black and tan ice cream

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http://benjerry.com/our_products/flavor_details.cfm?product_id=180

launched in march 2006 in america to celebrate st patricks day

Mossy Monk

That is very interesting. I never heard about that before.

eggplantman

ben and jerrys ice cream are planning a takeover

Jimbo

Wheres the confusion??
Its a mix of beer and stout.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tan

SuperSean11

eggplantman wrote: »

ben and jerrys ice cream are planning a takeover

To arms:cool:

daveirl

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eggplantman

do you no anything about irish history?jimbo

Jimbo

Im pretty sure it was a drink before it was anything else

ejmaztec

Well, I suppose by way of compensation, they did put Cool Britannia into their "Flavor Graveyard"

http://benjerry.com/halloween/flavor_graveyard.cfm

Rossibaby

idiocy,do people not know it was banned and why

RuggieBear

never heard of black and tan. what's it in relation to?

daveirl

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daveirl

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RuggieBear

i like drink i does

Jimbo

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Oh, come out you black and tans,
Come out and fight me like a man
Show your wives how you won medals down in Flanders
Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away,
From the green and lovely lanes in Killashandra.

Cathmandooo

the name offended Irish nationalists because of the paramilitary association. Ben and Jerry's has since apologized. A spokesman told Reuters, "Any reference on our part to the British Army unit was absolutely unintentional and no ill-will was ever intended.

brief history of Black & Tans for those who don't know what the controversy was.

RuggieBear

never heard of them.

cheeky bunch of lads?

Jimbo

RuggieBear wrote: »

never heard of them.

cheeky bunch of lads?

Right little rascals apparently

Nevyn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans
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http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/black_and_tans.htm

The Black and Tans as a subject still arouses controversy in Ireland. The Black and Tans were mostly former soldiers brought into Ireland by the government in London after 1918 to assist the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) in their work.

For a number of years, the RIC had been a target for the IRB and then the IRA. RIC barracks were frequently attacked and members of the RIC were murdered. Therefore, recruitment to the RIC started to be hit and the RIC found it difficult to carry out its duties effectively, especially in the remote rural areas of southern Ireland. Never knowing if you were going to be the next target did a great deal to undermine morale in the RIC.

In 1919, the British government advertised for men who were willing to "face a rough and dangerous task". Many former British army soldiers had come back from Western Europe and did not find a land fit for heroes. They came back to unemployment and few firms needed men whose primary skill was fighting in war. Therefore, there were plenty of ex-servicemen who were willing to reply to the government’s advert. For many the sole attraction was not political or national pride – it was simply money. The men got paid ten shillings a day. They got three months training before being sent to Ireland. The first unit arrived in Ireland in March 1920.

Once in Ireland it quickly became apparent that there were not enough uniforms for all those who had joined up. Therefore they wore a mixture of uniforms – some military, some RIC. This mixture gave them the appearance of being in khaki and dark police uniform. As a result, these men got the nickname "Black and Tans", and it stuck. Some say that the nickname came from a pack of hunting hounds known as the 'Black and Tans'.

The Black and Tans did not act as a supplement to the RIC. Though some men were experienced in trench warfare, they lacked the self-discipline that would have been found in the Western Front. Many Black and Tan units all but terrorised local communities. Community policing was the preserve of the RIC. For the Black and Tans, their primary task was to make Ireland "hell for the rebels to live in". Over 8000 Black and Tans went to Ireland and while they found it difficult to cope with men who used classic guerrilla tactics against them, those who lived in areas where the Black and Tans were based, paid the price.

The attitude of the Black and Tans is best summed up by one of their divisional commanders: "If a police barracks is burned or if the barracks already occupied is not suitable, then the best house in the locality is to be commandeered, the occupants thrown into the gutter. Let them die there – the more the merrier.

Should the order ("Hands Up") not be immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching (a patrol) carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious-looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time. The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man."

Lt. Col. Smyth, June 1920

The most infamous attack on the public came in November 1920. Many people had packed into Croke Park, Dublin, to watch a football match. In retaliation for the murder of fourteen undercover detectives by the IRA, the Black and Tans opened fire on the crowd, killing twelve people. In retaliation for this attack, eighteen members of the ‘Auxies’ (a separate part of the Black and Tans) were killed in Kilmichael, County Cork. The ‘Auxies’ took their revenge for this by burning down the centre of Cork and parading around after this event with burnt cork in their caps. Violence, it appeared, only led to even more violence on both sides.

