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    #272
    Zulu
    Registered Users Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Why the Department of Defence? What do you want them to do with it?
    to shoot down the plane I'd imagine - but what he's neglecting to notice is that the Air Corps are doing this obviously, as any of the commercial fleet wouldn't be able to fly tankers in secret from air traffic control etc..


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    #273
    Zulu
    Registered Users Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    I don't think they'll freely give you information on one of their black-ops


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    #274
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    But if they're in on it (and being the government, they are) then why would they even bother replying. And, if the government are as underhanded as you say, wouldn't this be putting your own life in jeopardy? Wouldn't they want to shut you up?


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    #275
    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    humanji wrote: »
    But if they're in on it (and being the government, they are) then why would they even bother replying. And, if the government are as underhanded as you say, wouldn't this be putting your own life in jeopardy? Wouldn't they want to shut you up?

    You are right they have not replied to any correspondence so far.

    As for fear, you are going to die some day, might as well be defending your liberty as opposed to dying in some nursing home having lived on your knees, yes sire, no sire. Look into the history of the Soviet Union if you want an insight into the imminent future.


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    #276
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Well aren't you going to die a rather pointless death if all you did was let your enemy know who and where you are and what you know?


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    #277
    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    humanji wrote: »
    Well aren't you going to die a rather pointless death if all you did was let your enemy know who and where you are and what you know?

    Just you stay in dreamland. A lot of people enjoy enslavement.


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    #278
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    ...aand, we're into cryptic comment territory.

    rigormortis, I believe you're a liar. I don't think you have any evidence whatsoever.

    It would be incredibly easy to prove me wrong.


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    #279
    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    ...aand, we're into cryptic comment territory.

    rigormortis, I believe you're a liar. I don't think you have any evidence whatsoever.

    It would be incredibly easy to prove me wrong.

    If this was easily referenced would we be having this conversation? I can provide many websites and so on, what use is that, i can predict the responses a mile off.

    As for evidence I have hundreds of pictures taken over the last year. I just need Bertie to back my evidence. I'm expecting this any day.


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    #280
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rigormortis wrote: »
    Just you stay in dreamland. A lot of people enjoy enslavement.

    Now you've lost me. What has this got to do with my post?
    rigormortis wrote: »
    As for evidence I have hundreds of pictures taken over the last year. I just need Bertie to back my evidence. I'm expecting this any day.

    And why are you hoping the government will support your claims that the government is plotting against you?


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    #281
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    He's just trolling now, and not even trying very hard.


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    #282
    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    humanji wrote: »
    And why are you hoping the government will support your claims that the government is plotting against you?

    Hardly, but if 2 million people started asking questions it would not be long before answers were provided.


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    #283
    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    He's just trolling now, and not even trying very hard.

    Here the person who constantly accuses me of personal attacks.:rolleyes:


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    #284
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rigormortis wrote:
    Hardly, but if 2 million people started asking questions it would not be long before answers were provided.

    And all you have to do is provide some sort of evidence to start convincing people. But that has yet to happen.


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    #285
    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    humanji wrote: »
    And all you have to do is provide some sort of evidence to start convincing people. But that has yet to happen.

    Do your own research. People are so indoctrinated, they need to see something in the media before it is believed. "what we do with our hands we deny with our mouths".


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    #286
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    And there you go again. You claim to have evidence and refuse to show it. You say people should question things, but berate them when they question you. If you honestly want people to know the truth, then why won't you help them?


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    #287
    Zulu
    Registered Users Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    rigormortis wrote: »
    Hardly, but if 2 million people started asking questions it would not be long before answers were provided.
    But of course, I can see it now:

    ...1999997, 1999998, 1999999, 2000000! Ok, you were right, we are spending billions on a secret fleet of flying tankers, that everyday fly over your heads and spray chemicals. We are doing this to poison you btw. Next question?


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    #288
    Jocksereire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Jocksereire


    Any questions?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPqCMIuEk4

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html


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    #289
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Well, the youtube video is the standard youtube evidence (no actual evidence, and I don't speak German, so they could of been talking about downloading porn for all I know).

