Lipotrim - Body Fat % - It Works

slumped

Hi All,

Done some reading of old Lipotrim threads and thought I would share with you my expereince.

I was 17st 8.5 lbs (6ft tall, age 27)

16 days ago I started the Lipotrim programme. I drink about 8 litres of water a day, plus more when excercising.

I have lost 23 lbs to date.

Now here's the interesting thing - I have been doing light cardio and weights during the last 12 days in order to preserve lean muscle mass.

My body fat percentage has gone from 33% to 26%.

I plan to keep to this diet for another 2 weeks or so and then keep up the weights/cardio.

People are often too quick to slate the Lipotrim diet - it appears to be working for me - weight loss, fat loss and I am keeping the weights up.

I know when I start eating again I will have to be careful to get my metabolism up again very quickly - but assuming I am careful - what's the downside??

S

Dragan

slumped wrote:

People are often too quick to slate the Lipotrim diet - it appears to be working for me - weight loss, fat loss and I am keeping the weights up.

I don't think anyone here ever disputed that it works. Of course it works, your thrown into a calorie defecit.

The issue has always been with it's effects on long term health, and the lact of education provided for people for proper nutrition after the fact.

Anthony_1980

i was going to do this b4

but the 2 shakes a day would put me off

anybody would lose that if u starve urself

€85 a week aswell

but loads of haters on here so beware

Vinnie K

Im no expert but the one down side is putting the waight back on when you stop useing lipotrim, seeing as you didnt have the will or determination before you started taking it whats to say you will after, sorry i mean that in general not just you!! I was thinking about taking it for a while but opted for eating healty and going to the gym, i started at 16.5 stone 4 months ago and am at 14.5 now, and the hard work feels great before, during and after your doing it. Its an addiction once you get started!
Vinnie.

g'em

Hi slumped,

Unfortunately there's a reason why Lipotrim gets slated all the time. There's really nothing to suggest that anything you achieve with Lipotrim can't be done with a more traditional and healthier eating plan. There's a few fundamental flaws with the program that just don't get pointed out to people before they begin.

It's a liquid based diet. We're not designed to live off liquids. We have digestive systems for a reason that function perfectly well and just *love* to break down foods. Whole foods are thermogenic, naturally nutritious and satiating. Liquids aren't.

16lb in 23 days is a phenomenally fast (and potentially dangerous) rate of weight loss. It's virtually impossible for all of that to be fat. When you drop weight that quickly your body tends to shed water, glycogen and muscle preferrentially over fat because fat is so energy rich.

You don't mention what your diet was like pre-Lipotrim, and essentially all the shakes are doing is masking the bad eating habits you had that caused you to gain weight in the first place.

In order not to gain the weight back (and more) you will need to be VERY careful about your food intake. To lose weight (fat) and KEEP it off you need to address more than just calories in and calories out - you need to look at your eating patterns and behaviours.

I wish you the best in the future with this, but like I said, we're not fans of this stuff for a good reason. Longfield (I think) is another poster who tried Lipotrim, lost weight, but put it back on again and had the courage to come back and tell us about it. The long-term success stories of this stuff are very far and few between.

What were you planning nutrition-wise when you come off this?

daveirl

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Smellyirishman

slumped wrote:

People are often too quick to slate the Lipotrim diet - it appears to be working for me - weight loss, fat loss and I am keeping the weights up.

I know when I start eating again I will have to be careful to get my metabolism up again very quickly - but assuming I am careful - what's the downside??

Could you do me a favour, just for personal curiosity, I'd love to hear how you're getting on ~2 months after coming off Lipotrim.

I've seen a lot of threads like your's; I'm on it, It's great, I'm where I want to be.
I've seen a few thread like so; I'm off it now, I'm back where I started, maybe worse.
I've rarely seen a thread that goes; I'm off it, eating properly again and am still where I want to be.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm not doubting you at all, I'd just like to hear how you get on.

