does anyone NOT believe there is a NWO/Illuminati global agenda

zarathustra

"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs


"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other." Myron Fagan

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers.

"An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers." U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind." George Herbert Walker Bush

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation

"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. " British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

"What is important is to dwell upon the increasing evidence of the existence of a secret conspiracy, throughout the world, for the destruction of organized government and the letting loose of evil." Christian Science Monitor editorial, June 19th, l920

"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

"From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in 1922.

"We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world." Professor Arnold Toynbee, in a June 1931 speech before the Institute for the Study of International Affairs in Copenhagen.

"The government of the Western nations, whether monarchical or republican, had passed into the invisible hands of a plutocracy, international in power and grasp. It was, I venture to suggest, this semi-occult power which....pushed the mass of the American people into the cauldron of World War I." British military historian Major General J.F.C. Fuller, l941

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

"The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson." A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, 1933

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure." Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times.

"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite." Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The case for government by elites is irrefutable." Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, stated at a 1963 symposium entitled: The Elite and the Electorate - Is Government by the People Possible?

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future." U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups." Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966,) Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by his former student, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.

"The Council on Foreign Relations is "the establishment." Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship." Former Congressman John Rarick 1971

"The directors of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) make up a sort of Presidium for that part of the Establishment that guides our destiny as a nation." The Christian Science Monitor, September 1, l961

"The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault." CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs.

"The planning of UN can be traced to the 'secret steering committee' established by Secretary [of State Cordell] Hull in January 1943. All of the members of this secret committee, with the exception of Hull, a Tennessee politician, were members of the Council on Foreign Relations. They saw Hull regularly to plan, select, and guide the labors of the [State] Department's Advisory Committee. It was, in effect, the coordinating agency for all the State Department's postwar planning." Professors Laurence H. Shoup and William Minter, writing in their study of the CFR, "Imperial Brain Trust: The CFR and United States Foreign Policy." (Monthly Review Press, 1977).

"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government." Harpers, July l958

"The old world order changed when this war-storm broke. The old international order passed away as suddenly, as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic flood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world order died with the setting of that day's sun and a new world order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow." Nicholas Murray Butler, in an address delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915

"The peace conference has assembled. It will make the most momentous decisions in history, and upon these decisions will rest the stability of the new world order and the future peace of the world." M. C. Alexander, Executive Secretary of the American Association for International Conciliation, in a subscription letter for the periodical International Conciliation (1919)

"If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a new world order, actuated by complete understanding and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment. If we are ever to approach that time, it will be after patient and persistent effort of long duration. The present international situation of mistrust and fear can only be corrected by a formula of equal status, continuously applied, to every phase of international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out of the minds of the people of all lands." Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, president of the World Federation of Education Associations (August 1927), quoted in the book International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World (1931)

"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people." H. G. Wells, in his book entitled The New World Order (1939)

"The term Internationalism has been popularized in recent years to cover an interlocking financial, political, and economic world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government. Today Internationalism is heralded from pulpit and platform as a 'League of Nations' or a 'Federated Union' to which the United States must surrender a definite part of its National Sovereignty. The World Government plan is being advocated under such alluring names as the 'New International Order,' 'The New World Order,' 'World Union Now,' 'World Commonwealth of Nations,' 'World Community,' etc. All the terms have the same objective; however, the line of approach may be religious or political according to the taste or training of the individual." Excerpt from A Memorial to be Addressed to the House of Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies of the Protestant Episcopal Church in General Convention (October 1940)

zarathustra

"The term Internationalism has been popularized in recent years to cover an interlocking financial, political, and economic world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government. Today Internationalism is heralded from pulpit and platform as a 'League of Nations' or a 'Federated Union' to which the United States must surrender a definite part of its National Sovereignty. The World Government plan is being advocated under such alluring names as the 'New International Order,' 'The New World Order,' 'World Union Now,' 'World Commonwealth of Nations,' 'World Community,' etc. All the terms have the same objective; however, the line of approach may be religious or political according to the taste or training of the individual." Excerpt from A Memorial to be Addressed to the House of Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies of the Protestant Episcopal Church in General Convention (October 1940)

