Freshers Week????

THE1NE

Its that ****ing junior dean bitch..ruins all the fun..
And while i'm at it so what if one stupid med student climbs up on the poll outside the pav!!
Whoever let them out of the library should be shot!!!!

Agent Smith

Last year, "freshments" were only allowed from 6pm,

i remember TFM and SFSOC doing a countdown from 5:59pm

Boston

So fresher week starts on the 1st of october? Is this for certain?

wowy

THE1NE wrote:

Its that ****ing junior dean bitch..ruins all the fun..
And while i'm at it so what if one stupid med student climbs up on the poll outside the pav!!
Whoever let them out of the library should be shot!!!!

There's a major difference between having fun and recklessly endangering others. You obviously didn't see what happened, otherwise you wouldn't have made that ridiculous statement. When the pole broke, it came down and cracked a woman (who was just trying to enjoy Pav Friday with her friends, like the rest of us) on the head, resulting in bleeding and an ambulance coming to take her to hospital. Now, what if she had a concussion, or was out of sorts for a week after that? This was during the exam period, and it could have messed up her year because of some idiot.

While I agree with you about the JD making a lot of stupid rules and killing a lot of the buzz, it's a 2-way street. If students can manage to have fun civilly and not mess up other people's heads, then she won't be as much of a hardass.

And Boston, yeah it's definitely kicking off on the 1st.

Crash

God I wish there was another week before freshers week - getting stressed on the organisation side of things - erk!

THE1NE

I was actually a metre or two away when it happened.
And how is the statement ridicolous??All I was saying was that its not just to punish the whole university based on one idiots actions.
Should of dealt with him as an individual and made the consiquences public so people know what happens if they act like idiots.

wowy

It's a ridiculous statement because you're essentially saying so what if one fella acts the maggot, as long as the rest of us behave ourselves, sure aren't we grand? I can imagine that the girl in question would dispute that. And anyway, with regard to that particular incident, the JD didn't introduce any controls following from it. All her decrees with regard to the Pav were introduced before that.

Your idea that the whole University shouldn't "be punished" is idealistic. That's how rules etc are introduced-when an incident happens, the rules are changed to prevent it happening again. Sure it's a shame that it impacts on us, but better that than potentially having students getting messed up in some sort of incident.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

wowy wrote:

It's a ridiculous statement because you're essentially saying so what if one fella acts the maggot, as long as the rest of us behave ourselves, sure aren't we grand? I can imagine that the girl in question would dispute that. And anyway, with regard to that particular incident, the JD didn't introduce any controls following from it. All her decrees with regard to the Pav were introduced before that.

Your idea that the whole University shouldn't "be punished" is idealistic. That's how rules etc are introduced-when an incident happens, the rules are changed to prevent it happening again. Sure it's a shame that it impacts on us, but better that than potentially having students getting messed up in some sort of incident.

I disagree, I think you're far overestimating the likelihood of instances such as the aforementioned. Incidents like that don't happen often, and I doubt they would have happened more often if some of the ridiculous alcohol policies were loosened. Despite everything, we are a reasonably mature, intelligent bunch. Who are capable of having fun without wrecking the gaff totally.

bright

Yazamalainia wrote:

hey,

Could someone maybe tell me what happens during freshers week besides all of the academic based stuff, i can't find it anywhere!!

yeah, there wasn't much said about it in the orientation pack was there,

I have been assured that various different societies are posting event guide booklets/magazines/leaflets today and tommorow (very last minute). Which, I was informed, costs significantly more than printing the booklets/magazines/leaflets.

I think the reason it is so hard to find info is that, from what i can gather, competing societies like to keep what they are doing for FW on the low down until just before freshers week.



EDIT: 100TH POST! and two stars yesssss!!!

shay_562

I think the reason it is so hard to find info is that, from what i can gather, competing societies like to keep what they are doing for FW on the low down until just before freshers week.

Actually, to the best of my knowledge, it's more to do with data protection and your privacy - there's some form that goes out with the initial TCD posting that lets you take your address off the register, to avoid spam from societies and clubs (and there'll be plenty of it in the next few days, trust me) if you so wish. Because societies have to wait for the deadline to allow people to send it back if they don't want to get spammed, they can't send out any info until the last minute. Still though, not sure how much earlier it's needed - most of FW is wandering from stand to stand joining the societies with the best pitch and the hottest volunteers, then chasing free beer around college.

THE1NE

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote:

I disagree, I think you're far overestimating the likelihood of instances such as the aforementioned. Incidents like that don't happen often, and I doubt they would have happened more often if some of the ridiculous alcohol policies were loosened. Despite everything, we are a reasonably mature, intelligent bunch. Who are capable of having fun without wrecking the gaff totally.

