honda Accord 2.2CTDi

dessierb

Hi
I am thinking of going across the water to buy a 07 top spec Accord. Will wait until July. Any helpful tips or ideas?

Fozzie Bear

dessierb wrote: »

Hi
I am thinking of going across the water to buy a 07 top spec Accord. Will wait until July. Any helpful tips or ideas?

I was thinking of doing the same thing. I had intended on getting another Audi A4 but from what i have seen the Accord seems to have a higher spec, leather seats etc and it will be cleaner for the new VRT rates and road tax rates.

Stephen

All the Diesel accords (in Ireland anyway) are top spec EX models. Not sure if its the same in the UK. They come with pretty much everything besides auto transmission as standard - full leather, dual zone aircon, electric everything, cd changer, HID lights, fogs etc.

BnA

dessierb wrote: »

Hi
I am thinking of going across the water to buy a 07 top spec Accord. Will wait until July. Any helpful tips or ideas?

Me too

I had planned to change the better half's car in December. I had definately decided to go diesel. I looked at a lot of different cars. Even considered going down the SUV route but I got her to test drive an X-Trail and she hated it.

Had decided on a 06 Passat in the end because it was the best combination of space \ resellability (if that's a real word) \ comfort etc. I had looked at the Accord but decided it was just that small bit of our price range.

But then when the budget came out I done my sums again. I forget the exact figures now as I have them at home, but I figured if I waited untill July to buy the Passat, I'd save around 2k in the VRT, but also I'd save 300 quid every year in tax.

So I decided to hold tough untill July to buy a Passat. But now, since I'm holding tough untill July anyway, with the changes in VRT and with the way Sterling is going , I'll be able to afford an Accord by then.

Something like this :

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/HONDA+ACCORD/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-40-51-143-4294966758-4294967196/advert.action?R=200802301514801&distance=101&postcode=AB10+1AQ&channel=CARS&make=HONDA&model=ACCORD&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=40000

I plan to go over in May or June and bring something back (Get over before the rush). I'll park it up for a few weeks in the hayshed and I'll be the first man into the VRT office in Ennis on the 1st of July.

On the other side of things, I was hoping to get a Celica GT4 for myself before July. But that's more of a hope than anything else.

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/TOYOTA+CELICA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-4294966225-4294967173/advert.action?R=200802301728655&distance=281&postcode=AB10+1AQ&channel=CARS&make=TOYOTA&model=CELICA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=

Ice_Box

FYI. Honda will launch a new Accord in March this year at the Geneva motor show.

dessierb

I reckon for 28-29k € i will have a 07 on the road. The UK spec is even higher than the Irish. Voice activated Sat nav etc. 145 Co2 for the 2.2. Was committed to the 320D until i saw the Honda spec. Then i test drove the 2.2 and ooooohh my god what a car. Looked at the new Accord on the US web sites and i prefer the older sporty one.

Stephen

The US Accord is different to ours. The euro accord as sold in the US is an Acura of some kind.

E92

dessierb wrote: »

I reckon for 28-29k € i will have a 07 on the road. The UK spec is even higher than the Irish. Voice activated Sat nav etc. 145 Co2 for the 2.2. Was committed to the 320D until i saw the Honda spec. Then i test drove the 2.2 and ooooohh my god what a car. Looked at the new Accord on the US web sites and i prefer the older sporty one.

The US Accord and the European/Japanese Accord have only one thing in common and that's the name! They are completely different cars. The US Accord is actually sold in Japan as the Honda Inspire, the Euro Accord is sold in Japan as... the Accord:p! The American one is a the size of a 7 series BMW! Look at Acura's website, and look at the 'TSX', it looks like the Euro/JDM Accord because it is the JDM/Euro Accord!

dessierb

Thanks for the advice. I guess there is no spy pics so of the New euro accord

E92

dessierb wrote: »

Thanks for the advice. I guess there is no spy pics so of the New euro accord

It's gonna look like this, which is stunning IMO:

Wossack

E92 wrote: »

It's gonna look like this, which is stunning IMO:

wow +1

fingers crossed

Stephen

Oo, that one's got the rocketship door handles from the Civic

bazz26

UK spec Accord diesel came in a few trim levels afaik, Sport and EX. Sport has half leather seats, different alloy wheels, rear boot spoiler and very descrete body kit.. EX (Executive) has full leather electric heated seats with memory, electric sunroof and a few other bits and bobs.

Very nice car, hoping to go over this time next year and bring a 05/06 one of these home too. Yearly road tax will be around €430 compared to over €700 on the current system. VRT will also be reduced so happy days.