Anthony_1980

no it just seems its always a negative tone

everybodys diff

im over weight , but im doing ww and hitting gym 5 days a week

lost 4.5 lbs last week , first week of start , if i kept that up that be just a stone in 3 weeks

some people thrive on the gym and eating healthy etc others like me find it so hard to stay away from pizza , curry , kebab etc

its like some people just expect everybody to be like gi joe

slumped

Smellyirishman wrote:

Could you do me a favour, just for personal curiosity, I'd love to hear how you're getting on ~2 months after coming off Lipotrim.

I've seen a lot of threads like your's; I'm on it, It's great, I'm where I want to be.
I've seen a few thread like so; I'm off it now, I'm back where I started, maybe worse.
I've rarely seen a thread that goes; I'm off it, eating properly again and am still where I want to be.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm not doubting you at all, I'd just like to hear how you get on.

I will gladly come back and let you know!

All I know at the moment is that I AM losing body fat (7% drop in 16 days - so ketosis is happening) and I am trying to keep muscle mass.

S

Smellyirishman

Cool, thanks, I hope it all works out for you!

(Shoot me a PM when you post please, in case I miss it)

Dragan

Anthony_1980 wrote:

no it just seems its always a negative tone

everybodys diff

im over weight , but im doing ww and hitting gym 5 days a week

lost 4.5 lbs last week , first week of start , if i kept that up that be just a stone in 3 weeks

some people thrive on the gym and eating healthy etc others like me find it so hard to stay away from pizza , curry , kebab etc

I would suggest you be ready to have the rate of weight loss drop, and be prepared for that. As mentioned in other threads today some of your initial weight loss with be water weight, glycogen etc.

Just keep working hard though and you'll get what you want out of it, but be prepared for that weight loss to slow.

Finally, there is nothing "easy" about stayin away from curry's and pizza's. We just do it most of the time because it gets us the results that we want so it's worth it.

ali.c

Anthony_1980 wrote:

some people thrive on the gym and eating healthy etc others like me find it so hard to stay away from pizza , curry , kebab etc

its like some people just expect everybody to be like gi joe

lol, i dont think its easier for anybody tbh, only personally i find it easier not to eat crap and actually eat than not to eat at all. Each to there own i guess, granted there are some people on here who are quite experienced at the whole eating well thing, i still wouldnt say it was easy for them to get to that point. A lot of people started out where you are or in a worse state.........

Anthony_1980

when i lose the first stone then id be like " IVE DONE IT " now forget it and move onto stone 2 etc

rubadub

slumped wrote:

I was 17st 8.5 lbs (6ft tall, age 27)
I have lost 23 lbs to date.
My body fat percentage has gone from 33% to 26%.

If you do the math it appear like you have lost 23lb of water & fat, and retained all the 165lb nonfat mass from the beginning. Obviously a lot of the weight lost was water. If it was fat that is 1.43lb per day, requiring a deficit of 5000kcal. Eating your 500-1000kcal lipotrim (how much is it?) this means about 5500-6000kcal of exercise per day to burn that as fat

I am 5'11' and weigh 165lb including fat, from your figures you would need a BF% of 0 to be 165lb, so unless you have a very large frame I reckon figures are wrong somewhere.

slumped wrote:

Lipotrim diet - it appears to be working for me

It probably appears to be working, because your BF% calculator doesnt appear to be working. Is this a stand on scale type? these are very unreliable.

anybody would lose that if u starve urself

€85 a week aswell

It is extremely expensive. The ingredients are on the pack, nothing special, you could make up your own mixture from supplements, the lipotrim portions are very low in calories, probably the most expensive food you will ever eat, fillet steak in a resturaunt is probably cheaper per gram. Many people like it because it comes in easy set portion sizes, that is only adding to the original problem PORTION SIZE. Most people are eating portions that are far too big, just get a decent food scale, will cost you 2 days worth of lipotrim.

Lipotrim should be thought of as a medical prescription drug treatment intended to be prescibed by doctors only to obese patients where the terrible side effects of the lipotrim treatment are less than the immediate threat of the excess fat on the patient's health. If you are marginally overweight and trying to get more healthy then going on lipotrim is probably not the solution, it can add to your "unhealthiness", not cure it.

