

T
green tinge in the shadows

I now know why all canon users pics suck, there was me thinking it was partly the users fault

minikin

But what's even more fun, is going out and taking pictures

hold on a second... you mean this thing takes pictures too???

elven

Actually no, scrap that. I'd rather admire the craftsmanship of the black gaffer tape on my holga

Seriously tim, hope you don't think we're taking the mince. Please, post some shots when you get out and about, and hopefully you can come and join us at the next meet at the end of february or something. We're all very nice*.

*Except Rymus who takes exception to being labelled as nice...

duffarama

I was all set to say "actually no, Canon are not the bees knees" and then I read your post

I also have an E-410, and some old OM lenses as well, I don't think I'll get the OM adaptor though. Happy to use those on my OM camera(s)

sineadw

Hmmm.. think you may have been given a bum steer with the advice there. Canon and Nikon would be the two most used brands professionally. A quick google image search for photos of paparazi will show you what I mean...

I chose Canon when I went digital, but I have my beloved Pentax-mount film camera which I was just mulling over taking myself to botanics with on Wednesday.

Welcome along Post up some stuff when you get a chance.

minikin

copyright minikin pictorial industries 2008

5uspect

Green tinge? I know the RAW mosaic is green but this applies to all cameras.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/RAW-file-format.htm

ThOnda

Pentax all the way
Yes, we are in minority, but we know why

Paulw

I always wondered what that green was in my recent photos. I thought it was the grass from the pitch, but maybe I've been wrong.

Thirdfox

Castro prefers Nikon!



"News" article here:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080116.wdip0117/PhotoGallery01?slot=2

edit: should work on his handholding technique there

minikin

should work on his handholding technique there

give him a break, last time he took a picture they measured shutter speed in days...

Thirdfox

Wonder how much Nikon paid him to endorse their product?

minikin

20,000,000 Reichsmarks

melekalikimaka

you do not pay in cuba, its all for the love of cuba

Fajitas!

minikin wrote: »

copyright minikin pictorial industries 2008

...

That is f*cking hilarious.

minikin

looking at it now, i think i need to back off the density on the camera body...
never photoshop at night - yer brain don't work so better

rymus

that is rather good.. Had I been drinking coffee when I saw it, I surely would have snorted it.

Fajitas!

Oooh. Coffee. There's an idea.

Have 7 hours of lectures to struggle through.

rymus

good god man.. I couldnt get through 1 hour of lectures without at least 3 cups

magicbastarder

TiM_rEAPeR wrote: »

20", 50" and a 300" Macro + Telescope zoom

a three hundred inch lens would be some sight to behold.

Paulw

Yeah, true. The largest Canon have is a 1200mm lens. :eek:

Those must be some lenses you have.

Calina

TiM_rEAPeR wrote: »

Just got into this forum and its pretty interesting. Im studying graphic design so I had to invest in some real slr camera equipment.
After hearing a lot of advice from friends and photographers in various media art departments, I opted away from the typical Cannon range. A well knowledged media lecturer who specialises in photography informed us that even the most expensive Cannon will register (expose?) dark areas with a slight tinge of green. Almost unnoticable.

Personally, I opted for the olympus e410, a starting point but a fairly expensive investment none the less. Im finding it an excellent piece of equipment. And amazingly enough, im acually able to adapt the it with my Dads 26 year old zuiko oympus lenses, which made it an even better buy (20", 50" and a 300" Macro + Telescope zoom. All manual.) Within such a short rane of time my knowledge has infinitely increased. Although Olympus is a strongly recognised trademark, does anyone else have a preference towards the less associated brands?

We are not all the same, and we do not all have the same requirements from a camera. I do not get this constant tribalistic my brand is better than yours nonsense. It's a bit like supporting a football team.

The truth is that the camera equipment you have in your hands is less than half the story. Mostly, what matters is what you see and how you go about transferring it onto film. The camera does not make the photographer but in many cases, the photgrapher makes the camera.

I have a Canon 350D with a bundle of Sigma lenses. I also have a couple of Olympus cameras and related lenses. What makes my photographs my photographs is how I make them, not the camera I use to take them.

Most good photographers understand this.

minikin

most 'good' photographers in the past and present day used/use the best possible equipment available to them... brand is irrelevant, the tool itself is not. I wouldn't take the whole Nazikon/Canon thing so seriously Calina... it's only people ribbing each other for a bit of a laugh.

