Luck and Tara

luckat

We all know that digging up a rath or even a fairy thorn is a good way of nuking your luck.

Fianna Fail is driving a road through Tara. Will this affect their luck?

darkman2

luckat wrote:

We all know that digging up a rath or even a fairy thorn is a good way of nuking your luck.

Fianna Fail is driving a road through Tara. Will this affect their luck?

No because Tara needs to be dug up for the M3. Tough on the Eco Nazis but thats life.

Tha Gopher

Considering our 800 year occupation/famine/emigration rate/weather/Cromwell/penal laws/church control 1921 to mid 70s, alcoholism/having western Europes worst economy between the dawn of time and about 10 years ago, the rest of the celtic fairy mounds must have been dug up by some goverment thousands of years ago.

Oriel

They should be shot. It's our history.
It's like England knocking down the Windors Tower to build a Playpark for children.
Anyway, it'll never happen.

Thrill

Politicians don't worry about things like luck. They just fear that the supply of cash filled brown envelops will run out. If building a road through Tara ensures a healthy supply of them then Tara is f*cked.

Zapp Brannigan

This should be in the Meath forum tbh.

randylonghorn

darkman2 wrote:

No because Tara needs to be dug up for the M3. Tough on the Eco Nazis but thats life.

1. Tara does not need to be dug up for the M3
2. Tara is not an ecology issue, it's a heritage issue
3. Why are people who are anxious to preserve the country's heritage Nazis? Apart from any philosophical issues, heritage sites are a tourism resource and therefore an economic asset.

Back OT: I suspect that teflon has some magical properties which ward off the sidhe ... it certainly seems to have warded off everything else!

MooseJam

no such thing as bad luck tbh, I don't like this poll, someone start another in the line of superman Vs the hulk, they are a lot more fun

5starpool

None of this stuff would have been found if it wasn't for the new road. Asphalt it all.

funky penguin

Yes. Destroy the new discovery at Irelands most important Heritage site.

randylonghorn

5starpool wrote:

None of this stuff would have been found if it wasn't for the new road. Asphalt it all.

No, none of this stuff would have been found YET if it wasn't for the new road.

And what is the logical connection between your two sentences?

Jesus Wept

no atari jaguar option.

I'm opting out.

connundrum

Maybe. At best.

Rabies

Zapp Brannigan wrote:

This should be in the Meath forum tbh.

If you want to be picky. Then what about the Commuting & Transport Infrastructure forum.

I'm just waiting for biko to stick his head in and look for a copy of thread to be sent to each of the Dublin forums.

OT:
I don't know the exact route of this proposed road, is it going near/through part of the site?

Tar.Aldarion

No, no such thing as luck changing due to your actions. Unless you make a luck formula.

kc66

Rabies wrote:

OT:
I don't know the exact route of this proposed road, is it going near/through part of the site?

The M3 will be further away from the hill of Tara than the current N3.

Nevyn

For fúck sake people dont be falling for that save Tara shíte the road is not going through the heritage site at Tara in fact it is going the far side of the current main road.


Yes the road is going through other heritage in the Skyre Valley and with the find at lismullen should be re reouted along the second more sane route but no one is digging up fecking Tara.

Yes the Eu commion is lodging complains and really the whole thing is a complete fiasco but get your facts right.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/ireland/mhkfidojgbey/

EU issues final M3 motorway warning
11/07/2007 - 16:59:34

The European Commission has issued a final warning to the National Roads Authority concerning the building of the M3 motorway in Meath.

The letter dated in June says that the on-going demolition of the Lismullen monument near the Hill of Tara is illegal, and that Ireland will face legal action this autumn.

The roads authority is continuing to record and destroy monuments in the path of the road, mostly recently at a site at Baronstown which was demolished in the middle of the night last week.

Mossy Monk

Bad luck for building a road? Are we living in a fairytale?

Mr. Presentable

luckat wrote:

We all know that digging up a rath or even a fairy thorn is a good way of nuking your luck.

Fianna Fail is driving a road through Tara. Will this affect their luck?