Die Hard SBGNr

slumped wrote:

Hi All,

Done some reading of old Lipotrim threads and thought I would share with you my expereince.

I was 17st 8.5 lbs (6ft tall, age 27)

16 days ago I started the Lipotrim programme. I drink about 8 litres of water a day, plus more when excercising.

I have lost 23 lbs to date.

Now here's the interesting thing - I have been doing light cardio and weights during the last 12 days in order to preserve lean muscle mass.

My body fat percentage has gone from 33% to 26%.

I plan to keep to this diet for another 2 weeks or so and then keep up the weights/cardio.

People are often too quick to slate the Lipotrim diet - it appears to be working for me - weight loss, fat loss and I am keeping the weights up.

I know when I start eating again I will have to be careful to get my metabolism up again very quickly - but assuming I am careful - what's the downside??

S

Is it true u get headaches for the first two days:D

dannyd20

rubadub wrote:

It probably appears to be working, because your BF% calculator doesnt appear to be working. Is this a stand on scale type? these are very unreliable.

Without wanting to appear negative :rolleyes: .... this is my #1 question too - how are you measuring BF% ?

slumped

QUestions re: body fat

the gym I go to uses a handheld device that sends an electronic signal around the body

slumped

Die Hard SBGNr wrote:

Is it true u get headaches for the first two days:D

In some cases - I didn't.

I kept my fluid levels up and so far so good.

Not overly tired - feel good.

S

Hanley

Smellyirishman wrote:

Could you do me a favour, just for personal curiosity, I'd love to hear how you're getting on ~2 months after coming off Lipotrim.

I've seen a lot of threads like your's; I'm on it, It's great, I'm where I want to be.
I've seen a few thread like so; I'm off it now, I'm back where I started, maybe worse.
I've rarely seen a thread that goes; I'm off it, eating properly again and am still where I want to be.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm not doubting you at all, I'd just like to hear how you get on.

Damn. Beat me to it.

There does seem to be alot of threads where people are going BACK ON Lipotrim becuase ti worked so well for them before.

Of course that arises the question, if it's so great, why do you have to do it again??

Hmmmmmmmm.....

Supercell

Hi slumped.

I've very mixed feelings about Lipotrim having lost a large amount of weight using it myself.

I lost over four stone and was totally, utterly, determined to eat better once I got to my target weight. It just felt absolutely brilliant to be able to ware trousers I hadn't worn in years and notice the girls at the till in Tesco check me out again (at least I imagined they were!).

However, while initially I did eat fairly well, but soon old habits slipped in and the odd drink become a regular one, the odd desert became a nightly one..etc etc..its amazing how easily old habits creep in.

Needless to say ..eating as before put me back where I was before, in truth maybe a little heavier and with a more sluggish metabolism - after lunch or any meals I found myself feeling sleepy - before I used to feel a little hyper after eating (apart for an enormous Xmas dinner)- the body just wanted to burn that food rather than store it in fat.

It's REALLY REALLY depressing to loose all the weight then to put it back on in a short time.

I've changed the what I eat these days. I don't really consider it dieting, more of a lifestyle change, I just have had to learn new recipes , its surprisingly easy to make healthy food taste great too (i do enjoy cooking - just using better ingredients these days).

The weight is dropping off these days with very very little effort has to be said - usually 1-2 pounds per week. i reckon by this Christmas I'll have lost the four stone again but his time I wont have to change anything as I don't consider myself dieting right now! Another benefit is that I'm no longer feeling sleepy after eating again which means I think my metabolism is regaining ground it lost during Lipotrim

The other thing I rally found on Lipotrim was the mental fog was very hard to get used to, it got worse and worse the longer I did it. I found myself extremely forgetful, very hard to concentrate on anything and listless most of the time, as someone that's been semi hyper all my life that really scared me a lot.

Also, if you have ever had any kind of bowel problem would stay well clear - you'll only poop once every few weeks and even then its like rabbit balls with much straining - forget about it if you have ever had piles.

