Irish thread on polish forum

tomster

Hi,

I am wondering if there is anything you'd like ask Poles living in Ireland? Do you people have any questions, suggestions, advices, opinions for Polish living in your country? I'm trying to get as many informations as I can, as this thread hasn't been created yet and I honestly don't know if there is any point of doing that. I'm not interested of any "politically correct" threads "how nice and lovely we all are" I get everywhere, but rather to get real opinions and real people involved. The idea is to get to know each other better, to help us integrate and for both - to understand each other. Thread would be in english.

Regards.

dlofnep

Ask them to send more hot women over.

biko

Any questions I may have I ask my Polish friends. Thanks for the offer though.
If you're interested there is a Polish subforum on boards. Here.

tomster

tomster wrote: »

Hi,

I am wondering if there is anything you'd like ask Poles living in Ireland?

Pint?

tomster

dlofnep wrote: »

Ask them to send more hot women over.

You could ask them yourself if the idea goes through... That's the point.

Lands Leaving

Can I have some of that mad polish vodka. Good stuff.

sickpuppy

Id love to ask them how thay can live on 12 euro a week?
How can they eat same bland food everyday?
Why so many of them complain about ireland and still stay here?

Rb

sickpuppy wrote: »

Why so many of them complain about ireland and still stay here?

I'd second this.

tomster

sickpuppy wrote: »

Id love to ask them how thay can live on 12 euro a week?
How can they eat same bland food everyday?
Why so many of them complain about ireland and still stay here?

Again: that's why I'm looking for this thread to be opened.

PS: I honestly don't know the answers...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

sickpuppy wrote: »

Why so many of them complain about ireland and still stay here?

same reason as the rest of us?

Ekancone

rb_ie wrote: »

I'd second this.

Thirded. In fact i would like to apply that question to anyone person who lives here, Irish or otherwise.

Lands Leaving

Some tough intellectual questions here.

Why don't some of them bother to learn english when they have to deal with people who only speak english? I'd learn the language if I was living and working abroad

Plus it'd be a lot easier to chat up polish women if they had a clue what I was saying.

marcsignal

Fair dews tomster, I think it's a good idea

sickpuppy

Im not pulling the piss or being racist.
Ihave worked with polish and mnay other eastern europeans in 5years on building sites in Dublin.
I have rarely heard any positives on anything off them.
They have a look and an attitude as if there coming from a babies funeral.
Miserable incessent complaining about the price of food drink Irish women dress like tramps etc.
Maybe they dont realise that there getting many times the wages they would earn back in Polska.
Also there safety record on building sites is appalling maybe they fear theyll get fired if they dont do acertain job.
Why do so many of them drive without insurance?

Karoma

sickpuppy wrote: »

Id love to ask them how thay can live on 12 euro a week?

By living on cheap "bland" food?

How can they eat same bland food everyday?

Because Ireland is reknowned for its dishes filled with spices, herbs, and all things flavourable. mmmmm, flavourable.

Why so many of them complain about ireland and still stay here?

Ask the Irish the same.

Lands Leaving

Karoma wrote: »

Ask the Irish the same.

But its our right to complain, we didn't move here, why move here if its crap.

btw I don't mind Ireland, there's a lot of bad things yeah, but no more than anywhere else in the western world and a lot less than most of the world.

sickpuppy

Well Karoma being born in a country and complaining about it and emmigrating to one are both very different.
If your pissed off abroad in general people would come home to there mother county.
Iwas born in ireland i didnt choose to emmigrate here,
can you not spot the difference.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I can see it, but I'm not entirely sure how relevant it is.

Lands Leaving

Wait, is this definitely about people from poland?

Not Pledge?

I think Mr. Sheen needs to get back to his own country.

I'm having trouble getting a shine on my desk, any suggestions?

Karoma

With moving from country to country being so easy, and nationalism dead... there's really not that much difference. **** OFF TO ANOTHER HOME, PADDIES!!1!

Owen

sickpuppy wrote: »

How can they eat same bland food everyday?