Exactly.

wowy

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote:

I disagree, I think you're far overestimating the likelihood of instances such as the aforementioned. Incidents like that don't happen often, and I doubt they would have happened more often if some of the ridiculous alcohol policies were loosened. Despite everything, we are a reasonably mature, intelligent bunch. Who are capable of having fun without wrecking the gaff totally.

My main argument was just disputing THE1NEs example that what happened to that girl wasn't all that important. I completely agree that we are intelligent people-this isn't the UCDD board.

I'm not the biggest fan of the alcohol policy, but I can see where it's coming from. It was originally introduced (to the best of my knowledge) back when societies were allowed serve shots, and Freshers Week was set up along the straight path, and would dish out free shots. College disapproved of having to, every year, ambulance Freshers off to get pumped stomachs. The original policy, which outlawed that sorta stuff, was imo a reasonable step. Obviously, with Ms Stokes it has snowballed. She's obviously of the opinion that the majority aren't the standard setters-she reckons that it's the lowest common denominator that set the standard and she reacts accordingly. While it's not particularly fair, college are just protecting themselves, because in this Compensation Culture that exists nowadays, they need to do everything to prevent themselves being in any sorta trouble for "irresponsibility".

shay_562

Wowy wrote:

And anyway, with regard to that particular incident, the JD didn't introduce any controls following from it. All her decrees with regard to the Pav were introduced before that

Wasn't the second flagpole removed shortly after the abortive attempt to climb the first?

wowy wrote:

While it's not particularly fair, college are just protecting themselves, because in this Compensation Culture that exists nowadays, they need to do everything to prevent themselves being in any sorta trouble for "irresponsibility".

I doubt it's a compensation issue - with a bar on campus, formerly two, and most societies having regular alcohol receptions, not to mention cobblestones, cars and bikes regularly passing through, there's no way the university isn't covered to all sweet bejesus in the event of an accident.

Tbh, from what I've seen of the JD's dealings with students, both at a macro and micro level, she seems to be (as you said) of the opinion that students are incapable of controlling themselves, and that any kind of fun or social events will inevitably lead to chaos. Which isn't the say that she isn't right (witness any event on campus serving alcohol and the odds are there'll be someone off their face, or at the very least well on their way), but her methods of enforcing it can be restrictive in an unhelpful way. I've seen her refuse permission for events on highly specious reasoning seemingly simply because she can, and I've bitched before (possibly in this thread) about the uselessness of the 6PM policy*; it seems at times that's she attempting to get a reputation as a stern disciplinarian but doesn't really understand enough about student lifestyles to do that effectively, and so lashes out randomly in the hopes of hitting something.

The result is, obviously, an incoherent alcohol policy that, instead of being easily enforceable (has anyone ever seen a society operating the "Two Drinks Only" policy properly?) or authoritive (because I have to hope, on some level, that you can appeal to students more easily if you treat them like adults rather than like infants who need a firm slap on the wrists) is ignored where possible and circumvented where not, which helps no one, least of all the JD.

*Having served alcohol at a few different college class/society events now, the big problem always seems to be people drinking too much too fast, which is the inevitable result of saying "You can have X number of drinks only, but you only have an hour window in which to drink them" and then letting people loose. People will obviously still get knackered if you serve at 2 in the afternoon, but more slowly, and less chaotically.

paperclip

Rather off topic, but can I ask what the front cover of the Publications brochure looks like?

I agree with the narrow window=more drinking thing though. The mistake they're making is assuming freshers are mature students who aren't at all excited about being away from home for the first time and getting wasted without having mamaí and dadaí watching over them. The post-6pm rule would better serve people who are past that whole thing. No offense to freshers, as I was one of the people who weren't into that sort of thing, but let's be frank, a fair amount are.

Crash

On a freshers week note: Comedy Soc and Ents will be hosting Jason Byrne in the dining hall on tuesday evening - ticketed event. should be a cracker

the flananator

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On a freshers week note: Comedy Soc and Ents will be hosting Jason Byrne in the dining hall on tuesday evening - ticketed event. should be a cracker

I'll be there

wowy

On another freshers week note: The Phil will be hosting Johnny Marr (guitarist with The Smiths and currently with Modest Mouse) in the GMB on Tuesday evening. This is not a ticketed event. Should be a cracker!





*Sorry crash, but this is a dog-eat-dog world!

Attractive Nun

wowy wrote:

On another freshers week note: The Phil will be hosting Johnny Marr (guitarist with The Smiths and currently with Modest Mouse) in the GMB on Tuesday evening. This is not a ticketed event. Should be a cracker!

:eek:

Excellent news!

THE1NE

When did I say it wasn't "important"?
Of course its not something you can let happen,The girl could of been seriously injured but it was an isolated accident its not something that happens everynight at the pav.
The guy who done it is an idiot,yeah. But its not fair to punish the whole student body based on one idiots actions (which is what we are arguing wheter or not the jd's actions happened before or after this event).
What should of happened is he should of been punished and word would of spread (as it does in college) of how he was dealt with and then people would (hopefully) took something from what happened.