I think it takes someone pretty strong willed and determined to see Lipotrim trough, despite what some people might think, living on a couple of soups or shakes a day for months on end is bloody hard work which few manage to do.
Ask yourself this - If you're strong enough to see this though , surely you're strong enough to change your eating habits too? I will take longer, but the effects will last a lot lot longer too.

If you have any questions about it all feel free to PM me privately if you dont want to discuss in public, I'm more than happy to help.

rubadub

slumped wrote:

QUestions re: body fat

the gym I go to uses a handheld device that sends an electronic signal around the body

Same idea as the other one you stand on, maybe ask them if they have a calipers.

If you are eating even your metabolic daily requirment and lifting heavy weights then the weight/fat will fall off you. Eating normal amounts will make you put on muscle, increasing your metabolism, giving you lots of energy. I do not see any real need for lipotrim for somebody like yourself, it really is a last resort.

living on a couple of soups or shakes a day for months on end is bloody hard work which few manage to do.

it aint easy and there are easier ways with better overall results.

slumped

Longfield - thanks for the info. and support. My bowel movements are still every day like clockwork - smaller - but regular!

I know that I will put SOME weight back on as my glycogen reserves fill up again, I will just have to be so careful that I dont overdo the carbs and alcohol in the first few weeks.

Once I can establish a newer, healthier eating pattern - only then can I relax and settle back into a new diet.

I was actually thinking of getting to 15-0 and then building up food again, while increasing gym activity and weights. This way I can regulate my diet and build muscle.

Supercell

slumpd, all I can do is wish you best of luck and hope you manage to keep the weight off.

Once I can establish a newer, healthier eating pattern - only then can I relax and settle back into a new diet.

If you did this right now you wouldn't need to use Lipotrim at all, the weight would drop off anyway!

Personally I think the long term side effects are not worth it so its not for me.

I know how being very overweight leaves people to try these extreme diets, but in retrospect, if nothing else, its helped me appreciate the real problem /cause of my obesity was me, and quick fix or not, unless i changed the new "me", the old one was coming right back with interest for time lost.

Enjoy the new you, for as long as it lasts, but don't say we didn't tell you so in six months time if you're miserable because your new skinny trousers don't fit any more.

davyjose

slumped wrote:

I will gladly come back and let you know!

All I know at the moment is that I AM losing body fat (7% drop in 16 days - so ketosis is happening) and I am trying to keep muscle mass.

S

Slumped you've fallen for the "alchemy", the quick fix; the results that lipotrim have given you have hypnotised you into believing you've found the magic formula, but there isn't one.
I have read numerous accounts on these very boards, I forget from whom (but pipe up guys if your out there) of people who've said they did lipotrim, put all the weight back on and started again, the right way. If you feel that this won't apply to you, you really are only seeing and hearing what you want to hear. Look at G'ems reasoning as to why it isn't a good idea!!! Can you counter that with reasoning other than what you've seen on the scales after a very short time on this? Because really, if this works for you - long term, you are in the absolute minority.

Smellyirishman

Longfield wrote:

Hi slumped.

I've very mixed feelings about Lipotrim having lost a large amount of weight using it myself.

Was hoping you'd show up, didn't recognise you with your new avatar. Congrats on the new lifestyle, sounds like it's going well.

g'em

Longfield wrote:

I know how being very overweight leaves people to try these extreme diets, but in retrospect, if nothing else, its helped me appreciate the real problem /cause of my obesity was me, and quick fix or not, unless i changed the new "me", the old one was coming right back with interest for time lost.

I know I said it in my earlier post, but honestly Longfield, it takes a huge amount of courage to be so honest about your experiences with Lipotrim, and I have nothing but the utmost respect for that - even more so given how you've changed your regular habits and have such a wonderful all-round healthy outlook towards your nutrition and mind-set.

I'm delighted to hear that the new weight-loss plan is going so well. By slimming down slowly and staying in control you're really helping to ensure that it stays off for good, because you're implementing the kinds of changes that stick around for life. The best of luck with it, and with your attitude I'd be very surprised if you hadn't lost the weight by Christmas. So Yay you!!!

slumped

Longfield wrote:

Personally I think the long term side effects are not worth it so its not for me.

