Joe Dalton - Healer

gepmcd

'magic healer' would fall under 'witchcraft', which is the work of the devil. Pharoahs 'magicians' were no power for the 'signs' given through Moses. You have to go the source of the healings. Many satanists (eg, 'new agers' are into healings) the fruit tells you the source. As for money, 'freely we have received and freely we give', we do not charge for the gifts of the Spirit are freely given, but as Scripture says, 'the labourer deserves his wages', gift offerings are different from 'charging', they are freely given. So called 'faith healers' always charge for their 'services', and 'by their fruits we recognise them', as far as I know Joe Dalton never asks for money or charges for his services. He leaves that up to the Lord who 'supplies all our needs'.

MrStuffins

I do apologise if I have been a little insensitive or even rude, but personally I think whether you're atheist, creationist or anythingist, the practice of "Faith Healing" is a disgusting one!

It's one thing to have beliefs in a God, whatever or whomever that God may be, but for people to then come along and exploit your beliefs and your love of God and combine that with your illness in an attempt to do nothing more than take your money is beyond words and it makes me incredibly angry! So again, I do apologise, but these people are not human!

gepmcd

Whenever we talk about 'heart', we are not talking about an organ. Scripture defines the 'heart' as the core or centre of the personality of a person, being made up or mind, will and emotions'. What lies within the 'heart' Jesus says comes out of the mouth, so He is not talking about a 'pump',.

MrStuffins

gepmcd wrote: »

as far as I know Joe Dalton never asks for money or charges for his services. He leaves that up to the Lord who 'supplies all our needs'.

jimm55 wrote: »

it costs 100 euros, but that incloods meals and b & b saturday night.

He charges €100! God gave him a gift to heal the sick and he's charging people for it!

Did Jesus charge for healing the sick?

Monty Burnz

gepmcd wrote: »

'magic healer' would fall under 'witchcraft', which is the work of the devil. Pharoahs 'magicians' were no power for the 'signs' given through Moses. You have to go the source of the healings. Many satanists (eg, 'new agers' are into healings) the fruit tells you the source. As for money, 'freely we have received and freely we give', we do not charge for the gifts of the Spirit are freely given, but as Scripture says, 'the labourer deserves his wages', gift offerings are different from 'charging', they are freely given. So called 'faith healers' always charge for their 'services', and 'by their fruits we recognise them', as far as I know Joe Dalton never asks for money or charges for his services. He leaves that up to the Lord who 'supplies all our needs'.

How can you tell that Joe Dalton hasn't been deceived by Satan as to the source of his claimed gifts?

11:3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Or perhaps Joe is not acting on behalf of the Lord, but on behalf of another power?

14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

PDN

MrStuffins wrote: »

I do apologise if I have been a little insensitive or even rude, but personally I think whether you're atheist, creationist or anythingist, the practice of "Faith Healing" is a disgusting one!

It's one thing to have beliefs in a God, whatever or whomever that God may be, but for people to then come along and exploit your beliefs and your love of God and combine that with your illness in an attempt to do nothing more than take your money is beyond words and it makes me incredibly angry! So again, I do apologise, but these people are not human!

And if Joe Dalton doing what he's doing is indeed "an attempt to do nothing more than take your money" then that would be a very valid criticism. However, much as I disagree with some of Joe Dalton's beliefs, I'm not convinced that is the case.

My impression is that he genuinely believes that he has a calling to pray for people, and that some some people do indeed get healed as a result. I know a number of people who were prayed for by him and there was no requirement to pay any money at all. After all, it is a very valid part of Christianity for believers to pray for one another.

He charges €100! God gave him a gift to heal the sick and he's charging people for it!

Did Jesus charge for healing the sick?

I think you're really stretching here. If he runs an event that includes bed & breakfast and meals then, based on my experience in organising conferences and seminars, €100 euro sounds like a break-even figure. No-one is going to get rich on that after B&B + meals is paid for.

gepmcd

MrStuffins wrote: »

He charges €100! God gave him a gift to heal the sick and he's charging people for it!

Did Jesus charge for healing the sick?

100 euros maybe the charge for the accomodation and meals, as for laying hands or praying for people,no price is involved. When we talk about 'costs', Joe gave up a lucrative singing career, a full time job with a secure pension, with a mortgate and a family to feed would you be prepard to give up all your 'securities' for a life of 'faith', this is what is called 'walking on water' . In an age that leans heavily on insurance, Joe has learnt that 'The Lord is my insurance nothing more shall I want' (Ps 23) Amen!!!!