Polish food is far from bland.

tomster

sickpuppy wrote: »

Im not pulling the piss or being racist.
Ihave worked with polish and mnay other eastern europeans in 5years on building sites in Dublin.
I have rarely heard any positives on anything off them.
They have a look and an attitude as if there coming from a babies funeral.
Miserable incessent complaining about the price of food drink Irish women dress like tramps etc.
Maybe they dont realise that there getting many times the wages they would earn back in Polska.
Also there safety record on building sites is appalling maybe they fear theyll get fired if they dont do acertain job.
Why do so many of them drive without insurance?

No one acuses you for being racist!!! I say again: thats why I wanna open such thread, Irish complaining to other Irish and Poles to other Poles brings us nowhere! I wanna see those complainig Poles answering your questions dude, really! And I wanna see your answer! That could change something, because moaning to a few friends is pointless...

Tha Gopher

daithifleming wrote: »

Thirded.

4th`d!

Come on, how can Irish winters with days usually between 5 and 15 be worse than back home where it is -12? I dunno but most EE I meet here complain the weather is worse than back home.

And is our health service really that awful? Any time me or my mates required hospital attention in the last few years we were seen to in 15 odd minutes None of us have VHI or that craic. I think hospitals were worse years ago, when I was 10 i waited somethin like 5 hours to be assessed when I had a severe flu requiring hospitalisation, was left in the waiting room coughing/puking myself to bits waiting. And when I was younger they even refused to take me at the hospital the first time I went (kidney infection), parents took me bak to the GP who had forwarded me and he had to demand I get admitted.

tomster wrote: »

No one acuses you for being racist!!! I say again: thats why I wanna open such thread, ..

Indeed. Except its nearly always irish people doing the accusing. Check the Polish Drivers thread in Motors to see how tetchy and ludicrous pople can get because someone notices one race are more inclned to certain traits than others. I guess they get all uppity if a yank says we are the biggest drinkers in Europe and to counter it produces a survey showing we fall just behind the Czechs and, a rather surprising Franc Le Tanke, Luxembourg!

Ekancone

ned78 wrote: »

Polish food is far from bland.

Are you kidding? 90% of it consists of turnips and cabbage!

sickpuppy

Dathi thats not fair throw in tinned fish and gherkins and imsure its yummy.

Ekancone

sickpuppy wrote: »

Dathi thats not fair throw in tinned fish and gherkins and imsure its yummy.

Thats the 10%...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

cabbage is ****ing lovely.

and you call yourself Irish. scum.

Ekancone

Mordeth wrote: »

cabbage is ****ing lovely.

and you call yourself Irish. scum.

Polish food tastes like the Iron Curtain.

marcsignal

sickpuppy wrote: »

Id love to ask them how thay can live on 12 euro a week?
How can they eat same bland food everyday?

you could ask most irish students that, if you ignored the fact they spend the rest of their rent allowance and grant money on cd's boose fags and drugs , which is fine too.

Zaph

Tha Gopher wrote: »

And is our health service really that awful? Any time me or my mates required hospital attention in the last few years we were seen to in 15 odd minutes

Lucky you, I spent 26 hours on a trolley in Vincent's A&E earlier this year, so yes, I think people's complaints about the health system here are legitimate. However, that's a different issue and from working with some Polish people the problem they seem to have with the health service here is not the quality, but rather trying to make themselves understood and understanding the doctor themselves. These are people with very good English, but in fairness how many of us could describe our symptoms accurately in a foreign language.

What I've found from working with Russians, Poles and having a girl from Belarus working for me last year is that they seem to live up to the Eastern European stereotype of being pessimists. Everything seems to be conspiring against them, be it the weather, the traffic, public transport, whatever. It always amuses me because they don't get it when you point out that everyone else got wet that morning too, for example.

sebastianlieken

theres a large proportion of polish ppl living in ireland that refuse to learn the native language; english (during the summer, was dealing with a group of contract cleaners, the translator was one of the cleaners 8 year old sons for christ sake!) if u live in a country, the very least you can do is make an effort to learn the language.

polish people tend not to integrate too much with the irish, they mainly socialise within their own groups and thats it!

