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Micko's view of the Dubs
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13-11-2007 1:59pm#1
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Dont write Vaughan off just yet KOT. The likes of Stafford and Sheridan proved how much a fella who even if he can only take frees can be worth. People spent 5 years saying if we had a free taker........now we have one. And he has bags of talent. Vaughan has it all there for him if he keeps the head and takes it. Huge Huge raw talent. But slow tho. In more ways than one
As for Mossy.....he had a very poor year in 07, but I have faith. Connolly may yet come thru tho and hopefully he does.0 -
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LiamWalkinstown wrote: »Dont write Vaughan off just yet KOT. The likes of Stafford and Sheridan proved how much a fella who even if he can only take frees can be worth. People spent 5 years saying if we had a free taker........now we have one. And he has bags of talent. Vaughan has it all there for him if he keeps the head and takes it. Huge Huge raw talent. But slow tho. In more ways than one
As for Mossy.....he had a very poor year in 07, but I have faith. Connolly may yet come thru tho and hopefully he does.
When the chips were down in the big game against Kerry his freetaking was dire. He is not enough of a natural footballer and was marked out of it by Reidy who was given a torrid time in the 2 previous games to that. I can't honestly believe that a county like Dublin hasn't been scoured and torn apart (at all levels of club football) to unearth a gem of an inside forward. It's not the first time I have heard this about Dublin selectors, that if you are not playing with a senior club then forget about playing for Dublin??? SHOCKING!0 -
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I like Mossy but I have to say he does look sluggish. He just never looks like he's gonna get to the ball ahead of the corner back - and he doesn't. He seems to lack pace at IC level - and that's vital for a guy playing in the corner. Re A Brogan - you can't argue with two All Stars in a row but I think we could get a lot more from him in terms of his vision. This should improve as he matures but he defo has taken the wrong option on too many occasions, running into blind alleys without looking at options around him. He is class but if he sorts that out he'd be awesome! Agree Vaughan merits a place - he can also be a goal threat. A few times this year - especially against Derry - he found acres of space and wasn't used. That needs addressing.
Btw last time we won 4 Leinsters in a row we went on to take Sam. 0 -
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Casey has his on-off games.He seemed to be blowing hot and cold against Laois and in one of the Meath games,the first game.Quality defender but is prone to error.I was nearly calling for him to be replaced after the first Meath game.
Collie Moran has shown himself to be possibly one of the most skilled players on the team but again on some occasions he can skip by 3-4 players with ease and stick it wide but I thought he played well against Laois,Derry and Kerry and he set up the goal for Mossy against Tyrone in 05.However,the captaincy should go to somebody else now.
As for Cosgrove,he is past it.2002 and 2003 were his prime years and he showed shades of past form in 06 against Laois but when it comes to crunch games,he's unfortunate not to take his chances.Interestingly enough,he has never scored as a substitute in big games.I think for the best interest of Dublin he should call it quits.
Goggins has disappeared off the radar.Very tough defender but could give away easy frees and penalties ie against Wexford in 05.Griffin is gone for 08 and Dublin need Shaughnessy in there.He's not afraid to go up front either and score a point.
My lineup is the following with these positions
1.Cluxton
2.O Shaughnessy 3.McConnell 4.Cahill
5.Casey 6.Henry 7.Brennan
8.Whelan 9.Ryan
10.B Brogan/D Magee 11.Moran 12.Cullen
13.Keaney 14.A Brogan(c) 15.Vaughan
Subs bench
J Sherlock
M Quinn
D Connolly
N Billings
D Magee
P Kelly
Blackbelt, were you drunk last night?!
Wholesale changes aren't called for this year. Pillar has been building the team and this will be their third year together. 2 AI semis in the past 2 years. Barry Cahill would be wasted at corner back and is a much better option in the half back line. David Henry at centre back is like a lesser version of Cullen. They talked about a lack of leadership and Cullen going missing last year, Henry is 10 times worse. He can't even mark his man at corner back! Agree on Ger Brennan at wing back (and not just because I'm a Vinnies man! ).
I'm happy with the midfield pairing and they seem to have built up a great partnership with Whelan in the air and Shane Ryan mopping up the breaking ball.
If that half forward line ever starts together in a championship match (with Darren Magee), I'll do the unthinkable and don a Meath jersey! :eek:
In truth, I just don't rate Darren Magee and there are far better players in Dublin who offer more than 20 minutes a game. Bernard Brogan has earned his place there. A half forward line with both Collie Moran and Bryan Cullen is far too defensive imho. If Cullen is moved to centre forward, it'll be as a link man between defence/midfield and attack and to help out in midfield when needed. If that happens, I don't see any need for Collie Moran there aswell. Mossie or Dermot Connolly could both do a job there.