JHMEG

The Irish CTDi only came in Executive spec, which is very very high: leather and the works. The UK ones came in a variety of specs

budweiserfrogie

JHMEG wrote: »

The Irish CTDi only came in Executive spec, which is very very high: leather and the works. The UK ones came in a variety of specs

Honda ireland shows both Sport and Executive models.
http://www.honda.ie/configurator/index.cfm?fuseaction=introWithImageVariant&modelID=89&bodyID=4248

vengeance52

i got a 2004 i-CTDi exec in NI last july. Got it from JC Campbells Honda in rostrevor outside newry and i love the motor. id defo recommend it.

E92

budweiserfrogie wrote: »

Honda ireland shows both Sport and Executive models.
http://www.honda.ie/configurator/index.cfm?fuseaction=introWithImageVariant&modelID=89&bodyID=4248

Same as the UK then. The i-CTDi and not the CTDi which a lot of people are calling it(JHMEG you really should know better:D) is an Isuzu sourced engine and was found in the previous generation Civic and completely unrelated to the Accord's diesel, was only available in Executive trim initially here. The Accord i-CTDi had the potential to be a much bigger seller if Honda offered it in the lower trim levels.

budweiserfrogie

bazz26 wrote: »

Yearly road tax will be around €430 compared to over €700 on the current system. VRT will also be reduced so happy days.

Correct about savings but they are better than you imagine.
At 148gCo2 that is band C and 20%vrt and €290 yearly road tax.
See attached link to honda ireland for Co2 specs.
http://www.honda.ie/configurator/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&subsection=technicalGroup&variantID=7514&iSpecGroup=Fuel

Fizman

E92 wrote: »

It's gonna look like this, which is stunning IMO:

Yummy...the blue pic looks extremely good!

budweiserfrogie

E92 wrote: »

It's gonna look like this, which is stunning IMO:

So am i wrong in thinking that this is what our 2008 Accord will look like?
http://automobiles.honda.com/accord/

I thought untill now i knew what my next car for july looked like. But now i havn't a clue?

E92

budweiserfrogie wrote: »

So am i wrong in thinking that this is what our 2008 Accord will look like?
http://automobiles.honda.com/accord/

Your link is to Honda's American website. So you are! As I said earlier on in this thread:

E92 wrote:

The US Accord and the European/Japanese Accord have only one thing in common and that's the name! They are completely different cars. The US Accord is actually sold in Japan as the Honda Inspire, the Euro Accord is sold in Japan as... the Accord!

The photos I showed are what the European Accord will look like. The American Accord is the size of a 7 series BMW!

budweiserfrogie

E92 wrote: »

The photos I showed are what the European Accord will look like. The American Accord is the size of a 7 series BMW!

Great, caus i kinda liked the US Accord but thought it was too different looking to the European 1.
Now i just gotta wait till the real pics of the Accord come out and if they look as good as the concept pics, Great!

JHMEG

budweiserfrogie wrote: »

Honda ireland shows both Sport and Executive models.

I stand corrected, but the Sport is a new thing (and a contradiction).

bazz26

Accord diesel only became available with the Sport trim in early 2007 afaik. Up to that it was Executive trim only.

P.S. Anyone else think the standard wheels on the current Accord are way too small? 15" I think. :eek:

JHMEG

bazz26 wrote: »

Accord diesel only became available with the Sport trim in early 2007 afaik. Up to that it was Executive trim only.

P.S. Anyone else think the standard wheels on the current Accord are way too small? 15" I think. :eek:

There are 17" gun metal ones available, and they're the *only* ones worth getting. They're among the nicest alloys I've seen on any car.

EDIT: they don't look 15" on honda.ie on the SR.

vengeance52

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/20149/40861.jpg

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/20149/40863.JPG

are those the alloys your talkin about, and yup, thats my baby

bazz26

JHMEG wrote: »

EDIT: they don't look 15" on honda.ie on the SR.

Maybe they upgraded them but I have seen plenty of 03/04 Accords going around on 15" rims. They look lost under those wheel arches.

JHMEG

bazz26 wrote: »

Maybe they upgraded them but I have seen plenty of 03/04 Accords going around on 15" rims. They look lost under those wheel arches.

Speaking of which, what are they putting on the new 1.4 Civics? Is it 14" bicycle tyres? Now there's too small.

@vengeance52, sorry man, the ones I'm talking about have twin spokes. Your's are 2nd best tho;)

bazz26

JHMEG wrote: »

Speaking of which, what are they putting on the new 1.4 Civics? Is it 14" bicycle tyres? Now there's too small.