"In the first public declaration on the Jewish question since the outbreak of the war, Arthur Greenwood, member without portfolio in the British War Cabinet, assured the Jews of the United States that when victory was achieved an effort would be made to found a new world order based on the ideals of 'justice and peace.'" Excerpt from article entitled "New World Order Pledged to Jews," in The New York Times (October 1940)

"If totalitarianism wins this conflict, the world will be ruled by tyrants, and individuals will be slaves. If democracy wins, the nations of the earth will be united in a commonwealth of free peoples, and individuals, wherever found, will be the sovereign units of the new world order." The Declaration of the Federation of the World, produced by the Congress on World Federation, adopted by the Legislatures of North Carolina (1941), New Jersey (1942), Pennsylvania (1943), and possibly other states.

"New World Order Needed for Peace: State Sovereignty Must Go, Declares Notre Dame Professor"
Title of article in The Tablet (Brooklyn) (March 1942)

"Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles tonight called for the early creation of an international organization of anti-Axis nations to control the world during the period between the armistice at the end of the present war and the setting up of a new world order on a permanent basis." Text of article in The Philadelphia Inquirer (June 194

"The statement went on to say that the spiritual teachings of religion must become the foundation for the new world order and that national sovereignty must be subordinate to the higher moral law of God." American Institute of Judaism, excerpt from article in The New York Times (December 1942)

"There are some plain common-sense considerations applicable to all these attempts at world planning. They can be briefly stated: 1. To talk of blueprints for the future or building a world order is, if properly understood, suggestive, but it is also dangerous. Societies grow far more truly than they are built. A constitution for a new world order is never like a blueprint for a skyscraper." Norman Thomas, in his book What Is Our Destiny? (1944)

"He [John Foster Dulles] stated directly to me that he had every reason to believe that the Governor [Thomas E. Dewey of New York] accepts his point of view and that he is personally convinced that this is the policy that he would promote with great vigor if elected. So it is fair to say that on the first round the Sphinx of Albany has established himself as a prima facie champion of a strong and definite new world order." Excerpt from article by Ralph W. Page in The Philadelphia Bulletin (May 1944)

"Alchemy for a New World Order" Article by Stephen John Stedman in Foreign Affairs (May/June 1995)

"The United Nations, he told an audience at Harvard University, 'has not been able--nor can it be able--to shape a new world order which events so compellingly demand.' ... The new world order that will answer economic, military, and political problems, he said, 'urgently requires, I believe, that the United States take the leadership among all free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach.'" Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, in an article entitled "Rockefeller Bids Free Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World Order" -- The New York Times (February 1962)

"The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking is reflected in a disposition to consider problems and loyalties in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a new world order." Richard Nixon, in Foreign Affairs (October 1967)

"He [President Nixon] spoke of the talks as a beginning, saying nothing more about the prospects for future contacts and merely reiterating the belief he brought to China that both nations share an interest in peace and building 'a new world order.'" Excerpt from an article in The New York Times (February 1972)

"If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies, not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault." Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)

"The existing order is breaking down at a very rapid rate, and the main uncertainty is whether mankind can exert a positive role in shaping a new world order or is doomed to await collapse in a passive posture. We believe a new order will be born no later than early in the next century and that the death throes of the old and the birth pangs of the new will be a testing time for the human species." Richard A. Falk, in an article entitled "Toward a New World Order: Modest Methods and Drastic Visions," in the book On the Creation of a Just World Order (1975)

"My country's history, Mr. President, tells us that it is possible to fashion unity while cherishing diversity, that common action is possible despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs we see here in this chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable. So we say to all peoples and governments: Let us fashion together a new world order." Henry Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of the United Nations, October 1975)