Hello!!!
The road is not going through Tara. Or even near it. Pay attention there, at the back.

cjt156

Oriel wrote:

They should be shot. It's our history.
It's like England knocking down the Windors Tower to build a Playpark for children.
Anyway, it'll never happen.

Yep, its exactly like that...

Spyral

yeah the faeries will curse bertie so his teflon shell will fall off

Stephen

luckat wrote:

We all know that digging up a rath or even a fairy thorn is a good way of nuking your luck.

Only if you believe in a load of superstitious ****.

randylonghorn

Thaedydal wrote:

For fúck sake people dont be falling for that save Tara shíte the road is not going through the heritage site at Tara in fact it is going the far side of the current main road.

Yes the road is going through other heritage in the Skyre Valley and with the find at lismullen should be re reouted along the second more sane route but no one is digging up fecking Tara.

Point taken, Thaed, you're absolutely correct, the actual Tara site is not being dug up.

It is common practice however to refer to complex and inter-related heritage landscapes by the dominant or primary monument ... in this case, even archaeologists will commonly refer to the "Tara complex" or "Tara landscape" as a linguistic short-cut to refer to the area, and a number of sites of which Tara itself is the focal point.

"The Tara / Skryne valley" is probably more accurate, admittedly ... though someone will probably come along and explain to us why that too is problematic.

Thaedydal wrote:

... the road ... should be re reouted along the second more sane route ...

Yes the Eu commion is lodging complains and really the whole thing is a complete fiasco ...

I completely agree.

KdjaCL

Dont dig up muck its been there for years.



kdjac

luckat

Heh, I can't believe how indignant people are getting! They must really, secretly believe in it all or they wouldn't be so angry.

luckat

Mind you, from a psychological, as opposed to a superstitious, point of view, what FF are doing is hubris, in its classical sense of an arrogance that challenges the gods.

They, like you and me, will have heard and ingested the stories of terror for those who disturb a rath. For them to plough their greedy road through the ur-rath of Tara, the traditional entrance to the Sidhe, surely shows an unconscious urge for self-destruction. (Not to mention their new plan to turn the GPO into a shopping mall.)

It's as if they're holding their hands out saying "We are immortal, we are indestructable, we can ruin and deface everything of cultural and historical meaning in this country, and no one can touch it."

Typical of the kind of traditional stories I'm talking about - and I doubt any Irish person has ever grown up without hearing at least one of these - was one told by my geography teacher.

He was from some country area - Kerry, I think it may have been - and occasionally we could distract him from telling us about the Ruhr industries and the level-crossing signs on maps and lure him into other areas.

So this one day he started telling us about a local farmer where he grew up. A modern and progressive farmer, this man had spent his whole childhood annoyed at the superstition of his father, uncles and grandfathers.

He had always promised, to their dismay, that when he got the farm, he'd knock the hawthorn tree, the entrance to a long-defunct rath, in the centre of the farm's best field.

Every time he ploughed or harrowed the field he had to guide his two-horse team around it, losing time as well as losing the use of the piece of land it was on.

When his day came he called all the workmen who normally helped him on the farm, and told them he wanted it knocked. They absolutely refused - ask them anything else, but they weren't going near the rath.

He asked around the area and wider afield, but no one would help with it. Finally he thought of going to the North and hiring a bunch of black Protestants, who would certainly have no time for superstition.

He hired a group of men, who came back with him, but when they saw the hawthorn they turned on their heel and walked away and went back to the North - they wouldn't touch it either.

So he harnessed up the two horses, beautiful big calm Clydesdales, and he dug the tree out and got them to drag it away, and he levelled his field.

(Here, the geography teacher paused, and we all thought we were going to get a homily on the evils of superstition and the importance of modern farming methods, which would be his usual area of discourse.)

Three years later, he said, the farmer was harrowing the field, and on the exact spot where the hawthorn tree and its rath had been, the harrow stuck.

He went forward to loosen it, and as he knelt there something spooked the horses and they bolted, dragging the harrow free, but running it over him so that he was cut to bits, his blood soaking the place where the rath had been.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Oriel wrote:

It's like England knocking down the Windors Tower to build a Playpark for children.

i never heard of a Windors tower, they have a Windors Castle or a London Tower, so i take it you meant the castle.

i know a couple of boys from the north who would only be delighted to give them a hand...

