Steorn .. is it still around ?

zod

Seen this link on youtube regarding a respected scientist validating it..:rolleyes:

cornbb

zod wrote:

Seen this link on youtube regarding a respected scientist validating it..:rolleyes:

"you bring in the the small magnet into the area of the big magnet and you do it in such a way that you gain more energy than you put in"

roffle

Respected engineer indeed.

tak

Hmmmm.

The Steorn website is very thin on what they do.
And totally empty of who the principals are.:rolleyes:
What about the accounts then ?
http://steorn.com/about/investor/

Cover your butt, all Mr Barnstorm Inverstors . . .

azzeretti

The used to have a link to this clearly labelled on their site, its not there anymore but the page still is. I wonder why?

http://steorn.com/forum/

Fallen Seraph

The Camembert Quartet Steornises Classic Rock


lolwut?

cousin_borat

was checking it out as well. Looks like a crowd of muppets as suspected at the start.

zod

new interview http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2007/10/exclusive-sean-mccarthy-steorn.html

tak

What a soft ride for Seánie boy there.
First question striking me is why he'd advertise in The Economist for independent scientists to check out his discovery.
I'd a said that New Scientist or Scientific American would be quicker and cheaper.

Fallen Seraph

tak wrote: »

What a soft ride for Seánie boy there.
First question striking me is why he'd advertise in The Economist for independent scientists to check out his discovery.
I'd a said that New Scientist or Scientific American would be quicker and cheaper.

Protip: It's not legit.


For a bunch of people who are trying their most earnestly to be accepted by the evil, biased, bigoted scientific community, they are REALLY going about it in a roundabout and suspicious manner.

zod

Visited by the President http://www.steorn.com/news/releases/?id=1131

zod

Some guys who post in the steorn forum have made a device and posted on youtube

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=j9UKcGTcfwo

discussed here http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60132&page=1

stevejazzx

zod wrote: »

Some guys who post in the steorn forum have made a device and posted on youtube

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=j9UKcGTcfwo

discussed here http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60132&page=1

Ok that's freaky..read some of the feedback..doesn't appear ot be just a hoax?

ga2re2t

zod wrote: »

Some guys who post in the steorn forum have made a device and posted on youtube

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=j9UKcGTcfwo

discussed here http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60132&page=1

"It takes a couple of tries to get it going" LOL !!!
And then he "skillfully" gets the two wheels in synchronisation. Making it look difficult makes it all the more believable. Magicians use the exact same methodology, where it's usually referred to as a form of mis-direction.

The only true known source of "free energy" is considered the Casimir effect. However, this is not free in the sense of creating energy from nothing. Instead, vacuum energy is converted to an "attractive" force between two objects. At the atomic/molecular level everything is effectively in vacuum and so the effect is "free". For more information check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/9747

Professor_Fink

ga2re2t wrote: »

The only true known source of "free energy" is considered the Casimir effect. However, this is not free in the sense of creating energy from nothing. Instead, vacuum energy is converted to an "attractive" force between two objects. At the atomic/molecular level everything is effectively in vacuum and so the effect is "free".

The Casimir effect doesn't produce free energy. It simply produces an attractive force, but does not create a discontinuous potential. It is impossible to continuously extract energy from such a system, since any energy you gain by moving two conductors together is lost again moving them apart.

Certainly it is an additional attractive force beyond what you would expect classically, but it is no different from classical electromagnetism or gravity in terms of it's relationship to conservation of energy.

Ice_Box

Shaun Menzies, one of the Irish people who walked to the south pole last week, is one of the founders of Steorn.

mike65

Well if he's mad enough to do that...!

Mike.

ga2re2t

Professor_Fink wrote: »

The Casimir effect doesn't produce free energy. It simply produces an attractive force, but does not create a discontinuous potential. It is impossible to continuously extract energy from such a system, since any energy you gain by moving two conductors together is lost again moving them apart.

Certainly it is an additional attractive force beyond what you would expect classically, but it is no different from classical electromagnetism or gravity in terms of it's relationship to conservation of energy.

I agree with you, I probably wasn't clear enough in pointing out that it is not free energy, but rather a nice quirk of physics where we may think we're getting something for nothing.
In the true sense of free energy, would you agree that the only form of free energy is that which comes from atomic fission and fusion? I know it's not something from nothing (mass is converted to energy) but conservation of energy is not upheld.

Professor_Fink

ga2re2t wrote: »

In the true sense of free energy, would you agree that the only form of free energy is that which comes from atomic fission and fusion? I know it's not something from nothing (mass is converted to energy) but conservation of energy is not upheld.

No, I'm afraid not. Conservation of energy is upheld. The energy comes from converting mass into kinectic energy. Mass can be thought of as a type of energy (E^2 = p^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4).

Conservation of energy has never been observed to be violated, and with good reason. You need either discontinuous potentials or time varying interaction strengths (at a fundamental level).

ga2re2t

Professor_Fink wrote: »

Mass can be thought of as a type of energy (E^2 = p^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4).

Okay, okay, if you want to be picky about it!

Professor_Fink

ga2re2t wrote: »

Okay, okay, if you want to be picky about it!