"At the old Inter-American Office in the Commerce Building here in Roosevelt's time, as Assistant Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs under President Truman, as chief whip with Adlai Stevenson and Tom Finletter at the founding of the United Nations in San Francisco, Nelson Rockefeller was in the forefront of the struggle to establish not only an American system of political and economic security but a new world order." Part of article in The New York Times (November 1975)

"A New World Order" Title of article on commencement address at the University of Pennsylvania by Hubert H. Humphrey, printed in the Pennsylvania Gazette (June 1977)

"Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for universal consensus in the movement towards a new world order." Mikhail Gorbachev, in an address at the United Nations (December 198

"We believe we are creating the beginning of a new world order coming out of the collapse of the U.S.-Soviet antagonisms." Brent Scowcroft (August 1990), quoted in The Washington Post (May 1991)

"We can see beyond the present shadows of war in the Middle East to a new world order where the strong work together to deter and stop aggression. This was precisely Franklin Roosevelt's and Winston Churchill's vision for peace for the post-war period." Richard Gephardt, in The Wall Street Journal (September 1990)

"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long." President George Bush (January 1991)

"But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush's mind the New World Order was founded on a convergence of goals and interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council." Excerpt from A. M. Rosenthal, in The New York Times (January 1991)

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." Excert From David Rockefellars Memoirs published in 2002 (page 405)

Gordon Brown New World Order speech
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7c0_1179484520

and a more recent one made from within "The City" or square mile London (one of the worlds most powerful financial centres, second)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8l6Af74rCY

"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
-George Washington, 1782

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
-Benjamin Disraeli, 1844

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
-Woodrow Wilson, 1913

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
-Woodrow Wilson, 1916

"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United States a member of a World Government."
-American Mercury Magazine, 1957

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they will rule the future."
-U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964

zarathustra

John Swinton, editor of the New York Tribune, called by his peers, "the dean of his profession," was asked on February 26th, 1936, to give a toast before the New York Press Association. He responded with the following statements:There is no such thing as an independent press in America, unless it is in the country towns. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print.
"I am paid $150.00 a week for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should permit honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, like Othello, before twenty-four hours, my occupation would be gone.
"The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual prostitutes."

humanji

I heart cut&paste

zarathustra

humanji wrote: »

I heart cut&paste

try to make a meaningful contribution, or just don't bother, read a different thread

Hobbes

zarathustra wrote: »

try to make a meaningful contribution, or just don't bother, read a different thread

TLDR.

Summaries are your friend.

humanji

zarathustra wrote: »

try to make a meaningful contribution, or just don't bother, read a different thread

Did you read it, or did you just cut and paste it from the same site you got all the other stuff? And what's you're opinion on it? Is anything in those posts your own writing?

Mahatma coat

to all those people who bemoan the Youtube videos,

would you rather this?

bonkey

I'd rather someone express their own opinion in their own words, and link to reference material - preferably in a written form - as appropriate....seeing as you ask.

Put differently - no, I would not prefer a cut-and-paste job to a link to youtube with equally little commentary added by the poster.

Jocksereire

go on then ..........EndGame (its not youtube by the way )
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261

aidan_walsh

does anyone NOT believe there is a NWO/Illuminati global agenda

o/

zarathustra

Mahatma coat wrote: »

to all those people who bemoan the Youtube videos,

would you rather this?

You will find lots of people just moan for the sake of moaning, its their hobby, sometimes it is the only contribution they can make. He hates cut'n'paste, he hates youtube, next he will tell us he hates typing, computers the internet, modern technology, and when he can't moan about that, he will find something else to moan about. This is a conspiracy forum, not the readers moaning pages of woman's weekly, nobody cares if you like/dislike cut'n'paste, that has nothing to do with any kind of conspiracy.