Terry

It will be bad luck for people who believe it will be bad luck.
They will be driving along the road and get into a panic about the supposed bad luck and cause an accident.

adonis

its not a good idea as apparently this should be a unesco heritage site...this would never happen in another country where heritage is important

Winters

Put the road down asap.

The new motorway is further away from the Hill of Tara then the existing one. You cant put a shovel anywhere in that area without finding something of "importance". Build the fecking road.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

adonis wrote:

its not a good idea as apparently this should be a unesco heritage site...this would never happen in another country where heritage is important

ridiculous and stupid post
erm... hello
next door......remember stonehenge. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

and that only off the top of my head, looking at the unesco website their are hundreds more sites with modern developments on these protected sites.

not a very well thought post, this post seems to be helping those in favour of building the road.

aequinoctium

fianna fáil always come through...will probably be good luck


....or bad luck for the greens!

funky penguin

Winters wrote:

You cant put a shovel anywhere in that area without finding something of "importance".

A good reason why it shouldn't be built.

Shadowless

Zapp Brannigan wrote:

This should be in the Meath forum tbh.

Should be in the paranormal forum with all the other looney bin posts.
Build the feckin road.

Binomate

Oriel wrote:

They should be shot. It's our history.
It's like England knocking down the Windors Tower to build a Playpark for children.
Anyway, it'll never happen.

Only that this part of our history is a pile of muck.

adonis

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

ridiculous and stupid post
erm... hello
next door......remember stonehenge. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

and that only off the top of my head, looking at the unesco website their are hundreds more sites with modern developments on these protected sites.

not a very well thought post, this post seems to be helping those in favour of building the road.

Thats a nice verbal assault.. i dont think its a ridiculous suggestion or are the reasons ridiculous, that however is your choice..

i think the whole idea of a heritage site is to reduce new developments on the afformentioned site which would destroy or damage it.. which is exactly what this road would do ..thats my point.. capische?

plus i can only speak for ireland, spain, france and england from the unesco site and i cant see anyone driving a motorway through the centre of cordoba or through the palace of versailles, can you?

luckat

Of course, once the feckin road is built, it will soon be another traffic jam. It won't have any actual value. Its only value is in the anticipation - how wonderful life is going to be when we have this fabulous magical road to carry us from one place to another.

Yes, I agree that luck only affects you if you believe in it. But it's quite unusual not to believe in luck, especially if you're in any risk profession.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

randylonghorn wrote:

1. Tara does not need to be dug up for the M3
2. Tara is not an ecology issue, it's a heritage issue
3. Why are people who are anxious to preserve the country's heritage Nazis? Apart from any philosophical issues, heritage sites are a tourism resource and therefore an economic asset.

Back OT: I suspect that teflon has some magical properties which ward off the sidhe ... it certainly seems to have warded off everything else!

can i ask a few questions
1. How many people in the country will benefit from the new road? a lot. they will have less time commuting, and more time with their families
2. how many items have been found since they started building the road? would they ever have been found unless the road was built? i doubt it very much
3. how many tourists actualy go to Tara, seeing that newgrange is only a few miles away.

This road is going to be built, weather people like it or not, and most people do like it. I dont see why people are blaming FF for all this, the people that dont want the road are the minority. Dont we live in a democracy?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

adonis wrote:

this should be a unesco heritage site...this would never happen in another country where heritage is important

when challenged that this is going on in other countries around the world you state.

adonis wrote:

i can only speak for ireland, spain, france and england from the unesco site and i cant see anyone driving a motorway through the centre of cordoba or through the palace of versailles, can you?

ok so
you can only speak for Ireland, Spain, France and England, good then you might be able to explain what happened at Stonehenge which IS a UNESCO heritage site... identical issues with Tara only Stonehenge has two main roads (A344 and A303) in closer proximity that the proposed Tara road...

so that is why i said your comment was a ridiculous and stupid post. no thought or research done before you make wild and untrue assumption on UNESCO sites.

