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pixelburp

thelordofcheese wrote: »

So I'm not alone in thinking that the VATS system in Fallout3 will get really annoying really quickly.

I don't feel so lonely anymore!

Off topic I know, but I feel it's worth pointing out that the VATS system is completely optional and you can play it as a standard run-and-gun if you so wish. This has been made clear by Bethesda many times!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

thelordofcheese

pixelburp wrote: »

Off topic I know, but I feel it's worth pointing out that the VATS system is completely optional and you can play it as a standard run-and-gun if you so wish. This has been made clear by Bethesda many times!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

...because that's better somehow?
Fallout 3 combat is only giving me cause for concern at this point.

pixelburp

thelordofcheese wrote: »

...because that's better somehow?
Fallout 3 combat is only giving me cause for concern at this point.

If you don't like the idea of VATS for every battle, then yes, it would be. If you're a raving Fallout fanboy, then no, it wouldn't be an improvement but you can't please everyone all of the time

thelordofcheese

pixelburp wrote: »

If you don't like the idea of VATS for every battle, then yes, it would be. If you're a raving Fallout fanboy, then no, it wouldn't be an improvement but you can't please everyone all of the time

Wait, so because i've got concerns when it looks like i'll have to choose between VATS which seems to be doing it's best to mimic Final Fantasys Attack-Annoying camera pan-minimal damage-repeat and a clunky FPS system, i'm a rabid fallout fanboy?

Sometimes i wonder about people, i really do.....

pixelburp

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Wait, so because i've got concerns when it looks like i'll have to choose between VATS which seems to be doing it's best to mimic Final Fantasys Attack-Annoying camera pan-minimal damage-repeat and a clunky FPS system, i'm a rabid fallout fanboy?

Sometimes i wonder about people, i really do.....

I wasn't talking about you specifically, and sure we can only wait and see how the final FPS system works. But a good few previews have implied the VATS system is the only method of combat in the game. Anyway, there's a thread for Fallout3 already, so; moving on...

Jack Sheehan

By the by, has anyone heard the Australian Gamer Podcasts featureing Yahtzee? He's just as funny on them as Zero Punctuation.
http://www.australiangamerpodcast.com/mp3/Australian_Gamer_Podcast_117.mp3

http://www.australiangamerpodcast.com/mp3/Australian_Gamer_Podcast_123.mp3

http://www.australiangamerpodcast.com/mp3/Australian_Gamer_Podcast_129.mp3

http://www.australiangamerpodcast.com/mp3/Australian_Gamer_Podcast_131.mp3

humanji

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Wait, so because i've got concerns when it looks like i'll have to choose between VATS which seems to be doing it's best to mimic Final Fantasys Attack-Annoying camera pan-minimal damage-repeat and a clunky FPS system, i'm a rabid fallout fanboy?

Sometimes i wonder about people, i really do.....

I'm confused. You say you're worried that the VATS system will get really annoying. But when you're told that it's optional, you get shirty and wonder how that's a good thing?

R0ot

Great watch as always, bring on GoW2! :pac:

L31mr0d

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's a first person shooter, without guns. We had that already in 1999. It was called Rune and it was shit.*

Comment should be taken with a pinch of salt.

eh what? there's plenty of guns in mirrors edge? the clips have only shown yer one running about kicking people to demonstrate that you don't have to use weapons. But you can steal guns off people and use them if you want.

thelordofcheese

humanji wrote: »

I'm confused. You say you're worried that the VATS system will get really annoying. But when you're told that it's optional, you get shirty and wonder how that's a good thing?

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it?
I'm wondering how the choice between VATS (which looks annoying as fúck) and a clunky looking FPS system is meant to be a good thing. As far as i can see the combat in fallout3 seems to be a choice between two very uninspiring options.

FreeOSCAR

Fallout 3 looks amazing and will be immense when it comes out. Simple as.

Sarky

Yes, but whether it will also be good is what's bothering people.

I really hope they learned their lesson from Oblivion.

Anyway, E3 eh? lol.

Seifer

Sarky wrote:

I really hope they learned their lesson from Oblivion.

They will have learned nothing from Oblivion as they learned nothing from Morrowind.
Bethesda are a horrible developer and aren't a patch on Black Isle.

NunianVonFuch

Seifer wrote: »

They will have learned nothing from Oblivion as they learned nothing from Morrowind.
Bethesda are a horrible developer and aren't a patch on Black Isle.

Whats wrong with Oblivion? Sure they should probably have tweaked the combat a bit more but thats one department. The story and art-style (especially of the Shivering Isles) is fantastic. I'll be picking up Fallout 3 no bother.