Those quotes above were taken from various articles I read previously, the origins of them is listed.

and here is G Bush snr telling you about the NWO, interesting to note he spoke of the NWO on 9/11, ten years before 9/11/2001.
You should also note that Bush is not directing his speech at the public, he is talking to his fellow snr members in what is known as the Illuminati, when he talks of the NWO and the vision of the UNs founding members he is refering to the CFR which created the UN, and the SMOM which created the CFR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

zarathustra

the rich elite refering to YOU as cannon fodder (forward to 8th min of clip), the UNCED (unsaid) meeting which was attending by some of the wealthy elite banksters that control the worlds politics, Edmond de Rothschilds was one of the speakers

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6642758020554799808&q=unced&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

rofl

that was hilarious

Jocksereire

indeed almost as hilarious as posting a link to penn and teller to try prove a point

humanji

zarathustra wrote: »

This is a conspiracy forum, not the readers moaning pages of woman's weekly, nobody cares if you like/dislike cut'n'paste, that has nothing to do with any kind of conspiracy.

This is the point you're missing. It's a conspiracy forum. For the discussion of conspiracy theories. Not a place for you to paste stuff you got off other webpages and then not comment on them at all. THAT is what the problem is.
Eliminate the dialogue and all you get are hundreds of links to other sites, with nobody actually talking about anything. Thus destroying the forum!

Jocksereire

Lad post whtever you like. They are all quotes from people belonging to NWO which is MUCH stronger arguement than someones opinion!.
Note that not one person has commented or argued the evidence presented and they try derail the topic.

humanji

Actually, I couldn't be arsed reading it as it offers no personal opinons from the OP. It's not an attempt to derail the topic, it's an attempt to create discussion rather than having this thread end up like every other thread in this forum (ie thousands of links for and against the points, with no indivual opinions).

Jocksereire

Aaron Russo talks about his discussions with the rockerfellers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1263677258215075609&hl=en

humanji

Seriously, a line or two of your own opinions on the links you provide would go a long way to opening up some sort of debate.

Jocksereire

My opinon is there is a global nwo illuminati agenda. They should all be strung up for countless murders and conspiracy to murder.

A line or two of your opinion would maybe open a debate also since no one has actually given their opinion on the question asked in the thread title

humanji

Jocksereire wrote: »

My opinon is there is a global nwo illuminati agenda. They should all be strung up for countless murders and conspiracy to murder.

There, see? Now we have a starting point, something the OP neglected to insert.

A line or two of your opinion would maybe open a debate also since no one has actually given their opinion on the question asked in the thread title

Actually, the OP didn't post a question, he pasted stuff they found on the net and since they can't be arsed commenting on it, I don't see why anyone else should.

But anyway, in response to your own post I should state my position first. I kind of do believe in a sort of NWO type group, but not in the sinister sense. I see it as a group or people who know each other and help each other out. Just like, if my friends needed something that I could help them with, I would. The difference is that these poeple are rich and powerful and so they have much more sway and ability. I don't believe they're trying to take over the world, I just think they're trying to further themselves. It's all just simple greed. I also don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, but I do believe that the US government used it as a perfect chance to get what they want (more power, again, it's just greed).

Now, with regards to the Russo interview, I don't believe it at all. Firstly, it's a guy telling us that someone else told him these things. Not exactly solid evidence.

Also, I can't help but feel that there's an agenda here other than spreading what they call the truth. It was Alex Jones interviewing him, wasn't it? Personally, I don't trust Jones at all, and I don't think I'll ever be able to take any "evidence" he provides seriously. He just seems to be a sham artist who warps things to fit his conspiracies.

As for Russo, again, I don't know if I could trust him. The man was targeted for tax evasion and then released a film attacking the US tax system, yet claims that it's all coincidence? And it also strikes me that he's just bitter about his failed political career. It just seems like he's trying to get himself noticed one last time before he disappears into oblivion.

With regards the information he tells us Rockefeller told him, not everything seems sinister. At the start he tells us that something is going to happen and then at the end mentions searching caves for Osama. This just strikes me as him slipping the last bit in to make it more sinister. And it was a safe bet the US was giong to invade the middle east. People had been waiting for it since the cold war, so there's nothing exactly new there. As I said before, Bush and Co just used 9/11 as an excuse, but it was going to happen sooner or later.