And these long term side effects are..........?

rubadub

slumped wrote:

And these long term side effects are..........?

Did your doctor not explain the side effects when they prescribed you the treatment? or was it totally self prescribed?

There are plenty of links on google about side effects of extreme calorie controlled diets. Many threads here tell of side effects, e.g. women who had hair falling out.

slumped

rubadub wrote:

Did your doctor not explain the side effects when they prescribed you the treatment? or was it totally self prescribed?

I decided to do this myself - I did not consult my doctor. I did however spend time talking to the pharmacist about it and I spent a long time reading about it online. (VHI Forums for example)

If temporary hair loss is the worst side effect then I have nothing to wory about.

Yes, I have breath that would knock a monkey out of a tree but I don't see that as a major problem.

Here's what I will do.

I will stay on Lipotrim for another 2 weeks or so. I will then slowly build my diet back up and by the end of October I will report back here.

Before I report back, I will go to my GP for a full medical, including blood pressure, cholesterol, iron levels, zinc levels etc. and also do a fitness test at the gym.

Then perhaps we will all have a better idea of the effects of this diet!

justsomebloke

just as a matter of interest did you not look up to see if there where any side effects to this product before taking it. Yes you said you looked up about the product but seemed unaware that there maybe side effects.

slumped

jsb wrote:

just as a matter of interest did you not look up to see if there where any side effects to this product before taking it. Yes you said you looked up about the product but seemed unaware that there maybe side effects.

I did look up the 'side effects' and I googled the following:

lipotrim effects
lipotrim weight gain
lipotrim metabloism
lipotrim muscle loss

etc.

As I said, I will undergo a full medical at my own expense (unless you all want to chip in) and post results here.

S

g'em

You don't give details for what Google turned up for each of those searches, but I would imagine it's something along these lines:

When you reduce your calorie intake to the extent that Lipotrim forces you to, your metabolism get badly hit. Unfortunately your metabollism isn't able to see into the future, nor does it look to the past - it can't compensate for calories on a daily basis, it can only respond to what you give it. So, if you starve your metabolism of fuel, it'll respond in kind and slow down to preserve itself. Over the course of a few weeks this will lead to a sluggish, slower metabolism - this is commonly seen any time someone loses weight, invariably they 'plateau' because their metabolilsm adjusts to the calorie intake.

Your body stores energy as fat or muscle. Fat is much more energy dense than muscle is, and so in a major calorie deficit your body will begin to waste muscle and not fat to get energy. This will lead to lower lean body mass which makes it harder still for your metabolism to return to normal.

And it's not just your metabolism that suffers - there are other side effects to consider which the other posters are talking about. The hair loss, the stinky breath, the irregular bowel movements.

The point is, those side-effects are not necessary and losing weight doesn't mean having to put with hardship. If anything losing weight can give you extra energy, extra vitality, better moods and improved sleep.



Slumped, by now I'm sure that you're beginning to feel a little victimised with the way people have reacted to you embarking on Lipotrim but believe it or not most people arre looking out for your best interests.

I could be way off the mark, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but a part of your thinking about why you decided to do Lipotrim goes something along these lines:

You knew you had an appreciable amount of weight to lose. The thought of losing all that weight is daunting and there's always a fear that try as you may, you may not actually be succesful. There are SO many variables involved - knowing when to eat, what to eat, controlling your appetite, curbing your cravings and so on so forth.

But in Lipotrim you have what appears to be an easily manageable, highly appraochable method - for €85-odd you're supplied with everything you need. It takes all the 'thinking' out of the equation leaving you to just concentrate on having to stick to drinking the shakes.

You begin the diet, and actually it's really not that bad. You can stick to just drinking the shakes because you know that there's light at the end of the tunnel - you only have to do it for x amount of time, and heck, if you can stick to it going back to eating 'regular' food will be a doddle right? Besides, when you're slim and trim you'll have loads of will-power to stay that way.

I'm absolutely NOT trying to sound smart-arsed, I'm saying that from experience (not of Lipotrim, but someone who's been down a similar road) and from seeing similar thought patterns among many posters.