MrStuffins

Ok, that's all fair enough.

Is there any proof of Joe ever actually healing anyone?

I feel that these "healers" feed of the Christian trait of non questioning of beliefs and "faith" and will buy into it without ever seeing or even asking to see any proof whatsoever.

The only thing i've ever heard is anecdotal evidence, which of course holds as much truth as if I were to tell you that my friend told me he had a house made entirely of cheese on Jupiter.

MrStuffins

gepmcd wrote: »

100 euros maybe the charge for the accomodation and meals, as for laying hands or praying for people,no price is involved. When we talk about 'costs', Joe gave up a lucrative singing career, a full time job with a secure pension, with a mortgate and a family to feed would you be prepard to give up all your 'securities' for a life of 'faith', this is what is called 'walking on water' . In an age that leans heavily on insurance, Joe has learnt that 'The Lord is my insurance nothing more shall I want' (Ps 23) Amen!!!!

So he is either ridiculously deluded OR he is actually healing people by laying his hands on them.

Tell me, which of these things do you think Joe is?

gepmcd

Monty Burnz wrote: »

How can you tell that Joe Dalton hasn't been deceived by Satan as to the source of his claimed gifts?

Or perhaps Joe is not acting on behalf of the Lord, but on behalf of another power?

How do I know, simple 'by the fruits'. I was at a meeting given with Joe a few months ago, His constant boast was 'This is all the work of the Lord', his messages were all 'Jesus centred'. All the glory was directed toward God through the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus, which as far as I know is the Christian way. Satan doesn't get any glory out of healings but God does. This is what we call 'destroying the works of the devil',
Oh if only there were a few more thousand 'Joes' in Ireland and we would once again be a land of 'saints & scholars'.

PDN

MrStuffins wrote: »

Ok, that's all fair enough.

Is there any proof of Joe ever actually healing anyone?

I feel that these "healers" feed of the Christian trait of non questioning of beliefs and "faith" and will buy into it without ever seeing or even asking to see any proof whatsoever.

The only thing i've ever heard is anecdotal evidence, which of course holds as much truth as if I were to tell you that my friend told me he had a house made entirely of cheese on Jupiter.

I've met people who were healed after Joe prayed for them (removal of cataracts was one example). But no doubt you will just dismiss that as anecdotal evidence.

You seem to miss the point that one Christian praying for another is an act of compassion - it's not about trying to provide proof in laboratory conditions to convince the sceptical.

In a previous thread I once shared a very dramatic miracle of healing that I witnessed and which was verified by two medical doctors. The response was, "If it wasn't written up in a peer-reviewed article in a medical journal then it doesn't count!" Which leads me to conclude that there's little to be gained from such discussions with those who have already convinced themselves that Christian healing is a load of bunk.

MrStuffins

PDN wrote: »

I've met people who were healed after Joe prayed for them (removal of cataracts was one example). But no doubt you will just dismiss that as anecdotal evidence.

Well that's just what it is. Unless there is proof I really can't tell you whether Joe actually healed this person.

[quote[ You seem to miss the point that one Christian praying for another is an act of compassion - it's not about trying to provide proof in laboratory conditions to convince the sceptical. [/quote]

Not at all, I understand perfectly. But there are those out there who, again, claim to have God-Given powers to heal and who charge money for it. This is different to praying.

In a previous thread I once shared a very dramatic miracle of healing that I witnessed and which was verified by two medical doctors. The response was, "If it wasn't written up in a peer-reviewed article in a medical journal then it doesn't count!" Which leads me to conclude that there's little to be gained from such discussions with those who have already convinced themselves that Christian healing is a load of bunk.

I havent read the thread so i dont know the story. If you had a link on hand i'd love to read it. I can't comment on a story I have no knowledge of so i won't.

fran38

Joe Dalton will be at the Maranatha Vigil mass in St Pauls church, Dooradoyle, Limerick City on 22nd October. It runs from 8.30pm to 1am. Although Joe will be healing for an hour or so at the end.

Monty Burnz

fran38 wrote: »

Joe Dalton will be at the Maranatha Vigil mass in St Pauls church, Dooradoyle, Limerick City on 22nd October. It runs from 8.30pm to 1am. Although Joe will be healing for an hour or so at the end.