TequilaMockingBird

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

I never heard of a Windors tower, they have a Windors Castle or a London Tower, so i take it you meant the castle. /QUOTE]

1. Windsor Castle
2. Tower of London

kc66

Tara didn't bring much luck to the four hippies in Cloverhill at the minute!

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

kc66 wrote:

Tara didn't bring much luck to the four hippies in Cloverhill at the minute!

some hippy's my friend...... not with €100 million of coke.
they are far from hippies

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

i think this is their favourite song http://web.archive.org/web/20040113195240/spinaltap.streameasy.com/listentotheflowerpeople.mp3

luckat

I'm waiting for the first stories to start coming out about spooky work accidents/road accidents on the Tara road. By the way, where are the guys from who are building the road?

adonis

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

when challenged that this is going on in other countries around the world you state.

ok so
you can only speak for Ireland, Spain, France and England, good then you might be able to explain what happened at Stonehenge which IS a UNESCO heritage site... identical issues with Tara only Stonehenge has two main roads (A344 and A303) in closer proximity that the proposed Tara road...

so that is why i said your comment was a ridiculous and stupid post. no thought or research done before you make wild and untrue assumption on UNESCO sites.

my understanding was that hey had excavated things in the skryne valley which would have qualified it for unesco status, not the hill of tara itself..thats not what is in question my aggressive friend..
and maybe they dont care about heritage in england, should we model ourselves on them?? what about all the other places you neglected to challenge me on?
one exception normally proves a rule

marco murphy

1. How many people in the country will benefit from the new road? a lot. they will have less time commuting, and more time with their families

False. Not only will the Motorway arrive to the already congested roundabout at Blanchardstown, it will also be double tolled, a reality that is hardly mentioned.

2. how many items have been found since they started building the road? would they ever have been found unless the road was built? i doubt it very much

Really? Wow. But how does that justify the fact that they are going to be concreted over ?

3. how many tourists actualy go to Tara, seeing that newgrange is only a few miles away.

So you think people are campaigning to Save Tara so that a few tourists can benefit?
Taras history is Ireland's story, that is why it should be protected, that includes the Gabhra/Skyrne Valley.

This road is going to be built, weather people like it or not, and most people do like it. I dont see why people are blaming FF for all this, the people that dont want the road are the minority. Dont we live in a democracy?

Yes sir. And in a democracy people can oppose the decision also.
You cannot impose this ''The road will be built and thats that''
Wheres the democracy in that?

I would also like to point out that there is a perfect Railroad route to Dublin from Navan and further, why cannot it be upgraded and used?
www.meathontrack.org

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

adonis wrote:

this would never happen in another country where heritage is important

so i pointed that i didn't think this was untrue, and gave an example of how your post was untrue,
and then

adonis wrote:

i can only speak for ireland, spain, france and england from the unesco site and i cant see anyone driving a motorway through .....

so again i pointed out the example of two motorways around Stonehenge was in England
so then

adonis wrote:

and maybe they dont care about heritage in England, should we model ourselves on them

make up you mind....

although don't bother, I'm not engaging with you anymore...seems a waste of time.

testicle

The M3 is further from Tara than the current N3. Hippies will protest at anything.

The N18 Dualcarriageway didn't seem to harm Bunratty Castle either, and look how close that is!

There are no motorways next or near Stonehenge by the way, as stated in the above post. Unless they have upgraded two single carriageway A roads in the last 5 days.

darkman2

I think the name 'Love Tara' for this march on Saturday was a poor choice tbh......connotations with another group there. Anyway I hope the road is built ASAP and the eco nazis are put back in their place:p

adonis

is that right testicle? i didnt know about stonhenge so i couldnt really say... the angry guy just stuck on that point to discredit my whole argument..

so \m/_(>_<)_\m/ in your face! (if its true about there not being a road there)

adonis

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

so i pointed that i didn't think this was untrue, and gave an example of how your post was untrue,
and then

i can only speak for ireland, spain, france and england from the unesco site and i cant see anyone driving a motorway through .....

so again i pointed out the example of two motorways around Stonehenge was in England
so then

i think this is the point i am trying to make

can you see the difference now little boy