Calina

yes but to be blunt I'm getting sick of it. it seems to come up every 15 minutes and it wore thin at least 12 months ago for me. I find the "choose me a point and shoot for under 150E" threads to be more engaging at this stage.

in any case, "best" is still subjective.

minikin

brand niggling exists in every walk of life... just don't read it if you're not interested in it

apple/microsoft
bluray/hd
ferrari/porsche
maybeline/clinique
indesign/quark

it's the nature of the marketing beast

the original poster titled the thread: "Is Cannon the bee's knees of photography?" after all...

rymus

**** yiz all then.. I'm switching to minolta!

magicbastarder

i'm switching to windsor & newton.

TiM_rEAPeR

Calina wrote: »

What makes my photographs my photographs is how I make them, not the camera I use to take them.

Most good photographers understand this.

I appreciate all your comments, either sarcastic or loving a good "tangent talk fun poke" at the new guy. Calina, I appreciate your advice and im really on here to keep a foot in the jargin market. Im well aware of the artisitc signification that is associated with the photographer and the photograph, although I recognise your post wasn't really aimed at anyone. Its just feels good to vent the things that give you satisfaction and sometimes you can't really have those kind of conversations with the people around you.
My post was really leaning towards the technical aspects.. otherwise I could have written an essay on contrived artistic yup. I'd love to show you guys some of my stuff. At the moment im studying the manual technical uses blah blah. Hey, im only 19. They're really are a lot of arrogant photographers on here.

rymus

TiM_rEAPeR wrote: »

They're really are a lot of arrogant photographers on here.

PM me with a list... I need new people to abuse.

Also, you cant link to images within gmail. Upload them to flickr or something

Calina

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm switching to windsor & newton.

Well I have long been an exponent of Crayola.

Thirdfox

Calina wrote: »

Well I have long been an exponent of Crayola.

Tough guys paint in blood (maybe theirs but preferably some enemy that they have just slain)

Chunky Monkey

minikin wrote: »

brand niggling exists in every walk of life... just don't read it if you're not interested in it

apple/microsoft

Had both and like both

bluray/hd

Sticking with ordinary DVD for now

ferrari/porsche

Ferrari! Though the seventies Porsches are prettier...

maybeline/clinique

Maybeline don't do creams though do they. Definitely maybeline for mascara anyway

indesign/quark

Mac software? I had quark express. Preferred it to microsoft word.

it's the nature of the marketing beast

the original poster titled the thread: "Is Cannon the bee's knees of photography?" after all...

What was the name of that video technology they had that was better but VHS won the popularity contest...:)

They're really are a lot of arrogant photographers on here.

That's true. I got a PM from someone asking me if I could make my posts a bit more mature. I mean what a thing to say. It's not like I've offended anyone (I hope).

rymus

Chunky Monkey wrote: »

I got a PM from someone asking me if I could make my posts a bit more mature. I mean what a thing to say. It's not like I've offended anyone (I hope).

Are you serious?!? Red rag to a bull tbh..

Placebo

this was a good thread, canonist ruined it. Specially minikin:)

minikin

i'm no canonist, i've never even been in a kayak, so there!

RCNPhotos

Canon is the best! No, but I use Canon, reason being my, well main reason, my neighbour is a photographer and he swears by canon and well, it was either them or nikon, and it's handy being able to borrow lenses and what not, battery's and stuff from him.

As for green tinge, rubbish. Well I've never noticed one. Has anyone?

Where you studying photography Tim?

Calina

Strangely enough, I'd never heard of it so I googled and yeah, there are a few comments about it alright.

Mentioned, interestingly enough, that the 40D doesn't have the problem and we all know what camera Calina is getting next...

TiM_rEAPeR

RCNPhotos wrote: »

Where you studying photography Tim?

Recognition.. blisss. Anywho, im not studying photography 'per say' but it is a major component in visual communication. A high usage of photography knowledge is not necessarily required for 2nd years but right now its more for a personal interest, ultimately it will pay dividends. Im in the ncad

Fajitas!

I'm checking the lists & photos of 2nd year VisCom tomorrow for a Tim. I'll know who to avoid then.

TJJP

TiM_rEAPeR wrote: »

They're really are a lot of arrogant photographers on here.

+1, but anyway back to the topic.