Crash

wowy: our understanding from talking to people in the phil was that it was an afternoon event.

anyhow, you guys are having it in the chamber, so won't exactly be able to pack that many in.

wowy

Is it afternoon? I was under the impression that it was an evening, but then again, I'm a has-been in the Phil now, so I dunno what exactly the kids in there are up to nowadays. And as regards getting people in, depending on who's the attendant on duty, we may be able to squeeze a helluva lot of people in. Capacity is 250ish, and then some more if we have our friendly attendant.


TH1NE-I agree that it's not fair to punish all of the students, but at the same time I accept that doing it that way is a common way that rules and standards are set in society (e.g speed kills, hence speed limits. Some drivers, however, may be very competent and can drive safely at higher speeds (Eddie Irvine, etc), yet they are subject to lower limits. Not fair for them, but it's just the way things are done).

Last point about that particular case-from what I gather, the fella was a Erasmus student who was heading back to his country soon enough after that, so the JD was limited in the punishment that she could give to him. I'm not 100% about that, so don't hold me to it.

Anyway, I think that that's enough OTness. Back to Freshers Week stuff. Has anyone any idea what the weather may be like? It's never any fun to be out there in miserable conditions.

Pugwash

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shay_562

crash_000 wrote:

wowy: our understanding from talking to people in the phil was that it was an afternoon event.

Despite being a has-been, it seems wowy was right first time around - according to the Facebook event set up for it, it's on at 7.30 PM. The Freshers' Week Phil magazine also lists it as a "tonight" event.

wowy wrote:

And as regards getting people in, depending on who's the attendant on duty, we may be able to squeeze a helluva lot of people in. Capacity is 250ish, and then some more if we have our friendly attendant.

So we should expect around 700 freshers with tickets for it on the night then?

wowy wrote:

TH1NE-I agree that it's not fair to punish all of the students, but at the same time I accept that doing it that way is a common way that rules and standards are set in society (e.g speed kills, hence speed limits. Some drivers, however, may be very competent and can drive safely at higher speeds (Eddie Irvine, etc), yet they are subject to lower limits. Not fair for them, but it's just the way things are done).

That...actually does kinda sound sensible. A bitch for the rest of us, but sensible.

Crash

Pugwash: I have no problem with plugging on this board provided 1) its in a relevant thread and 2)its not just people signing up to spam events.

Looking greatly forward to betabar on wednesday

THE1NE

Eddie bleedin Irvine...
Come on now,That has to be the most insane argument I have heard in my life.
Do you honestly think its fair to compare speeding limits to a situation like this which is very obviously inevitable in a college of our size.
How about having security actually doing their job and nothing letting mugs climb up on polls?Would make alot of sense considering you have the guts of half the college out drinking on the grass in front of the pav!!!!

JC 2K3

They should just ban poles.

I don't see what the big deal is about not serving drink until 6 tbh. I mean if one really wanted to drink earier they could just get a 6 pack of Bav for €7 and not drink it in obvious view of anyone who would stop them.

Nehpets

Damn poles. Source of all the trouble!

Boston

JC 2K3 wrote:

They should just ban poles.

I don't see what the big deal is about not serving drink until 6 tbh. I mean if one really wanted to drink earier they could just get a 6 pack of Bav for €7 and not drink it in obvious view of anyone who would stop them.

It was fun signing up to socities and getting a shot of vodka.

Crash

the year before i started. I was very upset. :P

wowy

THE1NE wrote:

Eddie bleedin Irvine...
Come on now,That has to be the most insane argument I have heard in my life.
Do you honestly think its fair to compare speeding limits to a situation like this which is very obviously inevitable in a college of our size.

Do you honestly think that I was making a direct comparison between speed limits and the rules regarding health and safety in college? I was making a point about these rules are set. My point there was that everyone is subject to the same laws and that they're set so that everyone is safe-therefore if someone does something stupid and shows that it's dangerous, the rules are adjusted so that that particular stupid and dangerous thing won't happen again. Too bad if a few people feel annoyed about it-it's there for the safety of everyone, so the nay-sayers will just have to put up with it.

THE1NE wrote:

How about having security actually doing their job and nothing letting mugs climb up on polls?Would make alot of sense considering you have the guts of half the college out drinking on the grass in front of the pav!!!!

You've made my point for me without me even needing to. Half the college out in front of the Pav-how on earth are security supposed to effectively monitor all of that? That is not feasible, no matter what way you look at it. And don't say hire more security, because there is sufficient security staff for Trinity except for that one time of the week, and college won't hire security staff just for that.


Listen, this has gone completely OT. First we started arguing about that incident with the pole. Then we started arguing about the JD. Then I tried making my point about how rules and standards are set, and you argued against that point by bringing back up the point about that pole. This is a freshers week thread, and we're going in bloody circles about something that a lot of freshers won't have a clue about, so how about we just leave this die?