I think the new Civics have 15" or 16" these days as standard.

JHMEG

bazz26 wrote: »

I think the new Civics have 15" or 16" these days as standard.

Not on the 1.4. Which also doesn't have *any* of the triangular exhaust pipes, whereas the 1.8 has 2.

bazz26

JHMEG wrote: »

Not on the 1.4. Which also doesn't have *any* of the triangular exhaust pipes, whereas the 1.8 has 2.

According to http://www.honda.ie/configurator/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&subsection=standardGroup&variantID=6560&standardGroup=Exterior

The 1.4 has 16" steel wheels.

what_car

E92 wrote: »

Same as the UK then. The i-CTDi and not the CTDi which a lot of people are calling it(JHMEG you really should know better:D) is an Isuzu sourced engine and was found in the previous generation Civic and completely unrelated to the Accord's diesel, was only available in Executive trim initially here. The Accord i-CTDi had the potential to be a much bigger seller if Honda offered it in the lower trim levels.

for the new accord honda have a newer cleaner diesel engine, ( less VRT and CO2:D)
also the option of auto diesel will be available for the first time on accord ..

i have it from a reliable source that the new accord wont hit ireland until late summer.

what_car

JHMEG wrote: »

There are 17" gun metal ones available, and they're the *only* ones worth getting. They're among the nicest alloys I've seen on any car.

EDIT: they don't look 15" on honda.ie on the SR.

the alloys that you are on about are the ones on the type S , very nice alloys

see attachment!

jayok

Re the Accord and spec levels.

Initially the 2.2 Diesel was brought in here with Exec levels this was the same as the 2.2 Diesel Exec in the UK. However, as stated earlier the UK has the SE, Sport and Executive option in Ireland we only had the Exec option. With successful sales, Honda Ireland then brought in the Diesel Sport that had half-leather, no sunroof and a few other snippets cut back - both are available here.

So further confuse the mix the Executive badge actually varies depending on the engine size. The top of the range 2.4 Executive in the UK came with Sat Nav and HIDs at standard, overhere the 2.4 didn't. Everything else was the same. Apparently this was to keep the VRT down.

Stephen

There's a similiar situation with the Civic EX here - it comes with leather and climate control and all that stuff but no front fogs or sat nav which the UK EX gets as standard.

E92

what_car wrote: »

for the new accord honda have a newer cleaner diesel engine, ( less VRT and CO2:D)
also the option of auto diesel will be available for the first time on accord ..

i have it from a reliable source that the new accord wont hit ireland until late summer.

The new i-DTEC is clean in terms of Particulates and Nitrous Oxide, 2 areas that diesels have always done extremely bad compared to petrols in, but there is a price to pay, and that is a reduction in fuel economy, therefore more CO2 compared to the i-CTDi!

Stephen

I thought Honda were claiming similar mileage to the current i-CTDI?

E92

Stephen wrote: »

I thought Honda were claiming similar mileage to the current i-CTDI?

The Euro 5 engine is meant to be a little bit worse than the current one. Though WorldCarFans says the Euro 5 version will use less fuel than the present one, as will the petrols.

The one that meets all the US Tier 2 BIN 5 standards and Euro 6 is going to be a bit worse. I read on WhatCar? that you'd be talking about 44 mpg for one of these, not a lot better than most 1.6 or 1.8 petrols.

JHMEG

Bear in mind that alternatives such as AdBlue as used by VW and Merc require 1 litre of adblue per 20 litres of diesel, ie 5%. The adblue has to be bought separately and uses a separate tank.

The Honda system uses a small plasma reactor in the exhuast that doesn't require anything extra to run, and all diesels will need to be Euro 5 from 2009 on for new model cars and 2011 for existing models.

trabpc

Yea I know its 4 months later!

Looking at also importing an 05(prefer the front Grill to the 06/07)

As far as i know after july I can save on the VRT form 30% down to 20% but roadtax remains the same €800 odd new road tax will only apply to 08 onwards.



The following is a statement from Minister Gormley regarding the new motor tax system. Please use our motor tax calculator above to calculate your motor tax.

http://www.vrt.ie/roadTax.html

"Minister Gormley stated that all new cars registered from 1 July 2008 will have their motor tax rate based on the CO2 emissions level. The new CO2 based system will not apply to the import of pre 2008 cars. New cars registered between 1 January 2008 and 30 June 2008 will initially have their motor tax charged on the basis of the existing engine size (c.c.) system. However, a low CO2 emitting new car registered between 1 January 2008 and 30 June 2008 will have its motor tax switched to the lower CO2 based motor tax rate on first renewal of motor tax post 1 July 2008, when the new CO2 based system commences. New cars which are registered in the first 6 months of 2008 whose tax would be more under the new CO2 based system will continue to pay motortax on the basis of engine size. "

jon1981

trabpc wrote: »

yea know its 4 months later!

