Joe Dalton - Healer

strobe

Niklas24 wrote: »

Just got back from a retreat on healing that Joe gave in Scotland he is truly a great Man of God and there where many healings.
I dont know when He will have his next meeting I will post if I find out.

Niklas24 wrote: »

I just got back from Dalmally tonight with My wife and My Second eldest boy it was a great weekend we might have met there?

Niklas24 wrote: »

Joe does not take payment for praying with anyone he as he will tell you himself does not do the healing The Lord Jesus does and has used Joe to heal many people.

Niklas24 wrote: »

I dont think they have as much success with Cancer and other similar illnesses that Joe does.

Niklas24 wrote: »

First I am Niklas I forgot My Username ect and joined again as Niklas24 why mock success?

What are you doing to help others?

Criticism of somone you obviously know nothing about is just ignorance however I will keep you in My Prayers.

Niklas24 wrote: »

cant say I have witnessed Joe behave in This way as I find Him one of the most sensative men I have met I attend most of His meetings can you tell me when and where this took place?

I do understand not everyone is healed instantly but many come back months later completely healed.

We can ask God to heal but we cant make Him jump through hoops and demand He do it imedietly or do it our way.

LMFAO been on the sauce Joe?

strobe

Niklas24 wrote: »

No he cant and it is not Joe that heals when anyone prays in the name of Jesus it is Jesus who heals.

Then why bother with Joe? Jesus will hear your prayers just as well if you say them in your bedroom as opposed to pay 100 euro to go to one of Joes get togethers.

mdebets

Niklas24 wrote: »

Just got back from a retreat on healing that Joe gave in Scotland he is truly a great Man of God and there where many healings.

So there was an independent doctor in attendance, who examined the people beforehand and after the retreat and who confirmed that they were sick before and healed after?
If not, how do you know that they were healed?

Faith7

Beware of your critisims... beware of your lack of vision... for the time is coming where everyone will SEE GOD! But those of us who are still skeptical will see God and still die!:cool: Time is short... and if you don't believe, go see for yourself before you damn or throw away your own salvation!;) Joe Dalton is a very special person with a special message for those who are looking for salvation... what are you looking for?...

mr_happy

Niklas wrote: »

Firstly Joe Dalton was not just a 'singer' he was one of the words foremost opera singers gaining awards from many countries and is actually in The who' who book with many other well know folks.
Secondly He is a commited Christian, a sinner like you and me and all of us as Gods word tells us yes, but a charlatan or fraud never.

I have known Joe for some time and attended his talks and witnessed healing My own included.

He will be having a retreat soon at Craig Lodge house of prayer Dalmally scotland soon (see their Website).

Joe is a good Christian Man and a humble one at that He is not a 'Spiritual Healer' in the way that you put it and understands and gives any glory to God He prays in Jesus Name and I would urge anyone particularly those with back problems or problems with their legs to go see him I have personally seen legs that where shorter than the other become even in length and I can assure you I am a very traditional often sceptic Christian since being prayed with by Joe My legs have been devoid of pain since I like Joe understand this was the work of Jesus not Joe.

The Holy Spirit gives to one person one gift and to another a different gift but all are from the same spirit is this not what the word of God says?.

The Holy Spirit also chooses whom to give what gift to.

Whom has he exploited could you provide an example?

Since when did Evangelisation 'blight society'?

I would consider myself a sinner and therefore short of the Glory of God as Scripture says.

Judge not lest you be judged.

Interesting 1st post from you there Joe.

Theres no post like a Joe post

love him

I live inColorado and had the privilege of hearinJoe speak, sometimes our spirit and hearts need healing as well as our bodies, I was very impressed as was my mother husband and sister in law we would love to hear him again as he inspired all of us, if you know when wwill be in Colorado again I would like to know as my heart needs to be llightened

yammycat

Well you get a nice meal and a day out if you go and see Joe, it's better than spending your money on homeopathic remedies.

jimm55

He is to back in the Ards Friary again this year in June. He was there last year too. The Church must accept what he is doing , unlike Joe Coleman. Whither he is anything better than Coleman or not, I have no idea. Has anybody been to booth, I wonder ?