You need to nitpick about these things, or else you start giving crackpots ideas.

SOL

Interestingly, if you can create energy from nowhere, you should be able to send it back to no where, so maybe they also have a solution to global warming.

Or the ultimate weapon.

Or wait....

ga2re2t

SOL wrote: »

Interestingly, if you can create energy from nowhere, you should be able to send it back to no where, ...

Excellent, hadn't thought about that! Would love to see the look on the faces of people who believe in free energy when you put that to them.

aidan24326

Has there been anything at all from these guys in the last while? All their hype last Summer and now nothing. It's all very strange.

Ice_Box

Found this...very cool

http://gizmodo.com/353655/perepiteia-perpetual+motion-machine-may-actually-dosomething


The difference between Thane Heins' perpetual-motion invention Perepiteia and last year's flop Steorn Orbo is that when it was demonstrated last week—to scientists at MIT, no less—it appeared to really work. The result of more than 20 years tinkering, Perepiteia defies conventional thought, apparently using magnets to accelerate a turning electrical motor, as the video shows.


The invention was refined in conjunction with engineers at the University of Ottawa, and its debut at MIT certainly raised a few eyebrows, even causing electromagnetics expert Markus Zahn to praise it cautiously:

It's an unusual phenomena I wouldn't have predicted in advance. But I saw it. It's real. Now I'm just trying to figure it out...To my mind this is unexpected and new, and it's worth exploring all the possible advantages once you're convinced it's a real effect.

The caution seems sensible: if it is a real effect then it will change the world, or the laws of physics. At the very least, it may have a real role to play in improving the efficiency of electrical motors.

Heins named his invention after a Greek word meaning an action that "has the opposite effect to that intended," and that certainly applies to his life—his wife walked out on him—as well as his device. He's certainly reluctant to use the phrase "perpetual motion" himself, because of the controversy attached, and the allegation that they violate the hallowed law of conservation of energy. Mystery success or just another myth: let us know what you think in the comments.

ZorbaTehZ

I read about this on Reddit yesterday. Tbh, its only a matter of time until its busted - these guys come along all the time.

zod

new demo .. ?

http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2007/12/steorn-2008-year-ahead.html

Belfast

Joseph Newman is doing similar work for more than 20 years.
Newman has a theory as to where the energy is coming from. see link below

Newman's Gyroscopic Theory
http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/free_energy/newman.htm

Joseph Newman shows his invention.
Cutting the cost of oil
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3484490731703421398&q=cutting+the+cost+of+oil&ei=Jjw7SKPTPIyKiAKW17n4Aw&hl=en

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Tar.Aldarion

They have Camembert Quartet songs on their site, Steornian Rhapsody, hahaha

Belfast

Free Energy - 50 min - Sep 22, 2006
Equinox - KenSolar.com
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6472393167194458119&q=free+energy&ei=Wj47SM5AjJyKAsj0neED&hl=en

Mickelodian

You see the funny thing is... you don't need to prove this.... if I invented a real over unity machine what the f*ck would I need validation for?... I'd just start producing energy and selling it... who cares if every scientist on the planet would think it was a fake? The quantity of customers to buy my super cheap energy would far outweigh the discomfort of the doubters... who would also of course end up wondering where the actaul energy was coming from....

So from this we can easily surmise that Steorn is an absolute sham... exactly why do they need to validate this.... did the first guy to invent the wheel wait about 2 years for someone to show him how and why it worked???

Hey Steorn guys... what do you need a jury and proof and whatnot for?... you got the technology (or so you say)... you have the money (that was a smart move) .... so just start selling the energy, stop winding up the idiots of the world for gods sake.... once you get them going all sorts of crap spings up....

I think steorn are total cranks....who will suck along for the investment money and are probably an attempt to wheel out that (magic solution model) eveyone wants to hear about. But if it were true... which it IS NOT then I'd be well baffled to work out how they would suddenly start producing more energy than the sun!...

Thankfully I can put my hand on my heart and ridicule steorn... safe in the knowledge that I'm safe as houses... how do I know this? well if it were true and as easy a bloody magnet magic then someone would have invented it by now.... probably in the 4th century or thereabouts...

Belfast

Mickelodian wrote: »

You see the funny thing is... you don't need to prove this.... if I invented a real over unity machine what the f*ck would I need validation for?....

That is a good point.
In an ideal world it would be possible to make and sell inventions like this.
if it work it would make a lot of money.
if it did not work they would go out of business.

Without validation it cannot be patented.
Without a patent no manufacturer will make it and no investor will invest in it.

Without validation it will always be called a fraud.

Scientists do not like inventors who make something they do not understand or cannot explain with accepted theory.

It does not matter if it works.
Without coming up with a acceptable theory as to how to works it is going nowhere.

So far Joseph Newman is the only one I have seen to give a theory as to where the energy is coming from, but he is an inventor not a scientist so that does not help.

Mickelodian wrote: »

So from this we can easily surmise that Steorn is an absolute sham... exactly why do they need to validate this.... did the first guy to invent the wheel wait about 2 years for someone to show him how and why it worked???