In the full forward line, I'd switch Keaney and Alan Brogan but I wouldn't give the captaincy to Brogan. Cullen, Whelan, Shane Ryan, Cluxton or Cahill would be better for me.
The subs are what led me to believe you were drunk!
Pat Kelly is from Mayo and Neal Billings will be lucky if he gets a call up to the 21's. He's a converted defender and although I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the setup in the future, that certainly wont happen this year. Paddy Andrews might be worth the punt and I'm sure he'll get his run out in the O'Byrne cup (if the GPA end their strike). 0 -
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Cullen based on what I have seen last year (not so much the year before when he was given a bit of a roasting by McDonald) would be a good bet for your captain. He drove the team forward when Kerry were having a purple patch in the 2nd half and in threat of going out of sight and kicked a massive score towards the end which nearly left a damp patch in my jeans. Also for honesty in his performance and consistency over the last 2 years Shane Ryan surely deserves consideration for your captain.
Galvin our captain for next year, more incentive. . . probably nobody outside Kerry wants to see Paul lift sam 0 -
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How did you know I was wasted last night?
I did drown the sorrows last night when I found out my thesis subject had already been done 3 years ago.:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
Take your pick! The inclusion of Darren Magee in the starting line-up was one reason, 4 of the 6 subs from Vinnies including Pat Kelly from Mayo. Best of luck with the thesis anyway, luckily enough I got that over with last year.
Kerry On Tour wrote: »Galvin our captain for next year, more incentive. . . probably nobody outside Kerry wants to see Paul lift sam
And you'd be right. I can't stand Paul Galvin, possibly stemming from that waterbottle incident a couple of years ago. I'd have much more respect for the O'Se brothers and wouldn't begrudge any of them the captaincy.I tend to view Alan Brogan and our own John Mullane in the same light: both are undoubtedly talented, can score amazing points and are potential match winners on their day. However more often than not however, they tend to wander down blind alleys and tend to be somewhat self indulgent in their play, going for the more complicated, flashy scores when the simpler option of finding a team mate in better position is the better one. Both players need to mature i a big way and do so fast if they're ever to realise their undoubted potential.
There are some similarities between the 2 but I still think people are being a little harsh on Alan Brogan. He has won 2 consecutive All Stars and is a vital player for Dublin. Some of his link-up play with brother Bernard was top class aswell.0 -
Take your pick! The inclusion of Darren Magee in the starting line-up was one reason, 4 of the 6 subs from Vinnies including Pat Kelly from Mayo. Best of luck with the thesis anyway, luckily enough I got that over with last year.
And you'd be right. I can't stand Paul Galvin, possibly stemming from that waterbottle incident a couple of years ago. I'd have much more respect for the O'Se brothers and wouldn't begrudge any of them the captaincy.
Entirely the fault of John Toal who caming on and knocked him over, had no business getting involved. I was right there that day and Galvin initially just ask for a sup of water (which is common place, I play in the full forward line and often ask the keeper for a drink or the guy who runs out with the bottle for a sup, no problems). Galvin was STUPID that day to get involved and I was cursing him, should have just let him off! I think he has improved though this year, doesn't get stuck in half as much stupid stuff. And he will have to improve again if he is to represent his county as captain.0 -
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He's just one of those players I don't like. I'm not doubting his ability or importance to the Kerry team, I just don't like his attitude and some of the cynical crap he does (and gets away with) on the pitch. The cynical rugby tackle he made on Paul Casey this year as he made a break forward was the final straw for me.
Can see where you are coming from. I have similar reservations about Dooher in particular and others alike while not doubting their performance absolutely cant abide him.
On Galvin, yes he is niggly and still rougish but has cleaned up his act to an extent. He's North Kerry anyway so hes bound to be rough! 0 -
Kerry On Tour wrote: »Can see where you are coming from. I have similar reservations about Dooher in particular and others alike while not doubting their performance absolutely cant abide him.
On Galvin, yes he is niggly and still rougish but has cleaned up his act to an extent. He's North Kerry anyway so hes bound to be rough!
i agree he has cleaned up he's act to a certain extent but i think its the rougish style and the in your face way he plays that actually makes him the vital player to Kerry that he is, theres enough guys there to do the pretty stuff and i think if he cut out all the niggly stuff, rougish tendancies he wouldn be half as effective as he is and at least no one can question he's work rate0 -
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I think people are being a bit harsh on Collie Moran here. He's not a forward, simple as. I'd like to see him given a shot at wing back, last time he played there he was very impressive. He's far better than Paul Casey anyway. He's even been playing centre back for Leinster in the interprovincials for the past few years and has excelled there. I'd like to see the captaincy passed on to someone else though.
On Paul Galvin, he's a quality player and is vital to the way Kerry play. He's that link between defence/midfield and attack and never stops running/fouling!! Him being a little bollix is all part of his game! 0 -
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