Looking at also importing an 05(prefer the front Grill to the 06/07)

As far as i know after july I can save on the VRT form 30% down to 20% but roadtax remains the same €800 odd new road tax will only apply to 08 onwards.



The following is a statement from Minister Gormley regarding the new motor tax system. Please use our motor tax calculator above to calculate your motor tax.

http://www.vrt.ie/roadTax.html

"Minister Gormley stated that all new cars registered from 1 July 2008 will have their motor tax rate based on the CO2 emissions level. The new CO2 based system will not apply to the import of pre 2008 cars. New cars registered between 1 January 2008 and 30 June 2008 will initially have their motor tax charged on the basis of the existing engine size (c.c.) system. However, a low CO2 emitting new car registered between 1 January 2008 and 30 June 2008 will have its motor tax switched to the lower CO2 based motor tax rate on first renewal of motor tax post 1 July 2008, when the new CO2 based system commences. New cars which are registered in the first 6 months of 2008 whose tax would be more under the new CO2 based system will continue to pay motortax on the basis of engine size. "

no you wont save as its not a 08' car, see my thread on vrt clarification

bazz26

jon1981 wrote: »

no you wont save as its not a 08' car, see my thread on vrt clarification

He will save on VRT but not on road tax.

jon1981

bazz26 wrote: »

He will save on VRT but not on road tax.

yeah just realised, for some reason i thought the goverment did a u-turn and made it like the motor tax rule.

bazz26

jon1981 wrote: »

yeah just realised, for some reason i thought the goverment did a u-turn and made it like the motor tax rule.

There is plenty of time for them to do that yet before 1st July. :mad:

niceirishfella

Ok, But to be clear and maybe to end this thread - how about the following?

will the 2.2diesel honda accord be cheaper to land in VRT post july?
and by how much on average - like will it be rated @ 20% on the open market selling price?

Thanks,
NIF

smokingman

I'll be heading across in July to get one as well but tell me this, should I stay away from the i-CTDi and go for the CTD-i instead?
I'm looking for an exec 2005 jobbie with cream leather seats and all the trimmings...

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Biro

smokingman wrote: »

I'll be heading across in July to get one as well but tell me this, should I stay away from the i-CTDi and go for the CTD-i instead?
I'm looking for an exec 2005 jobbie with cream leather seats and all the trimmings...

Any advice would be much appreciated.

There is only one diesel engine available in the Accord. It's the i-CTDi. If you see different lettering, it's because someone has written it down incorrectly.
I haven't seen the new Accord, as it's due in next month, so I'm not sure if they've changed the lettering.

smokingman

Biro wrote: »

There is only one diesel engine available in the Accord. It's the i-CTDi. If you see different lettering, it's because someone has written it down incorrectly.
I haven't seen the new Accord, as it's due in next month, so I'm not sure if they've changed the lettering.

Ah right so, cheers Biro!

bazz26

New Accord will have a new diesel engine called the DTEC, not sure on the badging though.

Old Accord diesel was sold in two trim levels in the UK, Sport and Executive. Both had the same 2.2 litre diesel engine. Sport model had half leather seats, sports suspension, 17" alloy wheels and rear boot spoiler afaik. Executive had full leather heated electric seats, sunroof, cd changer and other gadgets.

return guide

Biro wrote: »

There is only one diesel engine available in the Accord. It's the i-CTDi. If you see different lettering, it's because someone has written it down incorrectly.
I haven't seen the new Accord, as it's due in next month, so I'm not sure if they've changed the lettering.

New Accord will not be available in Ireland till October, seemingly Honda wish to see how the market lies after July.

Biro

return guide wrote: »

New Accord will not be available in Ireland till October, seemingly Honda wish to see how the market lies after July.

I'll tell you the real reason - it's cause Honda Ireland are a shower of assholes. They want to see if the lower priced "premium" brands sell quicker, so they'll know if their over inflated prices on it will work.
They'd be the last to pass the full savings onto the customer. I'd nearly ring Honda in Japan to tell them how crap they are. I reckon myself and JHMEG should be the official Honda Importers for Ireland!