Also they did learn one thing from Morrowind: No stupid fetch quest to pick up a flower to enter the mage's guild. As soon as I started on that quest and walked for what seemed like forever in dull landscapes, I quit, uninstalled the game and never went back.

Also yes Black Isle were great. WERE. They got closed 5 years ago and made the last Fallout 10 years ago. Vampire:Bloodlines by their spin-off company was great, but methinks you're still bitter at their closure.

"Quit livin' in the past Marge!"

Seifer

NunianVonFuch wrote:

Whats wrong with Oblivion?

The retarded leveling system, the combat, the repetitiveness of the towns, all the stupid oblivion gates...

NunianVonFuch wrote:

No stupid fetch quest to pick up a flower to enter the mage's guild.

Yeah they replaced it with you having to do a quest in every mage's guild hall. Some of which involved fetching things.

silvine

I'm going on the record here to say I actually enjoyed Oblivion. It wasn't perfect but it was a decent game.:cool: I'll definately be picking up Fallout 3.

NunianVonFuch

Seifer wrote: »

The retarded leveling system, the combat, the repetitiveness of the towns, all the stupid oblivion gates...

Yeah they replaced it with you having to do a quest in every mage's guild hall. Some of which involved fetching things.

I loved the different towns, I thought they were distinguished quite well with different themes for each. The leveling system is fixed on the PC via a mod. The oblivion gates were pretty stupid. But the world of Oblivion was well done.
Yeah some involved fetching things but that flower quest was one of the lamest things I've ever been asked to do in a game. 0% effort was put into making that. Most of the Mage's guild quests had backstory to them so were far better.

Fallout 2 had loads of bugs like Oblivion. Game-breaking ones too. Lots of crashes as well. Surely that makes Bethesda ideal choices as developers of the sequel?

thelordofcheese

NunianVonFuch wrote: »

Fallout 2 had loads of bugs like Oblivion. Game-breaking ones too. Lots of crashes as well. Surely that makes Bethesda ideal choices as developers of the sequel?

Black Isle fixed them, Bethesda gave us DLC horse armour........


Also

The leveling system is fixed on the PC via a mod

At least they've kinda fixed that for Fallout3. If i'm interperating what i've read correctly....
IF

Phototoxin

what he said about games was true though.. about them all being sequels. And the FF stuff = PMPL !

Spunge

i just got painkiller after seeing his review of it. hope its good.

MooseJam

painkiller is great craic

Sarky

I watched a couple of friends of mine play Painkiller. It mostly involved uncontrollable bouts of megalomaniacal laughter as they cut a shameless bloody swathe of destruction through hordes of baddies with the spinny blade thing. Looked awesome.

Jazzy

multiplayer painkiller is also pretty rocking

R0ot

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/175-Ninja-Gaiden-2

Ninja Gaiden 2 this week, and its a great one. He's hit the metaphorical game developer nail on the head! Most games being shiney picture shows that walk a player through a story with hardly any difficulty or actual player input required. :pac:

conzy

4:06

OMFG rofl

kaimera

classic.

top notch.

humanji

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it?
I'm wondering how the choice between VATS (which looks annoying as fúck) and a clunky looking FPS system is meant to be a good thing. As far as i can see the combat in fallout3 seems to be a choice between two very uninspiring options.

You do realise that it wasn't until this post that anyone had any idea you had a problem with both choices? Thinking something and writing it down are two very different things.

Yahtzee wrote:

4:06

OMFG rofl

The animations are just so wrong sometimes

Dyr

Is anyone else worried that the place of ZP reviews in their lives is becming roughly equivalent to that of matlock in grandpa simpsons' ?

R0ot

Bambi wrote: »

Is anyone else worried that the place of ZP reviews in their lives is becming roughly equivalent to that of matlock in grandpa simpsons' ?

No bring on a twice-weekly version I say! :pac:

L31mr0d

good review. I will agree that games do feel less difficult nowadays. Prime example, playing through DMC4 atm on Demon Hunter difficulty and I can pretty much beat any boss with Dante using his suitcase full of tactical nukes and his penchant for throwing a spasming fit everytime I press L1.

There was me thinking "I rule!" defeating everything and not dying once when the missus wanted a nostalga trip and asked to play Super Mario World. Thus insued the most frustrating session of gameplay since Ninja Gaiden on the Xbox. This game requires you to WAIT and also TIME your movements. Maybe I've gotten soft but I don't remember Mario being this difficult. The frustration of dying once and having to repeat the whole level (coupled with the atrocious 360 D-Pad I was using) made me give up in less than an hour.

I appreciate the difficulty though as its more of a victory when you do finally beat it. Pity I don't an Xbox 360 though Guess Ninja Gaiden Sigma will have to suffice.