The Kiss My Ass card (I like that name ), are they going to get every cop in america to recognise this card and nobody will utter a word? And anyway, high ranking officials and business folk already have that sort of privilage. They get stopped and if they're not recognised, a quick call to the police chief (who they golf with) and it's sorted.

The other parts about indermining family values is nonsense, in my opinon. If they really wanted to control people, then promoting the family unit would make them more money and create happier people, less likely to revolt.

All in all, I don't believe a word of what he says in the clip, and even if it's true, it seems a safe bet that he's warping it for show.

zarathustra

Jocksereire wrote: »

My opinon is there is a global nwo illuminati agenda. They should all be strung up for countless murders and conspiracy to murder.

A line or two of your opinion would maybe open a debate also since no one has actually given their opinion on the question asked in the thread title

For sure there is an Illuminati or New World Order agenda. The "Old World Order" was the Holy Roman Empire. There is nothing new about the plan for control of the world, its what the so-called "Royal" families have been part of for centuries, and their families are linked through inter-marriages it goes back many centuries. the illuminati that is known today was created by the Jesuit order, through Adam Weishaupt. The world was very different at that time and the Roman Catholic church was very powerful, I am sure most of you know about the Inquisitions, corruption of the Popes and so on and the political power that the Roman Catholic church held. The Lutheran Reformation changed Europe, and the Vatican lost alot of its power and money (as the Lutherans were no longer paying to the Roman Catholic Church). The Jesuit Order itself was set up to destroy the Protestant Reformation, soon they became the most feared order in Europe and eventually took control of the Vatican in 1870. They also had control of the Illuminati, thus they had influence over the wealthy and powerful families in Europe. Anyone who got in their way was dealt with. The Jesuits were banished from more than 80 countries worldwide for political manipulation, and one thing the Jesuit order are experts at is revenge. The Jesuits still have control of the Vatican to this day, and they are still very powerful in what is known as the Illuminati or NWO agenda.

If you look at many of the very powerful business and political leaders, one thing very many of them have in common is that they are members of the Knights of Malta, or SMOM. The SMOM created the CFR and they have PERMANENT observer status at the UN. The CFR created the UN. Many of the members of the CFR are zionists, and this is why so many people imagine there is a "Jewish" or zionist conspiracy. But the CFR itself is under the control of the SMOM. And if you look at some of the most powerful zionists, such as today the most powerful zionist in USA is Henry Kissinger. Kissinger is SMOM. All members of the SMOM have sworn LIFELONG allegiance to the Vatican, it is the Vaticans SMOM. Study the history of the SMOM. The HQ of the SMOM was in Rome until recently when they have now returned to Malta.

The Queen of England, for example, is the leader of the British arm of the SMOM. And the Queen is no exception to any other member of the SMOM, and all members have sworn allegince to the Vatican, even though the Queen is supposed to be the leader of the "opposing" Church of England. G Bush snr, Rupert Murdoch are SMOM.

Most people know about the power and wealth of the Knights Templars and what they achieved. The system we live in today was pretty much designed by the Templars. They were the first international banksters. The Papacy was jealous and fearful of their power, so he had them squashed, murdered many of them, and gave their power to the Knights of Malta. The heads of the powerful banks, such as the Rothschilds, are SMOM. If you research the SMOM, you will realise how much power thay do have. And remember the SMOM are loyal to the Vatican, and the Vatican is under the control of the Jesuit Order. This is why Hitler, Napolean so much admired the Jesuits. It is worth reading what both of those men said about the jesuit order.