    As for the article, is the actual report available online? It'd make for interesting reading if it is.


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    #290
    Jocksereire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Jocksereire


    humanji wrote: »
    Well, the youtube video is the standard youtube evidence (no actual evidence, and I don't speak German, so they could of been talking about downloading porn for all I know).
    are you actually going to lower yourself to that kind of a reply? how embarrassing, that is RTL news and that IS actual evidence
    As for the article, is the actual report available online? It'd make for interesting reading if it is.
    email the reporter and ask. is this not more evidence or are you not going to conceed to this also?


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    #291
    Eero New
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31 ✭Eero New


    Jocksereire wrote: »
    are you actually going to lower yourself to that kind of a reply? how embarrassing, that is RTL news and that IS actual evidence

    email the reporter and ask. is this not more evidence or are you not going to conceed to this also?


    I was in Germany for 10 days last week (see pictures on this thread posted earlier). They are getting sprayed just as bad as us in ireland, maybe worse in certain areas.

    One thing about the germans, they have a little memory left, they know that things are not always rosy on the garden. When they see strange things they question the government. As for 'new ireland', I dont think most people could care less.


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    #292
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    The youtube video seems to be a story about a military exercise interfering with weather radar, probably because of chaff being used for radar jamming.

    The Guardian story is interesting, but I don't see any connection with the pretty photographs of contrails we've been looking at on this thread.


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    #293
    Eero New
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31 ✭Eero New


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    The Guardian story is interesting, but I don't see any connection with the pretty photographs of contrails we've been looking at on this thread.

    Pretty? You have a strange appreciation of beauty.

    Anyway, as always, these things are always declassified about 60 years afters the actual events, when a new generation couldnt care less.

    But the sentient person will start thinking that if they were doing that then, would it be such a suprise if something on a much grander scale is happening now? Couple this with some observation of the skies on a daily basis, some research and one will almost certainly come to the conclusion that we are being sprayed. As always, the mindless majority will dismiss such thoughts, as it might upset their little hopes and aspirations.


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    #294
    Jocksereire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Jocksereire


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    The youtube video seems to be a story about a military exercise interfering with weather radar, probably because of chaff being used for radar jamming.
    Yes the report is about german military spraying chemtrails in the sky to disprupt radars, none of your "probably chaff", probably this or probably that..... its chemtrail spraying.
    The Guardian story is interesting, but I don't see any connection with the pretty photographs of contrails we've been looking at on this thread.
    Interesting indeed, do you see a connection between the article and the arguement that chemtrail spraying exists?
    so ends the debate of whether chemtrail spraying in the sky exists or has existed. The discussion should now turn to what they spray in the chemtrails.


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    #295
    Eero New
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31 ✭Eero New


    97895608_03816f45f3.jpg?v=0
    463833549_25d56d10c6.jpg?v=0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocm9fDaO9-M


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    #296
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Jocksereire wrote: »
    are you actually going to lower yourself to that kind of a reply? how embarrassing, that is RTL news and that IS actual evidence

    email the reporter and ask. is this not more evidence or are you not going to conceed to this also?

    No, embarressing is knowing that there's someone out there who will blindly believe what they see in a youttube video without questioning it. The clip doesn't show any concrete evidence and the subtitles were put in by someone else (a proper tv station isn't going to block off half a screen with subtitles and highlight words in it). But then again, aren't we to never believe the media? :rolleyes:

    And the report would be evidence if it's real, otherwise it's meaningless. I don't have it, so I can't say.


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    #297
    Jocksereire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Jocksereire


    humanji wrote: »
    No, embarressing is knowing that there's someone out there who will blindly believe what they see in a youttube video without questioning it. The clip doesn't show any concrete evidence and the subtitles were put in by someone else (a proper tv station isn't going to block off half a screen with subtitles and highlight words in it). But then again, aren't we to never believe the media? :rolleyes:

    And the report would be evidence if it's real, otherwise it's meaningless. I don't have it, so I can't say.
    lol oh dear.....it gets worse..... Blindly believe youtube??:D Is this a youtube production now? Its an RTL production uploaded to youtube with english translation added in.....maybe i should have explained that to you in the first place?