I'm a fan of Canon for digital. Have used Minolta and Olympus for film in the past, but got stung on moving from Minolta film to digital (Sony seem to have solved that now).

The canon mid range bodies (350/400D and 30/40D) are great and fairly well priced. Given the popularity of the 40D you could probably get a deal on a 30D at present. As an aside the 350/400 bodies seemed a bit small to me, wasn't comfortable with them.

Beyond the body, be it Canon, Nikon or whatever you have to consider the glass. Any big makers lens will cost you, so you would be wise to think about that. I don't reckon you're going to spend €1,200 on a Canon L lens starting out, so you could be back to sigma or tokina. In that case the camera you choose comes back to personal choice.

On the colour cast, once you head towards a 10 or 12.1meg sensor the glass starts to become a big concern, more an issue than a green tinge I'd reckon. Colour cast can be corrected with software so I wouldn't get too concerned about it.

I find the Canons well laid out, all is where you would expect it. They seem to hold their value well too (as do Nikon) so it’s good for resale but it does cost when you are investing at first.

Quite a few cameras here on Adverts, worth a look too.

Fajitas!

Actually, going back to the first post Tim, was that lecturer in the Media Dept or VisCom Dept?

Just out of personal interest.

For what it's worth, NCAD use all Canon digital SLR's...

TiM_rEAPeR

Yeh, they do.. and that's why that "Media" Photography head guy was adamant on its occuring green tinge.. It's the dude in the photography room, either way you shouldn't argue with a lifetime pro. And actually, not that I come to re-read my post, I only got the olympus becasue its seemed to be the best deal from the indian salesman, cannon's do seem pretty sleek and trusting, would have got the 40d? something. How did this specificity get on topic! My anonymity is decreasing!

Fajitas! your a media roight. Judging from you post topic interests I would guesstimate your an avid mac user, quite technologically equipped and a stong invester of photographic equipment. Give iz a pm

Freddie59

Calina wrote: »

We are not all the same, and we do not all have the same requirements from a camera. I do not get this constant tribalistic my brand is better than yours nonsense. It's a bit like supporting a football team.

The truth is that the camera equipment you have in your hands is less than half the story. Mostly, what matters is what you see and how you go about transferring it onto film. The camera does not make the photographer but in many cases, the photgrapher makes the camera.

I have a Canon 350D with a bundle of Sigma lenses. I also have a couple of Olympus cameras and related lenses. What makes my photographs my photographs is how I make them, not the camera I use to take them.

Most good photographers understand this.

I'd agree with your comments. As one pondering the purchase of either an Olympus e510 or a Canon Eos 400D (now the 450D) I find the opinions offered can be a bit tribalistic in their content (a minority I might hastily add:)). It does make seeking impartial informed comment somewhat emabarrassing for newbies to fields like DSLR photography (like myself).

However, it's not unique to the photography. Same applies in the HE Display forum (Panasonic mob are forever putting down anyone even considering buying anything other than a Viera) and many other fora here also.

TJJP

TiM_rEAPeR wrote: »

Yeh, they do.. and that's why that "Media" Photography head guy was adamant on its occuring green tinge.. It's the dude in the photography room, either way you shouldn't argue with a lifetime pro.

> dude in the photography room

> lifetime pro.

Does not compute.

Fajitas!

TiM_rEAPeR wrote: »

Yeh, they do.. and that's why that "Media" Photography head guy was adamant on its occuring green tinge.. It's the dude in the photography room, either way you shouldn't argue with a lifetime pro. And actually, not that I come to re-read my post, I only got the olympus becasue its seemed to be the best deal from the indian salesman, cannon's do seem pretty sleek and trusting, would have got the 40d? something. How did this specificity get on topic! My anonymity is decreasing!

Fajitas! your a media roight. Judging from you post topic interests I would guesstimate your an avid mac user, quite technologically equipped and a stong invester of photographic equipment. Give iz a pm

His wife is one of the top people in Nikon Ireland.

And no, while I'm surrounded in iMac's, and debating a MacBook Air, I'm windows based

TiM_rEAPeR

egad! MAc Book air! would you buy a car that requires you to use someone elses petrol tank just to run the dam thing?! maximum 1.8ghz just doesn't seem like a good media investment.

Fajitas!

Try bringing a 17in laptop to photoshoots, or even from Drumcondra to the studio and back daily... You'll soon understand.