Bring your wallets.

Baggio1

i have to admit i know very little of joe apart from whats writen on here,, i beieve certain chosen people CAN and DO heal in the name of the lord, itsa special privilage and gift, just as the apostles discovered after the lord has ressurected and they received the holy spirit.

BUT - I have to admit , to charge anything just sends out the wrong message, even if its just to cover costs, ahh i dunno it just feels wrong... as Christ said to the apostles before sending them out into judea - "freely you have received - now freely give"

MrStuffins

Baggio1 wrote: »

i have to admit i know very little of joe apart from whats writen on here,, i beieve certain chosen people CAN and DO heal in the name of the lord, itsa special privilage and gift, just as the apostles discovered after the lord has ressurected and they received the holy spirit.

BUT - I have to admit , to charge anything just sends out the wrong message, even if its just to cover costs, ahh i dunno it just feels wrong... as Christ said to the apostles before sending them out into judea - "freely you have received - now freely give"

You believe or you've seen it? If yo haven't seen it, what makes you believe?

PDN

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Bring your wallets.

So you know that he was charging money at this event? You have a source for that?

Monty Burnz

PDN wrote: »

So you know that he was charging money at this event? You have a source for that?

No, that was a little joke. But I believe 'donations' are gratefully received, from what I read elsewhere. Donations to his wallet, not to charity.

Baggio1

Monty I believe -
i remember a particular famous case of a friend of the late Pope John Paul2 who had been captured by the nazi's she was a polish freedom activist, the ss caught her and she was kept in prison for a few years and had dreadful cruel experiments done to her, so much so that after being released she had terrible cancer and was basically dying, untill Karol Wotya went to visit her, he was Bishop at this stage, anyway after being with her he sent a special prayer request to Padre Pio to seek healing.

lo and behold she was completely cured of the cancer, the doctors were astounded, so yes i believe in healing miracles, was I there to see it? nope but i still believe.

MrStuffins

Baggio1 wrote: »

Monty I believe -
i remember a particular famous case of a friend of the late Pope John Paul2 who had been captured by the nazi's she was a polish freedom activist, the ss caught her and she was kept in prison for a few years and had dreadful cruel experiments done to her, so much so that after being released she had terrible cancer and was basically dying, untill Karol Wotya went to visit her, he was Bishop at this stage, anyway after being with her he sent a special prayer request to Padre Pio to seek healing.

lo and behold she was completely cured of the cancer, the doctors were astounded, so yes i believe in healing miracles, was I there to see it? nope but i still believe.

So you believe this based soley on anecdotal evidence?

Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

Baggio1

monty - welll i just told ya what i knew of, if john paul2 appeared to you in person yu still wont believe so dont worry about it...

then again why would I be surprised at that either..:rolleyes:

copey. um naa yu pass it around i'm too buisy

PDN

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MrStuffins

Baggio1 wrote: »

Monty I believe -

Baggio1 wrote: »

monty -

I'm confused. I'm asking you questions and it seems you're replying to me... but calling me Monty. Are these posts aimed at "Monty Burnz" or me?

Also, you said you believed. I want to know why it is you believe? Because you heard a 10th hand story about Pope John Paul II or have you actually seen any of this yourself?

Baggio1 wrote: »

welll i just told ya what i knew of, if john paul2 appeared to you in person yu still wont believe so dont worry about it

What makes you say this? You have no idea who I am! What do you know what i'd believe and wouldn't believe? (If, of course, thia was aimed at me)

Monty Burnz

Actually, I believe I owe Joe Dalton an apology - I was confusing him with Joe Coleman.

MrStuffins

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Actually, I believe I owe Joe Dalton an apology - I was confusing him with Joe Coleman.

Too many Joes!

At the end of the day, if these people could actually heal we'd know it by now! Show me the people who have had their limbs grow back and their cancers disappear and their sight restored! Show me. Then i'll believe you.

Otherwise things like "Well I heard the story of a women who knew a man whose daughter's friend's sister's boyfriend had a best mate who had a missing nose grow back on his face after a healer touched him".

It's simple, a certain section of religious people will believe anything that reaffirms their beliefs, whether it fly in the face of common sense or not! If I told one "My sister lives on the moon" they wouldn't believe me. But I bet if I told them "My sister spoke to Jesus" they'd believe me with no questions!