The Black and Tans were not regular troops. There were many examples of them shooting indiscriminately at civilians as opposed to republican guerrillas. Creameries were also destroyed by the Black and Tans – almost as a way of economically punishing those who may have been helping the IRA. Those experienced in trench warfare fighting a seen enemy, were of little use in Ireland. The Black and Tans were so poorly disciplined and trained for Ireland that their casualty rate was far higher than could have been imagined when the government first advertised for them. The government in Westminster quickly realised that they were a liability as even public opinion in mainland Britain was appalled by a lot of what they did.

What did the Black and Tans achieve? They served no purpose for the British government as they simply failed to stop what the IRA was doing. However, they did succeed in getting the republican cause a great deal of civilian support simply because of their acts – people may not have joined the IRA, but they were supporters of it and gave what financial help they could to the movement. The Black and Tans were pulled out of Ireland in ignominy.

RuggieBear

nope not ringing any bells.

coffee_cake

AH is getting very national and political today isn't it
b&t, southern ireland... what next...

daveirl

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Wertz

RuggieBear wrote: »

never heard of them.

cheeky bunch of lads?

The paras of their day. Bastards.

Ben & Jerry's eh? Controversial name and reaction from Irish nationalists on Patrick's day = loads of free promo. Don't for a minute try and tell me that this was anyhting other than a marketing stunt.
Black and tan (the drink) is pretty awful anyway...I can only imagine an ice cream would be even more so. Baileys or Irish coffee are about the only two Irish drinks I can think of that would be appealing...

beanyb

I remember commenting to Americans over the summer that the drinks 'Black and Tans' and 'Irish Car Bombs' wouldnt work over here because they'd be just a little controversial. None of them understood why. I can understand why they wouldnt know about the Black and Tans, but Irish Car Bombs? How could you not realise that would touch a raw nerve!

Plus, they taste horrendous.

Nevyn

They reanmed to a dublin mudslide.

Jesus Wept

Ah it's no Black Bastard, tbh.


Perhaps we should put our heads together and suggest a flavour for Ben & Jerry's.

Thaedydal

Thaedydal wrote: »

They reanmed to a dublin mudslide.

Don't think so. As far as I know Dublin Mudslide has been around a lot longer and the Black and Tan thing is only recent.

Get over it, people. To us its this, to them its a friggin drink.

Wertz

Ah I couldn't give a bollocks really....if people want to pay €5 for a wee tub of ice cream, more power to them. Fools and their money and all that...

ejmaztec

The-Rigger wrote: »

Ah it's no Black Bastard, tbh.


Perhaps we should put our heads together and suggest a flavour for Ben & Jerry's.

"Alamo"

Vanilla Ice-cream, blood-red Strawberry syrup and a Mexican Chilli stuck in the top.

Morlar

RuggieBear wrote: »

never heard of them.

cheeky bunch of lads?

I thought they were well known in scotland rangers' circles no ?

Anyway if you call rape and murder cheeky then yes they were a tad. Dont worry though they were sent packing ;

"Alexander Will, from Forfar in Scotland, was the first Black and Tan to die in the conflict, during an IRA attack on the RIC barracks in Rathmore, County Kerry, on 11 July 1920."

Terry

The-Rigger wrote: »

Ah it's no Black Bastard, tbh.


Perhaps we should put our heads together and suggest a flavour for Ben & Jerry's.

911.
Tastes like the hymen blood of 20 virgins with a hint of infidel.

Whoops. That might be a bit insensitive towards Americans.

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't think so. As far as I know Dublin Mudslide has been around a lot longer and the Black and Tan thing is only recent.

Get over it, people. To us its this, to them its a friggin drink.

No, I won't get over it.
It's a pivotal part of Irish history and I refuse to see Irish history re-written in case we offend the British by reminding them of how we were treated by their ancestors.

Nothing pisses me off more than Irish people who try to get others to forget what happened in this country while we were under British rule.

There is no getting over it.
It happened and trying to forget that it happened is an insult to all those who lived and suffered through it.

Roughly 2 million died under British rule in the first half of the 19th century.
Go and tell a Jew that Hitler didn't kill 6 million of their people and then come back to me.