Xavi6

What's the deal with always wearing black? Black leather jackets, black jeans, black Nike runners. As bad as the feckin emos.

spurious

They should all learn to generalise like us, all the same, bloody Poles.

marcsignal

sebastianlieken wrote: »

polish people tend not to integrate too much with the irish, they mainly socialise within their own groups and thats it!

but that always happens when you have such a large number of immigrants of the same origin coming in anywhere, not that i have any problem with it at all, mind. They perhaps don't integrate, because they don't have to, their own immigrant group is so large and widespread.

I'm irish, in Germany, and despite the fact most Germans speak good English, I had to learn German, because there are not so many Irish or English here to socialise with. I also wanted to understand what the krauts were saying to each other in my social group, in the pub.
I couldn't expect them to all speak in English for my sake.

tomster

sebastianlieken wrote: »

polish people tend not to integrate too much with the irish, they mainly socialise within their own groups and thats it!

I'd love to change it. In any of Irish-Polish threads on polish forum I always fight your corner, but I'm a bit tired of explaining why, what, where. Starting this thread I hope that some of questions may be finally anwered by both sides. Any personal experiences are more than welcomed, as well as your real opinions about Polish! If you'd like to read what Polish think of yous that'd be a good opportunity too... We have to TALK if we wanna live together!

sickpuppy

Some people dont maybe understand how oppressive aregime polish and other eastern european peoples lived under.
Communism probably drained the life clean out of alot of these people.
Tom i dont think we have to talk to live together
Maybe to get on well together we do.
How many Polish people do you know that know anything about they country?
There interest level is zero,
i want ze money thats all they want fair enough i guess,
I lived in holland for 3 years i read about the country learned the language and even if i worked for an irish company i learned Dutch which helped me integrate, even if Dutch people speak great english and aslo helped my employment oppurtunities.
Personally icant think of one positive experience ive had with a polish person.
The huge benefactors of this horde from the east are big business.
Cheap labour for all sorts of contract cleaning labouring work,they work in conditions that irish people wouldnt.
And please dont say thats tough ive seen them working for a full day in heavy rain without proper wet gear on building sites,
whilst irish guys naturally take shelter and they wonder why they are resented.
They are causing a race to the bottom with wages and working conditions a like and not one politican will say there is a need for a quota of emmigrants.
The pc brigade would hound them out of office.

Ekancone

sickpuppy wrote: »

Some people dont maybe understand how oppressive aregime polish and other eastern european peoples lived under.
Communism probably drained the life clean out of alot of these people.
Tom i dont think we have to talk to live together
Maybe to get on well together we do.
How many Polish people do you know that know anything about they country?
There interest level is zero,
i want ze money thats all they want fair enough i guess,
I lived in holland for 3 years i read about the country learned the language and even if i worked for an irish company i learned Dutch which helped me integrate, even if Dutch people speak great english and aslo helped my employment oppurtunities.
Personally icant think of one positive experience ive had with a polish person.
The huge benefactors of this horde from the east are big business.
Cheap labour for all sorts of contract cleaning labouring work,they work in conditions that irish people wouldnt.
And please dont say thats tough ive seen them working for a full day in heavy rain without proper wet gear on building sites,
whilst irish guys naturally take shelter and they wonder why they are resented.
They are causing a race to the bottom with wages and working conditions a like and not one politican will say there is a need for a quota of emmigrants.
The pc brigade would hound them out of office.

Is this a poem?

marcsignal

tomster wrote: »

I'd love to change it. In any of Irish-Polish threads on polish forum I always fight your corner, but I'm a bit tired of explaining why, what, where. Starting this thread I hope that some of questions may be finally anwered by both sides. Any personal experiences are more than welcomed, as well as your real opinions about Polish! If you'd like to read what Polish think of yous that'd be a good opportunity too... We have to TALK if we wanna live together!

Bravo tomster !! your last line says it all, Fairy Play to you

tomster

sickpuppy wrote: »

Some people dont maybe understand.....

Fair play to you. You've got your opinion, and I guess you will post it on my thread if it opens?