    The clip is translated perfectly, can a "critic" can confirm that to you(i can but i doubt youll believe me).

    Now my advice to you at this stage would be to
    1 maybe you can go and do more investigations yourself on the german chemtrails, its not hard...hint :Google yahoo other search engine etc
    2 maybe you could ask a friend who speaks german to translate for you
    3 maybe you could go and learn german

    but please your doing yourself no favours going down this road and you are embarrassing yourself.
    humanji wrote: »
    And the report would be evidence if it's real, otherwise it's meaningless. I don't have it, so I can't say.
    you emailed the reporter right?


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    #298
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Jocksereire wrote: »
    lol oh dear.....it gets worse..... Blindly believe youtube??:D Is this a youtube production now? Its an RTL production uploaded to youtube with english translation added in.....maybe i should have explained that to you in the first place?

    Oh dear lord, you're missing the point and now you really are humiliating yourself. How many times have youtube videos been presented in this forum as conclusive proof? As I said, I don't speak German, but since the subtitles were added by someone with an agenda (ie highlighting specific words for effect. It's all part of propaganda, you should know that) then I question it. But of course, we then hear the immortal warcry of the "truther": Question everything except what I tell you!
    Jocksereire wrote: »
    The clip is translated perfectly, can a "critic" can confirm that to you(i can but i doubt youll believe me).

    You see, I only pointed out that I didn't speak German and questioned if the subtitles were accurate. But of course you take this personally :rolleyes:

    Then you come out with this little gem:
    Jocksereire wrote: »
    but please your doing yourself no favours going down this road and you are embarrassing yourself.

    So, questioning things is embarrasing yourself? In that case you've been making a holy show of yourself since your first post here.
    Jocksereire wrote: »
    you emailed the reporter right?

    No, I mailed the ministry of defence. Best not getting it from a 3rd party.


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    #299
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Jocksereire wrote: »
    Yes the report is about german military spraying chemtrails in the sky to disprupt radars, none of your "probably chaff", probably this or probably that..... its chemtrail spraying.
    What's the German for "chemtrail"?
    Jocksereire wrote: »
    Interesting indeed, do you see a connection between the article and the arguement that chemtrail spraying exists?
    No. I don't accept the assertion that chemicals were sprayed. The article is about interference with weather radar.
    Jocksereire wrote: »
    so ends the debate of whether chemtrail spraying in the sky exists or has existed.
    Not to my satisfaction, no.


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    #300
    Jocksereire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Jocksereire


    chemicals (plastic substances with metals) were sprayed to interfere with radars. They were picked up on weather radars they did not interfere with them.
    to MY satisfaction yes, its does end the debate as to whether to military were spraying chemtrails.

    explain why it doesnt satify you that these planes did not spray chemicals in the sky?


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    #301
    Jocksereire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Jocksereire


    humanji wrote: »
    Oh dear lord, you're missing the point and now you really are humiliating yourself. How many times have youtube videos been presented in this forum as conclusive proof? As I said, I don't speak German, but since the subtitles were added by someone with an agenda (ie highlighting specific words for effect. It's all part of propaganda, you should know that) then I question it. But of course, we then hear the immortal warcry of the "truther": Question everything except what I tell you!
    You said it could be talking about downloading porn for all you know, you replied with a lazy answer and embarrased yourself. Thats ok we will forget about it soon. have you had an "independent" source translate it for you yet??? :rolleyes: if it gets translated the same as above is it then considered evidence?
    You see, I only pointed out that I didn't speak German and questioned if the subtitles were accurate. But of course you take this personally :rolleyes:
    I didnt take anything personally i just pointed out your laziness
    So, questioning things is embarrasing yourself? In that case you've been making a holy show of yourself since your first post here.
    god im mortified thanks for pointing that out to me :D

    No, I mailed the ministry of defence. Best not getting it from a 3rd party.
    dont forget to email RTL to to get a transcript of their report too. can you post the email you sent?


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