Jocksereire

what i have read the Illuminiati came from the knights templar who escaped to scotland kept their head low for a while and changed their name to freemasons. I read nothing about their allegiance to the vactican and quite the opposite that they worshipped satan hence sub groups such as skull and bones and bohemian grove rituals which were born from this.

zarathustra

Jocksereire wrote: »

what i have read the Illuminiati came from the knights templar who escaped to scotland kept their head low for a while and changed their name to freemasons. I read nothing about their allegiance to the vactican and quite the opposite that they worshipped satan hence sub groups such as skull and bones and bohemian grove rituals which were born from this.

Freemasonry is all linked in with what is known as the NWO. The world leader of freemasonry is the Jesuit Superior General.

The Templars were wiped out by the Papacy, and the Templars powers and wealth was handed over to the loyal Knights of Malta, who are an older order. The Vatican has admitted only fairly recently that they falsified information on the Templars. It was all done just to squash them. There are stories of the Templars still surviving and so on, but in reality any of the who survived merged with the SMOM.

There were previous versions of what is now known as the Illuminati, involving the powerful bloodline families who held all the power and wealth. The present version was created by the Jesuit order, using Adam Weishaupt. There are various circles in the Illuminati such as the council of 13 of the bavarian illuminati, the committee of 300, grand orient, the supreme 33rd degree council and high level b'nai b'rith. They are under the control of the vatican and the Jesuit order.

Jocksereire

well whether past stories differ or not i just hope i see the day that the present NWO movment as described by the late aaron russo are exposed and brought down

zarathustra

Jocksereire wrote: »

well whether past stories differ or not i just hope i see the day that the present NWO movment as described by the late aaron russo are exposed and brought down

That is unlikely, most people don't really care about corruption, they are more interested in english football, soap stars, whats on in Hollywood etc.

Mahatma coat

zarathustra wrote: »

That is unlikely, most people don't really care about corruption, they are more interested in english football, soap stars, whats on in Hollywood etc.

W00T

actual opinion!

theres hope for you yet Zar.

tis shockin the amount of sh!te they foist upon the masses to keep us distracted

'bread and circuses' as the old adage goes.

remember de day Di died? well, at about the same time the whole CJH story broke for the first time. I remember commenting on it at the time that they couldnt have planned a bigger distraction.

Jocksereire

zarathustra wrote: »

That is unlikely, most people don't really care about corruption, they are more interested in english football, soap stars, whats on in Hollywood etc.

and this is the shocking and sad truth of todays society. What could change the way society thinks today do you think? Anyone?

Nick_oliveri

A new world order?

zarathustra

Jocksereire wrote: »

and this is the shocking and sad truth of todays society. What could change the way society thinks today do you think? Anyone?

Most people have been brainwashed by the system we live in today. Take the media for example, the constant bombardment with mediocrity that is supposed to be interesting. The likes of BB, Stars in their Eyes, Paris Hilton, Jordan and so on. Mediocre football games have huge support in UK and USA, there are so many people who could tell you som many trivial details about the Man U football teams, but they know so little about their own government and how their country is run.
There is also the problem of the "herd-mentality", people afraid to speak out or rock the boat as they are worried of being knocked down by the rest of the herd.
The schooling system is another problem for most countries. The advertising campaigns of the big businesses has also added enormously to the brainwashing of the public. The food chain is terribly corrupted and doing alot of damage to the populations.
If people were educated as to how much more potential they have and how they are being brainwashed by tv and so on, then most probably would respond positively and would think more for themselves, but the problem lies in starting that process. The whole mainstream newsmedia is controlled by the Illuminati, and this constantly pushing mediocrity and the dumbing down of society is very much at the central of their agenda. It is at a stage now that most people don't even care if 9/11 was an inside job, most people don't care how many people in Iraq are suffering, they are more interested in eating fast-food, watching sport, playing video games and so on.

The best anyone can do is educate themselves. And I would say the first thing people should educate themselves on is their own health.

As for taking the power and control away from the current NWO, that would involve a huge revolution, which isn't going to happen, and the entire media-system would have to be overturned and run by honest individuals, but that isn't going to happen either.