Before peer review, science as a profession or patents there was no one to say an invention could not work except may be the church.

Galileo Galilei had similar problem with the church.

The scientific consensus is now taken over from the church as the preservers of the sacred truth

2Scoops

One of Steorn's competitors recently called it quits. So many free-energy devices, so few patents... tragic.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/04/archer-quinn-calls-it-quits-you-may-have-been-able-to-prevent/

Belfast

2Scoops wrote: »

One of Steorn's competitors recently called it quits. So many free-energy devices, so few patents... tragic.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/04/archer-quinn-calls-it-quits-you-may-have-been-able-to-prevent/

Chances are none of them are going to succeed in the present climate

2Scoops

Belfast wrote: »

Chances are none of them are going to succeed in the present climate

I agree 100%.

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/09/industry_week.php
http://solveclimate.com/blog/20071219/1-watt-itunes-solar-energy-has-arrived

solar panels are now down to a dollar or two per watt so any "free energy" system needs to be very cheap to compete.

The first cordless drills running on capacitors are now available, charging time 45 seconds. Capacitors don't have the same limited charge/discharge cycles that batteries have. http://www.supercapacitors.org/
Fuel cells are another way to store electricity with more charge / discharge cycles than standard rechargeables which could push the tco down.

zod

whats this ??

http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2008/12/steorn-talks-at-dit-main-points-for.html

Free energy technology development company Steorn today delivered a presentation and information on things to come regarding their technology - Orbo. The main bullet points at the talk were:

• This is the start of Orbo's commercialization process with a launch in 2009
• More highly credible independent validations agreeing with Steorn's findings will be published
• 300 engineers/companies to be involved in replicating the technology for themselves
• Specific designs / configurations / blueprints will be available to be built by engineers
• Steorn talks to take place in many tens of universities around the world over 6-9 month period
• Working designs have been built by Steorn
• Jurors now number 21 from the original 22

The public talk was hosted in room 134 of Dublin Institute of Technology and was attended by 30 or so people. Steorn CEO ( Sean McCarthy ) spoke to a very receptive audience about free energy topics, CoE (Conservation Of Energy) and more importantly discussed aspects of the upcoming Orbo technology.

Professor_Fink

Well, that blog is predisposed to believing Steorn, I think (check out the title). The videos from a talk they gave in UCD are here: http://blog.jfitzsimons.org/?p=118

I'm glad to say, they didn't get such an easy time.

John_C

zod wrote: »

Steorn talks to take place in many tens of universities around the world over 6-9 month period

There was a talk in UCD about 2 years ago and it was hilarious. The first question from the floor started: "I'm going to take as my opening assumption that this is all a pile of bollox.....".

InvisibleBadger

They seem to be still going. Last night they were featured in a Prime-time segment on innovation in Ireland.

Morbert

InvisibleBadger wrote: »

They seem to be still going. Last night they were featured in a Prime-time segment on innovation in Ireland.

I saw that....
"The key to Ireland's economic recovery is innovative companies like Steorn..."

We're screwed.

zod

InvisibleBadger wrote: »

They seem to be still going. Last night they were featured in a Prime-time segment on innovation in Ireland.

http://freeenergytracker.blogspot.com/2009/01/prime-time-steorn.html

CuLT

The boards.ie offices used to be just across from these guys.

...interesting group of people (I tried not to make eye contact).

lostexpectation

yeah i saw that, i couldn't believe it, they justification they gave was that the had made spin off products from the r+d, but as afaik i know the only other projects they worked on happened before they started down the road of perpetual motion and they haven't produced anything for years since.

Svenolsen

tak wrote: »

What a soft ride for Seánie boy there.
First question striking me is why he'd advertise in The Economist for independent scientists to check out his discovery.
I'd a said that New Scientist or Scientific American would be quicker and cheaper.

The ultimate Science magazine is "Nature":

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090122/full/news.2009.50.html

If you REALLY think you have made such an earth shattering discovery as a "Perpetual Motion Machine" you do not place an ad in the Economist.

You submit your evidence to Nature magazine.

Poor guys were a bit deluded.

I'd go easy on them though.

Even the great mathematician Ada Lovelace,co-inventor of the computer,thought she had discovered a system for predicting
which horses would win the Derby:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace

Even the great can fall into error.

.

zod

oh .. whats this ?

http://www.steorn.com/

rgunning

Good God. Sounds like "we couldn't get the physicist to believe it, lets try with the engineers".

zod wrote: »

oh .. whats this ?

http://www.steorn.com/

Ice_Box

I for one welcome the return of the Orbo.

nyarlothothep

this is kind of turning into a chinese democracy affair ie really annoying.

Professor_Fink

How is this nonsense still going on? They seem to have gone off physicists awefully quickly.

CreepingDeath

Ice_Box wrote: »

Shaun Menzies, one of the Irish people who walked to the south pole last week, is one of the founders of Steorn.

I know this is over a year late, but that guy worked for us as a Java programming contractor for us. And he was useless.
A cocky English fecker who was addicted to the Silent Hunter 3 PC game.
We had no time for him at all, and his contract was not renewed.

nyarlothothep

that game rocks, he must have been cool