MrStuffins

I'm sorry but is there any way the mods can check the IPs of all these new posters to see if they're the same person. It's very coincidental to me that so many people keep singing up just to post in this thread and defend our Joe!

smokingman

Aren't there verses in the Bible that condemn these type of "healers" as some of the most offending "going to hell" types out there?
Think I remember someone quoted them over on the Joe Coleman thread.

...and don't the catholic church also view them as such, officially?

Always makes me confused that someone so hated by the official church would be seen by the people that go to them as "holy".

PDN

smokingman wrote: »

Aren't there verses in the Bible that condemn these type of "healers" as some of the most offending "going to hell" types out there?

According to the New Testament there is a spiritual gift of healing. So, no, the idea that anyone who prays for people to be healed are offenders who are going to hell is certainly not biblical.

Fanny Cradock

MrStuffins wrote: »

I'm sorry but is there any way the mods can check the IPs of all these new posters to see if they're the same person. It's very coincidental to me that so many people keep singing up just to post in this thread and defend our Joe!

It is coincidental, isn't it? Thanks for the concern.

smokingman

PDN wrote: »

According to the New Testament there is a spiritual gift of healing. So, no, the idea that anyone who prays for people to be healed are offenders who are going to hell is certainly not biblical.

I would have thought the ones who ask for coin to pass their palm would not be included in that though?

PDN

smokingman wrote: »

I would have thought the ones who ask for coin to pass their palm would not be included in that though?

And I would agree. But I'm unaware that Joe Dalton asks anyone for money in order to pray for them.

jimm55

PDN wrote: »

And I would agree. But I'm unaware that Joe Dalton asks anyone for money in order to pray for them.

When he comes to places like Ards, they are certainly charging anybody who comes to see him. How much of the money collected he gets ,and how much they get who knows ?
While I know, as I have saw firsthand, what Joe Coleman do, I don't know much about Joe Dalton. Does anybody know of anybody he has healed or anything ?
Joe Coleman could do with some healing himself at the moment. as he has cancer.

gepmcd

Cheat-catcher wrote: »

It is not up to me to disprove unsubstantiated - and let us call a spade a spade - absurd claims. If you wish to believe in this guy, that is fine by me, but as far as I am aware, none of his so-called miracles were ever proven. This guy does not heal people and he has no supernatural powers. He is a charlatan, persuasive perhaps, but a charlatan all the same.
Here is some sound advice for anyone with a medical problem: see a doctor.
Back problems are a by-product of western society's lifestyle. Most of us have them, including me. They are notoriously difficult to diagnose, and even more difficult - if not impossible - to cure. Moreover, backache has a tendency to just come and go for no apparent reason. Healers of questionable repute always jump upon problems such as these. They are fully aware that in time things will improve, even without intervention. In medical science this is called "regression to the mean".
I challenge Joe, or any of his disciples, to come up with empirical evidence of a miraculous healing. And of course, this does not include anecdotes.
Once this proof is provided, I will be the first to admit that I have been wrong all along. Until then Joe can only be regarded as a con man, and should be avoided like the plague.

Miracles are instantaneous, whereas healings are progressive, like the 10 lepers who were healed as they went their way. They say that if you throw a stone among a pack of dogs the one that got 'hit' is the one that 'yelps' the loudest. Who rattled your cage, it's obvious that you yourself are in need of a good bit of healing yourself. The real healing starts from within, what would the point in being healed physically if inside you were the same old twisted soul, you'd only be a whitewashed sepelchur, all nice on the outside but dead on the inside.

MrStuffins

gepmcd wrote: »

Miracles are instantaneous, whereas healings are progressive, like the 10 lepers who were healed as they went their way. They say that if you throw a stone among a pack of dogs the one that got 'hit' is the one that 'yelps' the loudest. Who rattled your cage, it's obvious that you yourself are in need of a good bit of healing yourself. The real healing starts from within, what would the point in being healed physically if inside you were the same old twisted soul, you'd only be a whitewashed sepelchur, all nice on the outside but dead on the inside.

What absolute nonsense!

These "healers" are nothing but charlatans and disgusting con artists who prey on the most vulnerable of all people and use their faith against them in making them believe that this "healing" phenomenon is real!

There's no way these healers really believe in God. Because if they did, they'd know they were going straight to hell when they die!

Monty Burnz

gepmcd wrote: »

Miracles are instantaneous, whereas healings are progressive, like the 10 lepers who were healed as they went their way. They say that if you throw a stone among a pack of dogs the one that got 'hit' is the one that 'yelps' the loudest. Who rattled your cage, it's obvious that you yourself are in need of a good bit of healing yourself. The real healing starts from within, what would the point in being healed physically if inside you were the same old twisted soul, you'd only be a whitewashed sepelchur, all nice on the outside but dead on the inside.

It's a sorry state of affairs when people pointing out that magic doesn't happen in the real world are 'in need of healing' and have 'twisted souls'. :rolleyes:

There's no such thing as magic. Most people learn this in childhood.

MrPudding

Monty Burnz wrote: »

There's no such thing as magic. Most people learn this in childhood.

Really? Interesting...

MrP

Monty Burnz

MrPudding wrote: »

Really? Interesting...

MrP

Great post. :rolleyes:

MrPudding

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Great post. :rolleyes:

Thank you! I was going for "less is more." I really appreciate your comments.

MrP

MrStuffins

MrPudding wrote: »

Really? Interesting...

MrP

You were surprised that people are taught that magic doesn't exist?

You know coins don't really materialise from behind your ears right?

gepmcd

You'd better be careful. To call that which is good 'evil' and that which is evil 'good' is touching on the unforgiveable sin. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, it's not really too difficult to know what lies in a person's heart,

Monty Burnz

gepmcd wrote: »

You'd better be careful. To call that which is good 'evil' and that which is evil 'good' is touching on the unforgiveable sin. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, it's not really too difficult to know what lies in a person's heart,

Fair enough - I was just thinking the same myself. Just for clarity though, which category does claiming to be a magic healer fall under?

MrStuffins

gepmcd wrote: »

You'd better be careful. To call that which is good 'evil' and that which is evil 'good' is touching on the unforgiveable sin. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, it's not really too difficult to know what lies in a person's heart,

May I ask, is it possible for you to talk like a normal person and not like you're acting in a bad Shakespere adaptation?

We live in the real world here buddy. Nothing lies in a person's heart, it's an organ for pumping blood around the body.

PDN

MrStuffins wrote: »

May I ask, is it possible for you to talk like a normal person and not like you're acting in a bad Shakespere adaptation?

We live in the real world here buddy. Nothing lies in a person's heart, it's an organ for pumping blood around the body.

And is it possible for you to remember that you're in the Christianity Forum? People are perfectly entitled to use Scriptural phrases here - and if you don't like it then nobody is forcing you to post here.

MrStuffins

PDN wrote: »

And is it possible for you to remember that you're in the Christianity Forum? People are perfectly entitled to use Scriptural phrases here - and if you don't like it then nobody is forcing you to post here.

Apologies.

MrPudding

MrStuffins wrote: »

You were surprised that people are taught that magic doesn't exist?

I am surprised that someone that believes what he believes can say that without his irony detector blowing up.

MrP

PDN

Our atheist friends are welcome to discuss Joe Dalton here. But if you want to have a little chat amongst yourselves while making sarcastic comments about the beliefs of others then I suggest you go to the Forum next door where such behaviour is considered fashionably witty.

Monty Burnz

I don't think it's just atheists or agnostics who would have issues with self-proclaimed faith healers. I'm pretty sure the Catholic church takes a dim view of this sort of thing too, although it seems to be quite acceptable to many evangelical Christians in the US, along with speaking in tongues and that more exotic stuff.