Unfortunately Lipotrim has a tendency to be one of those things that's too good to be true. The manufacturers are very quick to say that you *won't* re-gain weight IF you follow a healthy eating plan once you come off the shakes, but that's actually the hardest part of this whole process.

I genuinely applaud you for making the decision to lose weight, I personally just think that it would be a very good idea to start thinking about how you're going to go about eating properly once the shakes are finished - that's going to be the real test of success.

Believe it or not, losing the weight is the easy part - keeping it off is the challenge. Good luck.

Vegeta

very well said there g'em

just wanted to post on the varying weight at different times of the day thing nd water retention

I lose half a stone every night: weigh myself before bed (full of food and water etc etc) comes in at just over 13.5 stone. Wake up go to the toilet and weight is down to 13 stone.

slumped

Update!

Three weeks down - loss so far is 28.5 lbs.

Feeling great.

Will do for another couple of weeks and post back here.

S

g'em

slumped wrote:

Update!

Three weeks down - loss so far is 28.5 lbs.

Feeling great.

Will do for another couple of weeks and post back here.

S

Personally I'm more interested in seeing you post three and six months after you finish the course of Lipotrim. I have no doubt you will lose weight, but I'm interested to see how you change the eating habits that led to your weight gain in the first place, how you deal with getting your metabolism back to normal functioning and how you make exercise and healthy nutrition a habit and not a effort.

cowzerp

slumped wrote:

Update!

Three weeks down - loss so far is 28.5 lbs.

Feeling great.

Will do for another couple of weeks and post back here.

S

You might aswell starve yourself and then boast that your losing weight, anyone who understands nutrition and health recommends not to do this farce, this is damaging your body short and long term and increasing your long term chances of gaining even more weight, at least bulymics and anorexics have a medical mental problem, your choosing this- :mad:
i hope nobody reads your results and thinks about this diet as then your not only self harming but harming other people too.

slumped

g'em wrote:

Personally I'm more interested in seeing you post three and six months after you finish the course of Lipotrim. I have no doubt you will lose weight, but I'm interested to see how you change the eating habits that led to your weight gain in the first place, how you deal with getting your metabolism back to normal functioning and how you make exercise and healthy nutrition a habit and not a effort.

What I have planned to kick my metabolism back to normal is weights in gym 2-3 nights per week plus a high protein diet.

I will also be taking B-Complex vitamins and Lechitin to boost the metabolism.

I am also considering Kelp as a natural way to boost it.

Did an allergy test recently in an alternative medicines shop and I'm allergic to a few foods that I really liked. I am now making plans to avoid them where possible.

Chile, curry, beef, lamb, pork and strawberries!


I will be back to report every so often.

Slumped

slumped

cowzerp wrote:

You might aswell starve yourself and then boast that your losing weight, anyone who understands nutrition and health recommends not to do this farce, this is damaging your body short and long term and increasing your long term chances of gaining even more weight, at least bulymics and anorexics have a medical mental problem, your choosing this- :mad:
i hope nobody reads your results and thinks about this diet as then your not only self harming but harming other people too.

Unhelpful post to say the least. If you are going to slate what I am doing then please post links to medical journal reports that say that this diet is bad in the long term.

How is this self harm - and how is it harming other people????

Leave the pulpit and lets see what my doctor says at the end of it.

S

cowzerp

slumped wrote:

Unhelpful post to say the least. If you are going to slate what I am doing then please post links to medical journal reports that say that this diet is bad in the long term.

How is this self harm - and how is it harming other people????

Leave the pulpit and lets see what my doctor says at the end of it.

S

Oh do you want everyone to tell you what you want to hear, im a qualified nutritionist and personal trainer and have studied this type of diet, everyone knows the effects and i dont need to start hitting google for you to get them as you've already done that-keep it up, at least i can say i gave you proper advise and you chose not to take it-thats what this is all about anyway-ignorance is bliss, why spend big money to starve yourself anyway?

oh and why dont you ask your doc about it now?

slumped

cowzerp wrote:

Oh do you want everyone to tell you what you want to hear, im a qualified nutritionist and personal trainer and have studied this type of diet, everyone knows the effects and i dont need to start hitting google for you to get them as you've already done that-keep it up, at least i can say i gave you proper advise and you chose not to take it-thats what this is all about anyway-ignorance is bliss, why spend big money to starve yourself anyway?

oh and why dont you ask your doc about it now?

That's a terrible attitude for a professional nutritionalist to have.

I've heard the good side argument.

The bad side argument goes something like:

"That diet is really bad for you long term. You should be eating healthy. You should not lose weight fast"

There is rarely EVIDENCE to back up these claims.

S

slumped

cowzerp wrote:

Oh do you want everyone to tell you what you want to hear, im a qualified nutritionist and personal trainer and have studied this type of diet, everyone knows the effects and i dont need to start hitting google for you to get them as you've already done that-keep it up, at least i can say i gave you proper advise and you chose not to take it-thats what this is all about anyway-ignorance is bliss, why spend big money to starve yourself anyway?

oh and why dont you ask your doc about it now?

That's a terrible attitude for a professional nutritionalist to have.

I've heard the good side argument.

The bad side argument goes something like:

"That diet is really bad for you long term. You should be eating healthy. You should not lose weight fast"

There is rarely EVIDENCE to back up these claims.

S

cowzerp

There is tonnes of research that states how it is not possible to lose more than 2 lbs of fat a week, any additional weight loss will basically come from muscle and mainly water-im not a google search engine and dont intend on becoming 1, your hair is falling out and your breath is smelly! that should be enough to tell you that something bad is happening to you, your metabolism is dropping and you are going to get fatter tahn ever, after spending hard earned money and putting yourself through this stupid diet-if you can stick at this you can stick at healthy eating and regular exercise-but your choosing the easy option-the losers option, harsh but true-sorry im not the yes man you where looking for.

g'em

slumped wrote:

That's a terrible attitude for a professional nutritionalist to have.

I've heard the good side argument.

The bad side argument goes something like:

"That diet is really bad for you long term. You should be eating healthy. You should not lose weight fast"

There is rarely EVIDENCE to back up these claims.

S

To be honest slumped, there's been plenty of "evidence" given, heck we've even had a Lipotrim user come here and post about his experiences. But I'm quite sure that irrespective of how many papers or articles or anecdotes we provide about how much of a bad idea Lipotrim is, it's not going to change your mind, and to a certain extent I can understand. You needed to lose weight, and after a couple of weeks on the shakes, hey presto you're lighter on the scales. Result eh?!?

Well, no. Let's look at this objectively for a second. Lipotrim was originally designed and marketed as a Very Low Calorie Diet (VLCD) for post gastric-surgery patients who literally couldn't ingest or digest solid foods. But surprise, surprise, after only taking in 450 cals a day, lots of people lost weight with it.

So then, in conjuction with licensed pharmacists the shakes began to get sold as a "Medically Approved Diet". But the diet is, and always has been, intended to be done under medical supervision which you have already admitted to not getting.

You're obviously an intelligent person so do you not see how ingesting only 450 calories a day (when someone of your size should be getting ~ 2500 cals/ day) for a prolonged period of time is just not good for you?

The shakes do not teach you how to eat well, the shakes do not teach you how to feel positive about your health, the shakes teach you that liquids = weight loss, solid food = weight gain, and the shakes induce fatigue, bad-breath, hair-loss and a slowed metabolism.

Your body cannot lose more than 2-3lb of FAT a week - this is a certainty. Any more than that lost will be water and glycogen.

slumped

cowzerp wrote:

There is tonnes of research that states how it is not possible to lose more than 2 lbs of fat a week, any additional weight loss will basically come from muscle and mainly water-im not a google search engine and dont intend on becoming 1, your hair is falling out and your breath is smelly! that should be enough to tell you that something bad is happening to you, your metabolism is dropping and you are going to get fatter tahn ever, after spending hard earned money and putting yourself through this stupid diet-if you can stick at this you can stick at healthy eating and regular exercise-but your choosing the easy option-the losers option, harsh but true-sorry im not the yes man you where looking for.

Another doubter not able to prove their point.............!

My hair is not falling out.

My wife vouches that my breath is not smelly.

Metabolism is slowing - yes - but done properly you can boost it.

"fatter than ever" - I doubt it. Why would I do this diet and then see myself go back up to my previous weight??

rubadub

slumped wrote:

Metabolism is slowing - yes - but done properly you can boost it.

At best you can reduce the slowing down, I doubt you will boost your current basal needs by lifting weights on 450kcal per day. The idea of weights increasing metabolism is that the added muscle will need more cals to maintain it, and that producing the muscle uses up calories. But on 450kcal per day you probably are not going to have enough to maintain the muscle, let alone produce new muscle.

slumped wrote:

"fatter than ever" - I doubt it.

The fatter than ever is probably referring to the muscle loss, other posters have told of experience of this on lipotrim and other severe diets. Fat takes up 3 times the volume of muscle. So if you go on an extreme diet you will loose muscle, even if working out in a gym you will loose some (just ask bodybuilders who are lifting huge weights on strict calorie deficits yet still lose muscle.) So if you loose say 40lb, and 10lb muscle, 30lb fat. Now if you put on 40lb back on as fat you then weigh the same amount as before, but since you have actually put on 10lb extra fat while losing 10lb muscle you take up a bigger volume. This is why many report "going back to the same weight but looking even fatter".

slumped wrote:

Why would I do this diet and then see myself go back up to my previous weight??

It is not like people are saying this is your plan. It is just from previous posts in other threads many end up doing just that. It is called yo-yo dieting, I have no links to medical studies on it, but I certainly do not think it is a myth.

Vegeta

slumped wrote:

My wife vouches that my breath is not smelly.

slumped wrote:

Yes, I have breath that would knock a monkey out of a tree but I don't see that as a major problem.

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Dr4gul4

slumped wrote:

Did an allergy test recently in an alternative medicines shop and I'm allergic to a few foods that I really liked. I am now making plans to avoid them where possible.

Chile, curry, beef, lamb, pork and strawberries!


Slumped

Thats quite interesting, you're allergic to Beef, Lamb and Pork, in what way ?

Much like G'em im interested to see how you get on in the long run, although i have a feeling you will keep quite a it off, the excess skin will plague you for ages though .

slumped

Vegeta wrote:

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Yes - at the start it was bad but today (as of an hour ago) it's fine!!

slumped

Dr4gul4 wrote:

Thats quite interesting, you're allergic to Beef, Lamb and Pork, in what way ?

Much like G'em im interested to see how you get on in the long run, although i have a feeling you will keep quite a it off, the excess skin will plague you for ages though .

Didn't give exact reasons as to why I'm allergic - but it kind of makes sense!

Other things were chile and curry (always sweat when I eat these). I now know what to avoid.

Good thing is that I am not allergic or intolerant to any fish.

Another thing- i had the test done after 2 weeks of the diet - I showed no vitamin deficincies at all!

S

IronWolf

Hello,

Just thought i'd weigh in and say that I've taken Lipotrim for a period of 5 weeks in August last year and dropped down from 16 stone to 13.5 stone in that period. Almost a year has past now and i've managed to drop down to my goal of 12 stone 6 pounds through consistent exercise, sensible eating and an all round more active lifestyle.

While there are many perils to such a calorie deficit diet, if you plan in the long term rather then just going back to the way you were pre-diet it does work and I shudder to think what state I'd be in now without having had lipotrim to help kick-start my lifestyle change.

nesf

slumped wrote:

"That diet is really bad for you long term. You should be eating healthy. You should not lose weight fast"

There is rarely EVIDENCE to back up these claims.

Out of curiosity, how much research have you done in this beyond reading the VHI forums? Could you actually read scientific studies if you needed to?* Could you be able to spot the errors in a poorly put together or biased study?*



*Neither of these are attempts to insult you, it's simply that if you haven't any training in science and statistics it can be very difficult to interpret studies correctly or see their shortcomings.