I'm not gonna fight and argue now, as this is not about "what Poles are" or "what Irish are" - the idea is to create a thread that allows you to post your opinion and to hit the target (Polish). If you have a problem with Poles living in your country, would be great if you post your perspective. Here on "boards" it would be another "polish" thread...

PS: If you had no positive experiences with any Polish tell me, for God's sake, what people you meet and where do you meet them!? It's the same answer I give to Poles who complain about scumbags, shiny tracksuites and stolen, burned cars around Dublin: "If these are your only experiences you've had in Ireland I feel really sorry for where you're living and what sort of people you meet".

sickpuppy

Tom id be delighted to post on your thread when it opens.
Ill give you an honest opinion if nothing else.

marcsignal

Me too tom, good luck with it

tomster

sickpuppy wrote: »

Tom id be delighted to post on your thread when it opens.
Ill give you an honest opinion if nothing else.

Well, that's its purpose...

bunny shooter

Why do they speak polish to each other when there are non polish speaking people in their company, I think this is very ignorant !

teetotaller

sickpuppy wrote: »

Id love to ask them how thay can live on 12 euro a week?
How can they eat same bland food everyday?

I'd like to ask u why u can eat mc donalds and fast food everyday ?

teetotaller

Lands Leaving wrote: »

Some tough intellectual questions here.

Why don't some of them bother to learn english when they have to deal with people who only speak english?

cos thanks to irish managers we can speak polish in banks courts, hospitals ( translators) , we can speak polish in polish shops and restaurants, we can get law advice in polish language ( irish legal offices employee polish law advisors)

we can buy a car in place where polish saleperson is working, we are going to dunnes, tesco spar, and polish employee is selling goods to us.

And some of us don't want to learn if they have job and in 90% of cases they don't need english

teetotaller

sickpuppy wrote: »

Why do so many of them drive without insurance?

so far I saw more irish driving without insurance, nct and road tax than polish.

demanufactured

I would like to ask them to stop taking fish from our rivers/lakes/canals , there is laws in place now that polish and other non nationals need to adhere to.

Practice catch and release!

SUNGOD

sickpuppy wrote: »

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Also there safety record on building sites is appalling maybe they fear theyll get fired if they dont do acertain job.
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wouldnt a bad safety record actually stop them getting work.i dont understand the second point about only doing a certain job because of a fear of getting fired and what does that that have to do with a safty record ?

teetotaller

daithifleming wrote: »

Are you kidding? 90% of it consists of turnips and cabbage!

do u know what are u talking about? or yours friends friend told u something when u were drinking ?

daithifleming wrote: »

Polish food tastes like the Iron Curtain.

???????

sickpuppy wrote: »

Some people dont maybe understand how oppressive aregime polish and other eastern european peoples lived under.
Communism probably drained the life clean out of alot of these people.
Tom i dont think we have to talk to live together
Maybe to get on well together we do.
How many Polish people do you know that know anything about they country?
There interest level is zero,
i want ze money thats all they want fair enough i guess,
I lived in holland for 3 years i read about the country learned the language and even if i worked for an irish company i learned Dutch which helped me integrate, even if Dutch people speak great english and aslo helped my employment oppurtunities.

Three and half years ago irish people asked me if Poland is in Asia , close to east boarder of Russia and if we speak russian and have funny letters in alphabet ( cyrylica )

is_that_so

I can understand the mentality of some of the migrants. They want to earn and save lots of money and go back home. Some of them may not be very well-educated anyway and may not have any foreign language. What's more language learning costs money and some may see no advantage whatsoever in spending hard-earned money learning.

I can also understand the targetting of the Polish community by businesses. In Irish terms they are a very large community at this stage. I personally don't agree with it but it is cheaper and quicker to get it translated, employ a few Poles rather than assume people can speak English.

This all reminds me of the Irish I met in Germany many moons back. They were little different. They were there for the money and the beer in the Irish pubs. I spoke more German in 6 months than some of them bothered to learn in 3 years.

bunny shooter wrote: »

Why do they speak polish to each other when there are non polish speaking people in their company, I think this is very ignorant !

I agree but we would do and probably have done exactly the same. It is hard to "include people" unless one is competent enough in another language .

greatgoal

i would love these people to go back where they came from:mad: