gaining weight?

half_life_man

im 17 yrs old and weight 9.10 stone and eat loads, workout alot and take protein shakes but its taking me very long to gain weight. Could this be effecting me because my whole body hasnt developed yet and i'm still growing. I have really skinny my whole life i just want to fill out!

Laslo

I take it you're doing weights too? Protein is very important for building muscle but the shakes are no good on their own unless you're 1) doing some resistance training and 2) ensure that you get plenty of quality carbohydrates. Try eating more fresh vegetables, basmati rice, baked beas and/or wholewheat pasta with your protein shakes!

Hanley

Explain what you mean by "loads"...

Transform

Yes post up your current diet and weights program

juanveron45

at your weight you should be eating close to 3000 calories to put on mass, your diet should consist of 50% carbs, 30% protein and 20% fats.you should be eating 6 plus meals a day with the macronutrient profile I suggested above in each meal, maybe a little more carbs postworkout.As for training you should stick to low reps 6-8 fits the bill, and also stick to compound movements like squats deadlifts and bench presses, your workouts should also be short but intense, weight training unlike other sports is not based on the more time you put in the better your results as recovery is very important, which why its also important to get 8 hours of sleep a night, not getting enough sleep is a stress to the body which will cause you to produce corsitol which is detrimental to muscle gain, also if you drink I would suggest giving is up as it lowers testosterone and increases estrogen which is also a no no for muscle gain

Hanley

juanveron45 wrote:

at your weight you should be eating close to 3000 calories to put on mass, your diet should consist of 50% carbs, 30% protein and 20% fats.you should be eating 6 plus meals a day with the macronutrient profile I suggested above in each meal, maybe a little more carbs postworkout.As for training you should stick to low reps 6-8 fits the bill, and also stick to compound movements like squats deadlifts and bench presses, your workouts should also be short but intense, weight training unlike other sports is not based on the more time you put in the better your results as recovery is very important, which why its also important to get 8 hours of sleep a night, not getting enough sleep is a stress to the body which will cause you to produce corsitol which is detrimental to muscle gain, also if you drink I would suggest giving is up as it lowers testosterone and increases estrogen which is also a no no for muscle gain

Alright this needs to stop, blanket statements are nothing but deterimental.

At 9 stone (56kg) there is absolutely no way in hell he should be trying to eat 3000kcals. Unless he wants to get fat. Which is unlikely.

Spending too much time in the gym is bad? Tell that to Boris Sheiko or the entire Bulgarian weightlifting team for the past 30 years.

OP, there's really very little that can be done til we know whatyou're doing at the moment as regards nutrition and training.

juanveron45

No I wont stop, im entitled to give my opinion just as much as you are.

And I know the advice I gave him is correct

At 9-10 stone this guy weighs 126-140lbs so to gain mass he should at least be eating 17-20 cals per pound of body weight.

Also he is most likely an ectomorph so the chances of him gaining fat especially on a healthy diet is quite slim.

Lastly comparing competitive athletes to a normal person is down right wrong and you should know this, one hour of weightraining 3 times a week is enough for anyone thats not a competitive athlete.

ali.c

yup, more information required but as you are 17 your body is still developing. When your body is actively growing it diverts kcals from your diet to grow. Its similar to the process of building muscle.

Protein shakes are a great supplement but they wont do anything for you unless your diet is in order. There is a good post explaining gaining weight here http://www.teamtestforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2106&sid=cee4665733cb26236c3375d5d5916e0f.

However if you post your diet and training up here, people will be able to tell you where you are likely going wrong.

PeakOutput

juanveron45 wrote:

at your weight you should be eating close to 3000 calories to put on mass, your diet should consist of 50% carbs, 30% protein and 20% fats.you should be eating 6 plus meals a day with the macronutrient profile I suggested above in each meal, maybe a little more carbs postworkout.As for training you should stick to low reps 6-8 fits the bill, and also stick to compound movements like squats deadlifts and bench presses, your workouts should also be short but intense, weight training unlike other sports is not based on the more time you put in the better your results as recovery is very important, which why its also important to get 8 hours of sleep a night, not getting enough sleep is a stress to the body which will cause you to produce corsitol which is detrimental to muscle gain, also if you drink I would suggest giving is up as it lowers testosterone and increases estrogen which is also a no no for muscle gain

practice what you............oh nevermind

juanveron45

that article more or less backs up what I posted

ali.c

juanveron45 wrote:

Also he is most likely an ectomorph so the chances of him gaining fat especially on a healthy diet is quite slim.

He is most likely to be 17 and still growing and not eating enough. I know a good few guys who were skinny at 17. Now in their 20's some of them are muscular, some are still skinny and some are fat :eek:.

nesf

juanveron45 wrote:

at your weight you should be eating close to 3000 calories to put on mass

Bluntly, without knowing what exercise he is doing there is no way you can make the above statement.

juanveron45 wrote:

No I wont stop, im entitled to give my opinion just as much as you are.

Actually, no you aren't automatically entitled to give your opinion on any forum on this site. If you feel able to make blanket statements like the above you're just undermining your credibility as a source of information and really the last thing people looking for help on here need is a person talking **** about stuff. If you pulled stuff like this in Work/Jobs where you gave inaccurate blanket replies to people queries and ill-advised them on legal advice etc, I'd ban you in a second. The last thing people looking for advice need is someone who thinks they know all the answers.

Even the numbers you quoted (17-20 calories per pound) don’t add up to 3000. They give 2300-2800 approx. which isn’t insignificant as differences go.

easyontheeye

PeakOutput wrote:

practice what you............oh nevermind

seconded lmao

juanveron45

my advice was intended as if he would start from scratch

in that case

i told him what exercises to do

he asked how to mass

i told him to eat up to 3000 cals(2800 cals is very close)

its a synergistic thing

pretty basic stuff

juanveron45

pose my advice to any bodybuilder or post it on any good bb site and they will tell you its sound

nesf i dont think its cool or very imature to go around threanening people on a wim that I can ban you just like that, a kinda power statement.

My advice wasn't dangerous or in fact wrong ,i know ouite a bit about this subject and got slated by some idiot a few weeks ago thinking he knew what he was talking about when in fact he didnt, salmon not have healthy oil remember

The FitnessDock

A doctor only gives advice and recommendations AFTER asking a patient lots of questions and getting the required information.

It's the same process when someone asks a fitness trainer what they should be doing to gain muscle/weight. You must first start off by asking them what they've been doing regarding exercise and nutrition. This gives you a base from which you can build on.

As of yet, we know nothing about what the threadstarter has been doing in the past to gain weight. Until then, we won't be able to help him.

So half_life_man - any chance you can post what exercise you've been doing and how much (and often) you currently eat every day?

Paul

Dragan

Guys,

ask question before you offer advice. It's pretty simple really. Blanket statements help no one as has already been stated.

"In my opinion" is something that a lot of people here could do with making friends with, as it makes you look like less of a tool and still get your point across.

Like the following : "In my opinion, only 3 hours training a week is pretty low, no matter how intense that is."

Juanveron45, the reason people are on your back is because you sitting there offering advice like it's gospel when you have not shown that you yourself can follow it. Lack of willpower negates the blackboard in this case.

Back on topic, help the OP or the stick is out.

Smellyirishman

At a glance, I have not seen any body ask, so I'll give it a go.

How tall are you OP?
And like Transform and Hanley said, show us your diet.

Weight gain can be slow, but just stay consistent with your training and heavy eating (don't fool yourself into thinking you're eating "loads") and you will progress, no doubt about it.

Cadrach

Dragan wrote:

Juanveron45, the reason people are on your back is because you sitting there offering advice like it's gospel when you have not shown that you yourself can follow it. Lack of willpower negates the blackboard in this case.

Have to say I totally disagree with the reasoning of these people. If what juanveron45 is saying is accurate, then it doesn't matter if he practices what he preaches or not. His willpower really doesn't come into it. People who are fighting this corner should give it a rest in my opinion. I agree with the other stuff - blanket statements etc. It is better to focus on the inaccuracies of the content than on the person who posted it.

Dragan

Cadrach wrote:

Have to say I totally disagree with the reasoning of these people. If what juanveron45 is saying is accurate, then it doesn't matter if he practices what he preaches or not. His willpower really doesn't come into it. People who are fighting this corner should give it a rest in my opinion. I agree with the other stuff - blanket statements etc. It is better to focus on the inaccuracies of the content than on the person who posted it.

Personally i didn't say whether i agree with it or not, simply pointed out what is happening and have offered all concerned the opportuinity to get back on track and help the OP.

juanveron45

I said one hour of weightraining 3 times a week is enough for any person thats not an athlete, I was not referring to total training obviously if cardio is taken into account total weekly hours of training will be increased but as far as weightraining is concerned I maintain 1 hour 3 times a week is enough

Kinetic^

OP, listen to the people who have the experience and have done what you're trying to.

Post your diet, your weights/exercise program and your body stats.

JV45, you're on the ignore list!!!!

nesf

juanveron45 wrote:

nesf i dont think its cool or very imature to go around threanening people on a wim that I can ban you just like that, a kinda power statement.

Mmm, yes power statements because like you know I need to buff up my ego by posting online and trying to sound authoritative about something.

juanveron45 wrote:

My advice wasn't dangerous or in fact wrong ,i know ouite a bit about this subject and got slated by some idiot a few weeks ago thinking he knew what he was talking about when in fact he didnt, salmon not have healthy oil remember

Congratulations on being able to use Google.

Hanley

juanveron45 wrote:

I said one hour of weightraining 3 times a week is enough for any person thats not an athlete, I was not referring to total training obviously if cardio is taken into account total weekly hours of training will be increased but as far as weightraining is concerned I maintain 1 hour 3 times a week is enough

You ACTUALLY said "as for training you should stick to low reps 6-8 fits the bill, and also stick to compound movements like squats deadlifts and bench presses, your workouts should also be short but intense, weight training unlike other sports is not based on the more time you put in the better your results"

The above information is WRONG no matter what way you slice it or attempt to defend it. Success is equal to the amount of time you put in when it comes to weightlifting, but obviously only to a certain extent. However let me assure you, 3 hours a week isn't the upper limits of what you can do and still makes progress.

You're allowed an opinion, but if it's blatantly wrong like the above then expect to be called on it. In fact is it not in the forum charter to make sure that the info you're giving is correct?

I have no desire to carry on this d!ck waving contest but on a board where anyone can become an instant expert a degree of common sense is called for.

juanveron45

Hanley, you disagree with Craig Ballantyne and john berardi too then ,berardi recommends 5 hours but that includes cardio and ballantyne suggests 3 hours total exercise is enough.

Rest and recovery is so important in getting results in weightraining

juanveron45

proof that Im right

listen to this

http://www.startstrongmonday.com/vol016

PeakOutput

juanveron45 wrote:

Hanley, you disagree with Craig Ballantyne and john berardi too then ,berardi recommends 5 hours but that includes cardio and ballantyne suggests 3 hours total exercise is enough.

Rest and recovery is so important in getting results in weightraining

while i am sure you have actually read what you say you have and i am sure it is fairly accurate why you are arguing with hanley, who clearly has both practical experience and has researched the subject himself, is beyond me.

juanveron45

because what im basing my info on is precision nutrition, bodyforlife, absolution, burn the fat and more

and

I would take the advice of

john berardi
craig balantyne
shawn phillips
Tom Venuto
bill phillips

over hanley anyday

PeakOutput

juanveron45 wrote:

because what im basing my info on is precision nutrition, bodyforlife, absolution, burn the fat and more

and

I would take the advice of

john berardi
craig balantyne
shawn phillips
Tom Venuto
bill phillips

over hanley anyday

but why would anybody take advice off you???(nothing personal)

the problem is that you are basing your info on what you are reading and hanley is basing his opinion on what he has been doing and what he has experienced

this is all im going to say on the matter i dont want an argument

mikemac

I'd prefer to take my advice from someone like Hanley or any number of the posters who apply what they know.
I often read these fitness logs as some of them are inspiring. At least I think so anyway for someone struggling to improve themselves like me.

I've read two of the authors you've listed but are you qualified to pick and choose what parts to take and what parts to ignore and then post them here as fact? Don't tell me those authors agree on every single point.

Just one thing, ever hear of the Pareto 80:20 rule? You can achieve 80% of your goals just by applying the basics (eat right & work hard). Possibly you are focusing so much on advanced techniques and information, you're not applying the basics. How's that plan of your going?

Edit:I do enjoy reading Tom Venuto so we'll agree there

Smellyirishman

Let's all take a deep breath and wait for the OP to return. I think he posted a few months ago too, Dave or Dragan, can you do a more substantial search than I can?

Kinetic^

micmclo wrote:

I'd prefer to take my advice from someone like Hanley or any number of the posters who apply what they know.

+1.....JV45 can we have less of your trolling here please.

There are tonnes of guys on here that have talked the talk.....but they've all backed it up whether it be working out with them or pictures.

Dragan

juanveron45 wrote:

because what im basing my info on is precision nutrition, bodyforlife, absolution, burn the fat and more

and

I would take the advice of

john berardi
craig balantyne
shawn phillips
Tom Venuto
bill phillips

over hanley anyday

Then why do you ask open questions on a forum where you know he will answer?

You seem to be missing the point that sitting there spewing what you have read from various trainers etc does not make you right. In fact, your very line "proof that i am right" has pissed me off to a pretty high degree.

This is not a pissing contest about who is right, who is wrong, who is in shape, who is not. Your not helping, your just trying to feel like you know what your talking about when your just sitting there recycling things that you don't really seem to understand.

If Trainer X says whatever, you cannot apply that across the board to those you wish to help.

I'm putting you on time out because you last few threads have descended into chaos and you have just shown yourself to be more rude than helpful.

PM me in a weeks time and i will unban and we will see if you can behalf with a degree of manners. I believe i have been very patient with you to be honest, but i'm tired of this now.